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good evening, thanks for joining us just past 9:00 p.m. here in new york just after 8:00 p.m. in iowa where hillary clinton has arrived by minivan on her 2016 campaign. to the surprise of no one, she officially entered the race yesterday. the announcement coming by video. >> i'm running for president. americans have fought their way back from tough economic times, but the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top. >> secretary clinton and company hit the road brianna keeler joins us now from cedar rapids the next couple days the next few weeks, what do they look for in a cathdy date? >> the next few days she'll be visiting a community college here in iowa. she's on the ground in iowa she'll be going to this community college and she'll be going as well to a fruit company on wednesday.
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these are expected to be small events. and while we knew she was getting into the race. it's this interesting visual i think, picturing hillary clinton in a van taking this two-day road trip to get here to iowa. we understand from one of her aids that she packed some healthy snacks almonds and cottage cheese. that's the visual you're getting, which is unusual for the start of a candidacy, this is all good a listening tour about and i think really trying her trying to get at the heart of her message. it's not about hillary clinton this campaign it's about the people she's fighting for. that's what she's trying to convey as she goes road tripping. >> yeah. i feel like i've heard that slogan an awful lot. it's not about me it's about you. these smaller face to face meetings with voters. she did a lot when she ran for senate in 2000.
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>> yes, she did. and the other thing we're hearing is every day americans. this is very much what she did in 2000 she's was coming out of the white house she was sort of feeling entitled because she had this name and notoriety, and so she went into new york state running for senate trying to kind of brush that back. she went well into upstate new york a lot, she got really familiar with local issues and ultimately it paid off. she earned the respect of voters doing that. she's taking a successful page out of her playbook from 2000. >> we talked about this in the last hour. hillary clinton got some criticism. she stopped in the twin state of ohio today, right? >> she had a stopover in the swing state of ohio this was south of toledo, she stopped at
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chipotle chipotle. these are the colorful deals we're getting, chicken burrito bowl black beans and gawkuacamole. these are the moments they're letting pop up sort of organically on twitter to create this sense of her down to earth launch of her campaign. >> brianna keeler not a helicopter this time a van in iowa. whatever the contrast turns out to be, one thing remains the same she's always been seen as a lightning rod. >> she was controversial from the start. >> i'm not sitting here as some little woman standing by my man like tammy wynette. >> she burst on to the political scene almost a quarter century ago. she was a new kind of political spouse and she didn't mince words. >> i suppose i could have stayed home and bake cookies and made
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tea. but i decided to -- >> with the white house came unyielding scrutiny everything from her appearance to her business dealings to her polarizing rolling in the west wing. >> i'm sure you will do that. >> we'll do the best we can. >> you and dr. kaevorkiankevorkian. >> the reports on your charm are overstated and the reports on your wit are understated. >> thank you. >> after eight years at the center of power, nothing fascinated the american public as much as hillary clinton's marriage. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss lewinsky. >> this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspireing against my husband since the day he announced for president. >> humiliation then history, as her husband's presidency came to an end, she won a senate seat
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from new york. re-elected six years later, she turned her sights to what many political observers believed she long wanted to return to the white house as the nation's first woman president. >> the air of ineveritt eeblt didn't factor in a primary challenge by a freshman senator from illinois named barack obama. >> what you just repeated here today is patent -- wait hillary, you just spoke for two minutes. >> i did not say anything about ronald reagan. >> hillary clinton's future unclear. >> although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it. >> the bitter rivals would become an unlikely team with clinton as president obama's choice as his secretary of state. logging nearly 1 million miles of high profile travel in a tenure that was largely without controversy, until one night in
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september of 2012. >> people have been kimmed in a brutal -- i can even call it a massacre at the u.s. consulate in benghazi. >> i would have relieved you of your post. i think it's inexcusable. >> and hillary clinton was on the defensive. >> we have four dead americans, was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night decided they would go kill some americans. what difference at this point does it make? >> she signaled a private citizen for the first time in decades. a multimillion dollar book deal followed hundreds of thousands of dollars per speech. and questions about whether life in a 23-year bubble had left hillary clinton out of touch. >> the last time i actually drove a car myself was 1996 and i remember it very well. unfortunately, so does the secret service, which is why i haven't driven since they were. >> then in march, a new controversy, the revelation of a private e-mail server houses at the clinton's new york mansion
