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michaela pereira. >> alisyn and michaela are off. they told me not to take it personally. we do have breaking news for you this morning. a major report claiming tulsa county sheriff's supervisors were ordered to falsify the training records of robert bates or else. he is the 73-year-old reserve deputy who accidentally shot an unarmed man, he says when he confused his gun for a taser. now, we've been told the whole time he was trained. now that is not as clear. >> cnn has also just obtained copies of the bates training record. they still don't give a full picture at all of his qualifications or lack of qualification. those records now being called into question. this as the tulsa sheriff's office is planning to audit the reserve program that allowed bates on the streets with a gun. let's begin our coverage with cnn's ryan young with the breaking details. good morning, ryan. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. a new report calls into question whether robert bates should have
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even have been carrying a gun. the newspaper, tulsa world, is reporting that some supervisors at the tulsa county sheriff's office were ordered to falsify the training records for robert bates. tulsa world reports that at least three of bates supervisors were assigned -- reassigned after refusing to sign the training documents. the report does not say who asked the supervisors to allegedly falsify the records. the paper says the false records give bates credit for field training he never completed and firearm certifications he should have not gotten. the training documented obtained by cnn omit the names of the supervisors who signed off on them. records show in the last seven years bates has taken a variety of courses. everything from weapons training including glock, taser and rock river training as well as less than lethal delivery system training sessions. the sheriff's office denies the allegations. and the newspaper's report. they also decline cnn's
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interview request to respond to the claims. local media's reporting that the tulsa sheriff's office plans a major audit of its reserve deputy program which robert bates was a part of, chris. >> ryan changing the program is one thing. whether or not that program was legit with mr. bates very different in light of this new reporting. thank you for setting the groundwork for us there. let's bring in the reporters who are offering this story. dylan goforth and zeva they are of tulsa world. thanks for both of you being here. let's set the table. when this happened with bates, the police department came out, the sheriff's department the authorities, they gave us the training documents. they gave us a memo saying he was trained. his lawyer then came on the show and echoed that sentiment about how don't see him as a 73-year-old business owner, he was just like any other deputy. listen to what he said. >> he's got the training. every news outlet has checked with the certifying agency in the state of oklahoma.
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everyone has been told he is a certified reserve deputy in the state of oklahoma and has all the requisite powers that come with that. he's done the training. he's proven himself on the firing range. >> dylan, what do you make of that statement in light of your reporting? >> well from what i understand from talking to c.l.e.a.t. they received the records from the sheriff's office and keep them. they don't necessarily go and do it themselves. so them having the records i don't think necessarily proves they were not falsified. >> zeva have you ever heard of the instructor's names being redacted on documents like this? >> no i don't see any purpose for that. you would think the sheriff's office if in fact there has been no pressure applied, no falsification of records that they would be forthcoming with these documents. we certainly hope they are. we've asked for them. they said they don't believe they're public records. there are hundreds of hours that may have been falsified, at least three supervisors that our
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sources said were transferred, were disciplined because they refused to sign off on training that bates never received includeing weapons training. >> let's unpack this a bit. you're saying your sources tell you basically two big headlines. the first is he didn't get the training they say he got. the second one is and when the training instructors were approached to help falsify his training some refused and they were acted upon they were removed. do i have it right, dylan? >> yes. they were pretty much immediately that's what we're being told. >> we heard it from numerous sources who didn't know each other the same details over and over. we now have records to corroborate this. >> all right. so two other big -- let's talk about those records. what do you believe you have that proves it other than your interviews and reporting? >> there are some records we can discuss and some we can't. but bates in his statement which we obtained yesterday said that he had become an advanced deputy
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in 2007 which requires hundreds of hours of training. that's a different timeline than the sheriff's office given. and the sheriff himself said they lost some of his handgun certification records and trying to figure out if he's even certified. it's been two days ago and we haven't heard an answer to that. those definitely kind of line up with what we're being told. >> let's hear from the sheriff's department. here's what they had to say. >> -- for failure to sign off on his training? >> not to my knowledge, no. >> so there's never been any concern about his training? >> not that i'm aware of no. he has been trained. >> no he has 300 hours or almost 300 hours of c.l.e.a.t. accredited training and state statute requires 25 hours of continuing education per year. so he is well in excess of what you would anticipate someone would have that was meeting minimum requirements.
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>> but no one has ever expressed concerns about his ability or training in the sheriff's office? >> never to me. in fact just the opposite. >> so ziva is this a question of whether or not he has as many hours as they claim, or whether he has enough hours? i mean how would you parse it? >> well i mean i think if we had the records we would be able to know for sure. what we heard there are two separate issues the field training hours are when they have experience in the field with officers who then will sign off on that. what we were told is that the supervisors were told to sign off on 250 hours of training. most of that he did not have -- virtually all of that he did not have. and then the supervisors at the gun range were told to sign off on his handgun qualification even though he did not qualify. you have to have a 72 i think on the third try to be qualified. and he wasn't qualified as well. >> so the big question becomes why, dylan. when i'm looking at some of the
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documents we have here the dates all seem to be like 2009ish, 2008. do you believe that whatever pressure was applied that this was done then at the time mr. bates was trying to be certified so he could go on these different police actions as opposed to now as a cover-up? >> well we don't know officially yet. they have to re-train every year. it could have been at any point during that when this was going on. and we don't know because we haven't seen any of the records that we've asked for. >> when -- >> one thing to note -- >> the trainers -- >> ziva i want you to make that point but here's the question that tees it up. the trainers who said we got pressured and they moved us was that recently or was that back when he was originally trying to get on as a deputy? >> it was back when he was trying to get on as a deputy. he'd already been accepted in the program. then there was the falsification of the field training records initially. then the handgun qualification records after that is what we understand. so it was, you know, back
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several years ago. and then ever since then he was named reserve deputy of the year in 2011. ever since then he's been going on he said 100 or so undercover operations. >> do you know why he was reserve deputy of the year? did he do anything in the field? any kind of exemplary service or something like that? >> he may have. we don't have any records of that. we do know that during that time and a year or two before that and at that time he'd given the undercover unit five automobiles, donated those automobiles to the unit as well as surveillance equipment. >> so in terms of motivation here dylan, your sources on this point, are they telling you that this was about trying to get the sheriff's pal certified to do what he wanted? i mean what do they think was going on here? >> i mean that's been the allegation since they brought us his name originally. was that this was just someone who, you know the sheriff called him a long-time friend he'd taken on fishing trips. someone the sheriff liked and that they wanted him to be able
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to do what he wanted to do. >> one of the last questions here though this is going to spur a lot more questions. thank you for bringing the report to us this morning. one of the training exercises they did was called the okc incident-obama sign. do you know what that was, ziva? >> i don't have details but i'm pretty sure it was some kind of free speech protest situation where someone got angry about a sign and there was some kind of standoff at a public protest. i thought some of the names of those training incidents were interesting. there's lots of talk about takedowns of suspects and subduing suspects. so it was kind of interesting to look at the names of the training courses that he did or didn't take i don't know. >> all right. it's going to be very interesting to see what the pushback is that you get now in light of your sourcing coming out and the information you have. we look forward to continuing this conversation because it's not just about what happened on that day.
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it's about why mr. bates was there in the first place and whether he shouldn't have been. thank you very much dylan and ziva. good luck going forward. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> now, in the interest of completeness not only were we reviewing what the sheriff's office said at the presser yesterday, but we asked them to come on this morning. they declined. they did however say that tulsa world report is "unsubstantiated and deceptive." poppy. aaron hernandez waking up to a very new reality this morning, that he will spend the rest of his life behind bars. the former nfl star showed little emotion. but there was plenty of drama in the court as the jury convicted him of first-degree murder. and a judge sentenced him to life in prison without parole. jurors are now speaking out about the verdict. our susan candiotti has been following this and joins us from massachusetts with the details. >> reporter: hi poppy. aaron hernandez is waking up this morning in a prison that is not that far from the place
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where he was once a rich rising star in the nfl, gillette stadium, home of the new england patriots. and while he was heading to that prison a source tells me he was acting as though it was business as usual. they got it wrong. aaron hernandez's words during a transfer to a state prison wednesday. that prison close to the stadium where he once played as a new england patriot. a law enforcement source saying hernandez telling his jailers "i didn't do it." hours after being sentenced to life without parole. >> guilty of murder in the first degree. >> reporter: hernandez grim faced as he heard the verdict with his mother and fiancee in tears and just feet away from the family of victim odin lloyd, no less emotional. hernandez pursing his lips and appearing to mouth the words you're wrong. and then telling his family be
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strong and i'm okay watching them weep. a jury finding hernandez guilty of the 2013 execution-style murder of odin lloyd shot six times central to the case surveillance videos that show the victim on the night of his death getting into a rented altima with hernandez and two other men. other video showing the same car at the industrial park where lloyd's body was found. and minutes later that car back in hernandez's driveway. hernandez's own surveillance cameras capture him holding what prosecutors say is the murder weapon that .45 caliber glock was never found. surprising to the jury the defense team during closing arguments admitting hernandez was at the crime scene, saw lloyd killed but did not shoot him. after sentencing jurors tell reporters they found from the judge that hernandez now faces trial for double murder in
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boston. >> that we did the right thing. >> absolutely. >> reporter: after the verdict lloyd's mother addressed her son's killer. >> i forgive the hands of the people that had a hand in my son's murder. and i pray and hope that some day everyone out there will forgive them also. >> reporter: and after leaving the courthouse family and friends of victim odin lloyd went to his grave site releasing balloons in his memory. john. >> susan candiotti. such nice memories of odin lloyd yesterday. thanks so much susan. new this morning in iraq intense fighting in ramadi with isis apparently on the brink of taking that city. in a cnn exclusive cnn senior international correspondent arwa damon joins us from baghdad with the latest. good morning, arwa. >> reporter: those civilians
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were fleeing yesterday morning because isis had begun its onslaught. remember they controlled the north, the south and much of the west. the vast majority of those we spoke to seem to be completely shell shocked. they were arriving at a bridge that connects umbar province forced to cross on foot because iraqi officials do not allow vehicles across piling into these metal carts. the situation since then much more dire according to the deputy provincial council had located inside ramadi. he said isis overnight advancing on all fronts towards the city center now trying to launch multiple attacks against the government complex. saying for now that iraqi security forces were able to repel them from that complex. very strategic territory within the city. but they will not be able to do so for long. they are quite simply outmanned and outgunned. they have been for weeks now
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asking for backup from the iraqi government. the iraqi government says it sent reinforcements. those reinforcements have yet to appear. they've also been begging for air strikes from the iraqi air force and from the u.s.-led coalition. and those have not been happening in any sort of significant or decisive manner. the city right now very well could fall to isis. and if that happens, chris, it would be absolutely devastating to the iraqi government and to the civilian population. >> arwa you've been reporting from the beginning that coordination is still very difficult on the ground. thank you very much. we'll stick with you on this. in other news two active members of the army national guard are due in federal court today after allegedly trying to sell guns ammunition and body armor to mexican drug cartels. it's alleged they made more than a dozen sales to informants working for the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. officials say they were so brazen they wore their army uniforms while conducting some of the transactions.
