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protesters have a point. are you worried about appearance of any conflict of interest? >> i don't see an appearance of conflict of interest. my husband is a public servant. he works on the legislative side. i'm a prosecutor and also a public servant. i uphold the laws. he makes the laws. i will prosecute any case within my jurisdiction. >> reporter: can you tell us about the independent investigators that assisted in this case and why you brought them in? >> i thought it was important to have an independent analysis of what took place and transpired from the beginning. we are an independent agency from the police department. >> reporter: what needs to be done to make sure that what happened to freddie gray doesn't happen again? >> accountability. >> reporter: how do you get that? >> you get it today.
>> reporter: talk about the resources you had independently of the police department. >> as i stated, a number of investigators. it's been all hands on approach from the very beginning. so i sent my investigators out to the scene. we have a number of them who are right here. we have working collaboration and working with the baltimore sheriff's department who has police powers and again independent from the baltimore city police department so, yes, we have leveraged the police investigation but at no point did we compromise our own independent investigation into this case. >> a few more questions and that's it. >> reporter: do you think it's important to change the rights police have right now where they have ten days to not talk to anybody? >> i can't give you my opinion on that. >> last question. >> i've spoken with the
commissioner and the mayor and the governor. i spoke with the governor. i spoke with the commissioner. >> reporter: can you tell us about the officers' background? >> i can't do that. again, we have to be mindful that this is still an ongoing investigation and i can't -- i have to be mindful of what can come out at this point. >> thank you all very much. >> thank you. >> i'm john berman here in baltimore. i want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. kate bolduan joins me in new york. what you just saw was a surprise to this city and frankly probably the entire country. state's attorney marilyn mosby who directs prosecution here in the city of baltimore has determined that the death of freddie gray was a homicide and there is probable cause to press charges against the six police officers who dealt with him more than ten days ago. a warrant has now been issued for the arrest of those six
officers on charges that range as high as manslaughter. basically murder charges are being filed against some of these officers and more than that. the state's attorney painted a picture of gross negligence, malpractice by these police. they say they had no cause to arrest freddie gray in the first place and then when he came into their custody, there was a pattern of negligence and mistreatment that led to his death. the actual death caused by being unrestrained while he was shackled and handcuffed in the back of that police van. when the state's attorney marilyn mosby read that information she'll be pressing information against those officers, there were audible cries here in the square in front of city hall. her news conference just about a hundred yards away from where i am standing right now. ashleigh banfield was there for that remarkable bit of information from the state's attorney.
ashleigh? >> i am astounded at hearing this level of information, this degree of progress in this investigation and this action. i never expected for a moment that this would happen today, that probable cause would be found and announced and arrest warrants would go out. i'm just going to quickly -- this was tough writing this down fast while juggling microphones, et cetera. this is tough. i'll tell you. i believe that officer porter, one of the six, is actually charged with second-degree murder. excuse me. officer goodsen charged with second-degree murder. that person is the driver of the van. there is a list of charges that followed that for officer goodsen. involuntary manslaughter, second-degree manslaughter. failure to render aid. a long rift flist for all offic. officer rice involuntary
manslaughter, assault. missing a couple. i'll bring in evan perez. you got that faster than i did. thank god they handed out the document. i was writing so quickly. it's critical that officer goodsen got depraved heart murder. that's the most serious charge among them. evan perez, i don't know how you process that amount of information that we just took in from the state's attorney. i don't think i have seen something that fast against that many parties. >> the interesting thing here is that charges all relate to the lacking probable cause to make the arrest. >> that's for three officers who got the charge of false imprisonment. >> that's correct. and the failure to render aid to freddie gray despite all of the signs that he was suffering and that he was having medical issues and that he needed a medic and was not provided with one. for the people on the streets who wanted murder charges against these officers, obviously there's some