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that hillary clinton used to conduct official government business while secretary of state. >> looking back it would have been better if i used a second e-mail account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn't seem like an issue. >> the democratic establishment sees her once again as inevitable. >> a lot to talk to the panel about. >> david gergen joins us malika henderson. >> you hear about hillary clinton being reintroduced again and the campaign going, we're in a van, she's eating almonds and stopped off at a chipotle. it's an attempt to show she's a real person she's just like everybody else. is that a message she can really pull off? >> i think it's smart for her,
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anderson she has to show more warmth to try to connect more with average americans, she needs to come out of the bubble she's been living in with a lot of powerful people. i think the idea behind it is a very good one. how they're executing it i think -- a lot of questions can legitimately be raised to have a -- the announcement yesterday be basically content free. a stinging piece in the washington post today, and then she's taking this road trip to iowa and she goes in to chipotle we thought that's what this was all about, she wears sunglasses she's not recognized she's basically in disguise. >> they pulled the security camera footage to see that she was actually there. >> so it's bizarre to me but -- i assume they'll get their rhythm and have more content. the first couple days have been so unorthodoxed. what are they doing? >> on "saturday night live" they
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lampooned her, it gets to a public perception of her, and i want to play some of it. >> okay now, hold up your phone, and you can just look natural. >> okay. >> okay. >> and maybe you want to soften a little. okay a little more. maybe a lot more. great. great. and action. >> citizens you will elect me. i will be your leader. >> i mean again, it's "saturday night live." but it gets to a certain perception. >> that's right, and we have seen how damaging in some ways "saturday night live" can be in terms of putting these charicatures out there. if i was hillary clinton i would try to book an appearance on "saturday night live" as soon as i could. they really are getting at the worst ideas of hillary clinton,
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that she's overly ambitious, she's robotic and programmed and calculating, that her marriage to bill clinton is messy. it reminds us of all of the drama from the years -- the clinton years, having this in pop culture in this way on saturday night, kate mckinnon is so great, she can play hillary clinton and justin bieber all the same. >> and justin bieber hates her imitation from what i understand. >> how has hillary clinton convinced people she understands them is like them. most people haven't been first lady or secretary of state. she has been living in a rarefied atmosphere. >> i think we're walking up to the line here of this notion of how authentic this really is. you have hillary clinton in sunglasses at chipotle you have her in a van, she doesn't drive, secret service won't let her drive. you have the staff having
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background calls today. i was on one about the iowa trip saying things like she's excited, energized and anxious. okay. to begin her campaign and then you're not really seeing her. you're not seeing her in the settings with voters in which she is very good. this was all about avoiding the big campaign announcement and appearance because nobody needs to be introduced to hillary clinton any more. this is about her talking one on one to voters. and we really. we're not seeing a lot of that yet, i'm presuming we're going to see some more in the next few weeks. i sense another "saturday night live" exit will be in the works. >> if she had competition in a primary battle it would help her, hone her, make her a better tougher karndy date in a lot of ways. the flip side of that argument is mitt romney came out of a tough primary battle pretty bruised. >> it would be good if she had
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at least -- a token to be sure she's still going to win. i think she does there's no tension in this story. i don't know how she maintains momentum over a period a long period of time ahead. we're still some ten months away from the iowa caucuses how does she? what is there for us to cover, to talk about when there's no tension with the story. she may do an international trip. i think that's a real challenge for her. and trying to keep this fresh. it's 574 days from the election. >> oh, my lord. please. really? >> you know when she wrote her book and it came out. there was huge publicity for it hoopla for it after a week sales dropped, and people got tired of -- they got what they call clinton fatigue. >> that is the danger here. with this campaign roll out, it's almost like they do in glamour magazine stars that are just like us, look at her, she's at chipotle how long can you
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cover that right? in this vacuum you're going to have the press chewing over this stuff and doing what we're doing now. >> if there's one more night where we hear she's eating almonds. >> exactly. >> you know what's going to help her? here's what's going to help her. republicans attacking her every sith el day. because just marco rubio, as you reported earlier, announced today, and he attacked hillary clinton as being yesterday. nothing so unites the democratic party as these attacks against hillary, because they don't want to start attacking each other too much you don't want to see a food fight between marco rubio and jeb bush you know mentor to his student there. they're all going to be attacking her, she has to respond. that will unite the democratic party even more that's how she keeps it alive. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> as always there's some almonds backstage.
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make sure you set your dvrs so you can watch us whenever you want. a new republican enters the race how marco rubio hopes to set himself apart from a growing gop primary field when we continue. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big running this clean will be much better for the environment. we're proud to be a part of that.
