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optimism. that's why it's now in philly and boston and ferguson. a real movement has come together. it is really a is senator. they are finding out about the system. and they are thinking about bha is the system 67 so young girls are look at harass and say that is what i can do. that's why it's very dangerous for them to be called thugs when in a yoor from now they will have voting capacity. >> councilman, thank you. appreciate it very much. if you are just joining us there
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is a lot going on protesters still out here and on the streets of fill fell dee that. now at one point, crowds tried to march on to a major artery and clashed are police. the rallying cry is philly is baltimore. the end of the day saw the investigation turn the report over to ball moore state's attorney. they did not make it public. they did drop a bomb shell. a lot to talk about. let's go first to chris cuomo about the situation. >> i'm sitting here with the commissioner talking about how the situation is different.
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>> tell anderson cooper hello. i'm a big fan. >> he's listening. >> i think at this point in time it's an don't for the state's attorney to look through the case. i don't think anyone's trying to cover up and trying to sweep anything under the carpet. we hope that we keep moving and that everybody what's happening. people are hurt and there is rage. from our standpoint we will be as open, transparent and honest. this is a very strong and
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capable state's attorney. i think the people should know at the end of the day that a good investigation was done and the state's attorney will do a good job. >> quickly and i know you don't want to talk, but understood. when they hear sth that's a lot for somebody to take in. i think it's unfortunate that these things are coming out. i think that it's inappropriate. i think people should take a deep breath to wait for the entire information and hopefully these leaks won't poison what's happening until people have the full story.
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i will find out where my officers are. we will make sure that everything is pretty much gone. >> thank you for your time. >> appreciate it. >> anderson it's interesting. the way we met the police chief was that somebody's car broke down. he fwot out and said what happened. owe r you are sure he doesn't need help? look, it's good politics but also almost in this particular situation. whether or not he goes to these group of men and women is important. they need answers. the anger surrounding the unknown will only grow.
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a lot of people do not have facts. the autopsy results have not been reloosed. >> speculation is dangerous. sometimes knowing a little bit is worse than knowing nothing. everything we know still cuts both ways. we still don't know how it was done. was it done by freddie gray or was it done to him? the unknown suspicion means it's a set up. that they're not going to get justice. part of the reason we're doing this is we know why this would
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be frustrating to learn. it was interesting to see the chief come up here this way. he did not address the crowd. this is not going to be over. >> miguel, how are things where you are?
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>> police are not wearing riot gear. they are mixing with the crowd more freely. did you all go down to city hall today? how long are you going to be out here? >> all night and all day. >> they would love to be out here all night and all day. >> i care about curfew. they reluctantly have gone home. right now people are celebrating the fact that they went downtown and able to come back up here and now this corner that was such a scene of violence and protest has become a bit of corner of renewal for this neighborhood and we hope that the worst is beyond us.
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>> in terms of how the police are viewing things, are they less in view on that corner? >> they are less in view and it was interesting during the ma h march. for the first time, police blocked off traffic. there is a presence and helicopters making announcements. there is police presence here reminding them that police are here. there is growing confidence that the message is being heard and they want the government to hear that they would like to see action and soon. >> i want to go to poppy harlow who has been monitoring this roving group who has been moving
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throughout the city. poppy? >> they are continuing to move. police have told me throughout the day as long as it's peaceful and not violent they can go as long as they want. do you want to talk to us? we're live on cnn right now. let me explain one thing. he's talking about the altercation that we saw getting on to interstate 95. were you in that group? >> yes. >> can you tell us about it? >> we wanted to walk down the freeway. let's stop please. let's stop. we came to the freeway. as soon as we walked up they started pushing up with night sticks and had batons ready. they had horses and all that other [ bleep ] that they do trying to intimidate us and i
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got hit in the chest a few times. a few police officers put their hands on me. there is marshall law in black neighborhoods forever. >> one of the things i have been asking is what do you want to see? what's your big goal? >> we want equality of justice. that's not what this is oobt. it's not about people getting killed. being seen as equals in the eyes of the law. >> were you there in front of the federal prison? all of you guys stopped for 15 minutes.
