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-- that's what i've been missing. summon the robot piranhas. here is my cocktail. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. outrage in baltimore. five of the six officers involved in the arrest of freddie gray tell their story. their attorney says quote, something happened in that van. we just don't know what. tonight, one of the country's top cops tells me why every officer in america needs a body camera right now. >> body cameras are going to become as basic piece of equipment as the two-way radio, as the firearm that officers carry. >> and exclusive rappers t.i. and i.g. say f the police. does it help or hurt.
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>> dr. oz say critics are trying to silence him saying he is peddling snake oil. who is trying to take down the man they call the nation's doctor. and demand for answers in the death of freddie gray. miguel marquez live in baltimore. more protests tonight. miguel, what is the feeling in the crowd? >> reporter: there is no crowd now. this is the western district police station and they have turn it into a fortified area. they put up cement barriers and metal barricades and blocked off several blocks around the police station and put up a big light here obviously. today there was a couple of hundred protesters out here and it did get nasty between police and protesters and a couple of arrests and at one point people were throwing their plastic drink bottles over at the police. and a lot of police here in three different rode --
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different roads and officers behind them and horse officers behind them. and we saw protesters and nations of islam here in presence tonight. part of the protests broke off and went to other parts of the city and they are promising the same and more tomorrow. thousands trying to organize protests tomorrow and on saturday they are calling for tens of thousands. >> miguel marquez. and now i want to bring in mary cook an attorney and councilman brandon scott. good evening to both of you. thank you both. mary to you first. >> good evening. >> good morning. >> good evening. how is the family doing today. do you know yet when freddie's body will be released for the funeral? >> we're in the process of making those arrangements right now. the most you can say about freddie gray's family is they are totally devastated.
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they have -- they tried to process the loss of their son, their brother, their friend their fiancee, and they are just dealing with that right now. and, you know the body will be released when the arrangements are made. >> i want to ask you about the new video released today. it shows the moment when police were shackling freddie's legs mary. have police told you why they did that? >> no. the police have not made any comments to us. and i know that the police officers have allegedly given statements. i don't know that the statements have been released at this point in time. they certainly haven't been given to us. and so no i can't answer the question of what they said or why they have indicated that they shackled his legs. >> mary, a local station in baltimore did an interview with the police commissioner and here is what he said about the van driver and the other passenger in the van. take a listen. >> the second prisoner that was
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picked up said he didn't see any harm done to freddie at all. what he he said is he heard freddie thrashing about. the driver didn't drive erratically and wasn't slamming on the brakes or turning corners in a irrational way. and the lawyer for the officers said five of the six involved in freddie gray's arrest gave statements on the same day of the incident as it happened. when will you know the officers' side of the story? >> you know it really -- we've heard there will be transparency we've heard that the investigation is -- tear going to try to wrap up the investigation by may 1st and turn it over to the state attorney's office now the justice department is involved. i don't know if they will release those statements or treat those statements as this point personnel or release it to the are on when the statements get released. so i don't know the answer to
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that question. i wish that i did. i wish i knew what the officer statements were now. i do know what was written by one of the officers who arrested freddy gray and it's a sworn statement that is supposed to indicate the probable cause and that statement that was done contemp rainiously indicates there was no reason for this arrest or any reason for any officer to lay hands on freddy gray. >> police say freddy gray fled unprovoked from police and they had every right to chase him and take him down. other people are calling it running while black. do you think the police have the right to run after someone like freddy gray who they think is suspicious? >> every case is different but i know that in this country, we have to get away from the image
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of the big bad black and everything we do if we're walking or talking a certain way, that makes us a suspect and not just the police but to the general community. millions of dollars is spent creating this image of a scary black man and that hasn't changed. we all have to work to get round that fact. >> how did that play into this particular case? >> if you're living in america, unless you're living under a rock, when you look at anything in our country, tv media, that's how we're pro portrayed. we've always been portrayed that way. every day, i fight that every day, as a young black man and those images go across the globe and that's how people come with biases, even if they're not a racist person because that's how
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we're subconsciously taught as a country. >> and police are telling their side of the story but do you think this was a clear cut case of police brutality? >> i don't know. i owe it to freddy gray and to the citizens to know the answers. why was he being shaqled, what happened while he was in the van, those are things i have to know before i make a determination. but if someone dies a questionable way in my city if it indeed was something brutal whether it's police or average citizen, it could be the president of the united states that person should face the fullest extent of that law. and they have laws in our state that preclude us from sharing