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marco rubio ended the speculation today entering a public field that is growing quickly. jeb bush widely expected to be in shortly. the freshman senator from florida making the announcement this evening in miami. >> we americans are proud of our history. but our country has always been about the future. and before us now is the opportunity to author the greatest chapter yet in the amazing story of america. but we can't do that by going back to the leaders and ideas of the past. we must change the decisions we are making by changing the people who are making them. >> senator rubio this evening, distancing himself from politicians of the past without
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quite mentioning jeb bush or hillary clinton. dana bash was there for the event. she joins us now. rubio talked about where he came from a lot, and how that changed who he is. >> he did. and one of the things he didn't talk about was the fact that one of the people who shaped who he is politically is a man he is now going to be running against for the republican nomination jeb bush. one of the most striking lines was when he said that some people are telling him to wait his turn he won't. many people who are saying wait your turn are mutual friends of jeb bush and marco rubio. marco rubio should keep in mind that jeb bush helped him with his political career. >> it's an iconic moment capturing the bond between marco rubio and jeb bush. it was 2005 bush then florida's outgoing governor passing the baton of sorts to rubio. bestowing the incoming state house speaker with a sword he
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had specially made for him. >> jiang is someone who believes in conservative principles entrepreneurial capitalism. >> ever since he donated money to his first campaign they have been close. rubio's private political guide. and when they appear together in public it was a love fest. >> you look up the word leadership there's a picture of him in the dictionary. >> bush's get emotional, i'm going to try my hardest. my wife has told me don't cry, don't cry. but marco rubio makes me cry for joy. >> al cardniss is close to both men, he gave rubio his first job as a law clerk. >> you've had an up close and personal view of the relationship is that accurate? >> very accurate. >> he would be thrilled for a bright cuban american like rubio
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to be president, but not now. he supports bush. >> i don't think it makes as much sense. >> are you surprised that marco rubio is -- >> surprised and like many mutual friends backing bush torn and frustrated. sources close to 43-year-old rubio tell cnn. he's been preparing to run for some time. he didn't think 62-year-old bush would get in. rubio has made a political clear out of seizing a moment not waiting for what others call his turn. becoming speaker of the florida state house at age 34. >> everything that has gone wrong in her life will go right for that child. >> bucking party leaders to mount a tea party challenge for the senate which succeeded. now rubio and bush will be going after many similar gop voters especially hispanics. both speak fluent spanish. and both understand the latino culture, even against democrats
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they both faired well among hispanic voters. bush won 60% of florida's latino vote when he ran for governor in 1998 in 2010 rubio won 55% of latinos in a three-way race. doing well with hispanics would signal strength with democrats, who would crush with latino voters. a treasure trove of candidates for any gop candidate, it would be like a two-man race between the former governor and his former protege. >> it really would be a battle royal between the two. >> absolutely. the way the primary schedule is set, florida isn't going to happen until about two months into the primary season and so it's going to be maybe the end of the road for one of them. if one of them can't prove they can't win in the state, it's probably lights out for their campaign. the other thing to remember is
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that when it comes to the republican nomination florida is important, because it's winner take all, and last time around there were 100 delegates, that is a lot when you're looks at racking up the numbers. >> dana bash thanks very much. another law enforcement officer charged in the shooting of another suspect. once again, it was caught on video. what makes this case really stand out, the shooter was a volunteer deputy who was a major donor to the local sheriff's department. superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security.
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felony charges tonight in another deadly shooting involving an officer and an african-american suspects. it happened by the tulsa, oklahoma sheriff's department earlier this month. >> stop right there. >> i need you to roll on your stomach, now. now, now. >> ouch! >> he shot me. >> don't fight him. >> he shot him. >> he shot him. >> he shot me.
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>> >>. >> oh, god. oh, he shot me. he shot me, man. oh, my god. >> you hear me? >> i'm losing my breath. >> the voice you hearsaying he shot the suspect is that of a man named robert bates. a 73-year-old insurance executive who's now charged with second degree manslaughter. if you're wondering what a 73-year-old insurance executive was doing with a badge, a taser and a suspect dying at his feet? you're not the only one. how he came to be in the position to use deadly force is drawing attention from across the country. more now from ed lavandera. >> i got you. >> reporter: eric harris is caught on tape allegedly selling an illegal handgun. >> sweet, that's a nice gun. he's about to find out this is an undercover sting and
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sheriff's deputies are racing to arrest him. harris takes off running. >> stop right here stop right here stop stop stop stop stop. stop right there. and deputies chase and tackle him to the ground. >> roll on your stomach. now. now. >> i'm sorry. >> oh, my god. oh he shot me. he shot me. you hear me? >> oh, god. oh he shot me. he shot me, man. oh, my god. >> you hear me? >> i'm losing my breath. >> eric harris would later die at the hospital. harris' brother says deputies went too far. >> there shouldn't have been a taser used.
