soldiers. let's get the late breaking details from details. >> he could face up to 38 years in prison if convicted of these charges. take a look at what he was planning. back from syria radicalized. and according to authorities with intent to kill. this man, a 23-year-old american, is in custody this morning. the fbi says he was hoping to do something big in the u.s. he left his hometown of columbus ohio in april of last year according to an indictment on a one-way ticket to athens greece. but he mefr boarded his connecting flight after stopping in istanbul turkey. instead, authorities say, an accomplice picked him up and drove him to a border town where he crossed over into syria. mohamud allegedly trained with terrorists in shooting weapons,
breaking into houses using explosives and hand-to-hand combat. officials did not say which group he trained with. two months into the military-type camp a cleric told mohamud to "return to the united states and carry out an act of terrorism" according to the indictment. in june now back at ohio the 23-year-old allegedly told others that he wanted to kill american soldiers execution-style at a military base in texas. and his backup plan was to attack a prison, specifically wanting to target armed forces including police officers. it's not clear just how far along any such plans were. mohamud expressing support for isis a full year prior to leaving for syria. uploading images of the terrorist group to his facebook page. >> as long as isis remains, as long as they are not defeated they're going to continue to inspire individuals like that to go join the jihad, get trained,
come back and pose a threat to west and to america. >> now, i spoke to his defense lawyer and he says he plans to plead not guilty today at the arraignment. but this is exactly the kind of scenario the fbi and other officials have warned about for some time chris. >> that's exactly right, atika. let's discuss the impact on national security. cnn national security analyst and former assistant secretary of the department of homeland security joins us. and mr. tom fun fuentes. thanks to both of you. juliet is this proof of a lapse in security or of a good catch by our security? >> well it's a combination of both -- >> no, it must be one, juliet. which is the more? >> the world is not black and white. i think it's a good catch. here's the thing, you have so much movement of people around the world. the idea you're going to stop
everyone every sociopath, every loner, from heading abroad before they get there is sort of ridiculous. but on the way back in terms of their travel and their intent the fbi's strategy now is clearly one that i call the don't go there strategy. in other words, even if the case is weak even if we don't have proof he was about to do something, they are bringing these cases. they've charged over 50 people here in the united states in the last year because the entry to isis is so low now that now the fbi's just simply saying even if you're thinking about doing something like this we're going to prosecute you first. we may lose the case that's okay. but we need to make a statement outside to the rest of the world and to the other losers and loners who might head over to syria that we're going to bring these cases early. >> what do you mean lose the case that's okay? what about balancing with liberty and not being afraid of foreigners, people want to travel the world and the
country's becoming more diverse all the time. >> well look you're allowed to travel the world all the time. you're allowed to do whatever you want. if you're going to get terrorism training from an organization and come back to the u.s. and express an intent to blow something up we're sort of beyond the civil liberties argument at this stage, chris. let me just tell you, when i say they're willing to lose the case in a normal criminal case you probably would not have brought charges in this case in against a number of these defendants. the fbi is simply lowering when they are going to bring these indictments. and i think they're making these very public arrests for that reason to say to everyone else we are going in strong and early. >> tom fuentes, what do you see when you look at the case profile of this guy the kind of training and what he represents as a threat? >> chris, he's the main kind of threat everybody's been worried about. it's not just somebody talking big here in the u.s. posting things on facebook of support
for isis or al qaeda or one of the other groups. this is someone who went and trained, helped his brother join him in syria and train. his brother was killed on the battlefield and he made all the postings about his brother. so he had the training and firearms explosives several other things that he indicated to authorities and came back with the intent to implement his training and use it to commit a terrorist act. so i think at this point, you know fortunately he was stopped. but this is the type of individual that they've worried about that might slip through the cracks. >> and do you see any trend emerging? the latest numbers that came out of government is that about 25% of people who are believed to have gone abroad to fight in terror activities have returned back. are we seeing more of it? what do you think? >> i think we are seeing more of it. we're seeing more people be recruited because the websites that are out there to recruit them are, you know better made more prolific. you know reaching more people globally including people here. and, you know that's the
problem. he's only been a u.s. naturalized citizen for a little over a year. so that gives him an american passport to travel around the world on and including come back to the u.s. and then after he got back and was interviewed by the fbi he lied that he had gone to syria when the investigation had already determined that he had. and then once in syria you have a buffet of terrorist organizations to choose from. al qaeda, nusra front, chors san group and isis. they're not saying positively which group he actually affiliated or trained with there, but certainly there's more than enough groups willing to train you. in this case the indictment is saying that he indicated a cleric in syria said okay, do your duty, go back to america and attack. >> tom raises a good point to button this up on, juliette we keep saying isis that is the hot button now. but terrorist has many names and
faces at this point. >> the idea there's this one group and it starts and stops here and then another group and another group, it's just not working out that way. terrorist groups are fighting over who they can get to recruit to their organization. and a lot of times they're sharing, it has a lot to do with access and accessibility of bringing americans or western europeans into their organizations. so it's just a brand new world and how we think about terrorist organizations from the time of 9/11 when al qaeda was a very insular group. you know you had to have fought in the afghan war to be a member. now it's amor fous sort of web of extremism. and that makes it a challenge who's going to get on a plane and join any number of these organizations. >> good news is if authorities are right we learned about this man's intentions before he got to act on them. tom, juliette thank you very much. poppy. fascinating discussion. also this we're following very closely.
loretta lynch's nomination as the next attorney general has been held up in the senate since november. now majority leader mitch mcconnell suggests the issue holding up a vote could soon be resolved. the historic delay, it really is historic and it has infuriated democrats. harry reid says he's prepared to force a vote if it doesn't happen soon. we're live from the white house this morning with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. some on capitol hill are calling this purgatory for loretta lynch. 160 days have gone by since she was first nominated. and as of now senators are heading home for the weekend without any agreement on moving forward. so it will at least be delayed until next week. this hold up of course is all about it being tangled with this controversial anti-human trafficking bill that has some controversial language on abortion that democrats are not happy with but there are some signs of progress democratic and republican sources tell us that there have been some room for compromise. they will tweak the language on
that abortion provision potentially becoming amenable to more democrats. senate mie majority leader mitch mcconnell says his plan is to move to get that bill out of the way and move toward loretta lynch's vote. there has been outrage growing by the day over this. the white house calling it shameful the hold up. and even potential 2016 republican candidates getting into the fray. >> i think presidents have the right to pick their team in general. if someone is supportive of the president's policies whether you agree with them or not, there should be some deference to the executive. we shouldn't -- this should not always be partisan. >> reporter: by cnn's count loretta lynch does have enough republican votes to secure her confirmation once this is voted on. but john there are a lot of ifs and maybes to make that happen next week. >> thanks so much. we have stunning allegations this morning from the tulsa county sheriff's office
following a report that training records were falsified for deputy robert bates after he killed a man during a sting. the accusation is the records were actually falsified years before the sting. nevertheless the sheriff's office now say these claims were made by a suspect, a former disgruntled employee who's now in jail for murder. state officials are now calling for an outside probe. this thing is a mess. let's get right to cnn's ed lavandera in tulsa with the latest. good morning, ed. >> reporter: good morning, john. well all these twists and turns are developing as state senator here in oklahoma's calling for an independent investigation of what's going on at the sheriff's department here in tulsa. other groups and agencies say they're monitoring the situation. and these developments saying the attorney general office here in oklahoma saying they are disturbed by these reports that perhaps the training records of 73-year-old reserve deputy robert bates were falsified. and a lot of questions swirling around whether or not he should have been working on the streets of tulsa.