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also potential hurdle for hillary clinton's presidential campaign despite mounting criticism, a lot of news headlines, the board of the clinton foundation has agreed to limit but not eliminate donations from foreign governments. the foundation will continue to accept donations from australia, canada and four european countries. critics have expressed concerns that these donations could compromise clinton's presidential bid. earlier this week she resigned from the board of the foundation due to the run for the white house. new details this morning about the florida man who prompted chaos in washington after landing a gyrocopter on the lawn by the capitol building. doug hughes says he did this to protest political corruption. turns out this isn't the first time he's been on the radar for the secret service. let's get to rene marsh for the latest. >> reporter: good morning, john. here at the capitol and the area around the white house it is the most hypersensitive portion of
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air space, yet this man's actions highlighted the vulnerabilities of what's supposed to be the most secure no-fly zone. >> this is not good people. >> reporter: apparently undetected and unauthorized. this small aircraft sailing through the most heavily guarded air space in america. >> within about 45 seconds of his initial landing there were multiple police cars on the scene. >> reporter: the florida mailman, 61-year-old doug hughes swarmed by police and a bomb squad after landing on the west lawn of the capitol building. the bizarre incident throwing the u.s. capitol into chaos, shutting the area down for hours. >> i had carefully planned it so that nobody would get hurt. >> reporter: in this video published by the tampa bay times, hughes says flying the gyrocopter into the no-fly zone was all in protest.
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and he'd been planning it for years. strapped to the landing gear 535 letters, one for every member of the congress opposing corporate money in politics. >> there are these problems and these problems and these problems that are much more important than campaign finance reform. but those won't get addressed until we fix campaign finance reform. >> reporter: ben montgomery a reporter from the tampa bay times, says they alerted the secret service and the capitol police before takeoff. not so says the secret service. montgomery says he was amazed hughes made it. >> he was fully prepared to be blown out of the sky long before he ever entered protected air space. >> reporter: well we do know that this man took off from gettysburg pennsylvania. the question is why didn't anyone intervene before then? norad says they didn't scramble any jets because they didn't hear about it until the
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gyrocopter already landed. back to you, chris. >> that's going to be the concern. when did they know, did they react soon enough? we know you'll be on it. former new england patriot aaron hernandez will spend the rest of his life behind bars. however, it took 35 hours for the jury to deliberate and find him guilty. why so long? what was going on in that room with what was supposed to be a slam dunk case? we'll hear from the jurors ahead. also is this another black eye for nbc news? the network's chief foreign correspondent changing his story about his time in captivity in syria three years ago. what he now says really happened. coming up. ♪ ♪ live a full life. the lexus ct hybrid with an epa estimated 42 mpg.
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candiotti who was in the courtroom throughout this trial and mel robins, cnn commentator and legal analyst. susan, let me begin with you. i know you've been covering this from the beginning from far before the trial began. you sat there yesterday as the jury read its verdict. and you stared at aaron hernandez. take us to that moment. and also tell us what you've learned from the police officers and those that were escorting him after he was handcuffed. >> reporter: you know sitting in the courtroom just a mere feet away from him. of course watching him for his every movement when that verdict was read. and as soon as it happened again, little emotion showing on his face but he immediately turns and looks to whom? to his fiancee and mother who are then openly weeping in each other's arms. what struck me is he just kept turning and looking at them and at one time appearing to mouth the words be strong. so that was as terrible to watch
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as it was to look over perhaps more so where the victim's mother was seated when she lifted her arms up in the air and pumped her arms as if in great relief that finally she got the justice she said she sought. so that was interesting to follow along that point. and when he left the courthouse a source tells me that he was telling his jailers on his way to his new prison that he said they got it wrong. i didn't do anything wrong. and so apparently it still hasn't set in yet or he knows he is already facing another trial coming up. >> and, mel, what was so interesting was how quickly this all progressed after the verdict. you saw all 15 jurors including the alternates, come out giving a lengthy press conference answer most of the questions posed to them and say they will only speak in unison. do you recall a group of jurors so unified? >> reporter: you know i
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actually don't. and i actually don't recall a press conference like that poppy, immediately following a verdict where you have every single juror present. as somebody that covers trials it was fascinating to learn firsthand exactly what they were thinking and exactly which pieces of testimony they gave a lot of weight to and found compelling, namely bob kraft the owner of the patriots and which pieces they found "baffling and unbelievable." which was much of the theory of the defense, poppy. >> so let's take a listen to one of the jurors responding to how critical that testimony from the owner of the patriots robert kraft, was. listen. >> one part for me was aaron's alleged statement that he wished at the time that odin was murdered was made public. because he was at a club at that time. to this day we just went through a three-month trial, this is now a year and a half or two years
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later. we still don't know the exact time of odin's murder specifically. so i don't know how aaron would have had that information two years ago. >> mel, as a lawyer as someone who follows these trials closely, what does it tell you that they latched on as a group to something so nuanced? a little bit of a timeline from one of 130-plus witnesses for the prosecution? >> reporter: well it tells us a couple things. first of all, one of the reasons why they took 35 hours is as they said it was information overload and they wanted to get it right. and what i found fascinating about it poppy, is the fact that it's probably aaron hernandez's behavior after the murder that convicted him of first-degree murder because of how he acted indifferent, how he lied brandishing the gun at his house that ultimately tipped the scales. and it's a distinction with a difference. had they found him guilty of murder in the second degree it would not be a mandatory life
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sentence without the possibility of parole. he would have been eligible for parole in 15 years, poppy. >> susan, the headline of course because this is a former nfl star and his fall from fame and a $40 million contract is aaron hernandez, the fact is the headline should be odin lloyd and his family and what they're going through. can you tell us, susan, what the reaction was from odin lloyd's family? do they feel a sense of closure here? >> reporter: well i think that you have a degree of what their feeling is when you heard those very emotional words from his mother who stood before the court and said she's able to forgive those, she said the people who are responsible for her only son's murder. and that's i think, was a very telling moment about the pain that she is going through. and yet how she is trying to move ahead with this. and you know she goes to his grave site each and every day. and yesterday no different being there to meet with him and talk
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with him as she said she does every day. they said his departure from this world from day one, she said has left a hole in her heart. and at one point indicated she wished she had been with him. but she knows now that she has to go on for her family. >> the heartbreak of a mother who has lost her child. susan candiotti excellent reporting for months and months around this trial. mel robbins, thank you so much. chris. hillary clinton walking the walk in iowa but when will she start talking the talk? she says she's going to start rolling out her platforms "soon," what we can expect and when ahead. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big running this clean will be much better for the environment.
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rockies. like two feet of snow. part of -- this is spring. cold on one side warm on the other. look at the rain we've already had down across the south for the past couple of days and more rain coming. even a tornado warning yesterday for new orleans. no report of any damage but they did have hail there. here we go for later on today. the storms fire here. the snow's in the rockies. the rain's in the southeast. and it's still pretty nice in the northeast. not as nice tomorrow because we start to see some rain coming in but that's the precursor to warm air coming in to the northeast. temperatures will be pushing 80 in a lot of the big cities by saturday. still snowing tomorrow into friday all the way through friday night rockies. here comes the rain and warm front and warmer air. it's going to be a very nice week. d.c. on saturday all the way to 80. guys back to you. thank you very much chad. we'll stick with you on that see how it develops. now we have news of a new report claiming supervisors were ordered to falsify records of the tulsa reserve deputy who shot and killed an unarmed man. tulsa world newspaper reports
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robert bates, the man on your screen received certifications for field and weapons training that he never earned. the report at least three of his supervisors were reassigned for refusing to sign off on those certifications. now, bates claims he accidentally drew his gun instead of his taser when he shot and killed eric harris. the sheriff's department is denying the new reports. but the story could get bigger. also today, definitely a day to remember and never forget israelis and jews around the world marking the annual holocaust remembrance day. you see the solemn pictures there. moment of silence. solemn ceremonies in israel to honor the 6 million jews killed during the holocaust. those events designed to emphasize the importance of remembering the atrocity and passing on the memories of holocaust survivors to their descendants. discussing the issue of high profile american fugitives taking refuge in cuba. one of those people convicted
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murderer granted asylum by former president fidel castro in 1979. president obama's taken recent steps to try to improve relations with cuba including asking to remove havana from the u.s. list of terror sponsors. all right. sofia vergara is in the news, but this is no hollywood tabloid story. former fiancee nick loeb is battling her in court to prevent from frozen embryos from being destroyed. vergara apparently refuses to agree to preserve them under any circumstances. sources cited as close to vergara says loeb is fertile and could have kids with someone else. he says that's not the point. >> interesting legal discussion for sure. >> it is very much. and part of this spider web of lawsuits we're seeing about viability that are testing row v. wade. >> and "new york post" hoping this will be a test case for how
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so what comes after listening? hillary clinton is wrapping up her campaign launch in iowa. how did it go? chris christie is in new hampshire trying to provide political proof of life. is it registering? joining us to break it down is political correspondent for the "new york times" patrick healy and jason, contributing editor for new york magazine. jason, i want to start with you because you wrote this month's cover story on hillary clinton. and it wasn't completely flattering. i think it's safe to say. i think we can all agree on that. let me read you a quote from the article. it says the glee and regret among republicans and democrats have been most pronounced over the disastrous press conference
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clinton held at the united nations to try to put the matter to rest. we're talking about the clinton e-mails right there. which serve to remind them something many had forgotten, what an abominable candidate she can be. so you wrote that before the iowa trip. now that you have seen the iowa trip how does iowa rank there on the gradation of what an abomb nibble candidate she can be? >> i think in iowa she's clearly trying to make up for the mistakes she felt she made in 2008 being too high above the ground haughty, entitled. in iowa she's trying to bring it back down to earth, be more approachable more relatable i guess the keyword. did she go so far in doing that she started to appear authentic in that way. that remains to be seen. we'll see how she does over the next few weeks. she's going to make such an emphasis to not make the mistakes of 2008 does she make a brand new bag of mistakes in 2016 sfwl abominable is usually a word reserved for snowman.