disappointment on that. >> they got one. they got one second-degree depraved heart murder. the driver of the van is being targeted here. the focus of what happened to freddie and why freddie died is really heading toward the officer. officer goodsen is facing six charges. brian rice is also facing six charges. the highest is involuntary manslaughter. there's a couple others. there's officer white as well. the only female that i believe is in this list. she sort of came in at the end of this whole process. she did not according to the state's attorney render enough aid where this went on for over a half hour. >> again, made the additional stop that police learned about on friday and that had not been previously disclosed. he did not report that additional stop according to the police. >> one other thing that we learned about these stops, which i found really remarkable in
terms of the volume of information and detail that marilyn mosby gave us is i believe she said it was officer goodsen who came out and actually placed freddie gray face down lying on his stomach in the van and then continued the routes he went and ultimately picked up the other prisoner. i think the focus right now is so far on caesar goodsen because of the six different times that marilyn mosby said this van stopped, freddie gray was either assessed, cuffed but put back in the van without medical assistance that he needed and ultimately put back in the van in ways that could be determined to be very dangerous. stomach down with his head facing the rear of the van. >> that's correct. not only that but stopping all of those times and not checking on him and not providing -- >> checking on him but not doing anything with the check saying the checks were made but medical assistance was not rendered. these charges are just
remarkable. every single one of these officers is either facing murder, manslaughter -- these are just top charges. murder, manslaughter, assault in the second degree and then also assault in the second degree for officer miller and manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter for alicia white. hectic scene with city officials and media. >> people from the community who were cheering and who said yes when she announced she was bringing these charges. it's also interesting to me, ashleigh, that she made a point of saying that she was not relying solely on the police investigation. she brought in outsider including apparently people from the baltimore sheriff's office to help conduct her independent investigation. she wasn't relying on it. it was helpful that they provided that information to her yesterday but it wasn't the thing. >> won't the only thing.
>> that was critical. how much could you have read through and incorporated into your decision and it looked like her independent investigation didn't leave anything out and she felt the police investigation was information she already knew. john, let me just tell you she wrapped up that news conference saying to the youth of this community. this is critical. nobody wants this to blow up again on the streets of baltimore. she wants to seek justice for them and she called this your moment. i'm going to toss it back to you. i want to find out, we have something happening beside us. back to you. >> all right. thanks so much. we'll look into the community reaction, what they now think since they have heard this news, which broke just moments ago. charges being filed against the six officers who dealt with freddie gray more than ten days ago. charges ranging all of the way up to second-degree murder. i have this bit of information. the arraignment for these six police officers will happen today in mitchell courthouse in downtown baltimore.
these officers may be given the option of appearing remotely by video news conference. warrants now have been issued for their arrest. again, the charges range from basic negligence all of the way to second-degree murder. i'm joined here by our legal analyst, sunny hostin. i'm also joined by state senator kathr let me get your legal reaction. the mantra here was patience. we won't get information any time soon. this was the opposite of wait and see in some ways. this was we're pressing charges right now. we know enough to know that these officers, the state prosecutor says, we know enough to know they behaved improperly. >> we needed a decisive prosecutor on this matter and we got what we needed. i have never seen a prosecutor outline a case like this in such detail with such transparency
and i am really thrilled quite frankly that she handled it in this way. this is what the nation needs. her reaction to this and her transparency should be looked at by all in her position. she had an independent investigative team working on this from the beginning. you know that i have been an advocate for independent investigators because as a former prosecutor myself, i know how very difficult it is to ask your officers to investigate their own. so the fact that from the first day she had her own investigative team handling this is why we have that report right now and why we have the charges now. >> to that point, we learned over the last several minutes in the last day that much of what we were told by police has turned out not to be true. we have been told it was a