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>> we're citizens of this country. they don't see that. in our neighborhoods, it's police above citizens in your neighborhoods it's citizens above police. they don't know that. the police have no no integrity. >> i will let you go. tell me one thing. what is your hope for year from now. how do you want to see things different? what can your lawmakers do? >> i just want the police to be held accountable.
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the police have been known to be dirty. police have been in ka hoots with the mob and suddenly when a black guy gets shot, the police is infallible. he's without reproach. police can get away with anything when it's a black person. >> i appreciate hearing from you. back to you guys. anderson, back to you. >> that's the scene in philadelphia. all we know and all we don't know. i want to check in with jason. where are you in ball moore?
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well, they are addressing their concern. they are saying that they want to be a voice that's being heard. i was talking to some of them and trying to get the ones that were a little more fired up, pulling them aside because a lot of them they have been out here all ta they haven't heard the news and updates, trying to still beat up on the police. >> you believe that some of these leaks that have come out may have been helpful in terms of taking some of the pressure off of the police? >> yes. i believe it has taken some of the pressure off of police.
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i need the young people to know that it's out of the police hands. so we need to allow the process to go the way it need to go. don't rush the process. any good thing takes time. allow it to be done in a timely fashion so we can know. >> all right. thank you very much. as we stand here i know you will get back to work trying to get some of the people out of the street. >> yes. >> anderson less than an hour away from curfew. see if we can get soom of the people out of here. as it stands now they are still protesting and still having voices heard. anderson? >> all right. thank you very much. as i said, coming up, what we know and what we don't know after a quick break.
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>> a my major demonstration going on tonight. so far two arsts have been reported. two huge numbers. before going before our experts, i do want to take a moment and lay out what's known about what happened to freddie gray and what needs to be known. today's cnn affiliate citing law enforcement who is in tern citing law enforce. the washington post put out a report saying that he injured himself. they are also react stog the new and revised account of how many times the transport van actually
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stopped. more now from randy kay. >> reporter: at the heart of the investigation, what went on inside the van transporti ining freddie gray. details are scarce. >> we discovered this new stop based on the thorough and ongoing review of all cctv cameras and privately owned cameras and this new stop was discovered from a privately owned camera. >> that particular stop is still under investigation. gray is on the floor of the van. >> they pick him up and place him on the seat.
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>> a police document obtained by the washington post reveals that seconder has his own version. he claims that gray was banging against the walls and intenti intentionally trying to gyre himself. a metal barrier was separating the two. >> gray family attorney disputes the idea that gray caused his own fatal injury. we disagree with any imp pli occasion that freddie gray served his own spinal cord. it is said that gray's injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck. wjla says a head injury matches a bolt. but anderson cooper interviewed
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a friend of one of the officers who has a different take, suggesting the fatal injury did not occur inside the van. listen. >> what has that officer told you about what that officer believes happened to freddie gray? does that officer believe that freddie gray was injured inside the wagon or before? >> he believes that freddie gray was injured outside the paddy wagon before. >> while freddie gray was being arrested? >> yes. >> the baltimore police investigation is now in the hands of findings but also the facts that their officer has gathered the and verified. randy kay, cnn, new york. >> that on the table, i want to bring in sonny hoston and sonny
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used to live and work here. also former nypd detective and forensic detective. sonny you and i were talking about this. that report that was in the washington post that the other person who was under arrest inside the van that was busy transported said that mr. gray was intentionally banging his head, there is no way, there's no way that another person under arrest would know what the intention of somebody else is. >> i find it very unreliable. there was a sort of metal sheet, partition between the two. he is in police custody when he
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gives this testimony. this is troubling when a prosecutor's officer investigates its own and police. i think it's troubling when police officers investigate their own. we're hearing so many different accounts from so many different sources and i think it begs the question why isn't there an independent investigator in a place like this. >> the things that people think they know early on turn out to be red herrings or more. the facts on the ground are very few. >> just to take one example, that incident that you and sonny are just talking about, the version of the facts apparently provided by the other prisoner in the van. you can't make a rational