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is hillary fairly judged through the lens of how she reacts? or do you have to balance it with the types of attacks that she takes on as well? because that's what her side says. >> sure. >> the e-mail server and just about everything else you put on her, nobody else would have gotten hit as hard. >> i think that's right. just the lens that she's under. i mean, she's subjected to such scrutiny. at the same time you know she is not a natural politician. i mean she's not someone who she's not extroverted. >> spent a lot of years being unnatural. >> she doesn't love it it seems. she loves the policy part and the substantive part but the performance part is not necessarily something she seems to enjoy. i think a lot of politicians do enjoy that. >> if you think of bill clinton as a standard for a natural politician she's very far away from that. >> is that a fair comparison though to maybe the best at the game of dealing with the ins and outs of politics? >> right. he is the best at the game. but she falls into a different level in terms of her
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scriptedness the cautiousness. i think that's why the road trip got so much attention. because suddenly she has the capacity to surprise us. going into chipotle and making headlines worldwide for ordering a burrito bowl is insane. but when it comes to hillary clinton, it's surprising and feels fresh. and we like her a little bit more. >> i mean we definitely order the same thing at chipotle. learned that. but you wrote in your times piece which was fascinating. on the one side there's a host of republicans trying to look presidential. crisscrossing the nation in their private jets or charter jets if you will. on the other hand there's one democrat trying to look normal. as we've seen iowa play out only three days okay how would you assess her ability to look normal and the reaction from people in iowa? from the headlines i've read a lot of people were positive about what they saw at least in iowa in those few days. >> sure. some of her big donors have said this as well. she often comes into meetings with her briefing book.
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she opens them up she starts reading. then she asks questions. she goes around the table. people feel like you know she's listening and she's asking smart questions. but she's not necessarily engaging in a give and take like an unscripted town hall where the people aren't plants asking the questions who are throwing it at them. >> we didn't see that this time. >> we didn't see that. these were carefully selected people you know who were operating in her comfort zone talking about policy. normalcy i think is still -- >> can we talk about the money question right now. clinton global initiative overnight news going to limit which countries can continue to donate to the clinton global initiative, six countries like great britain and norway. the massive donations from norway, jason, explain if this will satisfy critics. >> no of course not. she's going to get criticized for whatever she does. >> even though she stepped down from the foundation board? >> yeah. i think that is something she had to do. but i don't think that will
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insulate her at all from -- >> is it another -- >> half measure. partial measure. >> or is it the thrill of the unknown? like with the e-mail. what's there that we don't know? who's donated that we don't know about? >> right. >> something you can satisfy. >> yeah. no there are questions that will be asked she will never be able to answer. and i think the scrutiny that she draws, i think a question for the press is what's fair scrutiny and what's unfair scrutiny? there are people who will never be satisfied. >> that's the clinton question. let me ask a question about chris christie. in new hampshire you see it on both sides. you see straight talk about social security in a way you're not seeing from politicians but you also saw him going into a diner your paper reported on brilliantly and facing -- really made fun of. flat out made fun of for bridgegate. >> yeah my colleague captured that scene so well. i mean the fact that he in his first trip as a possible candidate goes in there and people are already mocking him over the bridge and bringing up well i was stuck in that traffic. you know just goes to how frankly relatable that issue is.
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i mean whether sort of abuse of power can lead to someone being incredibly inconvenienced stuck in traffic. the fact is these issues are going to follow him. and if in fact some indictments are going to come down in new jersey people are going to be asking questions. they're not going to quite know well how involved were you and how do you feel about these people? it's something he's going to have to deal with. >> jason, i wonder he was asked there in the diner about foreign policy and he criticized the iran deal right? the iran framework. but then he said he's still studying on foreign policy and has been doing so for a number of months. did you see that as a moment of authenticity or just backing away and not answering the question? >> i think that is a dodge. i was talking to a republican operative the other day talking about christie and how frustrated he was he isn't weighing in on these issues that he needs to read the report and things like that. people who are watching him for these things they do view it as him not actually, you know
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engaging. >> maybe an authentic dodge. great to have you with us. >> thanks guys. >> we'll do it again. another big story making the rounds this morning, nbc news richard engel, he was kidnapped in syria in 2012. nobody is disputing that. but some details of the story are now getting re-examined. was something gotten wrong? was this another black eye for the peacock's integrity? we'll take you through the speculation and you decide. ♪ ♪ when you're living with diabetes steady is exciting.
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the kidnappers came across a rebel check point, something they hadn't expected. the kidnappers saw this checkpoint started a gunfight with it. two of the kidnappers were killed. we climbed out of the vehicle and the rebels took us. >> you're hearing the nbc crew there, the man talking nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel, a respected journalist and recounting the moment he and two colleagues were freed from captivity in syria back in 2012 after five days. but now some details of the story seem to be changing specifically who took them who freed them and why.
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we should mention right off the top the kidnapping itself is not under question. you don't want to play with somebody being put through that kind of ordeal. but the question what does it mean for nbc news and their integrity. let's bring in cnn media correspondent, host of reliable sources. you're very well wired at nbc news. what is the plus/minus on this? >> this is a story that had been percolating for weeks and weeks. "new york times" started looking into engel's story of his kidnapping after the brian williams crisis at nbc. questions about other stories being exaggerated not just by brian williams. no one's doubting he was in tremendous danger. he and his crew were in tremendous danger in syria in 2012. the questions now are whether he was accurate when he described who was behind the kidnapping and what actually happened during the kidnapping and especially in the raid that freed him and his crew. there was a fire fight at the time. now we know according to engel and according to "new york times" actually that fire fight it may have been a ruse.
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it may have been a setup in order to free them. in fact according to engel it says the group that freed us also had ties to the kidnappers. essentially the story we were told in 2012 was this was a group of kidnappers affiliated with the government of assad, right? the assad regime that has done so much damage to syria. well in fact it seems like these kidnappers had ties to the rebels the rebel groups, the moderate rebels we were hearing so much about in 2012. so the story is told the story has evolved, the question is why and how. it seems like and according to engel these kidnappers were trying to trick the nbc crew into thinking they were affiliated with assad when in fact they were the rebels. >> i think we have to remember there's a big difference between making something up and being wrong. >> that's right. >> sometimes you can just be wrong. >> that's right. >> you thought something happened it didn't happen the way you thought it happened. i don't think anyone is suggesting that richard or his team by the way i know them i find them to be incredibly brave aggressive journalists. no one's saying they made anything up here. >> that's right. one of the questions, one of the
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reasons the "new york times" started looking into this they had nine reporters working on this in the past month or so is whether nbc knew at the time there were questions about the story. according to the times report overnight there were some people telling nbc, well we think this might not have been the assad regime after all and those concerns were put to the side. the way "new york times" put it the network mufed quickly to put engel on the air with an account blaming shiite captors and did not present the other possible events. that's not a brian williams type of offense. the leaders of nbc news in 2012 no longer there. they've also moved on. but it is a curious story because it goes to show how complicated and difficult it is to be covering a story as complicated as syria. >> let's remember at the time the u.s. turkey the saudis were backing the rebels. so it's very different if it was an assad affiliated group that kidnapped them or a rebel affiliated group that kidnapped them. >> because it was part of a narrative. that's right. engel was by far the most high profile kidnapping of a journalist. it was a terrifying ordeal.
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i at "new york times," us at cnn other outlets kept it a secret because we did not want to put them in further danger. now to look back and think maybe this was not what seemed to be. that's essentially what happened here. >> to look at the bigger context here is so important because nbc is urpd the microscope because of the brian williams saga. tom brokaw coming out with only his second statement on this on monday at the university of chicago saying this talking about the brian williams issue" this is a really really serious case. we owe it to everybody including brian and his family to let the process play out to hear what the financial conclusions are and then deal with it at that point." brian williams in the midst of a six-month sitting out from his show. you said "new york times" had nine reporters on this story? that shows how big this has gotten. >> yes, they believe there was something here to investigate because there have been questions for a long time actually in media circles about what really happened with this kidnapping at nbc. again, no one saying that he made it up. nobody saying he exaggerated. but questions about who the kidnappers really were and questions about how he was
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really freed. the times thought they had a story here. frankly i was waiting for weeks for this story to come out. but nbc did something very wise perhaps. they had engel go re-report it himself and contact sources and try to figure out exactly what happened. >> i heard engel wanted to re-report it himself. which also speaks to his skills as a reporter. there was a lot of stink around this story. you're right, it has been around. and people trying to tie engel to it in a way they weren't able to do. >> there's no suspension being talked about for richard engel. he's come out and been proactive. meanwhile brian williams on the bench been two and a half months another three and a half months left. is nbc going to bring him back? this story may go away in a day or two but the brian williams story an anchor wrapped around nbc hurting the network confusion about what's going to happen to him. i have a feeling they're going to make some sort of decision well before that august period before he's supposed to come
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back. >> it's also hurting not to have him on air apparently because nbc has slipped behind cbs. >> seems like a lose/lose situation for everybody involved in that brian williams story. >> thanks for keeping us on top of the story. but a lot of news. let's get to it. [ gunfire ] >> i shot him, i'm sorry. >> a new report calls into question whether robert bates should have even have been carrying a gun. >> there are hundreds of hours that may have been falsified. >> they got it wrong. aaron hernandez's words. >> guilty of murder in the first degree. >> life without the possibility of parole. >> i think we can all stand here and say we made the right decision. >> the jury found that he was just a man who o committed a brutal murder. >> we need to do more than just get by. we need to get ahead and stay ahead. >> let me ask you about mrs. clinton's campaign. can you beat her, chris christie? >> if i run i will beat her. >> this is not good people.