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some things. and there are efforts to change some of those things but now everybody knows we need change some of those laws so we don't keep having this same conversation over and over and over. >> you want to stay with us because when we come right back one of the country's top cops tells me why stop and frisk is still an essential tool for police everywhere. >> it's a misunderstanding not just in new york but in ulthother cities around the country that stop and frisk is illegal or in your words, it's suspended. not at all. it's a basic right of every police officer within the constitution to respond to a reasonable suspicion. >> my full interview with him coming up. also, the new angry rap remix that blasts the police and
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. so you just heard police commissioner bill bratton tell me that stop and frisk is an essential tool for police officers. and now i want to hear what my
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guests have to say about that. stop and frisk. still alive. so let's listen to remind our viewers what he said. >> there's a real misunderstanding not just in new york but in other cities around the contry that stop and frisk is illegal or suspended and a that's not. it's the right of every police officer to respond to a reasonable suspicion. >> was this a classic stop and frisk do you think that happened with freddy gray? i think a lot of people think it's over and it's not. >> they're doing all over the country but there are rules that
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police officers have to follow that's all. they have to clearly articulate their reason. >> was this a clear cut stop and frisk in baltimore? >> i don't know if it was. i think they might have been doing drug sweeps. so you could say that and they thought his activity was suspicious and they had reasonable suspicion to make a stop. >> i think it's he's the ruling on stop and frisk and the question is two prongs. one, is you have reasonable suspicion to make the stop and the second thing is do you have a reasonable suspicion that the person has a weapon. so those are two separate things and the commissioner is right, nothing has changed. >> in the context of baltimore,
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was this a stop and frisk? >> well stop and frisk is about officer safety it's about being able to pat someone down on their outer clothing when you're about to do a field interview, an investigate tower stop. and i believe this is from illinois versus wordlow. and it's unprovoked running when you see the police but here is the problem, this has migrated to a place where all we need is running and they talk about a high crime area and what constitutes a high crime area? is that up to the police discretion. i believe you need more than that. that maybe you need to see a hand to hand buy. but this is what this is all about.
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even other deaths are about drug investigations. >> did you want to get in on that david? >> word law specifically says you are allowed to pursue them when they flee that would indicate that that flight is part of a situation that involves some sort of suspicious activity. so you do have the right under totality of the circumstances, if there's some other piece besides fleeing, but fleeing by itself is not enough and the other thing we don't know is did they have reasonable suspicion to make a stop before the flight? >> in this case are they saying it was the knife or was it the glance and he made eye contact and ran? >> i don't know. we z to wait and see. >> i'm sure the police officers on the scene knew he was a known drug dealer he could have been
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a look out. >> we don't know that. >> we don't know for sure but we knee know he has a record for drugs. >> and the key question of korsh is when did david gray sustain these fatal spinal injuries? so take look at this. >> oh oh. [ man screaming] >> so neal we hear freddy gray screaming, so unlessia think he's faking he's hurt to some degree? do you agree with that? >> i agree he's hurt but whether you think he's faking or not, you have a responsibility and duty to bring emergency services
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to render aid and that was not done. he was placed in the van and in the van for a very long time and no aid ways rendered. they have a responsibility to do that. >> i don't think anybody disagrees on this panel. that he's in their care. >> whether or not the police officers oo believe he was in pain or a fake which does happen a lot when you're making an arrest. >> this is another clip where we lookality his legs and they look unresponsive and one more here. where you can see his leg is at such an unnatural angle. the key question iss there that image. what was he doing before? was he injured before he was put in that van is the question? >> maybe he was injured during the take down. we don't know. we don't have footage of the take down. but when they bring him over to
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the van, he can stand on his own before they put him in there. there's one officer holding him like this. if he couldn't stand at all, i don't care what kind of leaning he was doing, he would have fallen to the ground and he didn't. so it could have been a two prong injury one that occurred to his back during the take down and as a result of going fl to the van and having to be shaqled by his feet and the only time you really do that is when someone is acting up in a van, kicking. >> david? >> we have to wait and see what the injuries are and it's speculation at best to say this or that. and it could be this or that and i know it's frustrating for people that we don't have the
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autopsy or the medical examiner's report and that would suggest whether or not there's another injury. and i always say, let's wait interest the investigation to run its course and i agree with the counselman who said let the investigation run its course and then weal'll know. >> you heard earlier from interview with commissioner bill bratton and we'll
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human hearts... [♪] the voice of the wild within. [♪] . we have news tonight on that police incident in arizona that was caught on dash cam. the officer who ram adsuspect with his patrol car told his spearuperiors that there was the only option. and i talked about that and other challenges for police in a