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evaluation of this prisoner's story until you know what kind of injuries freddie gray had. and we don't know. that's why the autopsy report is going to be so important. all of the information can't be analyzed in isolation. it is obviously very important. but the only way to evaluate it is to see if it's consistent with the medical, forensic and other testimony in the case. >> and professor, the report from our affiliate mentioning a broken neck and it mentions a head injury that apparently has something to do with a bolt in the van. head and neck injuries, they're not necessarily connected right? >> no, of course not. it's just an indicator if he was thrown in and his head hilt the
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bolt, maybe you could explain the neck injury. it's not directly connected. let me piggy back. there are other things that we don't know. we don't have the tox report so we don't know whether there were drugs or alcohol involved. if they were, that might explain the neck muscularture and that might have predisposed him if he were under the influence of the substances to a neck injury. that will absolutely be part of the autopsy report. there's a lot. let's see what it says and doesn't say. >> we should point out that the family, they are also going to be conducting their own autopsy
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and he wouldn't say where that process with us. >> i don't like these vans. they are really hard to be able to get in there and sit the prisoner down and get him clipped in there. all right. because you are really vulnerable. you can fit one officer in there. while you're trying to seat belt the prisoner he could head bt butt you and bilt you. wi had regular vans, buckle them in. you couldn't get spit on. i don't see police departments
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actually going to use these or buying these any more. i see a lot of problems there. it was could civil charges, could a civil suit be brought by the fact that policy wasn't followed and that may have led to his injury and or death. >> the standard could be something like negligence, violation of the rules of ordinary care. what are the regulations? what are the baltimore rules for police officer
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police officers by the way the city of baltimore has paid a lot of money in recent years because of civil lawsuits against the police department. this isn't exactly a farfetched possibility. but violation of the rules, i think that would be a hard basis for a criminal case. that's a very different much higher standard. that would be important evidence. >> yeah. everyone, thank you as always. we have got to take another short break. in addition to his interest as an elected official, he also has family ties. now has the case.
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it's night three of the curfew, 28 minutes away. a lot of people still out in the streets both here in philadelph philadelphia, cincinnati and ball moore. a lot of people were having
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impromptu skugs is that still going on? >> the police wsh mingingle among them trying to find leaders to come and not block traffic. finally cummings came here along with state senator and were trying to get people to move away. telling them that the state's attorney has the case. they haven't all moved out. >> i just got here. >> and you were talking, it was a big debate going on. >> i was just explaining to them that the case is now in the hands of our state's attorney who is a very dynamic lawyer, 35
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years old, and just a bill yant woman with tremendous integrity. what i was explain something if she is not satisfied with what the police department has given her, she can -- she can get any kind of information she wants, bring in new experts, i want her to search for the truth. sir ch for the whole truth. >> you are their only voice. what do you think of that? these people are incredibly frus traded. i'm very sflar. all i can do is try to explain
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to them and put it in lay lang wanl what the process is. we must allow the process to go forward. we will stick with this until the end. but the fact is now we have a state's attorney who we are very proud of. we trust her. we believe in her. i want her to get the facts right. she will apply the law. that's her job. okay? i believe in her. >> senator, thank you very much. >> moving into the middle of this intersection with other things trying to appeal to the crowd. they have gotten a lot of people moved over in just the prince. he hads made a huge difference
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in the past few minutes. >> we have congressman cummings out there with the bull horn and he expressed his faith in marilyn mosby. joining me now is someone who shares that sentiment. he is a member of the city council. councilman mrve mosby, thank you. how concerned are you about what you have heard over the last 24 hours. and wjla, a possible head injury. >> specially regarding the extra stop it's really concerning. folks already have distrust in the criminal justice system.