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there shouldn't have been no type of force used. other than putting his hand behind my handcuffed. >> all my brother heard as he went to be with the lord is f your breath. cnn obtained the statement bates gave to investigators after the shooting. bates writes as harris resisted there was a small window to deploy his taser, i remember thinking, i have to deploy it rapidly. bates says he meant to use his taser and he was startled and left in a state of shock and disbelief once he realized he used his gun instead. bates isn't a full fledged sheriff's deputy a certified peace officer who volunteers in the department's reserve deputy program. bates is the ceo of an insurance company and has been a long time benefactor of the sheriff's department he's donated cars
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and video equipment. bates has played big money to play a cop in his spare time. >> it's mind-boggling you have a wealthy businessman who's been essentially due tiesed to go play like he's some outlaw. like he's just cleaning up the streets. >> sheriff's officials say bates has undergone extensive training. and bates says in that statement, that he's assisted the violent crimes task force at least 100 other times. >> no matter how you cut it up deputy bates met all the criteria to be in the role he was in. >> could bates have confused his two weapons? >> eric harris' family attorney so he had us what they look like a bright yellow taser and a small 357 revolver. he questions how bates could have mistaken the gun for the bright yellow taser strapped to
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his chest. >> we also asked bates attorney this very question. he said bates experiences a phenomenon called slip and capture. >> which means your intended behavior slips off track and is captured by another behavior that might be more well rehearsed or motorized inturnly than your initial intention. so what ends up happening is you do the opposite of what you intended. >> ed lavandera joins us now from tulsa. we had a professor on in the last hour. criminal justice professor said there's no peer reviewed studies studies, it's junk science, you've been in touch with bates' attorney after his client was charged with second degree manslaughter what's the latest on that what's he saying? >> this idea of slip and capture is not only robert bates' attorney saying it but robert bates in the sheriff's get here in tulsa, this is an excusic
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homicide given that he was acting within his rights as a reserve deputy. the attorney says it's an accident of misfortune and he should not have been charged. robert bates has the support of the superiors in the leadership at the sheriff's department here in actual sarks anderson. >> who we should point out he's friends with. the chief of police there, and has donated a lot of money over the years to this department. the tape of the incident ends shortly after you hear one officer saying f your breath using an expletive to the guy who was just shot. do we know what happens after the tape stops? >> we do know that he was on the ground for several more minutes waiting for ambulances and paramedics to arrive on the scene. shortly after that that video cuts off. we asked about that and they say that the battery in the camera captured the takedown of eric harris we're told by
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sheriff's officials here that the battery they believe ran out and that's why the recording stopped. >> all right. ed thanks very much. we'll see. just ahead, a 10-year-old and a 6-year-old walk home from the park by themselves and they end up in police custody, their parents are now under investigation. we'll talk about the controversy over what's become known as free range parenting. ty good shape. >>pretty good? i know i have a 798 fico score thanks to the tools and help on experian.com. kaboom... well, i just have a few other questions. >>chuck, the only other question you need to ask is, "what else can you do for me?" i'll just take a water... get your credit swagger on. become a member of experian credit tracker and find out your fico score powered by experian. fico scores are used in 90% of credit decisions. t-mobile is breaking the rules of wireless. and the samsung galaxy s6 edge is breaking the rules of design.