switchblade in his possession. that's why he was arrested. he did not have a switchblade. the blade he had was legal. no grounds for arrest. up until yesterday we didn't know about this extra stop in front of that korean grocery. now we know that. there's new information coming out by the investigation from this state's attorney that we did not know before. sunny, hang on for one moment. i want to get your reaction, senator. >> i don't think anybody in the country will question marilyn mosby's age at this stage of the game. baltimore elected her. she got right on it. i love the fact that she did an independent investigation and i think she's given voice to the community. she's let people here what needs to be heard. she's been transparent. the conduct of these officers is indicative of what's happening around the country and again had there not been for some of the social media and so forth, we would not know what we know
today. the independent cameras out there providing the community and the police department and certainly the state's attorney who said she had the information that everybody saw being delivered on yesterday. so i think that this in some way satisfies the community. it also outrages us that something like this can continue to occur. this is systemic of things that are happening around the nation and what we're talking about is the need for police reform and for them to understand that we pay them to protect and serve and not to attack our community. this is one thing that has taken place. i think what has happened is this begins to ignite the conversation that you were talking about that needs to take place throughout this nation about having these opinions of what you see when you look at people of color and prejudging what they're doing and what they're saying. one of the things i said from the very first is why did they stop him in the first place and what kind of charges could they possibly bring and now we know that the stop -- what they arrested him for was not even
legal. >> based on what she said, even had freddie gray survive, she paints a picture of a pattern of behavior that's not acceptable for police officers according to her at this stage right now. what do you think? it's been a mere few minutes right now. what do you think reaction will be? several marches already planned for this afternoon. will it be relief? >> i think there will be relief but people will continue to demonstrate peacefully because what this is showing the world is this is something that's just not happening here in baltimore. you have seen the protests in philadelphia and new york, denver, all around the nation. unfortunately for freddie, he becomes a symbol of what needs to take place in terms of transition that police departments ought to be making. one of the things i continue to advocate for is that we do psychological testing on these police officers who are in the streets and who become incenpre
in our neighborhoods. we can't have these things continuing. this is systemic of issues around the nation and when you look in these communities, you can't prejudge the people. i heard a gentleman talking about folks in the ghetto. you can't prejudge people because they live in a certain area. that does not mean they are unlawful people. >> quickly, sunny, a quick answer here. was it too fast? there have been such a message of patience over the last few days, there will be people that say hang on, if we were supposed to wait and let the process work its course, did she come to the decision too quickly? >> i don't think so. people will be critical. it's clear that she conducted an independent investigation and her investigation was confirmed by the police department investigation and she also has the report from the medical examiner. as a prosecutor, i often wonder why it takes months and months and months to come to a conclusion. if you are a good prosecutor, if you have a thorough investigation, and if you also trust your investigators, there is no need to have several
month's long investigation. if you look at the south carolina case, that officer was charged very, very quickly. >> i want to get reaction from the law enforcement community. kate bolduan is in new york for that. kate? >> john, thank you so much. we'll continue our breaking news coverage as we continue this conversation. let me bring in our players and our analysts and experts who are going to be discussing this. here in studio, mel robbins, cnn legal analyst and tom verny, former nypd detective. tom fuentes is joining us from washington, former fbi assistant director and we have marc lamont hill joining us live from los angeles. a lot to digest, everyone. let's take this piece by piece. mel, first to you. we had the opportunity in that press conference it came out quick, fast and surprising these charges against these officers. we've had a second to digest what they are now charged with.
let's talk about the most damning and most serious of these charges and what that means. the most serious charge as you have been iteming me is against officer goodsen, the driver of the police van. second-degree depraved murder. what does that mean? >> let's back it up a minute and put it in context. basically what you typically have in every single state are first-degree murder, which means i intended to kill you. i planned it. that's usually the most serious. then you step it down a little bit. interestingly in maryland, the way they define second-degree murder is they say it's when you're responsible for the murder of somebody else but it's not first degree. so you didn't necessarily intend on it. you didn't preplan it. what you need to prove in this particular case is the fact -- she talked about it a lot. gross negligence. recklessness. his behavior was the direct result of freddie gray's death.