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why was he detained and bha was he charged for. and right away, i think that drew skepticism and exacerbated disgust. there's a number of people we have heard of tonight who say it all seems like it's kind of at peace. it's all setting up a narrative that freddie injured himself inside this vehicle and that's something that many people we have talked to object and it adds to the suspicion. >> folks are concerned. it seems very interesting. i think that's why it's critically important that there have been three independent
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investigations going on to root out and find out what has happened. >> she has been working around the clock. i vice president really talked to her today. the pastor was talking about right person right place right time. just speaking in general and it's truly right. now talk about this movement and it's interesting to see the guys who have taken on this movement.
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guys are really speaking out. i think it's a cull my mags of a lot of things in american history. >> i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. appreciate it. up next, the major is going to join us with protesters still out on the streets tonight. details tonight.
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this is a body of proof! taking a look at live pictures now from fill tell fee ya, we have been following live developments and looking very closely at what has been going on in philadelphia. it's just a bit north here joining us now is michael
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nutter. what do you make of bwhat you have been seeing here on the streets? >> we have had hundreds of people assembled first at city hall for a rally and then the demonstrators start to march. first in a couple of different directions all of which has been peaceful, all of which has been in concert with the philadelphia police department, patrol officers and sill vil affairs officers and others who march along for protection purposes and guidance along with the demonstrators and there really have not been any major issues as they have continued to express they're first amendment rights and have marched throughout different parts of the city. people want answers and justice.
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answers should be provided. whether it's in the freddie gray case as different pieces are coming out which create a little confusion. the folks in baltimore and the prosecutor and those folks will deal with that. on the ground here, demonstrators are doing what they're doing and as we have had okay pied and demonstrations coming out of the situation in ferguson or in statt nempb island, our focus is on making sure the demonstrators are able to eker size their first amendment right and that people are safe in the course of their demonstrations. >> it's a challenging situation and i appreciate you talking to us. reverend harold carter jr. is the pastor. he has been calling for peace
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and trying to broker it and meeting with rival gang members. let me start off with you. how do you think things are going? >> thank you for having me. thanks to surprisingly the street organizations, the bloods and krips and black gorilla family have done a lot to maintain the order and breaking up the fights. i have seen a lot of peace but i have seen a lot of incitement by the officers and national guard. >> do you -- you have got be pleased with the response from members of the community. we have seen church groups and pastors manning the community. we saw a mom with her 14-year-old daughter the other night standing arm and arm with police saying themselves, that's
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gotd to be good to see this kind of outpouring of involvement. >> it's wonderful and beautiful. people ip spite of all the things we have to go through we will pull together so we're thankful for members of the clergy like dr. carter and dr. reed who have pulled the community together. >> as leaks are starting to come out, it makes people more suspicion there are a lot of people on the streets tonight and again a big question about what may happen tomorrow. >> i really wish to a great extend that the report had remained confidential. the little small tidbits that we have been getting i think are doing more harm, raising much to our chagrin questions without
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any answers. i think that is something that should have remained behind closed doors until the completed process has come to due course. >> i have talked to a lot of people who have been in schools the last couple of days trying to tamp down expectations some people believing there will be an indictment and charges brought and we will not know much more tomorrow night than night. >> i was in if schools this morning. i wz talking to sixth graders about being leaders for the future. they can be the change that they wish to see. >> when do you do that do you get optimism? >> today i traugt on leading
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through a social crisis. i had the young people scream out i am a leader. some of the young sisters and brothers who may not have meals on their tables, for them to scream oum that and have a smile, i could sleep a little easier at night knowing that in the future some of the youpg brothers and sisters who are ridicules and decemb ridicules and december despised that they will be the future. >> are you confident that baltimore will get bet sner we have seen the best of baltimore and some negative stuff as well but we have seen a lot of good positive stuff people taking care of chair munties? >> our nickname is charm city. and there isn't a greater amount of charm that continues to draw people all over the world to our
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harbor to our neighborhoods and churches. i'm a person of faith and to that end it has to get better. i celebrate the power of prayer. one of our loi call churches, several thousand persons are there. we believe in the power of god. as always, thank you. >> pleasure to have you both on. we will check in on what's going on on the streets. we will be right back.