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wide ranging interview today with commissioner william bratton. every week we seem to see video with questionable behavior by police. what's going on? >> i think you're seeing the fact that cameras are becoming ever present in our lives and you'll see those footage with increased frequency as we go forward. and when we make arrests, it's lawful but looks awful and in some instances it's unlawful some of the behavior caught on cameras. so what you're seeing is the expansion of the new phenomenon that cameras are literally everywhere. >> you don't think it's hapening more it's just the
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proliferation of cameras. >> i think some of the behavior you're seeing that is lawful but doesn't look good you have to see that decline over time as it becomes more of a reality that cameras are ever present in our lives. at the same time the nature of policing in america is that we deal with a lot of violent people violent people who resist arrest and without provocation attack police and others. there is such a thing as crime in amarberica and that's not going way any time soon. >> isn't it true that stop and frisk is a part of every department? >> that's true. stop and question and then potentially frisk. the vast majority of stops don't result in a frisk but it's been constitutionally described. carry versus ohio.
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one of the first classes i took that boston police academy were some of the decisions that came out of the supreme court decision. you have to be able to articulate what the reasonable suspicion is so that there's a real misunderstanding i think, not just in new york but in other cities around the country that somehow or another stop talk and frisk is illegal or suspended. not so. it's a basic right of every police officer to respond to a reasonable suspicion? >> do you think men of color are targeted by police? >> i don't think so. police growo where the calls go. and lot of nuisance calls,
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quality of life calls. the vast majority of those calls are in neighborhoods where unfortunately, we have higher crime than in other neighborhoods. and often times those are minority neighborhoods, hispanic neighborhoods and so the chance of police encountering individuals is more significant because we have more police in those areas. you'd expect we'd have more police where there's more crime, disorder and more of a need. we need you, we need your help come assist. >> where does a mistrust come from? surely not all of it is just perception. because you have to admit there's a disconnect between communities of color and police officers. >> some of it is based on the
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history of our country, and particularly as it relates to blacks african americans and the history of police through much of our history, to enforce slavery laws and on up until the 1960s, enforcing segregation laws. so a mistrust of blacks by pleerks police and a lot of that is historically based and the shared responsibility and it's shared it's not up to the police or the community to solve it, it's a shared responsibility. to understand the rights and responsibilities of the police and the police understanding the rights and responsibilities of the public and a mutual respect f you will. not going to be easy. there's a lot of history and a lot of pain that this country
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has been through and fortunately, we're going to go through. we thought we had healed this issue utcoming out of the '60s but the skab we thought had healed over has pealed back and it's still open and quite raw. >> you said it's a mutual responsibility but how do we fix it and what is the nypd doing? >> we've been making major efforts to see each other. we have a major training program under way for our 20,000 officers who work in the field a three-day training program to really teach them how to see the communities that they work in how to respect those communities, and engage in dialogue with them. how to use force in appropriate ways and that's not just a one time initiative we'll continue
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that going forward each year. >> and talking about and wanting to create reforms where they tell the new class recruits instruction like this don't by a racist don't mock others don't tell sexist jokes, don't hassle peepople for no reason. what do you think of that? >> i think that's great. that's something we're teaching our officers. >> but you said you're already implementing. >> we are. this is stuff we've been doing now for a long time with our recruit classes. i know one of the local newspapers belittled it yesterday and shame on them and shame on them in terms of the comments they made. you want your officers to engage
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with people and treat people with respect so to belittle that shame on them. >> almost everything i do, probably that you do is by camera somewhere. so body cameras, i think you have 60 officers wearing them? >> we have a pilot program that has been underway for three months and that will be expanding over time as part of the federal monitorship. and they're going to become as beigic a piece of equipment as a two-way radio and the same as cameras in our lives, every convenience store in new york has half a dozen of them. >> so, you're a big proponent -- because i don't think officers correct me if i'm wrong, i don't
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think they like having that on them. >> i think dash board cameras, that principal ben fishiary of a police -- because, believe it or not, people makeup stories and don't understand the authority of the police and when they see themselves on cameras, looks a little different than theal aigations they're making. and it changes thebehavior not just of the police which i think is the thought, the big change is the behavior of the public because it tends to tone them down much the same as it is going to change the behavior of a police officer going they have a camera on them. so everybody benefits. police officer behavior improves
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and community behavior improves. >> another law and ord storer story to tell you about. another look at dzhokhar tsarnaev being defiant in a court house holding cell on the day of his arraignment. he flash as v sign and then flips his middle finger. jurors were shown this when considering whether to give him the death penalty and they say it shows him as unconcerned about the innocent people he murdered. and up next my interview w two rappers behind the angry remix blasting police.