but the sheriff's department here in tulsa, john going after those -- one of the possible sources for the newspaper report here in tulsa. listen to what a spokesperson from the sheriff's department said yesterday. >> first of all, you know that that is not any type of court-generated document. that is a made up document that was generated by somebody's computer signed off on a notary. notary sealed on the affidavit was done by one of the administrators at the mesa county jail. we know that the information contained in the affidavit would be the knowledge of somebody that is currently incarcerated at the county jail. >> reporter: and, chris, what he's referring to there is the statements that were perhaps made by a former sheriff's deputy employee as you heard the spokesperson there say facing murder charges. and that perhaps he was one of the sources for these stories. sheriff's department here going after the credibility of that source. so questions here swirling once again this morning, chris. >> uh-oh. we'll keep going. we still don't have a definitive
end. thank you, ed. so deputy's directing traffic in a louisiana school zone and he gets ambushed. officials say corporal burt hazel hazelton was attacked in an act of apparent road rage. he was shot after being called to the car by a deranged driver. the officer saw a gun and the driver presented it to him but then opened fire with a different weapon. he was able to return fire slowed the shooter, called for backup. he's in stable condition but being monitored closely. the suspect is in custody charges pending. turning to the middle east now where two critical u.s. allies are struggling to hold off rampaging extremists. isis forces in iraq threatening to take over the key city of ramadi. these are new images of families you can see them in droves fleeing for nearby baghdad. al qaeda has just seized control of a key airport in yemen. the u.n. now pledging $275 million to try to help as
america's new defense secretary concedes frankly there may not be much the u.s. can do at this point there. let's bring in cnn chief national security correspondent jim schutto. there's been so much talk about ramadi. it's strategically important. you have a u.s. official telling you they haven't seen anything to indicate it will fall. where do we stand? >> i'll tell you, this was a pretty sobering stark assessment to hear from the any defense secretary ashton carter and chairman general dempsey on ramadi granting the city may very well fall and making the case it's not strategically important. but you hear them on russia talking about foolish and reckless encounters in the air between russian and u.s. warplanes. and yemen, home based aqap one of the most severe terror threats to the u.s. homeland with aqap gaining territory. they took over an airport there
yesterday. and that has real implications for americans here at home. >> jim schutto, thank you very much. in our next hour we will discuss all of this also the impact on u.s. national security. samantha power, the u.s. ambassador to the united nations will be our guest coming up on the program. pope francis could be headed to cuba later this year. the vatican just announced the pontiff is considering adding a stop in cuba when he comes to the united states in september. no final decision has been made yet. pope francis really credited with helping the united states and havana re-establish ties by writing leaders of both countries and having the vatican host their delegations for the negotiations. he was key in that process. >> that will be a big deal him going down to cuba. be a big deal when he comes here to the u.s. as well. >> yeah. all right. so a big story we're following up on today. new developments the tulsa county sheriff's department as you saw they say training records of reserve deputy bates, the man who killed another by mistake, the records are not
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it may be siemantics the sheriff said they're lost. it means we're trying to figure out where all those training records are. you have to remember this goes back a long time. >> this story is certainly still developing. criticism from the tulsa county sheriff's office after a report from the tulsa world newspaper suggests that training records were falsified for their reserve deputy a man who shot and killed another man, eric harris during a sting on april 2nd. the sheriff's office along with bates' attorney are slamming the article accusing the reporters, my next guests of using an accused murderer with a grudge who is currently in jail as their source. here to back uch their claims
and talk about their reporting again ziva. you broke this story. i understand some sort of press conference was held last night with the sheriff's office. what can you report to us this morning? >> well, i met with him last night for about two hours. the question you know was brought up to them how they would respond to the allegations of those training records were falsified because on wednesday when we were writing that they didn't respond to our phone calls. they just said that they were still looking for the records. they don't know if they exist or not, that the records of his training sometimes are only given to the trainee and trainer. they don't know who trained him and he possibly might not have been trained at all because the sheriff could have waived those training hours. >> ziva it's important to point out this was a sting operation. this was set up -- they knew that this guy was trying to sell a gun, that he was a felon. and they set this up in a
particular location. that has new significance. >> correct, poppy. so our reporting we're going to have a story on this this weekend showed that the sting operation was conducted 700 feet from a school. the front door of the school faced the area where the sting operation was going on a dangerous felon with a gun. apparently the suspect suggested to the undercover officers meet in his apartment and for the officer's safety that was rejected. so then they chose this area in front of the school to conduct the operation. the superintendent of the school system said they were not notified. typically tulsa police do notify the schools in the area if something like that occurs so they can lockdown if there's someone with a gun. so it just raised a lot of questions. there was a dollar general store right there. so there's a lot of questions. >> so this raises bigger questions about the planning of the police department as a whole where they're going to bring a reserve deputy. but when we get back to the core of your reporting on this it is
the fact you allege that these records according to your source who you trust these were falsified, that he did not have nearly the 480 hours of training. that this is not a man, a 73-year-old man who should be on the streets with a gun enforcing the law. ultimately taking someone's life. i want you to listen to bob bates' attorney last night on erin burnett out front. he's what he said about your reporting. >> first of all, you know that is not any type of court-generated document. that's a made up document. >> i've seen the affidavit that was submitted. it's a redacted blacked out affidavit signed by a guy charged with first-degree murder in an adjoining county who hasn't worked at the sheriff's office in five years. i don't put a lot of stock in that report or the credibility of who would further that report. >> now, journalist to journalist i would never ask you to reveal your source. that said i'm going to ask you if you're comfortable answering
whether or not you have more than one source on this and if you do stand behind your source? >> we very firmly stand behind our sources. there were actually five we relied upon for this article as well as multiple documents including the affidavit. which by the way does name the two supervisors who say they were pressured to sign off on this training and then transfer it after they refused. the sheriff's office could merely ask their own supervisors whether this occurred make them available for an interview. they haven't done that. >> have you tried to contact these two supervisors since you have their names? >> i have. we feel more information will be forthcoming. in deputy bates statement he claimed to have training through the maricopa county sheriff's office. that training was not given. the sheriff's office said they had no record of it. there were two false statements as far as we can tell in his own affidavit which they allowed him to wait four days before he made his statement to investigators. >> were you able to talk to those supervisors who claim that
they falsified the records? or they wouldn't and therefore they were transferred. did they respond to you guys? >> no not yet. they still work for the sheriff's office. >> so let me ask you this dylan, in terms of the confusion over where this reserve deputy bates was trained, he had said he trained with the maricopa county sheriff's department in arizona, his lawyer clarifying that last night on erin burnett out front saying he attended a lecture held by the sheriff of maricopa county, sheriff. i want to play you something at the sheriff of the tulsa department he talks about the document that is fake and made up that is part of all these allegations. >> first of all, you know that that is not any type of court-generated document. that is a made up document generated by somebody's computer signed off on a notary. you're telling us you did something, why can't you tell us
who is the person on the affidavit so we can go back to try to confirm that information? >> does he have a point? >> i don't believe he does. what they're talking about is an affidavit that is notarized. all documents come from a computer of course. it's an affidavit that is notarized. we understand that it is being reviewed by federal law enforcement. they know who the deputies are that are identified in the affidavit. they work for them. it seems like they could just ask them. it's our understanding that this former employee of theirs who has been jailed on murder charges that before he was dismissed from the sheriff's office that he may have been the one to sign off on the training when the other supervisors refused. so i think the sheriff's office instead of criticizing our reporting might want to look at the actual allegations that underlie it. >> let me ask you this. >> can't really knock it down. >> ziva yesterday, and dylan feel free to jump in, ziva yesterday you told chris cuomo there are some records you can't discuss. is there anything more you can tell us about those records, how
critical they are to this investigation. and if not why that is that there are records out there that you've seen that you can't discuss? >> well we were actually asked not to discuss the affidavit itself in our story that was published yesterday. and now that you know it's sort of been publicly discussed by the sheriff's office it is out there. so i feel safe in you know discussing the affidavit. but the affidavit itself is what i was referring to. >> okay. okay. good to know. dylan, let me ask you this the oklahoma division of the naacp has come out with a statement this morning saying they are upset that the other officers involved in this incident have not been charged at all. we saw one sort of kneeling on the head of eric harris they say that is a violation of his rights. do you know from your reporting if they are looking at bringing any other charges in this? >> they said that they're internally reviewing that now to see if there will be any internal discipline. the district attorney's office
i don't think they're looking at charges on any of the other two officers that were seen in that video. but the sheriff's office said there may be some internal and may take a while to decide. >> do you have questions, being so close to this story, do you have questions about how other officers not just the reserve officer bates, acted in this situation? >> i think everyone did when we saw that video. i mean it just part of that early process of seeing that and being so caught off guard by how eric was treated after he was shot. i mean it caught everyone off guard. i think there are questions over if the way he was treated was appropriate. the sheriff's office response was that they didn't know he'd been shot, they were referring to other things. i don't know if those questions will ever be answered. >> another question is what happened to the video after it cuts off? they say the battery died at that precise moment. this was an operation that happened early in the morning. did they not have the battery charged, why. there's apparently another video, perhaps, the parking lot video from the security camera
that has not been released. we're still trying to figure that out. >> the sheriff's office addressed that last night said it was a grainy video from across the street, i think. >> what we doe know is the two of you will stay on the story for us. thank you so much. we appreciate it. imagine being trapped in a cargo hold of a passenger jet that's about to take off. this happened to an alaska airlines worker. and now we have the extraordinary 911 call that he made. >> i'm inside a plane, alaska airlines plane 448. >> are you by yourself or with somebody? [ inaudible ] when you're living with diabetes steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead.
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big development here. 23-year-old ohio man is in custody this morning charged with providing material support to terrorists. authorities say mohamud trained with terrorists in syria last year before returning to america on a mission to kill. according to an indictment he planned to kill soldiers at a
military base and a backup plan to attack a prison. this is the first case brought by the american government against an american for allegedly planning attacks here after training over there. big changes in security expected at the white house. the u.s. official tells us that temporary steel spikes will be added to the perimeter fence to help keep jumpers away. word of the move comes after several alarming incidents including one last september where a man jumped the white house fence and made it into the white house itself all the way to the east room. replacement fence is expected to be built next year. a new study out finding the number of teens using e-cigarettes tripled in the last year in this country. this comes from the centers for disease control. and it says high schoolers use the electronic cigarettes more than conventional tobacco cigarettes. remember no one under 18 is supposed to be smoking these. e-cigarettes don't contain tobacco. they do almost always have nicotine which can harm brain development in children.