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>> i'm going to violate the no-fly zone. and i'm going to land on the capitol mall. >> he was fully prepared to be blown out of the sky. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> welcome to "new day." alisyn and michaela off. poppy and john joining me. we have new questions about a reserve deputy who shot and killed a black man earlier this month. a new report in tulsa world says supervisors were ordered to falsify robert bates record giving the 73-year-old credit for training he never received. >> and now the reserve deputy program, the whole program that put bates on the streets with a gun in control of that situation is under review. this as copies of bates' training record come to light. let's bring in our ryan young. he's tracking the latest developments for us. what do we know at this hour ryan? >> reporter: poppy, there are a lot of questions about the 73-year-old. in fact days after this shooting people had questions
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about his training record. i can now tell you that the tulsa world report is now saying that supervisors at the county sheriff's office were told to falsify the training records for bates. in fact the tulsa world reports that three of bates supervisors were reassigned after refusing to sign the training documents. now, the report does not say who asked the supervisors to allegedly falsify the records. now, people have seen this video. they heard bates say he's sorry after saying he was reaching for his taser and instead pulled a gun and shot this man who later died. but like i say records show in the last seven years bates has taken a variety of courses, everything from weapons training including glock, taser and rock river training. now, all these training records were suppose to show bates was ready to be on the streets with his gun and taser training. but now all that's coming under question. we've tried to contact that sheriff's department to figure out exactly whether or not this report is true. they are saying right now they are going through all the
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records they have to try to put all this together. but obviously it's going to need more examination after these new reports have come forward and this video has surfaced. >> all right, ryan. rock river and some of those other things are obviously the types of weapons he was supposedly trained on. more information to come on this story. ryan stay on it for us. appreciate it. in full disclosure we invited the tulsa sheriff's office to come on this morning. they declined. they did call the tulsa world report unsubstantiated and deceptive. earlier this morning we spoke to the reporters behind this reporting and they say they standby what they've found. here's what they said to us. >> you would think the sheriff's office if in fact there has been no pressure applied, no falsification of records that they would be forthcoming with these documents. we certainly hope they are. we've asked for them. they said they don't believe they're public records. there are hundreds of hours that may have been falsified, at least three supervisors that our sources said were transferred were disciplined because they refused to sign off on training
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that bates never received including weapons training. >> the trainers who said we got pressured and they moved us was that recently or was that back when he was originally trying to get on as a deputy? >> it was back when he was trying to get on as a deputy. he'd already been accepted in the program. then there was the falsification of the field training records initially then the handgun qualification records after that is what we understand. so it was, you know back several years ago. and eversince then named reserve deputy of the year in 2011 ever since then he's been going on he said a hundred or so undercover operations. >> do you know why he was reserve deputy of the year? did he do anything in the field, any kind of exemplary service or something like that? >> he may have. we don't have any records of that. we do know during that time and a year or two before that and at that time he'd given the undercover unit five automobiles. donated those automobiles to the unit as well as surveillance equipment. >> so in terms of motivation here dylan, your sources on
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this point, are they telling you that this was about trying to get the sheriff's pal certified to do what he wanted? i mean what do they think was going on here? >> i mean that's been the allegation since they brought us his name originally. was that this was just someone who, you know the sheriff had called him a long-time friend he'd taken on fishing trips. someone that the sheriff liked and that they wanted him to be able to do what he wanted to do. >> they wanted him to be able to do what he wanted to do. what will all that mean now? let's bring in retired lapd sergeant sergeant sergeant sheryl dor si. good to have you with us. sergeant as always what's your take on this situation? have you even heard of anything like this before? like just to get a reserve/auxiliary deputy on to the force these types of shenanigans, if true? >> no you know i've never heard of such foolishness.
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but for the fact someone tragically lost their life, this would be comedy. to falsify the credentials of someone and put them in a sting operation because he just wants to play cop, you know like i said, it's unkonsable. what does that say about mr. bates that he would want to -- he knew that he was unqualified, that he by his own admission according to his written statement had not fired his service revolver since the fall of 2014. why would you want to insert yourself into such a highly charged environment? who does that? >> now, when we talk about excessive force, and you know in fair reporting on this we don't know that it's true yet. we hear the reporting. we're vetting the reporting. but if it is true people could look at this and say, well this isn't what the problem is with excessive force. this is something else. however, do you see a through
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thread in how the police departments deal with situations when they come up about whether they close ranks or whether they're open to scrutiny? >> absolutely it's about excessive force. we understand that the problems that we see, like i said they're systemic. when i say top down i'm talking about the chief of police. he understood what this man's situation was before he allowed him to go out into the field with these deputies on this sting operation. and then to hear that he's deputy of the year are you kidding me? he's deputy of the year because he's the sugar daddy for that police department. and i just think it's terrible. and then i understand that initially there was going to be no review of this program. how many other pay to play deputies are out there. how many other volunteer deputies are out there that are unqualified and are daily jeopardizing the lives of the real police officers as well as putting the community in harm's
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way? >> now, you also pointed out early on that while we're focused on bates you say there was another guy involved in this an undercover guy that after harris was shot he had his knee on his head and when harris was saying i'm losing my breath he said f your breath. to you that's just assin indicative of what we saw with bates, why? >> because it speaks volumes to the inhumanity of those officers. those men understood this man was possibly taking his last breath. for them to be dishonest and say he couldn't breathe when he hear him screaming let's me know that they can't be trusted as well. and at the very minimum we have an administrative disciplinary situation because it's unprofessional. it's callous. that's somebody's son. that's somebody's father. and to know they spent the last moments of their life and the last thing they heard was someone tell their loved one f your breath uncon shenable. >> let's flip the scenario of
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perspective. you were on the job. you know the fear you know the risk you know the concern whether or not you're going to get home to your family. that's what we're hearing from people in law enforcement. you're looking at that guy with his knee on his head. i have to cuff him. i don't know if he's still dangerous. he just sold a weapon. he may have another one. horrible things happen all the time. i'm in the moment. i'm scared. i'm angry that this guy's running from us. are we not giving when people criticize the actions of officers are they not giving enough credit to the stress in the situation? >> listen that's why we have the training that we have. and that's why we practice with one another before we go out into the field to conduct these kinds of operations. and so if you're scared then maybe you should call the police right? you don't get to do something that's inappropriate and then try to minimize and mitigate it by saying i want to go home. i promise you mr. harris had no gun in his neck. i've never seen a suspect in all my days carry a gun in his head.
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i've worked south bureau operations crash where we dealt with gangsters, we did search warrants we did sting operations. and like i said escalation de-escalation of force. you use that force necessary to take that person into custody. once you have them contained, then you de-escalate. and you can take them to jail and allow them to have their dignity. >> right. >> how about that? >> eric harris on that issue the police say he may have had one in his belt not around his head or neck you're saying because that's where the officer's knee was. one last point though sergeant. people will say don't run. you run, you trigger a series of events with a police officer that winds up bad nine times out of ten. is that a fair criticism? >> well criticism i don't know. but i always say comply because you never know which officer you just pulled out of that bag of tricks. you don't know if you have a tim loman like the one that killed
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tamir rice or a darren wilson. i always say comply and do what the officers say. but he did a bad thing and he was trying to get away. that's inherent to police work. we know people don't want to go to jail. we got to take them into custody but we have to do it professionally ethically and morally right. there's a way to do that. it happens every day. police officers are doing their job the right way. and these few are giving the profession a black eye. >> well it's a good perspective to have there. the overwhelming majority of officers like when you were doing the job are doing it the right way. we're focusing on the bad apples because that's how you cause change. sergeant dorsey thank you very much. we'll continue the conversation. poppy. well it is day one of a life sentence for aaron hernandez, the former nfl star convicted of first-degree murder sentenced to life in prison without parole during the dramatic conclusion to his lengthy trial. now the jurors following seven days of deliberations are speaking out about why they made the decision they did. susan candiotti was in the courtroom through it all. she joins us this morning in
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fall river, massachusetts. >> reporter: you keep hearing time and again is why did aaron hernandez do this? why did he commit murder when he seemed to have it all? well despite that guilty verdict or because of the guilty verdict he is waking up this morning in a place, in a prison where he was once close by -- sorry. he wakes up in a prison that is close to gillette stadium, the place where he was once a rising star with the new england patriots. they got it wrong. aaron hernandez's words during his transfer to a state prison wednesday. that prison close to the stadium where he once played as a new england patriot. a law enforcement source saying hernandez telling his jailers "i didn't do it." hours after being sentenced to life without parole. >> guilty of murder in the first degree. >> reporter: hernandez
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grim-faced as he heard the verdict. with his mother and fiancee in tears and just feet away from the family of victim odin lloyd no less emotional. hernandez pursing his lips and appearing it to mouth the words, be strong and i'm okay they got it wrong. a jury finding hernandez guilty of the 2013 execution-style murder of odin lloyd shot six times. central to the case surveillance videos that show the victim on the night of his death getting into a rented altima with hernandez and two other men. other video showing the same car at the industrial park where lloyd's body was found. and minutes later that car back in hernandez's driveway. hernandez's own surveillance cameras capture him holding what prosecutors say is the murder weapon. that .45 caliber glock was never found.
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surprising to the jury the defense team during closing arguments admitting hernandez was at the crime scene, saw lloyd killed but did not shoot him. after sentencing jurors tell reporters they found out from the judge that hernandez now faces trial for double murder in boston. >> yes. >> do you wish -- >> that we did the right thing. absolutely. >> reporter: after the verdict lloyd's mother addressed her son's killer. >> i forgive the hands of the people that had a hand in my son's murder. and i pray and hope that some day everyone out there will forgive them also. >> reporter: and after leaving the courthouse family and friends of victim odin lloyd went to his grave site releasing balloons in his memory. john. >> all right, susan candiotti in fall river. thanks so much. hillary clinton giving the first hints of policy positions for her presidential campaign. what did she say and when will we get more than just hints?
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let's get answers from cnn's political correspondent brianna keilar following the clinton campaign for us in des moines this morning. >> reporter: hi john. i think you're going to have to wait a while. i think you said hints i think it's what it's going to be for a little bit. hillary met with democratic lawmakers here at the state house in des moines. she talked about a number of topics immigration, incarceration, money and politics did not take any questions. but this was a visit that is key to her campaign strategy in iowa which is really to rebuild from a very local level the democratic the iowa democratic party. it was music to these lawmakers ears. in fact some of them who had been on the fence about whether to support hillary clinton told cnn they have now moved to her corner. this followed another event -- this followed another event where she met with small business owners. and she really continued her message of fighting for the middle class and taking on big money and corporations.