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a story that's sparking heated debate over something that's remarkable. kids playing outside in their neighborhoods without a parent in sight and walking home by themselves. decades ago that was the norm. in 2015 it can lead to charges of neglect and losing custody of your children. a family in maryland was in the thick of a nightmare. >> she has her children back today after they were held for hours last night by child protective services for the second time in recent months. >> cps has succeeded in terrifying me thinking they're going to take my children away. >> reporter: they were playing in a park two and a half blocks away from where they live. a concerned resident called the police. >> they put the kids in the police car and kept them there
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for two 1/2 hours. >> reporter: police took the kids to child protective services which was already investigating the family over a similar incident in december. at the time they explained she and her husband were raising free range kids. >> that means we're giving the children the childhood we had, the idea that kids can be trusted to go down the block, to play in the park to walk home from school. >> reporter: last month, cps found them guilty of unsubstantiated of child neglect. the couple was in the aprocess of appealing the decision when their children were picked up again. >> it's negtsful children that age shouldn't be left wandering around. >> giving kids more freedom doesn't mean there are no limits. >> if they're old enough to walk next door to the neighbor's house, they're 10 11 12 that's fine. but they shouldn't be wandering around in a park by themselves unsupervised until they're much
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older. >> these children getting caught in the middle of a national debate over the boundaries between free range parenting and neglect. >> i don't think it's wrong, per se. >> free range raising, no i don't believe that. >> the scariest thing about letting her children walk alone may be the government agency hovering nearby. >> i never was scared of strangers, and the people who say it's dangerous and the world is different have been watching too much tv. >> cnn, silver spring maryland. >> child protective services released a statement saying protecting children is the agency's number one priority. we're required to follow up on all calls to child protective services be assured the department will review the situation. the silver spring police department have also put out a press release saying the officer responded to the call, saw a homeless man eyeing the children when he arrived on the scene.
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i want to talk about it now with our legal analyst sunny hostin. kelly wallace and both parents as well. what do you make of this. you've covered this story extensively. >> i have. and i think the general reaction is are we going too far here? >> why not try to reach the parents, why not call the parents, instead of having child protective services investigating the parents. there have been other stories we've reported on where parents have been arrested for letting their nine or seven-year-old walk alone to the park. are we going too far here? >> it also i assume this parent sort of walked this root with the kids at some point, it was a couple blocks from their home it wasn't necessarily that she opened the door and tossed them out and said come back in a few hours. >> this is anev lucien over time they've wanted to give their children more and more responsibility. more awe taken my the kids are craving it they're reacting to a society.
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and i'm a parent. we're not letting our kids do anything. when we were kids we were doing things on our own. >> i was riding a city bus at that age. >> they were letting their kids do this more and more. the kids would do this amount time walk from this park and not have a problem. >> bad things happen to kids look at etan patz. his mother was watching him walk to the bus stop he turned a corner and he's never been seen again. a homeless guy eyeing the kids that adds another dimension to it. >> kelly and i are good friends and we've had this doe bait before the bottom line is when you're someone like me who has had experience dealing with child abductions prosecuting child sex crimes, you can never be too careful and too safe. what do child pedophiles and abductors look for? they look for children that aren't being parented or
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supervised our job as parents is to provide that kind of struck fewer, that kind of supervision. i'm very very tired of hearing parents saying but we used to do it. guess what there are a lot of things that we used to do when we were children that we cannot do now. let's take for example the fact that we weren't in car seats when we were children. but we know better now. and so we do better our children do travel with seat belts. let's talk about aetan patz who was abducted two blocks from his home in 1979. these types of abductions have been going on for a very long time. and to suggest that a 10-year-old and a 6-year-old are old enough to walk not only just two blocks which was this time they were a mile away from their home unsupervised. that is 20 new york city blocks. that is child neglect. >> kelly, kids used to ride their bikes around neighborhoods. >> yeah, i mean, and sunny, you
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know, good friends, i do disagree here if you look overall at the crime stats. believe it or not it's down it's actually safer now for us than it was before. i think the issue is maybe that we don't quite have the communities that we used to when we have -- i know when i was a kid, i walked 10 blocks away i had neighbors who were watching me. not everyone knows their neighbors, it's not that same kind of thing. >> you grew up in mayberry? >> new york believe it or not. >> i have to disagree with you in terms of the crime stats. let's talk about the stats of missing children you can find on the missing children's website. the national center for missing and exploited children. exploiting children. 2014 466,946 entries for missing children in the fbi database. to suggest somehow that our kids are safer today than they were then that is just not true. >> are those numbers -- >> are those -- >> leaving them alone.
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>> are those numbers higher and were they actually recorded in the past in the way that they're being recorded now? >> i don't know that the numbers were higher. we -- maybe perhaps we don't have that information, i think we need to look at the information we have which is in 2014 you have over 400,000 entries made for missing children these parents are saying they're concerned because the police got their children and traumatized them how about if a child abductor or molester grabbed their children. that would be pretty traumatizing wouldn't it? >> maryland does have a law on the books that kids below a certain age have to be accompanied. that has to do with being in a home or a car. it doesn't necessarily apply to a park. >> it's pure child neglect. >> that's your opinion. >> we need to continue that discussion again. >> sunny hostin kelly wallace, thank you. just ahead, screams heard from the cargo bay of an airliner an emergency landing, you hear what the pilot told air traffic controller what the
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problem was.