it wasn't heat of the passion kind of struggle. this wasn't a mistake. this was intentional actions on this officer's part that resulted in gross negligence that was the direct cause of freddie gray's death. this is a very serious charge. he could be sentenced, if convicted, to 30 years in prison. >> to some of the quotes i remember hearing from the prosecutor, grossly negligent, manner in how they handled freddie gray, no effort to assess his condition, no medical assistance rendered by any officer at any time. a lot of this now, tom, focuses squarely on what happened in that police van. the prosecutor said several times that they didn't do anything to try to help this man when he was injured even saying that they failed to put him in a seat belt for at least the fifth time talking about officer goodsen. let's focus in on that for you. police protocol. they were supposed to put him in a seat belt. we heard that from the police
commissioner. that was wrong. what's your reaction when we hear how this prosecutor laid out what happened. she says that his injury, his fatal injury, was the result of being handcuffed, shackled and unsecured by a seat belt while in the police van. >> we knew early on that officers didn't follow protocol by seat belting him in the back of the van. we knew there was an injury that took place as a result of that. so this corroborates a lot of what we already knew. the officers at a minimum because they didn't seat belt him in and they didn't get him medical attention in a timely manner, at a minute they would says departmental charges if not criminal charges because of that. this confirms that. now we hear about the fact that the actions of the officers have actually risen to having probable cause to arrest each and every one of them. that's a problem. we had a situation with the community where they have a
perception about police that they are doing things illegal but having said that, let's remember that the prosecutor is able to make these charges because of the investigation done by the baltimore police department. so let's keep that in perspective. >> by her office. she was stunning in marching through -- that was the thing that was so surprising about this press conference. when can you ever remember seeing a prosecutor come out before grand jury, before actually arresting the officers -- >> she had other options. >> she did. she handled this brilliantly. she let an avalanche of evidence and a very specific time line and we talked only about second-degree murder. the driver is also charged with two statutes that involve the driving of the van. there is a statute in maryland, manslaughter by vehicle. that carries ten years in prison and they have to prove he was grossly negligent in the way he operated the vehicle. they also charged him with
criminally negligent manslaughter which is a different standard. it's lower. not gross negligence. it's whether or not he deviated from the standard practice of the police, which she clearly outlined in her indictment of these guys during the press conference and the sergeant. she also charged the sergeant. there was a moment in that press conference -- this is the moment that i lean forward and said oh my god. she says that the officer, sergeant alicia white, is accused of opening up the back of that door. this is in the third or fourth stop. this is the stop she was talking about where he was unresponsive at that time. she even put her hand on his head and he was unresponsive and they did not call for any medical attention. she has been charged with involuntary manslaughter, which is a gross negligent standard and carries ten years in prison. so those are the top line charges. the second-degree murder charge on the driver.
the involuntary manslaughter charges related to the vehicle and involuntary manslaughter charges related to the conduct of three of these officers. >> amazing charges. bombshell coming out from baltimore from the city prosecutor. let's get back to the ground. john berman is on the ground dissecting and trying to digest as we all are amazing amount of detail that this prosecutor went into. >> thanks so much. the state attorney marilyn mosby announcing moments ago to the youth of the city i will seek justice on your behalf in announcing a range of charges against six police officers. the highest being against officer caesar goodson, the driver of that police van who will be charged with second-degree depraved heart murder. other officers will face involuntary manslaughter charges dealing with negligence. there are people on the streets learning of this information.