and that is the big issue here. all right. so we are now hearing the 911 call from a seattle airport worker who fell asleep and ended uptaking off in a cargo hold of an alaska airlines jet. the emergency operator seemed to have trouble understanding that the panicked caller is actually stuck in the belly of a plane. take a listen. >> are you at the airport? >> i'm not at the airport. i feel like it's moving. [ inaudible ] >> are you by yourself or with somebody? >> by myself please. >> it is so bizarre and it's terrible. obviously the plane made an emergency landing. it's not obvious. actually luckily the pilots heard them. and after 14 minutes they wound up landing again. they were hearing banging coming from underneath the floor. the worker wasn't hurt amazingly, because that cargo hold was pressurized and temperature controlled. but he's banned from working on any alaska airlines flights. >> can you imagine waking up to
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senate minority leader harry reid is threatening to force a vote on president obama's nominee for attorney general, loretta lynch. she's been waiting 160 days for this senate vote but we should tell you there are signs that the block could be resolved soon. and perhaps as soon as next week there could be a vote. but, man, it's taken a long long time. joining us now, former senior adviser to president bill clinton and democratic strategist and also a republican strategist in the firm capital strategies p.r. richard, i just said there are indications from our senate folks at cnn that there may be a deal that would put a vote some time next week. barring that these thing haves a tendency to fall through. you think this has gone on an inexcusabley long time. >> the unfortunate part is the american people have been
waiting to have this woman confirmed, a career prosecutor an african-american woman who has been waiting for the longest time since seven attorney generals combined. and for absolutely no good reason. i mean the republicans are blocking her without any reason whatsoever. >> technically speaking the democrats are blocking a vote on a human trafficking bill because there is abortion language in that bill. democrats aren't allowing that vote the loretta lynch vote would have to come after. is this a fight worth having for the republicans? rudy giuliani who thinks president obama doesn't love america, giuliani loves loretta lynch. he calls her an extraordinary pick to be attorney general. so why not have the vote? >> look mitch mcconnell is well within his rights and job description to do this. this is the type of thing that happens all the time. the democrats and harry reid did this sort of thing all the time to republicans. in fact when he was majority leader they actually instituted rules that made it harder for the minority to block and
filibuster some lower level nominees. so this is him, you know yelling and screaming. >> does can mean should? he can do it should he? >> i think it's fine. i think it's going to have to be resolved at some point. the democrats screaming about the abortion language in this bill is basically the hyde amendment and been public since january. and they're acting like this was snuck in and we just found it. so there's some politics on both sides. much adieu about nothing. in terms of this nominee, yes, she's a strong nominee. when she reached the threshold of 51 it looked like this could be a done deal. however, very important position it's now come out just as of yesterday senator viter sent her a letter asking her what would you be willing to or would you commit to an investigation of hillary clinton e-mail scandal, which is very serious. that's not just partisan republicans saying it that's voters and the public when you look at the polls. and she wrote back yesterday and said you know i just don't have enough information so i can't commit to that. that might change a few votes.
this is a very important issue. >> if there's a vote which there isn't one yet because the whole thing is being held up. >> right. they want that 51%. senators need to be comfortable that to the degree possible this nominee would not be partisan would do her job. >> richard, on the subject of politics you think it's very important, crucial, inexcusable that there's not an up or down vote on loretta lynch because you think they're playing politics. how come there isn't an up or down vote on the human trafficking bill? how come that's not just as much politics. you don't have an answer for that. >> no i do have an answer. i'm glad sherry raises the issue of woman's right to choose and hillary clinton e-mails in this context. this is exactly what's happening. the republicans are playing politics with a career prosecutor who's been nominated for the most important law enforcement job in the world. and all of a sudden they've interconnected issues of a woman's right to choose and if hillary clinton's e-mails just as sherri said with this issue. point is this is a very important job.
this is a job that americans security and freedom depends upon this job. now, the ironic thing here is that republicans have complained for six years how horrible eric holder is and he's a partisan attorney general and now they're fighting to keep him. >> they're not fighting to keep him. >> the hatred of barack obama by these republicans is so without bounds that they have decided that they want to keep holder in there just to punish -- >> hang on one second. well, you know who thinks it might be bitter or getting tied up? it's jeb bush. jeb bush in new hampshire yesterday commenting on the loretta lynch vote. he thinks the vote should go forward. listen to what jeb said. >> i think presidents have the right to pick their team in general. the longer it takes to confirm her, the longer eric holder stays as attorney general. look at it that way. >> so republicans in the senate really don't like eric holder one bit, yet ironically their
inaction is keeping him in that attorney general's office more days. >> it is. i think loretta lynch will eventually be you know she'll be in. it's going to take a little while longer more questioning which the american people deserve. but i think it's the democrats who are playing politics. this is actually not about a woman's right to choose. this is about federal funding for abortion. let's not misrepresent what it is. it will be resolved. it's possible both sides are playing politics. but to say this is just republicans, no that's not true. i think we need to be sure about this nominee. i think senator vittert and others are doing the right thing to make sure to the degree possible she's not a partisan. >> i think it's more than possible both sides are playing politics. i think it's likely. thanks so much. chris. all right, j.b. good discussion there. so here's a big question what made the case against aaron hernandez for jurors? they gave their answer to cnn's anderson cooper exclusively. they say they faced a number of challenges in finding the former
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they deliberated for nearly 36 hours over seven days before deciding former nfl star aaron hernandez was guilty of first-degree murder. the jury foreperson says arriving at that verdict was by far the hardest thing she's ever done. now, she along with her fellow jurors spoke exclusively with cnn's anderson cooper about the trial, and most importantly, how they reached their verdict. >> so it wasn't premeditation? >> no. i can't say with 100% certainty that he premeditated that while i was sitting in that jury room
i can't say that. >> but you do see extreme atrocity or cruelty? >> i see extreme atrocity and cruelty. >> was it with the number of shots? >> it was his indifference. and that was part of what i had to look at. and it was, even if there was no premeditation, he could have made choices there when he was there. he was there. they admitted that. and he could have made different choices and he chose not to. >> i think one thing in that regard that surprised a lot of us was that indifference. we watched the video footage at his home later in the morning or early afternoon after the incident occurred. and he was just lounging around by the pool and playing with the baby and going about his regular life. i mean for us to acknowledge he was there at the time that his close friend was murdered, personally there's no way i could just carry on hours later
like nothing ever happened. that's indifference. >> so those videotapes in particular his own security camera tapes were crucial. >> hours later. >> definitely. >> but in the instructions we weren't asked to use that after the murder to weigh our decision. to leave your friend on the ground knowing that he's not there anymore. he's either dead or he's going to die, that's indifference. he didn't need to pull the trigger. he could have made different choices when that man was lying there. >> were there other signs to you of extreme cruelty? >> for me it was -- somebody had mentioned that well it was a gun. so for me trying to think about extreme cruelty, what are we talking about? are we talking about somebody physically cutting off someone's arm and letting them bleed to death? is that extreme cruelty?
or the fact for me it was a gun. you took a weapon, it didn't matter. you shot him once but you kept going and shot him six times. there's just no need for that. and no need to use a gun, period. no need to use a gun. for me personally it was about the gun. it was about taking that weapon knowing what you're going to do and shooting somebody and killing them. that's pretty cruel. >> do you feel like he did pull the trigger? or do you know? >> i don't know. there's no evidence to support that he pulled the trigger, but he chose not to do anything about it. and he's the one that had the -- exactly. in that moment is what i was looking at because that's what i was instructed to do in that moment. >> he played a role. >> yeah. >> whether he was a shooter or the transport, he played a role in that murder. and that's what he was charged with. >> i notice a couple of you have called him aaron. and i think people who haven't been on a jury don't understand
the intimacy that exists in a courtroom where somebody is sitting, you know a couple feet away from you. >> for three months every day. >> yeah. >> did you look at him a lot? did he look at you? >> yes. >> i did. >> you did? >> oh yeah. one time we made eye contact and he actually nodded to me at one time. you know it's hard. you come in that room every day and you see this person. and it's hard to come to that decision at the end because three months with them it's almost like you, you know they're part of you. and all of a sudden you've got to make that decision to either put him away or let him go. it's very hard. >> at the end of the day though you make sure you understand you didn't choose to make those decisions. you were just asked to decide if they were relevant. >> what stands out to you? >> look the jurors say that the defense admitted that aaron hernandez was there. the defense did that to offer the possibility he was there but didn't pull the trigger.
and it seems to have been a big mistake perhaps. >> and they say the fact that in opening statements the defense alleged he wasn't there. later in the trial says, all right, he was, but -- i think that change for them was a big deal. >> i think this was a great example of the humanity that is at play in a jury that often you don't suggest it's all about the documents and the clues and the gotcha and forensics. anderson did a great job of listening. the impact of i saw him every day was a part of me then i have to make this decision. >> and they understood the law too. the idea did he pull the trigger or not pull the trigger? he didn't have to pull the trigger to get convicted. they understood that. it's not an easy concept. >> but it's a very high barre. if you don't feel beyond a reasonable doubt that he pulled the trigger, if you don't field beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a premeditated evil plan the barre is now much higher for you to get over. it is interesting what they said they pointed to was the stuff that happened afterwards and his emotion. >> indifference. that word kept coming up.
>> what do you think? you know how to tweet us and facebook us. let's keep this conversation going because we just got great grist for the mail. big story this morning. a lot of news. so let's get to it. >> purgatory for loretta lynch. >> she's waited now more than twice as long as the previous seven attorney general nominees combined. >> presidents have the right to pick their team. >> terrorism here at home. >> 23-year-old from columbus ohio. >> he left the united states last year to go join the al nusra front in syria. >> on the brink of falling punishing assault on ramadi. >> this is a test of the new government in baghdad. >> it won't be the end of a campaign. >> those pleas for help from the civilians, the commanders cannot be ignored. >> the 73-year-old robert bates mantd have been telling the full truth about his training. >> he provided service, he made an honest mistake. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and
michaela pereira. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." alisyn and michaela are off. poppy and john are here with me this morning. loretta lynch, you know the name. she would make history as the first african-american to serve as attorney general. she's already made history in the wrong way for how long she's had to wait for a vote, 160 days and counting. that is longer than the last seven nominees combined. >> the fight over lynch's stalled nomination is heating up. it may come to a head next week in the senate. the democratic leader of that chamber threatening to force a vote to force washington's hand. we're joined from the white house this morning. i guess if you look technically at the rules, he can do that. >> reporter: that's right. and, you know he's one of the people on capitol hill harry reid saying that loretta lynch is in purgatory over this hold up. now, poppy, we know this hold up will at least continue into next week. but there are some small signs of progress.