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>> we need to do more than just get by. we need to get ahead and stay ahead. as individuals, as families as businesses and as our country. >> reporter: the big policy headline came from her campaign yesterday. so through her campaign hillary clinton going farther on same-sex marriage than she ever has before. she said it's a constitutional right, the supreme court should rule as such. and before she had said it should be left up to states. so looking back on her couple of days here she really was making herself available to iowans in a way that a start-up candidate might. but not so much her availability to the press modeled on that of a start-up candidate. we'll see if that changes a little bit as she goes to other swing states, chris. >> i can hear her supporters now saying well both positions are consistent. if it's a constitutional right it will be up to the states to figure out how to put it in effect. bet your lunch on that.
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new jersey governor chris christie says don't forget about he. he went to new hampshire talking tough as always about what he would do as president. senior washington correspondent joe johns joins us with more. joe, he was talking about policy. we haven't heard a lot about that from his side of the party. >> it was a little refreshing i think. chris christie really turning on the charm in new hampshire looking for a restart in a state that's been known to give politicians second chances. he's been dogged by the bridgegate scandal taking ribbing from voters on it even in new hampshire. but later christie appearing in the kind of forum he sees as highlighting his strength, a town hall attended by about 200 people laid out a bunch of policy positions on fixing social security opposing the administration's move on cuba on vaccinations and he took a big swing at hillary clinton. listen. >> read somewhere today that secretary clinton said she wants to -- she intends to raise $2.5 billion for her campaign but she wants to then get the corrupting money out of
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politics. it's classic, right? it's classic politician speak. >> reporter: by the way, he also said he would be a better president than jeb bush if he got the opportunity. christie sounds a lot like a candidate, but he told that audience you just saw there that he's not going to make a decision on whether to get into the race until late spring or early summer. poppy. >> joe johns reporting for us. thanks joe, appreciate it. right now in iraq the key city of ramadi is said to be even closer we're hearing within hours possibly of falling to isis. an official in anbar province says the situation has deteriorated so rapidly and so much that unless reinforcements arrive soon remaining forces will essentially pull back the iraqi forces will give up. in a cnn exclusive our arwa damon followed hundreds of civilians desperately fleeing for their lives many heading to baghdad in search of safety. if you buy beechnut baby food the company has issued a
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voluntary recall of more than 1900 pounds of baby food after a consumer found glass in a jar and reported an oral injury. the effected food stage 2 beech-nut classics sweet potato and chicken sold in 4-ounce glaz jars. it was made in december and shipped across the country. high speed chase through the streets of houston playing out on live tv ending with police fatally shooting a suspect. authorities say 41-year-old trey shepard, the one in the lead car, there refused to stop when officers tried to pull him over for making unsafe lane changes. the chase lasted some 30 minutes and then he slammed into the other car as you see. he jumped out of his vehicle. here is the key moment. he reached back inside the vehicle when officers were telling him not to. that's when they opened fire. >> wow. coming up from nfl star to convicted murderer what is ahead for aaron hernandez in prison as the family of victim odin lloyd tries to move forward after that verdict. we're going to talk to a corrections official who came to know hernandez very well in jail
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the fact that he was a professional athlete meant nothing in the end. >> the verdict is in. aaron hernandez will spend the rest of his life in prison after being found guilty of first-degree murder. one man with unique insight into hernandez's personality, the conditions the former football star can expect in prison is bristol county sheriff joining me now. thank you for being with me. so our viewers know you run a correctional facility where hernandez was held for about eight months before he went to trial. i understand you got to know him very very well. one thing that stood out to me is that you say aaron hernandez's trigger, real trigger, is being disrespected. >> yeah. you know during my course of my time i spent some time with him talking over his incarceration with us. and it became more and more clear to me that his narcissistic wound is really around being disrespected. his dad was somebody who commanded respect from the
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entire family. i think losing his dad at 16 clearly from my perspective, i think, that was a devastating time for him. that was the person that kept him on the straight and narrow. and i think in some ways he sort of -- that's the part of his father's memory he's held onto. and if you disrespect him, i think in some respects you're disrespecting his father who he was so close to. >> but no excuse at all for this. however it goes to the issue of what could have motivated this right? a thing that was at play and at question throughout the trial. let me ask you this he was under your eye for eight months. and you got very close to him. you said you had sort of a fatherly relationship with him at some points. what do you make of his reaction in the courtroom yesterday. some saying he was flat his reaction. paul callan said that indicated he may be psychopathic. what did you make of his reaction when the verdict was read?
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>> i think, you know my feeling is he is probably a sociopath. he's somebody i ran a criminal division and i've never seen somebody as good as him being able to compartmentalize. he's excellent at compartmentalizing and pushing away things. i think that's what we saw in the courtroom yesterday. he just doesn't want to face what he's dealing with in reality. and he just chooses not to look at it. >> i wonder if he believes he truly didn't do this is responsible for this. because yesterday our susan candiotti reporting as he was walked out of that courtroom in handcuffs that he said to one of the deputies there i didn't do it they got it wrong. >> well it's hard to know what he's actually thinking if deep down inside he really believes it. but as i said he has a way of being able to compartmentalize things and not look at them. he can be in self-denial, but i think probably deep down inside when he gets that glimmer of light he'll recognize it. >> again, i reiterate that the
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headlines are about aaron hernandez because it was this huge fall from grace superstardom but what about the victim? odin lloyd, somebody who had been his close for friends year. did he ever talk about odin lloyd and that friendship? anything about him in those eight months? >> no. and i was very careful not to talk about anything to do with this case or anything associated with this case. i really spent a lot of time sort of digging into him, what he was about and about his family history and so forth. >> he's moving -- moved from your facility to another facility where he'll spend the rest of his life without a chance for parole. give us a sense of what the conditions will be like there, what he's walking into. >> well he's going to walk into a life, well of course he went into a stadium where he was cheered by thousands of people in a very different kind of uniform. he'll go into this prison where he won't get anybody cheering for him and living a very simple life. he'll be told when he can eat, what he's going to eat and how
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much he can eat. there will be no moving around except when he's permitted within the schedule to do that. it will be a very simple life and one that won't offer a lot of amenities. >> i know you were surprised your facility was keeping him sort of separated at the beginning there. and you were surprised actually that he initiated this fistfight while he was under your watch there. >> yeah. we were. actually we were trying -- being a high profile inmate you want to make sure you're protecting them from any predators that want to try to get some stature within the facility. and in this case we realized actually we had to not thinking about it at the time but we had to actually protect the potential predators against him in this instance. >> right. let me ask you this sheriff. you've had sort of this rise in terms of your profile in the media. you've been all over the place. your face has been across the media outlets. and sometimes said this is about advancing your own career. let me ask you why you've spoken out so much. and do you have higher political
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aspirations as part of this? >> you know they've been saying that about me since i've been a sheriff for 18 years, i speak out on a lot of issues. the fact of the matter is this isn't about politics. what cnn has done, what a lot of these news stations have done by digging in and letting know what life is like and looking at the cells and so forth, i can't think of a better lesson for children to see a guy they revered how quickly making bad choices can end you up in a place like a prison with no choices in your life. >> i just hope that odin lloyd's family gets as much attention as aaron hernandez. the amazing move by his mother yesterday saying i forgive you in a mother who lost their child. good to have you on the program. >> have a great day. >> guys, back to you. thanks poppy. here's a question for you, what is more important for chris christie? social security? the so-called third rail of politics or the third lane on the road to the george
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washington bridge? john king goes inside politics next. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac.
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a new report claims that supervisors were ordered to falsify records of a tulsa reserve deputy who shot and killed an unarmed man. tulsa world, the newspaper there, reports that robert bates received certifications for training that he never earned. they reportedly released three of his supervisors were reassigned for not signing off on those allegedly bogus certifications. the sheriff's department is denying these new reports. authorities now preparing to double the search zone size for malaysia airlines flight 370. senior ministers from malaysia australia and china now agreeing to expand the search from 60 to 120,000 square kilometers doubling the size. if the plane is not found in the coming months a search of the current zone in the southern indian ocean should be completed by may. that will certainly be welcome news from the families who want answers. getting paid to walk because she does it well, but she's also done it for the last time.
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here she is going down the runway. this is marking the end of her 20-year career since 14 she's been in it. one final stroll down the runway during a fashion week in her native brazil. tom brady, her husband, front row for the farewell. bundchen called it a privilege to be doing her last fashion show by choice. she says she'll still be working in other facets of the business. i read that slowly for your benefit, john berman. >> my friend tom brady had a lovely post on facebook about gisele and how proud he is of her. >> in your mind's eye, better looking gisele or tom brady? >> i don't have to answer that. you know who's better looking? john king. >> i choose gisele. >> of course you would. >> sorry. pretty easy choice. i'm a big fan of tom brady.
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he's going to win another super bowl next year. she'll have less work get to go to more games. jet let's get to politics and leave the sports behind. gisele leave you behind for a moment. busy day in politics. ed shake his head o'keeffe a giants fan, a lions fan ron? >> yes, long suffering. >> long stuffing son of detroit and lions fan. let's get to the substance on this morning. hillary clinton is in iowa. part of this rollout, nothing to do with her events yesterday, we'll get to sort of what they look like. but with nothing to do with those her campaign put out a statement yesterday and this is from her campaign spokesperson. hillary clinton supports marriage equality and hopes the supreme court will come down onned side of same-sex couples being guaranteed that constitutional right. the significant part is that constitutional right. you'll remember back in june 2014 almost a year ago now, she did an interview with npr when she was starting -- she left secretary of state, starting to
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reemerge politically and talked then in the npr interview, number one she said she was glad states were looking at this. 37 states now allow same-sex marriage. she said she was glad states were going state by state and people were pushing for it. and then she had this exchange. >> you know i have to say i think you are being very persistent, but you are playing with my words and playing with what is such -- >> i'm just trying to clarify so i can understand. >> no i don't think you are trying to clarify. i think you're trying to say i used to be opposed and now i'm in favor. and i did it for political reasons. and that's just flat wrong. >> what is the significance? is there a significance of what we saw yesterday? she's saying constitutional amendment. in that interview she was applauding the state by state efforts. one big difference is there's actually a case before the supreme court right now. so this could happen. is she changing her position? >> this is a high profile example of me tooism. she understands that the supreme court's decision is coming.