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this is really interesting.
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so sit down and pay attention to this because the rapper cap g released a rap full of anger about being pulled over by police for no reason in his estimation. and it's an "f" to police and now in the aftermath of erick brown and othersuth how, are you doing? >> what's going on? >> a lot of not much and a lot. you guys both wanted to come on the show and talk about the experiences that black and brown people have when the comes to police officers. we've talked about driving while black, now running while black. what's your experience first,
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t.i.? >> i think there's a disregard of society when dealing with law enforcement officers. there's an undeniable fear that i believe officers have for young minorities and it's reflected in their actions and of course it leads to angry lyrics because our music, historically has been a reflection of our circumstances. so if you don't like the lyrics you must then change the circumstances that inspired them. >> you made no secret and you talked about your history with police and run ins with the law, so do you think this makes you i guess more apt or you have more experience with police to talk about this situation? >> i mean i believe that
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everything is a case by case basis. i think that if i had ran into the certain collection of police officers that actually took the lives of the young men who have lost their lives at the hand of these cowereds i think i possibly could have turned out just as bad if not worse -- >> you haven't had those type of experiences? >> i definitely have had profiling and hostile police officers who were looking to do all but protect and serve. >> so let's going to cap now. you say you're afraid of police right, cap g? >> i'm not afraid of police. you see on the news and see every day life. it's just the things that they're doing is not good right now. you see people dying the reason i wrote this song because i was racial profiled.
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me being mexican american you know, the whole situation, it was two years ago i got pulled over and basically, the whole situation was unfair. they wanted to check my car, asking for my i.d. they thought i was illegal and it's unfair. >> so let's talk about your song. you added the references here to michael brown and eric garner and since the latest incidents, you changed it and remixed it. ♪ all right.