democratic and republican sources telling us that they are close to reaching a compromise on this other unrelated issue, the human trafficking bill that's standing in loretta lynch's way. they believe that they can tweak some of the language to make the anti-abortion -- the abortion language there more amenable to democrats. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell saying he plans to move on that vote likely early next week. and then continue onto lynch. but the controversy over this hold up has really been brewing. the white house calling it shameful. >> so she's waited now more than twice as long as the previous seven attorneys general nominees combined to get a vote on the floor of the united states senate. that is an uncon shenable delay and no excuse or explanation for it. >> reporter: and by cnn's count lynch does have enough republican votes to move forward to confirmation if it moves forward to a vote next week chris. but that's a lot of ifs, that's
a lot of maybes. >> that's a lot of washington right there. thank you very much. in other news an alleged terror plot by a home grown terrorist stopped. according to authorities a 23-year-old ohio man traveled to syria to train with extremists last year then returned to america to kill u.s. soldiers. this ties into the danger that seems ever present in the middle east where two key u.s. allies are struggling to keep terrorist forces at bay. we have every angle of the story covered. let's start with cnn's atika shubert. >> this is the first time an american citizen has actually been charged not only with going to syria but returning to -- with a plan to attack u.s. citizens. take a look. back from syria radicalized. and according to authorities with intent to kill. this man, a 23-year-old american is in custody this morning. the fbi says he was hoping to do something big in the u.s.
mohamud left his hometown of columbus ohio in april last year according to an indictment on a one-way ticket to athens greece. but he never boarded his flight after stopping in istanbul. instead an accomplice picked him up and drove him to a border tone where he crossed over into syria. mohamud allegedly trained with terrorists shooting weapons, breaking into houses using explosives and hand-to-hand combat. officials did not say which group he trained with. two months into the military-type camp a cleric told mohamud to "return to the united states and carry out an act of terrorism" according to the indictment. in june now back in ohio the 23-year-old allegedly told others that he wanted to kill american soldiers execution style at a military base in
texas. and his backup plan was to attack a prison specifically wanting to target armed forces including police officers. it's not clear just how far along any such plans were. mohamud expressing support for isis on social media a full year prior to leaving for syria, officials say. uploading images of the terrorist group to his facebook page. >> as long as isis remains, as long as they are not defeated they're going to continue to inspire individuals like that to go join the jihad, get trained, come back and pose a threat to west and to america. >> now, he faces three counts. one of aiding terrorist individuals, also a terrorist organization and for giving false information to the fbi. all of which could get him a maximum of 38 years in prison. i did speak to his defense lawyer however, and he says today his client will plead not guilty to all three charges, poppy. >> atika shubert, thanks for the reporting this morning. we'll continue to follow this story. also right now isis fighters
in iraq are threatening to overrun the city of ramadi. these are new images just into us this morning. what you see is families in droves trying to flee that city hoping to find some sort of safe haven in baghdad. and in yemen al qaeda forces have just seized control of the key airport there. america's new defense secretary conceding the options that the u.s. has to stop these terrorists may be limited. let's bring in cnn chief national security correspondent jim schutto. it's troubling to hear that from ash carter. >> no question. this was a sobering assessment on iraq. you heard general dempsey basically granting that isis is going to take the largest city in western iraq anbar province 60 miles from baghdad. then in yemen you have aqap advancing there taking territory. they took over an airport yesterday. this is not just something happening thousands of miles away because aqap direct threat to americans and the u.s. homeland deep implications for
americans here at home. fighters from the most dangerous al qaeda affiliate, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, overrunning an airport in southeastern yemen. chaos engulfing the lawless country with deep implications for safety on the u.s. homeland. the new american defense secretary conceded that the fall of the u.s. allied government the withdrawal of u.s. special forces and the closing of the u.s. embassy in yemen have all reduced america's ability to fight the terror threat. >> it's hard to imagine for people at home to imagine there's the same control and response. >> it's easier if there's a government with which we can cooperate in existence in that country. we're not going to find that all the time in all places in the world. and that's why we have counterterrorism capabilities that don't depend upon that. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: in iraq it is the terror group isis that is on the advance with a punishing assault on ramadi. iraqi officials inside western
iraq's largest city tell cnn it is on the brink of falling to the terror group. today, joint chiefs chairman general martin dempsey conceded that iraqi forces may very well lose ramadi to isis. >> i would much rather that ramadi not fall but it won't be the end of a campaign should it fall. we got to get it back. >> reporter: coalition air strikes on thursday appear to have cut some resupply routes used by isis. but residents have given up on rescue. tens of thousands having fled the city in just two days. range of motion di is in iraq's sunni heartland. today the new defense secretary ashton carter expressed concern that the iraqi government is still relying too much on shiite-dominated militias. >> a lasting victory over isil requires inclusive governance in baghdad and respect for local populations in all areas liberated from isil control. >> reporter: another thing on the defense secretary's agenda iran. we pressed him on russia's sale
of advanced missiles to iran. this in the midst of the sensitive nuclear negotiations. he says there's still military options on the table for the u.s. with regards to iran's nuclear program. and they say that those plans are in the words of general dempsey, in tact, even with this russian missile sale. so chris, it appears they've factored in these missiles to any possibility of a u.s. strike on iranian nuclear facilities if the negotiations fail if that becomes a possibility. but of course it's a very busy agenda now for the u.s. defense secretary with hot spots in so many parts of the world, chris. >> seems more unsafe than safe spots right now, thank you very much. appreciate the reporting. let's discuss, mike rogers cnn national security commentator, former chair of the house intelligence committee. it is good to have you. where do we start, chairman? let's start with the arrest that we just had. do you see this new approach by the fbi, which julia called don't go there lowering the barre, that if you're traveling
abroad we're going to bring cases more aggressively in the united states. do you like that move and why? >> well i think it's an important step. it is by mean no means the best tool we have he was not getting dropped off in istanbul he was going onto greece. it would have been hard to determine he left his original flight plan in the middle of it in order to get to syria. so they're already, they being those who are going to be commit today go and get trained those people in the pipeline have already decided they're going to be se repetitious -- stop the recruiting happening in the united states and really western europe australia, canada all of those countries are now serious targets for recruits. just like this. that makes their job pretty difficult. >> all right. so we're going from the demands side right, these kinds of
guys lone wolves men and women, to the supply. when you look at that entire region of the world, syria, iraq iran ostensibly yemen, it seems whatever the u.s. strategy was it's not working anywhere. can you tell me that's not a cynical assessment? >> well i don't think it is. but if we recall a lot of people including me at the time saying you have to intervene a little bit, not with big u.s. troops but early onto stop the rising tide. none of that happened. if you recall the policy at the time was we're not going to do anything and let it take care of itself. well it's taking care of itself in the wrong direction. now you have shia fighters direct fighting in iraq. this is creating a problem with the sunnis abandoning their post in places like iraq. there's some talk that some of the sunni tribal leaders voluntarily let the port in the south go because they were
worried about the houthis. we are going to have to regain control or you're going to have all of it in flames for some period of time. and that does impact the united states. and with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula having safe haven and access now to if reports are true access to oil sales, even black market oil sales in the south, that means they have cash to do operations in al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is the one affiliate of al qaeda that wants to strike the united states. so it's very serious. >> creeping up like a tornado maybe, right? i mean there's nothing subtle about this situation. you're fighting shias in one place with a group of allies fighting sunnis in another with a different group of allies. and then there's some overlap. and you know what all this begs? where the heck is congress on the vote for the aumf? how do you look at this situation? you're not there anymore, lucky for you because i'd be all over you this morning. how are they not holding hearings on this? what matters more right now?