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looks like it will probably be favorable to same-sex marriage. she's trying to clarify this when she's clearly trying to drum up as much base support as she can. she's got to make clear on this number one social issue. she's clearly trying to make a play for elizabeth warren democrats as well. this is all part of that. and, look public opinion has shifted. it shifted since she took positions in '08. >> the current president of the united states has changed his position. i think millions of americans have probably changed their positions on this as they watch this and talk to their kids about this. the remarkable part to me is how fast this has moved in the country. george w. bush 11 years ago won re-election, closed his campaign. the last line of his speeches in the final weeks was re-elect me and i will fight for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage. >> right. i don't think we've seen a social issue move this quickly. and hillary clinton like a lot of politicians is finally getting herself on the right side of history. the reason why this is a particular problem for her and not someone like barack obama who is also involved is because of the way she handles things like this. terry gross was right. she wasn't playing with
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hillary's words. she was trying to clarify a fast evolving changing position. and hillary clinton denied the obvious. so now she looks like a flip-flopper. now she looks like someone who won't tell us where she really stands on issues. now she looks like somebody who's only being an opportunist. that's not terry gross's fault, not barack obama's fault, not the media fault, that's hillary clinton's fault. >> i'm not sure i completely agree with you -- >> i'm stun. >> if even you're being attacked in an interview and i'm not saying she was being attacked but the gift of a skilled politician is to weave their way out without intensifying the confrontation. >> instead of pushing back saying here's where i stand now, i've changed like a lot of people but she wanted to play both ways. >> things are evolving. but remember one of the largest money constituencies in the democratic party remains the -- point. i covered don't ask don't tell
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and part of that was driven by the fact that the president and congressional democrats had to be able to raise money from gay and lesbian donors. and i think this is probably part of it. sort of saying to them don't worry, i understand i'm with you. feel free to support me. >> and you mention in this rollout we've watched her, she's laid out some principles for her campaign. she says details will come economic plan big campaign finance plan, other issues as well. it's clear she's not allowing a lot of space to her left. if you think elizabeth warren's going to run for president, if you still think the draft war movement is going to work, i think you can probably put the nail in the coffin today. time has the most 100 influential people in the country, elizabeth warren is on that list this year. "time" asked somebody to write, hillary clinton writes the blurb this year about elizabeth warren saying it's always going to take a special kind of leader to pick up -- elizabeth warren never lets us forget the work of taming wall street's
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irresponsible risk taking and reforming our financial system is far from finished. that's a big hug. >> uh-huh. >> it's also taking up ted kennedy's mantle in the senate not campaign trail. >> put it right where she wants her. >> is this significant at all? the clinton foundation hillary clinton has left the board of foundation to run for president. the foundation has taken some heat for taking donations. now they say they're going to stop that almost. they will continue to take money from australia, canada germany, the netherlands, norway and the united kingdom, the good guys democracies if you will. is that okay? >> no. you can't be a little bit pregnant. she's going to be president of the united states these are allies but they also have interests and ways they might want to influence our government. and they're giving money to a potential president rnl candidate's family foundation. that should not happen. >> speaking of rollouts the hillary campaign is happy with her so far. sure they were controlled events politicians do thachlt she's entitled to try that just
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like everybody else. >> she better do it. >> that's right. smart politics. what about marco rubio? he's a little different. came back to washington to do some senate business, now he's going to raise a lot of money. what are they thinking? >> this is a slow roll for him. dramatic announcement in monday and now he really has to go out and raise a lot of money. we understand he'll have three events in florida, there is money for him to be had there despite jeb bush. he will hold two efbts in texas next week as well. a sizable amount of support for him there despite ted cruz rick perry. and eventually making visits to places like new hampshire and iowa. they knew they had to get him out there, make it official have a nice rollout this week which they've been having. he's been interviewed by just about everyone. i don't know if you got your interview yet. have you had yours? he will hit the campaign. >> real quickly back on hillary clinton, i think she's doing the right thing by starting slow. this is exactly what she's got to do. on rubio it's interesting, he
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realizes he's not going to be able to raise a lot of money, so they're looking for the money ball approach where you use data to be as efficient as you can with your money. they're looking dood that with politics. either that's true or it's spin because they can't raise a lot of money. >> back to you in new york mr. cuomo, another guy we're waiting to see is chris christie. remember in london he talked about parents having choices when it comes to vaccinations. chris christie on the trail in new hampshire yesterday. >> i cannot be someone who supports voluntary vaccination. i think that would be the wrong step for the public health of our country. i think parents need to be listened to. always. but in the end there's some hard decisions we have to make about this. and i would ere on the side of protecting public health through vaccine unless that vaccine was proven to be dangerous. >> interesting to watch mr.
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cuomo christie using these town halls to revive his image. he's low in the polls but says he has plenty of time. parents have some option but much more emphasis on public health from governor christie. >> he's on the line on that one. they're on the line when they say, hey, we got to get the money out of politics. not going to see anybody unilaterally disarm. these will be the issues we judge them on. john king always a pleasure. >> take care. that air space over the white house, it's supposed to be like the safest air space in the world, right? we have to protect someone very valuable. then how did this guy get in? flying on that go cart or whatever it was. we'll tell you. we've got a reporter who followed the whole thing. t-mobile is breaking the rules of wireless. and the samsung galaxy s6 edge is breaking the rules of design. can't get your hands on it because you're locked down by a carrier? break free t-mobile will pay every penny of your switching fees.
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it was bizarre, it was dangerous, but it was interesting to say the least. the gyrocopter not helicopter landing in the middle of the lawn near the u.s. capitol. the pilot 61-year-old mailman trying to make a statement about money and politics. few people know more about hughes' intentions than tampa bay times writer ben montgomery.
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ben actually interviewed hughes as he was planning the protest flight. live tweeted incident as it unfolded. and now he's joining us live on "new day." thanks for coming to pass along the reportage. >> he called me a year ago, didn't identify himself but he said i'm going to commit an act of civil disobedience nobody's going to get hurt. but i might get shot down or i might get arrested. and i really need somebody to tell the backstory in the event something bad happens. and so we get calls like that from time to time in the newsroom. and there was something about this guy that i thought maybe we should have a cup of coffee. so i met him in person. he had this very detailed and interesting plan about trying to bring attention to campaign finance reform this issue that makes everybody's eyes glaze over. >> so did you judge him as sane?
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of the right mind? motivated by the right things? did you have any doubts? >> well doug himself said look no sane person would do what i'm doing. so maybe there's a little something off there, but otherwise, yeah he was completely sane. you know he held the same job for 11 years, he's raised a beautiful little 12-year-old girl he's got a wife and a house and a car. everything about him is just sort of ho hum normal mailman life except for this big, brazen sort of paul revere pt barnum idea of trying to arrest the news cycle and direct attention to something he feels incredibly passionate about. >> he's certainly not alone on the issue. it's about his means that will come under scrutiny. let's put up the tweet you put up as it was going on that got our attention. this is one of the craziest stories i've ever done. i so hope nobody gets hurt. it's that second sentence that winds up making it a different kind of story. did you have any concerns about whether or not he was telling you the truth? that that's what it was and he didn't have some darker motivations about landing there?
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>> maybe early on but once i got to know doug his plan was entirely designed to be transparent. he was live streaming the entire thing from his gyrocopter. he launched from gettysburg, p.a. which is about an hour and a half flight time. on the way in he alerted the media to his flight plan and to his website, the democracyclub.org which explains all about his thoughts of how he can reform campaign finance. he alerted the authorities. and beyond that the authorities investigated him about a year ago. the secret service interviewed him twice and interviewed a colleague of his with whom he'd shared his ideas for the plan. so we were comfortable with the idea that doug had been on the radar of the secret service. and comfortable, again, with the idea that this guy everything in his plan was intended to be transparent and nonharmful. and truly an act of civil disobedience. he knew he might get shot down.
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that's where that tweet came from. i thought i was super surprised to see him so easily without resistant do what he did. >> they interviewed him before and he was transparent, and how did he successfully land in such a sensitive space? do you have any explanation? >> your guess is as good as mine. i think because the aircraft is so small and light, 250 pounds basically a lawn chair with a propeller, you know it seems like from what i read he just slipped under the radar. i saw him coming around the washington monument and ran as fast as i could before he landed just before they dragged him off, and many described the
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sense of panic on the lawn there, and there was no panic when i got there, and everybody was taking cell phone videos and laughing, and there was a group of 30 kids being taught about civil disobedience and protests and they were using him as an example. >> bizarre story to be sure and let's see how much he is laughing when he sees what they do in the terms of criminal prosecution. coming up next an important story we will tell you about. thousands of low-wage workers marching from coast-to-coast demanding a significant pay bump. and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal generating electricity on-site and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment.
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>> i shot him. sorry. >> another report calls into question as to whether bates should have ever been carrying a gun. >> i forgive the hands of the people that had a hand in my son's murder. >> thousands of refugees fleeing. >> two active members of the army national guard allegedly trying to sell guns ammunition and body armour to mexican drug cartels. >> 190 high-capacity magazines.
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>> this is "new day." >> good morning, and welcome to your "new day," and it's 8:00 in the east, and alison and miki are off, and poppy harlow and chris are here. the tulsa world newspaper is reporting supervisors were told to falsify the training records of robert bates. that's the 73-year-old reserve deputy charged with manslaughter for the shooting death of an unarmed man fleeing from police. >> cnn obtained the training records as the tulsa sheriff's office puts its entire deputy program under a close eye, under scrutiny. let's begin our coverage with brian young who is tracking the details for us. this is a big shift with the whole program under review. >> good morning, poppy. a lot of questions about this case and in fact we talked
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about this just yesterday, the idea roberts bates donated so much five cars and money to the re-election campaign, and the training hours are what are under question right now, and "tulsa world" are reporting that some supervisors were told to falsify the training records for bates, and they report there were supervisors reassigned after refusing to sign the training documents and the report does not say who asked the supervisors to falsify the records and the falsified records gives bates for trailed training he never completed, and records show in the last seven years, bates have taken over a variety of courses, weapons training and rock river training. this has been detailed in the report, but when you watch the video and shoet fact that he said taser, taser, and instead reached for a gun, the training questions were brought up by the attorney and now this report
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this entire program is being put into question. >> and the question now becomes, okay if the whole program is under review who is doing that review. in the interest of balance here we invited the tulsa sheriff's office to come on this morning and they decline, and they call the report unsubstantiated and deceptive, and we had bates' attorney on the show and he cited his extensive education on the show. and we have reporters for "tulsa world," they broke the story, and here is what they say. >> would you think the sheriff's office if in fact there has been no pressure applied and no falsification of records, they would be forthcoming with these documents and we hope they are and we asked for them and they said they don't believe there are hundreds of records, and there are hundreds of hours that could have been falsified, and
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supervisors were disciplined because they were not signing off on training records. >> was that recently or was that back when he was originally trying to get on as a deputy? >> it was back when he was trying to get on as a deputy. he had already been accepted in the program and then there was the falsification of the field training records initially and then the handgun qualification records, as we understand and it was back several years ago, and every since then he was named reserve deputy of the year in 2011 and every since then he has been going on 100 or so undercover operations. >> do you know why he was reserve deputy of the year did he do anything exemplary or anything like that? >> we don't know that but at that time he had given the undercover unit five automobiles, donated those to the unit as well as surveillance equipment.