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pretty unbelievable reason for an emergency landing in seattle. a baggage handler was stuck inside the cargo hold of an alaska airlines plane. the flight was in the air for about 14 minutes. the pilot heard banging from underneath the plane. here's the audio from the moment the pilot realized something was going on. >> we don't have to dump fuel or anything like that. i think we have we're hearing a noise from the baggage komt partment. >> might be a person in there, so we're going to have to come
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back around. >> the investigation is ongoing about how this could have happened compared to getting stuck in the cargo hold, maybe getting bumped or delayed doesn't seem so bad. but passengers are not singing the praises of the airlines. the baggage handler said he fell asleep in the cargo hold. new numbers are out ranking everything from lost luggage to on-time performance. renee march reports. >> reporter: this morning, a united airlines flight skidded off the runway in houston, getting stuck in the mud. >> i've had a lot of hard landings. this one i would describe as captain kangaroo. >> in march, a delta plane nearly crashing into an icy bay in new york. from rough landings to unruly passengers. it's not always friendly skies for flyers. according to a new study, passenger complaints soared 22% in 2014. >> consumers have a perception that flying is not pleasant.
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it's not fun. and it maybe costs a little more than it should. the airlines aren't doing a darn thing to change that. >> reporter: researchers say the airline industry's performance sdlind in mishandled luggage, customer complaints and on-time performance. but there were standouts. virgin american hawaii airlines delta and jetblue ranged the best. when it came to baggage handling virgin america in the top spot again. envoy, american eagle the worst because of lost or delayed luggage. >> they get about $3.5 billion a year from baggage fees in this country, and they only cut the rate by half of mishandled bags. is that enough, or should it be zero? >> reporter: now, frustrated flyers have hard data to back up some of their gripes with airlines. >> rene marsh, cnn, washington. >> coming up next i'm going to make you smilead the end of the
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? >> tonight a tale of remarkable talent at the albuquerque zoo. a goat is taking the art world by storm creating original -- i don't know if masterpieces is the right word but masterpieces or paintings with only a brush his teeth and a wild artistic vision that simply cannot be
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deterred not by the lack of hands and not by the pressure of being washed by an audience as he creates. >> i painting goat. it was unbelievable. i couldn't believe that the goat was sitting there painting and it was good. it was pretty. >> to see a goat hold a paintbrush in his mouth and paint and he has some accuracy with it and some talent that's unique. >> okay. begs the question how much would a goat paintings actually be worth? >> it depends on the size and the subject. if he was painting one of the sheep, maybe a couple thousand. >> say what now? a couple thousand for a goat painting? spoil alert, he's not going to paint the sheep. bodey's work tends to be much more abstract like the art work of other creatures at the zoo. here's a painting by rats. i like their use of color, although i'm guessing they didn't choose the palette themselves. here's one by hissing cockroaches. hmm, raw talent is palpable
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isn't it? but if you want exquisite minimalism here's a maggot painting, something i never thought i'd see or say for that matter. they clearly have a real sense of restraint, something a goat could only aspire to. if you want a painting by a goat half the battle is keeping him from eating his own art work. it's no surprise by now, we've learned over the years that goats can be should i say mercurial? remember the one in utah that knocked a paper boy off his bike and chased him up a tree. >> it was dark and i saw this like figure i looked over and i'm like what the heck is that. and then it made a weird noise, kind of like a grunting noise. [ laughter ] >> now, if you remember and i certainly cannot forget, that crazy-eyed tongue-wagging goat trapped that paper boy up a tree for about an hour.
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and the goats who interfered with our favorite florida reporter who was just trying to do her job. >> the goats will be here through saturday and they're very friendly. linda carson abc 7, would you not eat my pants? [ screaming ] [ laughter ] >> it's like the old saying give a goat a paintbrush but always watch your back. we'll see you 11:00 p.m. eastern. cnn tonight starts now. all right, anderson thanks so much. great to be on tonight. this is cnn tonight. i'm brooke baldwin sitting in for don lemon. caught on camera again in tulsa. a reserve sheriff's deputy charged with second-degree manslaughter after he mistakes his gun for a taser and shoots a suspect to death. >> oh my god, i'm sorry. >> in north charleston