>> i could not agree with you more. as a matter of fact i called for this last year. there was many members who were saying we better do this back last year when this problem started to brew. now, i don't believe it stops the administration from making certain decisions, but i do think you absolutely need congressional approval to continue a fight that's not going to be as perfect as people would like it to be. >> perfect as people would like it. >> if you're going to send those soldiers -- exactly. >> you have the advisers there. it's not working. this congress loves to check the president and says he's going by himself too much on things. they sue him for it. civilly, right? but they're not meeting and debating this? is that not a breach of the responsibility of the representatives and senators in congress? >> well again, i know they've got a lot on their plate. i will say this, it's very clear in the constitution that this is one of the things they're supposed to do. i completely agree they should be doing this. this should never have been a
squabble about what the aumf looks like. this is a very clear issue that should be bipartisan and it should be done yesterday. it helps the pentagon and the president in his decisions and certainly helps congressional oversight of these things which should happen as well. they absolutely should do this. i would argue it should be a priority. it is falling apart around us. and with what you saw happen in ohio that was our biggest fear that these people with western passports are going to get trained and come home to conduct acts of terror. this is just one individual out of thousands we believe have western passports. that is a huge problem. we have to do something about it. congress should act absolutely. >> right. well former chairman rogers wish you were still there because you'd be pushing for action on this. but it's great to have you with us to help us understand it better. have a good weekend, sir. >> thanks chris. the strategy part of it is what we're doing with the u.n. right? we're going to get some accountability going. later this hour we're going to discuss all with u.s. ambassador
to the united nations samantha power. john. thanks chris. happening now, the big political push in new hampshire. jeb bush has not declared his intention to run for president yet, but you know the saying if it walks like a duck and campaigns like a duck. today, bush will be the first in the nation republican leadership summit with other big-name contenders those who've announced and otherwise. cnn's athena jones live in new hampshire with the latest. good morning, athena. >> reporter: good morning, john. well before the former governor heads to that big summit he'll be speaking here next hour at a politics and eggs breakfast. just up the road last night he spoke at a politics and pies event. apparently folks around here like their politics with food. bush spoke about something we've all been talking about which is how to counter this idea of a political dynasty, especially since if he wins the nomination he could be up against hillary clinton, another political dynasty. here's what we had to say last night. >> i have to show that i have
the leadership skills not just to yap about it but to do it. and if i do that then the bush dynasty thing and the clinton-bush deal all that stuff subsides. that's my plan. you got a better one, let me know. >> so there he was speaking frankly about that challenge. and frankly speaking this is a state that's important to republicans and of course important to jeb bush. it hasn't always been kind to his family. you'll remember that george w. his brother, lost to senator john mccain here in 2000. and his father had a tough fight to win here back in 1988. but this is also a state where the republican voters are more moderate than in a place like say iowa. they're more like general election voters. and bush is someone who has argued he wants to make a general election campaign from the start. so he has to do well here eating pies eating eggs and connecting with voters. poppy. >> i wish i had your assignment. i wish i was eating pies and eggs with them. sounds pretty good to me this
friday morning. athena jones, thank you very much. we appreciate it. switching gears here this morning, the tulsa sheriff's office pushing back against a new report that deputy robert bates' training records were falsified. officials say they suspect the claims were made by a former disgruntled employee who's now in jail. this man, accused of murder. but the reporters who wrote the story tell us here at "new day" they had five sources on that story. and they are sticking with their reporting. bates is charged with second-degree manslaughter after this happened on april 2nd gunning down a black man in a sting operation. he said he mistook his gun for a taser. major world powers will try to shore up a nuclear deal with iran starting next week. that's when the next round happens in this meeting between the european union senior negotiator and iran's deputy foreign minister. that will be happening in vienna on wednesday. a final agreement, remember is due by the end of june. the parents of the youngest victim killed in the boston marathon bombing is asking
prosecutors to take the death penalty off the table. bill and denise richard writing in an op-ed in the boston globe in honor of their 8-year-old son martin. they are asking the u.s. attorney to offer convicted bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev life in prison without parole in exchange for waiving any appeals. look at what they write. we hope our two remaining children do not have to grow up with the lingering painful reminder of what the defendant took from them which years of appeals would undoubtedly bring. you know it's interesting, this is a very emotional op-ed they have written this morning. they do not mention dzhokhar tsarnaev by name. >> just like after the bombing when it was people didn't want to say the names, just focus on the victims and healing for the city of boston. >> it publicizing what they did. >> sure. >> gives them some kind of a perverse glory. they make a point. the death penalty is going to take a very long time. it will make this man relevant in a way that their kids will be aware of. >> counselor, can i come up in
sentencing? can the desires of the parents of the victim be raised in sentencing by the defense? >> oh sure. because you have victim impact statements. >> so they could come to the court. >> that could sway the jury. >> absolutely it could. remember where this jury is your home state massachusetts, even though it's a federal case. so don't have death penalty as state law. >> also a pretty horrible case. absolutely. also coming up we're going to talk more about the tulsa reserve deputy who fatally shot a suspect instead of using his taser. did robert bates even have the training he needed to have a gun to be on the street to carry out this operation? what do the records show and what does the victim's family think? their attorney joins us next. headache? motrin helps you be an unstoppable, let's-rock-this-concert- like-it's-1999 kind of mom. when pain tries to stop you, there's motrin. motrin works fast to stop pain where it starts. make it happen with new motrin liquid gels.
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first of all, you know that that is not any type of court-generated document. that is a madeup document that was generated by somebody's computer signed off on a notary. they're telling us we did something, why can't you tell us who is the person on the affidavit so we can go back to try to confirm that information? >> fallout this morning from the reports suggesting training records were falsified for robert bates, the reserve deputy who shot and killed eric harris during a sting operation in tulsa. bates' attorney and the sheriff's office are pushing back hard accusing those reporters of using an accused murderer with a grudge as their source. but those reporters say they have five sources and they are
standing by their story. so what does the victim's family think in all of this? because it is about the victim eric harris. donald smulen, an attorney for the harris family joins us now. thank you for being with me sir. i appreciate it. i want to begin with news just in to us here at cnn. robert bates was just on "today" and he told matt lauer let me apologize to eric harris's family swearing this was a mistake. your reaction to that? >> well i think that's a long time coming. it's unfortunate that it didn't come before now. >> so just to be clear here the harris family you, anyone representing them have heard nothing at all from bates or in terms of any sort of apology? >> absolutely nothing. >> also on the show on the "today" show he was asked to point out where his taser is and where his gun is held when he's patrolling. it's very clear they're held in
very different locations. and he showed that on his body. any reaction to that? >> well i think that's consistent with our belief that this whole slip and capture phenomenon is just a red herring. >> how's the family doing? how's the family your clients, how are they doing after this loss? >> they're exhausted. i think they're emotionally drained, understandably. but they're a tight family. they're a tight unit. and they're just looking for some good to come out of this. >> when you look at what we're hearing from bates' attorney and also the sheriff's office they're saying that these reports that have been coming out in the tulsa world newspaper that say, look robert bates did not have the necessary training he needed records saying he did were actually falsified. they are saying look at the sourcing of this. this is all coming from an accused murderer who's sitting in jail who's a disgruntled employee who wants to make the
offense, the sheriff's office look bad. those reporters told me this morning they have five different sources on this. what's your reaction to what we're hearing from the sheriff's office and bates' own attorney? >> well we have our own sources, both former and current employees of the tulsa county sheriff's department that have confirmed the falsification of these records. falsification of records is kind of the m.o. of the tulsa county sheriff's department. there's other federal litigation going on right now in front of the federal judge where falsifications of medical records has come up as part of an -- >> let's stay focused on this case sir. because i don't have the sheriff's office with me to defend themselves on that one. let's stay focused on this case. >> okay. sure. >> so i do want you to listen to robert bates' attorney and what he said in terms of attacking the reports here that his client did not have the proper training for all this.
listen. >> well, i've seen the affidavit that was submitted. it's a redacted blacked out affidavit signed by a guy charged with first-degree murder in an adjoining county who hasn't worked at the sheriff's office in five years. i don't put a lot of stock in that report or the credibility of who would further that report. >> you said you have your own sources. it sounds like separate even from the tulsa world paper. can you share with us any of their names, their positions, what they've said to you? >> no because of concerns over their safety and the fact that they're still employed with the tulsa county sheriff's department they've asked us to keep their names out of this. >> any former employees? you mentioned former. >> again, for safety purposes we're not disclosing any of that at this time. >> let me ask you this we know at this point robert bates is charged with second-degree
manslaughter. his attorney says this is not guilty this is excusable homicide. in your eyes we know it's still early going, we understand there may be videotape we haven't seen yet. is there any way that this is excusable homicide and a horrific accident? >> absolutely not. i think when you look at the lack of training that's been able to be substantiated in this case coupled with this gentleman's age and his capacity as a reserve officer there's no way this is excusable in any way. >> you bring up age of course because reflexes change with age. you're talking about a 73-year-old here. thank you, sir, for joining us here on "new day." i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> john. thanks poppy. jeb bush all but announced as a republican candidate for president weighing in now on the long-delayed confirmation of loretta lynch to be attorney general. so what did he say? this might surprise you. we have the details ahead when we go inside politics.
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nominated to be the next attorney general, that's longer than the last seven nominees combined. and the fight over the delay really heating up. the senate minority leader harry reid says he will force a vote if it is delayed any longer. now, some hope though may be on the horizon. here to weigh in on all this cnn chief national correspondent jorn king for this morning's edition of inside politics which went outside the beltway today and right here on to the "new day" set. >> right here. >> welcome to the party. >> thank you very much. i thought you needed some help. >> with these two? >> interesting discussion on loretta lynch. they're fighting about it in washington minority leader majority leader white house all fighting. but jeb bush who wants to be the next president even though he hasn't outright said it yet, campaigning in new hampshire says there should be a vote. listen to what he says. >> i think presidents have the right to pick their team. in general. the longer it takes to confirm
her, the longer eric holder stays as attorney general. look at it that way. >> so he covers both bases there. the last part the longer you wait to vote for her, the longer eric holder stays because the republican base doesn't like eric holder. they've been fighting with eric holder since day one. he covers his conservative hide. that's the reflex of a, a governor chief set to get his team. number two, his brother and dad were president. they've been through this. george w. bush went through this with the democrats. remember this is not new. democrats have done this to republicans and now republicans are saying you were jerks to us we're going to be bigger jerks to you. >> well that's not the way to run washington especially with this job. i'm not delineating between cabinet jobs fight ore taxes health care anything you want. but this is the nation's number one law enforcement officer at the time when we have ferguson tulsa, anywhere else all this big conversation about police and the minority community. there's a task force set up. whoever the attorney general is has a pretty big job.
>> how is it hurting though? >> well that's the question. there's two republican parties right now. if you're mitch mcconnell or john boehner on different issues they make the base happy because they're sticking it to obama. the base loves it. if you're jeb bush or any republicans want to be president, look at the demographics of this country. we had this conversation about wayne lapierre the other day, she would be the first female african-american attorney general. the republicans can't win a presidential election if they don't get more african-american votes and more latino votes and more college-educated women than they have in the last two elections. so you have two republican parties. if they want to stay a congressional party, then keep doing this. but the big house at 1600 pennsylvania avenue gets a lot harder to win. >> harry reid said if he within maybe days or a week that he will force the hand here. that he will use the technical ability that he has to force the hand here. tell us about the tactic would it work and how unprecedented would it be to use this to force a vote? >> on an attorney general nomination it's probably unprecedented.
he has parliamentary skills where he can bring it up when they want to vote on something, he can step up and force the republicans to block him. he probably can't get her confirm confirmed, but he can get the republicans to vote no to bring her up. what he's said is you guys won the election, and mitch mcconnell has to harry reid on some issues they've tried to be nice and have a relationship. he's been the leader but now he says i'm fed up. that's a great point for the liberal base why hasn't he done it beforehand. >> it's senate tradition. >> it is senate tradition you let the party in power run the senate. so protocol. but chuck grassley is the chairman of the judiciary committee, he's up in 2016. can democrats find a viable candidate? democrats had a hard time finding a candidate in 2014. who knows if they can find one in 2016. iowa has gone blue in recent presidential elections. now the white house and harry reid are essentially threatening chuck grassley. chuck grassley is doing what his
leader mitch mcconnell tells him what to do we're going to wait until we do this trafficking bill. >> they're going to pay a price though. if they're not paying a price, it's not going to happen. look at the aumf the authorization of use of military force. the world is falling apart. that's not an exaggeration. they're not debating it, but there's no real penalty so why act? >> let's listen to what the white house had to say to grassley. let's play that sound. >> i have to prove that i'm not running for president if i go beyond the consideration of this to be an active candidate trying to break the tie -- >> that in my mind is an astounding display of duplicity. the sad part i think, is that senator grassley particularly in his home state of iowa has cultivated a reputation as somebody who is true to his word. and i think the only conclusion i can draw from this astounding exchange is that it's possible that senator grassley's been in washington for too long.