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>> in terms of motivation here your sources on this point, was this about trying to get the sheriff's pal certified to do what he wanted? what do you think was going on here? >> that has been the allegation since they brought us his name originally this was just somebody -- the sheriff called him a long-time friend that he took on fishing trips and somebody the sheriff liked and they wanted him to be able to do what he wanted to do. and also we are following is did the whousz cave on the-- white house cave on the iran nuclear bill. >> reporter: we have heard for weeks we heard the white house issue strong language, and now they are saying this is
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something we can sign and the reaction was what happened? they said look, it was the white house was never going to be getting enough votes on its side to beat a veto override and the bill was changed so as to get more democrats onboard, and the white house is framing it as it's not an up or down vote simply on the iran deal anymore and it's a vote on whether or not to remove sanctions that congress imposed anyway and where it gets into a gray area is you could say couldn't you see this sanctions vote as aeeffectively an up or down vote on the iran deal. iran is seeing that way and they put out information saying there's not going to be any deal unless all sanctions are removed and they are putting out the rescissions to the deal as it stands that are going to be unacceptable to the west.
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chris? >> this is one big issue that whoever the next president is is going to have to deal with and on the republican side you have many names, and on the democrat side you have only one, right? wrong. lincoln chafee is weighing a run for president. good to have you with us governor. >> thank you for having me on the show. >> do you think you can beat hillary clinton and why? >> i have been in 12 elections in my career over 30 years, and i have won 10 of the 12 but you always get in expecting to win, and elections should be about choices, and there should be choices on the democrat side also. >> you went out on a limb supporting president obama when he was running for re-election, and you supported him as a republican -- >> no as an independent. >> so a lot of people are looking at hillary clinton as a
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third term for president obama, and you by exploring a run are not so indetectively saying no no no she does not represent the third term here. why not? >> don't forget the reason -- probably the biggest reason that senator obama at the time defeated hillary clinton in '08 was because of the iraq war vote and that was the issue, and that's my big issue here because we are dealing with ramifications in a huge mistake that senator clinton made which i did not make, and we live with it today, and the news today in ramadi with isis it's a huge and bad decision, and i don't consider it a third term with president obama at all. very difficult. >> you were in boarding school with jeb bush is that right? >> yes. >> do you believe he would be a better president than hillary clinton?
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>> i am running my own race on the democratic side and i will let the republicans sort out their side. >> nobody has declared but hillary on the democratic side and the other folks, bernie sanders, jim webb and nobody is taking on hillary clinton and nobody has gone out near as far as you have gone out to criticizer and you are saying the vote she made is disqualifying her. >> yeah it's not only that vote but her actions of secretary of state, and where we're going -- >> what did she do wrong? >> start with russia in the early days they tried to re-start with russia and she presented the russia prime minister with the re-start button and they got the russian word wrong, and instead they said this means over charge and it was an insult.
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>> the re-start was the wrong right way? >> right, but you have to get the word right. look what is happening with russia and ukraine, and it all could have started with the diplomatic mistake, getting the word wrong. and she referred to the elected leader of venezuela, hugo chavez as a dictator and that sets back the relations with an important country, an oil-rich country, and it's a succession of errors. >> sounds like you have been looking for specific examples. what about the now, and the e-mails, and the funds for the clinton global initiative, and what level of concern is this to you? >> especially the funds come
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into the clinton funds from other countries, while she is secretary of state. huge amounts of money coming from foreign countries into the clinton fund while she is secretary of state. >> did they change the rules while she was secretary and then afterwards start accepting from other countries and not. >> i don't know when they changed the rules, john. >> important stuff to know but if you are going to go after hillary clinton on the basis of painting a character picture, then you have to be right about it because that's a pretty big hammer to swing, especially if you say i have the better ideas, you have to pick a tack either you are going after her and saying she is not good enough but you have to say at some point why you are better? >> yes, and i feel strongly my record as mayor and governor and united states senator is open to scrutiny and i have a strong record of standing up for the people and being a peace maker with unions, and dealing with
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the foreign relations committee, and look for a new direction and fresh ideas for america, i firmly believe, for our children and grandchildren. >> you have a unique perspective, you were a republican and an independent, and now a democrat. who is the most to blame? who needs to do more to correct their actions and fix this problem? >> president bush the second he really set this country back i believe. first the tax cuts that gave us the depression, and then the war in iraq and a record of saying one thing as a candidate and doing something else, and that was the culture of prau sraeur indication. one of the reasons i left was to take a surplus, and turn it into
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saving. >> what you are going to hear from your adversaries, the biggest sin in politics that there is this man did not go from one party to another, he changed twice. they are going to bang you over the head with that all day, and this guy doesn't know where he is and we need leadership direct and secure. >> the flaw in that argument is i have a 30-year record to look at, and when they look at that 30-year record they will see consistency, on the fiscal responsibility and environment and keeping us out of quagmires, and a number of issues rock-solid consistency. >> you are saying a reverse ronald reagan i did not leave the democratic party the democratic party left me? >> yeah, no room for liberal
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republicans. that's what is happening, the primary, the liberal republicans. >> you think the dnc will let you have a fair shot? >> i do. i do. elections are about choices. >> you think you can raise the money? >> america loves the underdog. no doubt i am an underdog. i don't think i will raise $1 billion. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. this morning aaron hernandez is behind bars where he will be for the rest of his life. the former nfl star showed a little emotion, not much, but there was a whole lot of drama in the courtroom as the jury con convicted him of first-degree murder murder and he was sentenced to life without patrol. susan, you were in the courtroom. >> reporter: it was quite a day, john yes. as he heard the words guilty of
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first-degree murder aaron hernandez, as you said showed very little emotion except for rubbing his chin something that we would see him do during the trial, during very tense moments, but he did turn immediately and look at his mother and fiance who were weeping openly in court, and then across the aisle, the mother of his victim oden lloyd, who was also crying sitting next to oden lloyd's girlfriend they were crying tears of relief and, of course what we also learned from a source is that he apparently is denying his guilt, and a source telling me that as he was leaving the courthouse and was on his way to prison he told his jailers, i didn't do it. they got it wrong. and obviously the jury in this case disagreeing with that. he will be spending the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole and is staying for now in a prison is
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that a stone's throw away from where he was once a rising star for the new england patriots. poppy? >> i will take it, susan. two active members of the national guard arrested for trying to sell guns am yo and body armour. officials say they were so brazen they wore their army uniforms while conducting the deal. tough to believe. >> these two soldiers worked at a national armed army and they tried to sell guns and thousands of stolen military ammunition to drug cartels. they say the two were caught in a sting that was run by the atf. both men are charged with running firearms without a license and that carries a
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prison sentence for five years, and reyes is charged with transporting firearms unlicensed, and among the arsenal they sold was at least seven guns including an ar-15 rifle and ak-47 rifle, and thousands of ammunition stolen from the armory and the soldiers showed up in military uniforms and sold an ar-15 rifle for $2,000. >> thank you, evan. appreciate it. and then a book by the murdered editor and he has harsh words for people that defended the magazine after it was first attacked and you will remember that back in 2011. he calls people that accused the magazine of antagonizing muslims
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ridiculous. >> it will be interesting to read it to see where his head was on all of this. seven days of nail biting in the aaron hernandez trial before we got a verdict. you will hear from the bristol county district attorney the man that prosecuted that case about what he says was the key to the verdict. medical marijuana under the microscope. sanjay gupta continues his investigation into marijuana, pot, how it treats pain. this is brian. every day, brian drives carefully to work. and every day brian drives carefully to work, there are rate suckers. he's been paying more for car insurance because of their bad driving for so long, he doesn't even notice them anymore. but one day brian gets snapshot from progressive. now brian has a rate based on his driving, not theirs.
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he said keep your mind suspended, and for me and i know a lot of people did, we went in there every day with open minds and listen to the evidence and heard what they had to say and got to go into a room and see, look and feel all the evidence and i can stand here and say we
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made the right decision. >> the words from the jury coming moments after aaron hernandez was sentenced to life in prison without patrol. the most severe sentence he could have gotten for the murder of oden lloyd. the guilty verdict, again, seven days of deliberations out of a nine-week trial out of all of it. mr. district attorney thank you for joining us. during those days we know you were confident about the case all through, but did it give you pause for concern? >> i remained confident throughout the deliberations. i think as you get further into it is the natural tendency to feel some concern. we felt confident. we didn't think the long deliberation was negative. in fact on monday and tuesday, there were no juror questions at all and they deliberated all day
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and i thought that was a good sign. >> were you surprised they had any questions? >> well no because jurors often have questions and they seem to come in the beginning of the case because there's a lot of evidence to go over and numerous exhibits and the trial was 2 1/2 months. >> do you think aaron hernandez pulled the trigger or do you think he was just there? >> i think he was the leader if you will of the group. there was strong evidence that he pulled the trigger. we argued that. there was evidence at the scene and evidence before and after the murder so we are confident he was the shooter, but in another scenario he was part of the venture and shared the intent of the other two confederates confederates.