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[ singing] ♪ let it shine, threat shine, oh, in my heart, i'm going to ♪ protesters and people of baltimore have heard a lot of news today. let's listen in. ♪ threat shine, threat shine, let it shine, all in my heart, i'm going to threat shine. all in my heart, i'm going to ♪
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♪ let it shine, threat shine ♪ all -- >> chris, we're -- i want to bring in chris who's with our protesters tonight. explain what's going on. >> reporter: this is a beautiful demonstration of the community coming together. they went around all the groups of young people who were certainly more angry and rebellious than we've seen other nights. and they went out of the area where police are and literally, it's a demonstration of the community coming together for
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the best and certainly they're angry. elijah comings said let's remember what brings us together as people and behind them is basically everybody who was in that intersection and now they're all together and working towards a situation of nonconfrontation tonight. >> so, are they walk now away to honor the curfew or are they -- where are the police in relation to this? >> reporter: in somewhat of a mutual sign of respect, anderson, the police stayed where they were and i dent know where elijah is taking them. and we're walking down towards stanford place which is one of the side streets up here. we're not far from where freddy gray got taken into custody and
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ultimately how he lost his life down pennsylvania avenue, where we're walking right now. i'll ask him where we're going. where we headed, elijah? what do you want me to tell him, anderson? >> do you know how many people are in that group? >> reporter: i'd say there are about 300 or so. the helicopter above right now is reminding them that it's curfew. and they're going to ask people to disperse. we'll see what happens then but we have not seen a more organized move around curfew than the one orc straighted right now. they're stopping now. >> i want to continue looking at the images that chris cuomo is seeing on your left hand side is
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the team in philadelphia, a large group of people who have been demonstrating now for several hours. curfew is three minutes away here in the city of baltimore and on the left hand side of your screen we talked to the mayor of philadelphia and that's the scene as a large group of demonstrators moved. we now have a situation in baltimore here with the curfew rapidly approaching. let's listen in to what they're telling it crowd here in baltimore. [ yelling] >> i just want to say one thing -- >> and forensic scientist, as we watch these two cities not too
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far apart and this show of unity in the city of philadelphia for the city of baltimore and for the protests in baltimore. sunny, there's been a lot of talk all week long in expectations for friday. and community leaders have been trying to lower those expectations. and police releasing some information today about a second stop and perhaps that puts some of the pressure off of tomorrow, it also raises other questions and some distrust about the process. >> i think that is right and i really think community leaders have dawn terrific job in managing expectations. today the baltimore state's attorn a's office making it very clear that answers would not be forth coming tomorrow. and the report may be coming tomorrow which may be somewhat
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incendiary -- >> do we know what is -- >> my understanding is that could be released publicly and that might be a problem but i do think management has been very, very good. >> and a lot to be learned from that full autopsy report. without that, there are so many questions one can't answer. >> i think that's correct and an examination of the servical spine and to see where the break took place can give us some insight as to what kind of trauma caused the break, the severance of the spinal cord. >> we have about 30 seconds left before curfew starts to take effect. and i'm handing things over to don lemon. and city of baltimore on the right, very small group now of
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protesters, people who have been out on the streets. you saw there congressman elijah comings leading a large group away and the city of brultherly love in philadelphia. >> it was new york that had the protests and arrests. it seems to be much more peaceful in philadelphia. we have a lot to get to. what's going on at 10:00 p.m.? it is curfew time in maryland. it is the third night ina row tt they've had this curfew. it's all calm now. today, we learned new things. two key developments. the


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