>> see there that's josh earnest bringing 2016 and chuck grassley into the equation at the end here. we're seeing more and more of that from the white house podium them talking about the next election coming up as president obama goes out and promising to use their power. there was a thought the president might hurry. name somebody while the democrats are still in charge in the lame duck session before the end of the year. and chuck grassley did say at the time please wait that's not right, senate protocol. we're going to be in the majority let us do the nomination we'll do it quickly. now he says why didn't you do it when you had the democratic pourer? the white house is right to call him out, but if that's what we're going to do every day find this aha, aha, aha, let's have a government. to your point the american people decided several years ago washington doesn't work. so part politicians on both sides are not paying attention and the american people don't think this matters because they think washington is broken. that's a problem. >> we give you a quick teaser right there of jeb bush talking about the idea of political dynasties. it's a question he's going to have to answer almost every day that he's on the campaign trail
for the next 500 days. he was asked about dynasties. let's listen quickly to what he said about that. >> i have to prove that i'm not running for president if i go beyond a consideration of this to be an active candidate trying to break the tie between the addams family and the bush family. that's not my -- [ laughter ] >> really isn't my motivation. first and foremost i have to show my heart. secondly i have to show i have ideas that make it possible for america to rise up again. and third, i have to show that i have the leadership skills not just to yap about it but to do it. and if i do that then the bush dynasty thing and the clinton-bush deal all that stuff subsides. that's my plan. if you got a better one let me know. >> yes, it's a high barre, but yes. >> he'd like another way around this but it is what it is. the name bush -- first he has to become the republican nominee. the name bush among conservative activists forgive me it is a
four-letter word. george w. bush a lot of republicans he mismanaged the iraq war, medicare part b, no child left behind a big government conservative. jeb bush has the legacy of his family to worry about in the republican primary before worrying about convincing a general electorate if you need another bush in the white house. humor is probably the best way to go at it and raise a boat load of dimes and hope to win the nomination. >> john king thanks so much. you can get more of this on inside politics with john king this weekend. that's sunday 8:30 a.m. eastern time. do not miss it. isis in iraq al qaeda in yemen, what can the international community do to stop rampaging terrorists? we are going to talk one-on-one with the u.s. ambassador to the united nations samantha power here with us in studio next. when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about.
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families fleeing the city for their lives all choked by traffic and really nowhere to go. they're on their way to baghdad. so let's discuss the crisis in yemen, conflict in syria, what's going on really in so many hot spots with samantha power. she is the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. did you ever imagine that the job would become as complex and as fraught with problems as it is? >> we're missing the locusts. it's a question when the locusts will arrive. >> right? >> no. it's a time of turmoil, it's a fluid time but particularly as it relates to isis we're in a much stronger position than we were in a year ago. we're chipping away. >> we need confidence in that ambassador. people looking at the maps and watching the show they're moving all over the place, the iraqis need our help and we can't help and where's the coalition. where's the biggest challenge? >> the big problem is the weak states that don't have the security institutions required
to defend off these terrorists on their own. it is a long-term investment. now we're trying different models national guard, much more decentralized models where sunni tribes again will protect their own communities in a way that would then make isil also less appealing to them because of course isil actually got some support at the start of this whole effort. if you look in iraq at the population centers that isil controls when this campaign started back in july when the president ordered trainers and advisers to go. isil now controls 25% fewer or 25% less territory than they did back then. so there will be back and forth. and there will be incidents. and isil is so monstrous that they will gather headlines around the world. but as the president said from the beginning this is a multi-year campaign. and it really does rely over time on the iraqis stepping up and being able to do this for itself. you will see instances where they move into retreat, but elsewhere in iraq you see them on the offense and isil the
ones in their caravans heading out. >> that becomes the consideration. are you reducing the threat or moveingeing the threat? feel free to put up the map as we discuss, you don't need to see our faces the whole time. the situation in ramadi. we hear general dempsey say we'd rather them not take it we have to get it back. this is a big city what is it 70 miles outside baghdad, 150,000. that's a real population center. and now they're going to take it. it kind of speaks to is this the u.s.'s fault? no but people are criticizing you both ways. you didn't do enough last time. and you let this lay by itself for too long this time. fair criticism? >> i don't think so. i think what we did was we trained the iraqis we supported them over the course of a decade. they assured us that their security preparation was sufficient. and then isil gathered more momentum more quickly i think than a lot of people
anticipated. so now again i think the important thing is to focus on the future. the revenues that isil had access to a year ago have been obliterated. the oil installations and so forth, they were just trading. that's gone. the flow of foreign terrorist fighters to iraq and syria we are curbing. it is a slow process. we need to do much more of course in social media and people within these communities need to be the ones again contesting this horrific -- >> not the u.s. you don't see it more likely u.s. men and women on the ground fighting? >> no i think the way this works over time and i stress it will take time is that the communities that are every bit as horrified, more horrified because it's their women and children who are being enslaved or raped or their men who are being beheaded or unearthed in mass graves those are the people repulsed by this ideology. and those are the people going to step up. and we need to ensure that they have the resources and capabilities to do so. >> thus far that seems to be a very strained effort.
>> slow. >> i know you want to ask for the allies to come together to help with one of the it's really become like a small city right? it was a refugee camp largely palestinian. they're getting horrible things done to them. largely by isis. you're asking for a coalition to gt in there and help. but who can use diplomacy with isis? how is that going to help ambassador? >> well just to focus on -- i'm very glad you raised it because it's maybe not getting enough attention internationally. here you have more than 10,000 palestinian refugees who have lived in syria, this used to be a camp of hundreds of thousands. and by camp it's really a small community. looks almost like a town. and it's being barrel bombed by the regime. it's being starved. and, yes, now isil has a foothold. it just underscores in syria beyond the isil threat how important it is to get a political solution so that state institutions reformed and purged of some of these individuals who have gassed their own people and fired
barrel bombs regularly on civilians, can team up with some of the moderate opposition to go after terrorists. but, yes, you can't negotiate with isil. >> it's not about a resolution to condemn it. i guess you'd have to be saying we need to get people together to go there and fight them and deal with what's going on in syria. and of course like six different places. >> the model is similar in iraq and syria with one critical difference. it's similar in so far as it's going to be local people who take the fight and put their troops on the ground. again, it's going to take time for those forces to congeal, but they are the ones going to need to win this fight and there needs to be a military component. the critical difference is in iraq we're working with the national government prime minister abadi just in washington strengthening national forces in syria. assad is the reason isil was able to establish the foothold it did. every day that he's in power more people flow to syria in
order to take up the fight. he's a recruiting mine field for isil. and so it requires actually building out opposition forces. and that's why the president has initiated this train and equip program, which again over time will ensure that there are forces on the ground to fight isil in those places. >> what is your thought about congress not debating not moving on the aumf the authorization for the use of military force at this time? when the strategy is what it is it does not seem to be a productive world environment, what is your message to them about getting together and debating what we're doing and finding out what works and finding out what doesn't and coming to a vote? >> well i think as president obama has the legal authority he needs to carry out the mission that we're embarked upon. but we are always stronger as a country when we can show all parts of our government in a bipartisan manner are supporting our troops and our trainers and so forth throughout in the
field. so we're still hopeful people can come together. there are different polls to the debate but there is a sort of center of people and we would hope it would get that's how you are. but when you look at the world environment that the united states and others are trying to help control, has it been worse in recent history than it is right now? >> i think, again, if we were talking about during the cold war and our kids were being trained and kind of duck into their basements, that would have felt intense and out of control as well, and what is different now is the defuseness of the threat, and that's what makes people feel overwhelmed, and the spread's speech it's important and it's going to take time we strengthen national securities
and border securities and -- >> i get it but do you see any proof it's paying off? >> i do absolutely. you see some of the recruitment we are doing for the syria training and people flocking to that because they want to be part of isil. and it's an important piece to stress there has to be a governance component -- >> a lot of these states are very weak. >> and a lot of the citizens are alienated. it's not simple or smoothing the moment we are in right now, and it's a question moving out on the military on the training and finance, and a lot of elements that have to be brought to bear at once. >> thank you for coming to "new day" and understanding the mission. >> thank you.