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>> if he did not pull the trigger, it wouldn't change your opinion for his responsibility of the crime? >> it would not, but that's something the jury duheliberates on. >> if the death penalty were available under your state law would you have asked for it? >> no. >> because? >> well i mean it's a hypothetical question and it's not something i had given any thought to because i would not ask for the death penalty in this case. >> but is that a statement about how bad you think it was or is that about how you feel about the death penalty in general? >> in general the death penalty, in general, but it was a very serious and violent outrageous crime with no justification whatsoever and the death
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penalty was not an issue in the case and hypothetically i would not have pursued it but that was a decision that would have been made before i bimecome district attorney. >> he has other charges. let's stick with the criminal stuff. do you believe there is a very good case to be made that aaron hernandez is responsible for one way or another for other murders as well? >> other uncharged murders? >> yes, sir. >> i wouldn't know that. >> do you think he is -- >> we're focusing on -- >> the cases you are going to make how confident are you in those? >> well the remaining charges in our case are part and parcel of the homicide they are lesser charges, and that's the least of his concern right now, and he has the double homicide coming up in boston next month and i wish the suffolk county district
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attorneys luck. >> do you believe they have a solid case there as well? >> i don't know the particulars of it. i wouldn't comment on that other than to say they have indicted him for the two murders and they are proceeding along with the prosecution. >> the reason i ask, how can a guy with everything in life go to making the worst choices ever? >> i don't know him. i don't know what is inside of him, but to say he had it all, he may have had a lot of money but that doesn't mean personally he had it all. his behavior in this case was outrageous. he is accused of premedicated brutal murders in boston, and there's other incidents that have been brought up in the proceedings, so to say he had it all, apparently he didn't have it all. money doesn't give you it all.
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>> money doesn't give you character, but when you see people mixed up in this type of gangster activity this guy had every reason to take another path. thank you for joining us. please have a final word. >> well i am just very happy for the victim's family and for our office and for the citizens in general that he was held accountable for the brutal murder and the fact he was a professional athlete, it meant nothing in the end just the way it should have been. >> justice was served blind under the law. thank you for being on "new day." >> my pleasure. thank you. more americans than ever are on board with legalizing marijuana in this case. why the surge? we are talking about dr. gupta and getting a fascinating look at his new documentary. and anthony bourdain parts unknown, and why is he in a hot
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unique. different. i never thought i would be smoking weed in the hospital. >> she is a painter. she was also born with siclekle cell anemia and has been in main for as long as she can remember. >> how long after you smoke do you have some sort of relief of your pain? >> instantly. it's like instantly. >> a couple minutes? >> yeah a couple minutes and you feel the relief of pain. >> that was a clip from a new cnn documentary. it examines the politics and policies of legalizing medical marijuana. and our chief medical correspondent joins us now, sanjay gupta. you heard from her and how it is helping her, and you spend time
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with the veteran who is suffering about ptsd and you call this reporting from the frontlines of a battle. who is winning? >> i think for the first time you are starting to see the signs of a revolution when it comes to medicinal marijuana. it's a heavily sigma advertised substance, and it's basically it's preordained for having no medicinal use, and there are more studies that have been done in the last 12 months than in the previous 12 years. the scientist and the people that wanted to study this could not get it done for a long time. >> is it because they are responding to numbers like this this pew study showing 77% of people now think marijuana has a legitimate medical use, and that is a change.
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what is driving it? >> there is data that exists on this from other countries from around the world. i fell into the trap sometime ago, and i looked at the evidence and didn't find it compelling but when you look at most things and you dig deeper and you realize that part of the reason the united states data didn't look good because the studies getting approved they were designed to look for harm, and israel they have been doing research for decades on this and allowing patients to use marijuana in hospitals as part of trials and part of the therapy now, and you start to see a different picture that emerges. so there is data out there, and people can dismiss a lot of the patience of malingerers, trying to get high and part is true, but there are legitimate patients that this benefits them. >> people can see all the states
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where medical marijuana is now legal. and you are talking about 23 states across this country. let's talk about sean. this is probably the most moving part of the documentary, for me sean a veteran suffering from ptsd and i was shocked to find out what smoking marijuana helps him with in terms of his dreams and his concentration. >> just a quick background. sean was a wall street investment banker, and he was in panama and had significant post traumatic cyst tuplsymptoms when he came back, and he nearly killed himself because he could not get relief, and i met sean and he was almost one of those people and this offers a significant improvement of his symptoms, and
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suppressing dream recall, and very important when it comes to post traumatic stress and ignoring the past and focusing on the present and that could help the anxiety, and we know what it does in the brain, the part of the brain that deals with empathy and emotion and decision making. it's fascinating to see it working and also the studies and why it works. >> one of the questions chris and i had, does it matter what kind of marijuana is being smoked? and for you, this personal journey, what has been the biggest surprise to you? >> on the first point it absolutely matters the different strains and doses, just like any other medication. there are certain things that will work better we know for children with epilepsy, and a high cbd, and oil seems to work
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better for those children and that's part of a study ongoing right now as well. and i think the personal journey, poppy, i think we all get presented all sorts of data all the time and it's easy to look at the data and do a little digging and accept that data for what it is and when you start to dig deeper and you say what drove the data in the first place, what were the questions being asked, and what was the harm we could find as opposed to what was the benefit, and you can extrapolate that in all aspects of the life, and now senators who are proposing legislation, and it's a remarkable story and it's one that reflects in many ways the united states and it's overall drug policy. >> if you want to see what the president has to say about it sanjay posed that question to him, and 9:00 eastern, sunday
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tulsa reports the supervisors were asked to falsify documents. and former nfl star hernandez a convicted murder. he was sentenced to life in prison without patrol for killing oden lloyd. a florida man in custody this morning for landing his tiny gyrocopter on the capitol lawn. doug hues says he carried out the stunt to look at the corruptioning in politics. and then it will be a lingering issue for hillary clinton's campaign the board of a clinton foundation deciding to keep taking donations from australia and canada and four european countries, limiting the amounts though. in today's "new day" new
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you, early success in the trial of a new breast cancer drug pfizer says it met its goal. the results were so promising the trial was stopped early. the fda approved the drug for some patients in an advanced stage of breast cancer. that's great news. >> it shows promise. is this when you have to be careful in the qualifications? >> they are saying it's delaying the process in the disease in previously treated patients so not a cure-all. your man, anthony bourdain a new season and john is fascinated with him being in a hot tub. we will discuss his favorite tubs -- >> it's not just me. >> you only mentioned it.
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>> and then building the first legal marijuana empire, and it's part of cnn series "high profits." >> take a look. >> they throw out condoms every year. it's like a legit adult party in the middle of downtown. i think our float will be received pretty well. i found it! i found it! look at this. nice. the girls are on their way. >> the mayor is able to lift our open container restrictions so for thisfest they don't have a liquor license, but the mayor does lift it because it would be a nightmare if he didn't. >> what we want to do with any kind of drug is reduce the number of people using it.
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some people are responsible, and a lot of people are irresponsible. alcohol is our best example, and we have 11,000 people killed every year by drunk drivers. we shouldn't accept that. that's what happens when you have a drug that is readily available, and relatively cheap, i don't want that for the other drugs. >> we are making our presence known, and everybody after this parade will know they can come in and buy weed at our store. my tempur-pedic made me fall in love with mornings again. i love how it conforms to my body. with tempur-pedic the whole bed is comfortable. it's the best thing we ever did for ourselves. it's helping to keep us young. (vo) visit your local retailer and feel the tempur-pedic difference for yourself.
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the cnn hit show "anthony bourdain bourdain parts unknown," is returning, but you have a chance to pick the episode from the past seasons you would like to see again before the season premiere. you get to vote and decide which one makes the cut, and anthony bourdain joins us now. >> hi. >> you have boiled down your globe trotting to your ten favorite destinations? >> my favorite shows. i don't know if i would be recommending a vacation in libya right now, but these were the
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shows i am most proud of and happiest with the result. >> what did you like most about the congo show? >> it was so difficult, and it took years and years and years to set up to be able to get in there and to be able to do it reasonably safely and the level of difficulty was unlike any other show a level of uncertainty, and we worked really hard on it and came back with a show i am proud of. complex and a big story, and took a lot to do and i am proud of the work we did. >> i would imagine it's almost like picking amongst your children and each have a memory like the food that you love and the people and the stories they share with you. >> we meet a lot of people and hear a lot of stories that are very moving confusing, upsetting, and inspiring. >> complicated? >> complicated. we try really hard to tell the
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story in a compelling and creative way, and i guess the shows that i am most proud of are the ones that i feel that using the strange and terrible powers of television we were able to put together a compelling story. >> by the way, there is tony's list. >> that is a whole smattering of choices. you brought up the libya show. what did you like about that? >> i was there in what turned out to be a tremendous window of hope and optimism and occasional goodwill. i met a lot of extraordinary people and it was an uncertain show and the security situation was deteriorating rapidly, but i allowed myself as i think many people did at the time to feel hopeful for the country and since that time a lot of the people that were on the show are
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no longer with us. >> because they got caught up in the violence? >> or perpetrated themselves. a very complicated story, and even more complicated that i thought in retrospect but it was a hopeful time. >> when we set out on the project in dell seugstkel television you set out with one goal and often these things take on a life of their own. how far apart are those two visions a reality? >> i love being proven wrong, and i love to go into a place and -- i don't mind looking like a fool on television, and i like to think it's going to be one way and it is turned upside down, and sometimes not knowing what to think of the place. iran i think it was the split, the dichotomy between what we
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see in the foreign policy and what it is like walking the streets of tehran. very hard to reconcile. >> that's what makes it so great to watch. >> and there's such a through line between what cnn does and what tony does and when you are on scene on location nothing brings home the experience for you, and you get to share a meal and everybody winds up being more clear. >> you boiled it down to ten of your favorite shows. we would like to see all of them again, but you can't. you have to choose. vote for the episode you want to see air before the season of "parts unknown" premiers. you can watch both of those episodes on cnn. >> thank you so much. no it was not the affects of weed 3 that made you think those were different people and what you are looking at now is a special daughter who is getting
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"the good stuff is too good for me," and so christine romans has this. >> we met an extraordinary young woman, and she was buried under thousands in student loan debt but the cosigner on her loan was her father michael, a marine, and when he died in afghanistan she was left with a broken heart and a pile of bills. >> he told me you know it would be okay that we would pay it off. being that he is not here them continuously calling, it's like you are not getting this money. >> so we published her story on cnn money and within hours the survivors group taps reached out to her and figured out how to clear her debt. they work with banks to get survivors' student loans forgiven. >> is she free and clear,
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54,000? >> completely. jpmorgan chase is forgiving it they have already done it. >> she also found out through this group, taps there are scholarships and programs for her to go and get a master's degree if she would like for free because of the debt we owe to her and her family, and not the other way around. >> good for you guys bringing that story. >> yeah. >> thank you for pushing it. it's nice the debt was forgiven. time for "newsroom" today, and debra in for carol costello. >> wouldn't it be great if all debt could be forgiven for these college students. they have a lot to carry. have a great morning and we will pick it up here. after that fatal shooting in oklahoma an explosive report on the volunteer deputy that pulled the trigger. were supervisors ordered to fudge

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