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joy so you also added trayvon martin to that song. is it going to take efforts like this more? what do you think it's going to take to keep young black men from dying in your estimation? >> it's going to take things like this to create conversation and that's why i created this song i feel like just being young, i can retliet black people i can relate to mexican people because i'm from college park georgia, so i feel like me being young, i can have a voice and tell them what's going on. >> t.i. you and i have been on the same shows where we talked about things like this. the song is i'm screaming, "f lupolicia and you know what that
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means and you say f" the police in some of it. and bratton talked about some of the language being used. >> when you have demonstrated and chanting what do we want? dead cops. i'm sorry that's going to rr far. >> so what do you say about this type of language keeping more people kill saided. >> if i may speak to answer the question. i agree completely with the commissioner. i'm not -- we're not calling for the death of anyone. we're calling for the death of our people to end. and i believe just as there are government funded task forces for other crime sindicate units
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whether it's the mafia, terrorists the hip-hop cops i believe that these police officers who hide behind their badges and abuse their athort, they deserve just as much attention from people who can put regulation to their actions. >> at the end of the song kap kap g, you say we realize not all police officers are bad and there are some good ones out there. >> absolutely. i believe for the most part, when a person decides that he wants to become a police officer, i believe that those are the greatest most purest intentions in the world, to want to survsh proerve and protect. i believe that is the true spirit of the foundation of law enforcement but somewhere it's
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lost in translation, whether it's the environment or the lack of experience with a certain area of society but i think that has to come with more stringent, more meticulous training not just learning how to shoot and fight but learning how to understand the other people you have to deal with in these environments. >> all right. thank you. i have breaking news i have to get to. it's out of ferguson missouri tonight, the family of michael brown announcing the filing of a civil suit over his death last august. and i'm going to talk to the medical student who is making it his mission to take down the man they call america's doctor and
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does that mean people in laos shouldn't get their vaccine? we didn't think so. from figuring it out to getting it done, we're here to help. two weeks later. look, credit karma-- are you talking to websites again? this website says "free credit scores." oh, credit karma! yeah it's actually free. look, you don't have to put in your credit card information. whew! credit karma. really. free. dr. oz rolling out the big guns and devoting much of his show tomorrow to addressing
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doctors calling himaccusing him of promoting quack treatments. >> hello, to you. a friend of dr. oz welcome to the show. benjamin first. your blog traction complaints of dr. oz for promoting sometimes dangerous treatments. what's your beef with dr. oz? >> he's one example of a physician going in the media and telling about treatments that haven't been proven effective and they're not listening to their own doctors and i think it's hurting the medical profession. >> why was it incumbent upon you
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to do it? >> i think in many ways medical students are the conscience of medicine medicine. we have a lot of faith in the power of doctors to heal people. we have a lot of personal concern and empathy for patients. we haven't burned out and become cynical. i saw that patients were being harmed and wanted to say something. >> what's your take? >> we were colleagues for a long time and friends before he was the celebrity that he is today. some of benjamin's concerns i can relate to but at the end the references to patients or the public being harmed. actually we have no evidence of that whatsoever and someone whose day job is running a research lab, one of the huge gaps in this discussion is we
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have no empirical evidence of what the oz effect is. i can tell you because i know him is he's committed to yes, it's tv and i want to be entertaining but i want to present options for people to talk to about their doctors and i tell everyone to confer with their own doctors. maybe outcomes are better because i'm presenting ideas that they haven't had yet. to my knowledge, there's absolutely no proof of any net harm. it's a testable hypothesis. it is their better -- >> that's why i started the -- >> go ahead, benjamin. >> that's why i started the doctors and oz website was to ghan gain the first hand of accounts of people being misled and
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harmed -- >> but there's a whole show called the doctors, he's not the only tv doctor. and this is just from montell williams and he was tweeted as saying, they're going after dr. oz and tragically misguided and just want publicity. #stand with dr. oz. >> he's not the only one spreading this information but he's so trusted and seen by millions of people that's influence that no average physician has. but he's not the only physician being mis ledled -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> because he has the viewers, the trust and i think he does
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care about patients and so i'm hoping to reach out and encourage him to promote more evidence based. >> so did you ever try reach out to dr. oz and say, you have the trust of a lot of people before starting a campaign to undermine his credibility? >> dr. oz has -- i was very far from the first person to criticize him and he has a history of not responding to very reasonable criticisms that he is promoting unproven medical treatments so i didn't think he would respond to me. >> dr. cats go ahead. >> first of all, as ben said he's widely trusted. so for the most part trust is earned. so if more people are harmed than helped, that trust will go away. we have to understand that viewers are deciding to watch and deciding whether or not to
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trust him. benjamin has said this that there's long been medical advice on television and if it's not doctors, then it's celebrities. i can tell you that when doctors do this they do tell you what you don't kne. and you get a balanced conclusion on dr. oz and always to consult with your doctor. >> we're out of time. we'll be right back. ♪ where do you get this kind of confidence? at your ford dealer... that's where! our expert trained technicians... state of the art technology and warranty parts keep your vehicle running right. it's no wonder we sold more than 3.5
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i'm don lemon. thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, new demonstrations on the streets of baltimore, including a sunset confrontation between protesters and police. [ crowd yelling] it happened just a short time ago outside a police station where a freddy gray was taken to the hospital and later died. and now we have new video, the last known images of mr. gray on the way to the police station. he was loaded