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>> al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, mostly unopposed. >> they have taken the third largest airport in yemen. >> murder in the first degree. >> they are wrong. >> you have to make the decision to put him away or let him go. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, and michaela. >> we have history of the wrong kind being made. loretta lynch is still waiting on the vote on whether or not she will be the first avenue african-american attorney general in history. >> this hold up will continue until next week and there are
small signs of progress. sources from both sides tell us there are areas of compromise they are working on with this other unrelated bill standing in loretta lynch's way, and that's the bill on anti-human trafficking. mitch mcconnell says he intends to move to the trafficking bill next week and then that would pave the way for loretta lynch to finally get her vote. the white house, meanwhile, they have been combative increasing the rhetoric calling this delay shameful. >> she has waited twice as long as the previous seven attorneys general combined to get a vote on the floor of the united states senate. that is an unconscionable delay and there is no excuse or explanation for it. >> and lynch does have enough republican support to potentially gain confirmation if it's held to a vote next week
but there are a lot of ifs there next week. >> thank you. let's talk about what is stalled in congress and what congress is choosing to do with its time. with texas republican representative kevin brady, the vice chair of the joint economic committee and authored two tax bills that passed the houses and one would repeal entirely the estate tax which he is calling the death tax, and president obama threatening to veto both measures. welcome on "new day." let's start what you are not doing down there. do you believe the senate should have the vote on loretta lynch? do you think it's the right thing to do? >> at the end of the day they will have a vote on her. i think they ought to have the right to examine her positions, her views, and the attorney general's office it used to be
an independent office that used to informenforce the law, and i think at the right time they will get it done. >> even rudy guiliani says she is an excellent -- >> this is the top law enforcement officer in the country and taking over we think, a very troubled agency and a lot of americans don't believe it stands up for them. i think it's right to have the deliberations. >> have the deliberations and hearings and have it out, and that would be the point. same thing, you look around the world, and you know better than i do we have big problems in a lot of different areas and the strategy is under scrutiny and probably with good reason yet you are not taking up the issue and you say it's so important, so why not? >> actually i think you are wrong there. >> how so? >> taking it up means examining what the president has
authorized for force, and both parties are holding here ogz what we ought to be doing. most of us believe we ought to be not just confronting terrorism and defeating it but we have to do it in a way where our military doesn't have one hand tied behind their back and the president has not necessarily taken that role. there is issues to tackle the economy, and this is a big issue, which is why we are looking for ways to make it easier for families to stretch their budget and family-owned businesses and farms to pass that down in the next generation and that's why the vote yesterday was so important. >> i get the segue there and i am going to talk to you about that but they are starting to hold hearings but they are not doing enough on something that matters so much and that's my point, congressman. >> chris, i appreciate that but i will tell you what these are
important issues. congress shouldn't just rubber stamp what the president sends them and they ought to examine it and do it the right way and what you are seeing in congress major votes to fix big problems like medicare and both parties came together to send to the president this week a solution that has evaded us for 15 years. there is an awful lot frankly, going on in congress and maybe on issues you would like to see done today, and i disagree with that premise. >> that's your right and that's why we have you on "new day," and i hope you are right and have more on the issues. let's talk about the headline bill you have. you are calling it the death tax. why is it good for americans to have no estate tax at all? >> yeah this is the number one reason the death tax, why a family-owned farms and businesses are not passed down to the next generation. just imagine working your whole
life to build your business up or to take over the family farm intending to give it to your children or grandchildren so they have better opportunities, and on your death uncle sam swoops in and takes nearly half of what you worked a lifetime of building up and we believe it's wrong and it hurts the economy and it doesn't help the income inequality and at the end of the day, this is wrong, and this is really an attack on the american dream and we believe you can actually generate more revenue by doing away with the tax than keeping it. it has been ten years since the house or senate has taken a stand on the estate or death tax, and it was a good i think, bipartisan vote yesterday in the house and we'll see where it goes. >> can you argue the same conclusion but with completely opposite reasoning, and yes, it's an attack on the american dream because you are taking care of the richest people and the numbers are not helpful to
your cause. only 120 small businesses of farms, and 100 of them were large farms and hit by the estate tax in 2014, and it delayed tax payments and that was from a recent opt ed about this and it's not about farms, is it it's about fat cats. >> you just cited one of the most misleading statements -- >> was the number right or wrong? >> it's wrong in its perspective, because it doesn't identify all the family-owned businesses 1 out of 3, that spends money and time trying to protect their estate to pass it down to the next generation and it doesn't talk about the family-owned farms and businesses spending time and money trying to make sure they can deal with the death tax. the super rich don't take the
death tax. >> there are loopholes, so make them pay it. >> at the end of the day, here is a basic question a lifetime work and sacrifice and risk is that money yours or the government's? is it yours to pass down to your children or the government's? the death tax does not affect the kennedys and the trumps, and gates, and have foundations. >> you can fix that. you give them $10 million in exemptions for a couple. it's less than one-tenth of the population. >> when i leave this interview, i am going to see an individual who has been spending money for 20 years to make sure he can pass that small business down to his children, and these are not the super rich and a lot more than just a few are affected by what i think is a terrible tax.
>> hold on one second congressman. i don't understand why you are pushing it -- congressman, i don't know who you are doing this for? your district you have lower median income than the national average and 4.5% make it over $200,000. who are you doing this for? >> who? mrs. snook, i am going to talk to her about why she has been forced to get a loan to keep the family farm that has been in there their family for over 100 years. >> the exemption is $10 million a couple. >> you have no perspective on a business that has a print shop
that has land and perhaps a building and we'll get over that exemption. the family farm with 700 acres, not a big one at all, they are over that exemption. you may hide behind the donald trump's of the world, and it's hitting everyday americans, and poll after poll nearly 70% of americans think it's the wrong tax and hurts the wrong people. >> how high on the list is the estate tax on the worries of the basic household? >> it has been ten years and this is a great debate to have. >> thank you very much for coming on "new day." love having this kind of robust debate and look forward to having you back. >> thanks chris. appreciate it. >> poppy? authorities saying this man tried to train and did train with islamic extremis in syria
and then came back to the united states and plotted to kill americans. he is facing terrorism charges. according to his indictment he got his marching orders from a muslim clairic last year and came back here to the united states with the goal of executing american soldiers. and it's very troubling. >> it's very troubling, and what is especially chill something according to the indictment he was already planning to go to syria to join terror groups even as he was applying for citizenship, and take a look what he was planning. >> back from syria radicalized and with intent to kill. a 23-year-old american in custody this morning and he was hoping to do something big in the u.s.
muhammad left his home on a one way ticket to athens greece. but he never boarded his connection flight instead an accomplice picked him up and drove him to the border town where he crossed over into syria. he allegedly trained with terrorists and breaking into houses and using explosives and hand to hand combat. officials did not say which group he trained with. two months into the military-type camp, a cleric told muhammad to return to the united states and carry out an act of terrorism, and then the 23-year-old told others that he wanted to kill american soldiers execution style at a military base in texas and his backup plan was to attack a prison specifically wanting to target
armed forces including police officers. it's not clear just how far along any such plans were. muhammad expressing support for isis on social media a full year up loading images of the terror group to his facebook page. >> as long as isis remains and they are not defeated they will continue to inspire individuals like that to join the jihad and get trained and come back and pose a threat to the west and to america. >> he faces three counts in all, two of aiding terrorists individuals and a terrorists group, and another charge of giving false information to the fbi. now the arraignment will be in just a few hours and according to his defense lawyer he will plead not guilty to all three charges. >> interesting what he has to say. the fighting getting more intense this morning. saudi air strikes right now are of little help.
and locals are in dire need of food and medical supplies. cnn is the only network taking you to that besieged city. >> reporter: we are on our way back from aden. they need everything you can imagine, fuel food clean water. this is the hospital we visited. the chief of surgery told me they have stopped counting the numbers of the dead and the dying that have come through their doors. there was a little boy we met there, a 5-year-old and he absolutely would break your heart and he was hit with shrapnel when he was at his neighbor's house. it is the civilians being caught in the middle. the only crowds we had were
where people are looking 24 hours a day, and nobody wants to take the risk they will go home to their families empty-handed and all the while there is a constant threat of a continuing advance by the forces. >> and the hospital stopped counting the number of dead because they are so overwhelmed. we are glad you are safe and we will check back with you as you get more understanding of what is going on on the ground. the tulsa deputy that gunned down a man in a sting is speaking out this morning. his name is robert bates and he says he was well trained for the job and can prove it, and at the same time he is apologizing for killing a man by mistaking his gun for his taser. >> reporter: this is the first time we heard from robert bates,
and it's been documented over the last week and a half bates confused the taser for his handgun and that's what led to this tragedy and he says it was not intentional, speaking to the "today" show this morning. >> i was actually parked down the street at the sinclair station several blocks away from where the activity took place, and in other words, where the gun was purchased and he decided to bolt and run and he came to me. i yelled taser, taser, as required in training. the deputy below me ducked and he pulled away from it so that i could -- irate rate this as number one on the things in my life that i regret. >> he was asked about the controversy swirling around his
training and the tulsa world newspaper here documents the training records were falsified and several employees of the sheriff's department were demoted because they refused to sign off on all of that and mr. bates says he was properly trained. >> and he says he has all of the documents to prove that but none of us the public has not seen those yet. thank you. isis and iraqi forces engaging in fierce battles for the control of the city of ramadi. security forces who have spent days defending that city may have to pull back if more reinforcements do not arrive soon. and the new disturbing images this morning, and what you are seeing is families fleeing the city of ramadi hoping to find some sort of safe haven in baghdad. 28,000 pounds of cocaine was seized in nearly two dozen operations in central and south america, and officials steuplgt the value of $424 million. look at that.
the navy coast guard, and royal canadian navy ships has seized more cocaine in the last few months than in all of 2014. and then here is a video of a rant. listen. >> do you feel good about your job, so i could be a college drop out and do the same thing? >> i am on television and -- really. lose to weight. >> she apologized saying i allowed my emotions to get the best of me. >> it's really tough to hear that. really tough to hear that.
>> i think she's got trouble coming her way because of the things she said and how she said it and the situation. it stinks to get your car towed. >> it's not losing a family member. >> and yeah it's not a reason to not respect people who have to do their job. wow, that was a rough one. jurors in the aaron hernandez trial are opening up to our an tkurderson cooper exclusively, on how they reached the verdict, and why, and you will be surprised about what they say they did not believe about the prosecution and the defense. we will play that for you ahead.
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said to his guards that he didn't do it, that you all were wrong. when you hear that what do you think? >> my first thought was if we were wrong, if he had something else to say, maybe he should have testified at some point in that trial. maybe there should have been a little more so we could have heard his side of the story. >> the perspective of one of the jurors in the aaron hernandez trial, the panel sat down exclusively with our anderson cooper, and here to discuss all
of it the legal defense attorney radio personality and an attorney herself. you just heard it from one of the jurors there, and he said look, if he was innocent why didn't he take the stand? this is what defense attorneys grabble with every time do i put my client on the stand? in retrospect listening to what the juror had to say, did the defense make a mistake? >> yeah i guess so because obviously the jury felt if he would have heard from him and get an opportunity to understand what he thought took place, and from listening with the jury i tend to agree it might have come out differently if he would have testified because they were in tune to listening exactly what every witness was saying and tying the pieces together, and they were not lazy but were smart and working to put the puzzle together and he might have been that last piece if he
would have testified. >> joey when we look at this one of the other jurors said that one of the issues they had, the defense changed in the midst of the trial, and in the opening they said he was not there, and then they said he was there but did not pull the trigger, and he did not need to pull the trigger to figure he was guiltingy? >> in addition to saying what you mentioned, they said wait the defense said what he had in his hand could have been a remote control or an ipad and it could have been a gun and not the same caliber gun, and that's confusing. what you do at the outset of the case you have a theory and you impress upon the theory it should carry the day, and if you are not sure of yourself how can we be sure of what you are saying. >> when you look at what they needed for murder one, it was not just pre-med indication.
there was another aspect of it and take a look at this from one of the jurors and let's discuss it on the other side. >> it was his indifference and that was part of what i had to look at and it was -- even if there was no pre-med indicationmeditationpremeditation, he could have made choices, and he was there and they admitted that, and he could have made different choices and he chose not to. >> a word that came up a lot in that interview was indifference and this goes to finding aaron hernandez guilty. it brings up the question of whether how somebody acted after a crime was committed matters. clearly they say it does in a big way. >> in massachusetts it matters, because that extreme cruelty and an an atrocity it matters.
what did they do prior? what did they do after? this juror, especially that was just speaking it was the one that i felt -- you know she might have gone another way. i think when she walked in she doesn't want to find aaron hernandez guilty, and she said she needed help from the other jurors to really understand what it was that she needed to find here, and i think all those other things, and even one juror said he was walking around in the house with a gun and he had a child. >> yes. >> now, if you take that separately away from it being the night of the murder that he walked around in the house, it really isn't that odd for a person a homeowner, a parent that owns a gun to transport that gun from one dresser to the next, and it wouldn't have meant anything but it meant something because it was the night of the murder and these incidents alone, even though they say this
was a smart jury, and they were only listening to the jurors instructions some things really did matter. >> and i wonder if you think where this trial a took place, plays into the uniqueness of it in tumserms of where it was held. if he was tried in a different jurisdiction would he have been convicted under different circumstances, because the pre- immediate indication they didn't have but they had the extreme cruelty aspect. >> you never know poppy, and i speak to enough jurors after the fact and what they say surprises me, and it appears some of them knew him and some were fans and others not fans and seven days 35 hours of deliberating and it appears they put all the pieces of it together and reasonable people do reasonable things
under reasonable circumstances, and when you look at how he behaved and you look at all the evidence of what the prosecution brought to bear where it's the dna or shoes or the gun beforehand or after the fact the jury grabbled with it and not an easy decision to make and ultimately they made the right one. >> they told anderson look we don't want to get into the emotions of our personal exchange in the juror room that is private, but here is how we came to our decision. guys thank you very much. we appreciate it. the tabloid headlines with major legal implications. the ex-fiance of sophia srau guerra trying to keep her from destroying embryos while they were together? who gets the final say and what does this mean for similar cases around the country?
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is a professor of bioettehicsbioethics. i want to split my first question to you. first of all, melissa, will nick lobe ever be able to get his hands on the embryos if he wants them? art, will sophia vergara be able to destroy them? >> if he wants to use them to reprocreate, it's not going to happen. >> because? >> the courts do not force people to procreate against their will and there has to be an overriding compelling interests, and since nick can make more sperm and his reproductive options to have a biological child are still there, they are never going to let him use those embryos, and if he were a cancer patient, even then there would be no guarantee but a slight chance.
>> would sophia be able to destroy them because it's a separate question? >> i will say no and it's clear you need mutual agreement to destroy them and he can keep them as long as he keeps the fees and he can never use them. >> who has the say if both signatures are needed shouldn't something like that be mandatory? >> i would expect in a real informed consent to be adequate. this is what you would say, this is what happens if i die or you die. do you know if something like that was in place? >> it's not in the consent form and it should have been and the clinic should have advised them to seek legal counsel, and even
if they had made a decision it doesn't mean it would have presented this litigation was we don't know if that decision would have been upheld. >> the last thing we need is the government telling us what to do with our embryos. why do you make the case more laws are needed here? >> because the technology is increasing at such a fast pace there is no guidance and this is because nobody can agree between republicans and democrats and abortion and when does life start, and then when you go to the fertility clinic you don't know what to expect and you have people doing all sorts of things that may or may not fit within the ethical more yeas of the united states. >> you hear embryo and here is what state legislators do, i am out of here and i don't want to talk about this so we have no laws and we have not determined whether a 65-year-old woman can come and have a child with
somebody that has been in the news lately carrying quads right now, and where is the regulation saying screen them. i know we don't like government telling us more about what to do but if you are making babies in ways that you couldn't naturally, older people people who are dead, you use -- >> you both used buzz words. poppy, you will say, god, we don't need any more rules, and you said god and you said babies. the law needs to figure out which way to involve. a lot of people say it's not an embryo it's a person. so if the faith-based argument of i don't think you should be able to destroy this thing at all. >> ever. >> does that get any credence lead legally? >> it's a tough call but what
you need to know scientifically is it's not a baby and sophia was around 40 when she made the embryo and it was a leftover embryo and probably has a less than 5% chance of actually producing a live birth. >> does that mean though that it's not a baby or it doesn't have great potential of living a long time? >> it's a potential baby but it is certainly not a baby. >> many will disagree with you. christians think another thing. >> but the law doesn't treat them as persons, and we have not made that leap yet. >> and in a legal and literal limbo, they are just there. >> nobody is quite sure what to do with the embryos, and clinics destroy them quietly, and you don't pay the fees and they get destroyed. >> if you had a 5% chance of keeping this job, would you say
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we started off very small. we were growing in a garage. >> we had our own medical marijuana cards and a few patients and we grew and gave that away until there was a profitable business plan and that's when we got into breckenridge. >> we have much bigger plans. >> let's hear about those plans. that was the co-owners of the cannabis club. their business is the subject of a new cnn original series "high profits." got caitlin and brian here, and how is business? >> booming. >> yeah it is booming. >> for a good reason or bad reason. what do you think? >> for good reason. people are interested in marijuana for sure. >> on what level. the suspicious is we are feeding addiction and a problem, and because people can make money off of it it's good. >> people enjoyed vices, and
marijuana is a safer substance than alcohol and less addictive than caffein. it's a safer alternative? >> why? >> because there's no rules and regulations in the black market and a prohibition has not worked and it has not kept people from smoking marijuana, and so we are a regulated industry and there are safeguards in place to make sure that we are selling a safe product. >> you started with medical marijuana, right, and that was like the first step legally in this process that there is really sanjay gupta started one side and moved to the other side, and has been covering this better than anybody, many would argue, and maybe it does help. you stopped selling the medical stuff. why? >> we had to choose medical or recreational marijuana. selling recreational marijuana did not prevent our medical
customers to shop and starting with medical marijuana really was about, you know everybody 21 and over for sure should have access to the choices they want for a substance they put in their body for various reasons. medical marijuana was everybody acknowledging that certainly marijuana's medicine and people should have the access and recreational marijuana was the next step in that battle. >> the suspicion is colorado is going to prove how quick that can get out of control. we are going to see more stops with people under the influence, and this stuff is so much stronger now, and hydropanik weed it's not like booze, and this is pandora's box. can you counter the argument? >> colorado's legalization has been underway for a year now and we are not seeing what they said
we would see, and under the influence drivers have not peaked in colorado, and it has been implemented well and people seem to be staying pretty safe in colorado. >> let's move on to what you say is a concern, the money trade in this and it's an all-cash business? >> it's all cash right now. >> why? >> the banking regulations, and the current white house administration has directed banks to try and do business with our industry and the banks said change the law, the law says we can't do it and we can't have the next administration come back on us with the heavy hammer of justice and take us down. >> business is booming and that's for sure and you think it's getting bigger, and how long do you think it will take before marijuana is legal in most of the country? >> the federal ban lifting is going to be the big thing. removing it from schedule one, the most dangerous they have from schedule two is better, and off the schedule is best.
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he do? everything. >> nobody was doing anything and i rode 200 yards uphill that about killed me because i am out of shape. >> not that out of shape. when he got there with a truck dangling by a thread he pulled the driver out, but not before he got an unusual request. >> he is like can i grab my ipod, and i am like yeah grab it. >> priorities man. he disappeared before the local authorities arrived, and look at him there. >> who got those pictures? >> a bystanders. >> probably some journalist. >> can you believe them? >> that's the good stuff indeed. >> you two are both good stuff, too. thank you for being by myself. thank you for being by my side.
especially you, poppy. >> i could drag out anything i could, and the fact that he was that patient was rather remarkable. >> have a great, great weekend, everybody. "newsroom" starts right now. >> this was not an intentional thing. i had no desire to ever take anybody's life. >> happening now in the "newsroom," a tulsa reserve deputy explains for the first time how he mistook his gun for a taser and shooting an unarmed man, and you will hear his side of the story as questions surface about his training. plus the feds say this man was trained by terrorists in syria before returning home to the united states but authorities say this ohio man, what he planned to do before he was stopped. let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom"s.