a man with a bullhorn chanting right now. i'm joined by sunny hostin here with me in front of city hall. sunny, help me understand what second-degree depraved heart murder is. that is what the officer who was driving the truck will be charged with. >> i'm looking at the charging document now. it's really interesting. the difference between second-degree murder and manslaughter is intent. so the state's attorney office is charging caesar with intentionally killing mr. gray. that's difficult to prove. >> it will be difficult to prove. that's the most extreme charge and there are a range of lesser charges that also carry serious jail time up to ten years or more. sunny, hang on one second. i want to go to rene marsh who is on the streets and has someone with her for reaction. >> i want to tell you that we're at this intersection and from time to time you'll hear horns
beeping. that's what we've been hearing. people approving what they heard the state attorney say. one of the people out here who we know approves, stephanie, come in. i know you live in the area. your initial reaction when you heard that all six officers there is probable cause to arrest them. >> tears of joy. to see the city come together as one and they came to get these six police. >> at any point did you doubt this would be the announcement that would be made by the state attorney? >> i did. i didn't think the police would actually get what they got. i thought it would be swept under the carpet like it always has been and now justice has revealed. i'm happy. i'm very happy. just don't know. >> now we know that she says she found probable cause to charge. is your optimism equally as high that after the trial they will be found guilty of those
charges? >> i believe, yes. everybody in baltimore city is going to come down there and keep pressing like they're doing now. it will go through. it has to go through. >> you trust in the system? >> believe me, i trust in the black community. we didn't push, these young kids didn't beat police up, we wouldn't have even came this far. >> stephanie, thank you so much. i know you heard in the background there and from time to time all that beeping. people are happy to hear at least the first step here in which the state attorney has announced that there's enough probable cause to charge these six officers. john? >> so interesting. you asked your guest if they expected this to happen. i was at an intersection not far from where you were yesterday talking to young men here and they absolutely did not expect this. they certainly did not expect it soon. they are under the belief here, many people are, that the system is rigged against them and they
were saying that if it had been them, charges would have already been filed. you hear that on the streets if this were me charges would already be filed. now they have been filed. i'm wondering if you can show me the scene from where you are. i know that law enforcement started ramping up in the minutes before the state's attorney press conference. they obviously knew something was going on. they increased the security presence. show me what's around you in terms of both security and in terms of the population on the streets. >> if you look just across the street here and of course it's an intersection so it may be difficult, you'll see there is still a presence but the shields are up. they look like they're in a much more relaxed mode. i'm going to have my photographer just kind of turn around bit more to your left so you can see the presence here to the left. so they are still here. however, you know, they look a bit relaxed here. we also saw a couple members from the national guard, they
did leave shortly after. again, there's still a presence here. i have to tell you though, john, i spoke with another young man who says to me, look, this is great news. he was surprised at the fact that the state attorney announced that there is enough probable cause to charge these individuals but he, unlike stephanie that we just heard from, he's not optimistic -- take a listen. you can hear that. that's what we hear in the intersection. [ honking horns ] that's what we've been seeing minute after minute as cars come
through. peep are just excited. many that i spoke to say they just did not expect this. they said in the words of a young man i just spoke to five minutes ago, he expected the story to play out like how it played out before many times before in which they did not think any charges or any probable cause would be filed against these officers. so they feel a bit victorious out here but then there's a second half. you can see they're in the middle there waving their hands pumping their fists. i want to introduce you to someone here. i saw this woman across the street. you were very energetic. what is your first name? >> my name is lisa. last name is mills. this is a statement not just for baltimore but for the united
states of america. i want to tell you, we got good police officers and it's just those few bad officers we don't want them here. we don't want them disrespecting the name of our police department. okay. i'm so excited. it's tremendous. >> i've been asking everybody this question. are you surprised at what the state attorney announced? did you expect this? >> i'm not surprised at all. it was obvious just by the small amount of footage that we have seen so far that the police did not follow the orders the way they should have. they did not follow procedures. they did not follow procedures. they did not. >> thank you so much. if you look at this man, he's gotten emotional here, john. >> we gave our lives for this country. look at you. is this what it's coming to,
man? i love this [ bleep ] country, too. just as much as we do. we're fighting for a reason, man. i was willing to give my life for this country, man. look at this community now, man. >> i see that you are very emotional. you're very emotional. tell me and explain to me where that's coming from. >> this is crazy. how can we be part of this country? look at this. >> the state attorney just announced that -- >> i heard all that. it's the same script, just different time. >> you don't believe charges in the end -- >> i don't believe anything until i see the end result. we got to stop being pacified every time they throw us a bone where they want us to calm down. we need to wait for the end result to come in. i was willing to give my life
for this country. look at my community, man. look around here. the same people who we go to war with coming to war on us. when i was in the marine corps, they called me a patriot. a marine. now that i'm fighting for my people they call me a [ bleep ] thug. they called me a thug when i fight for my people. >> it sounds like you're not satisfied with the state attorney's announcement? >> look around. would you be satisfied? would you be satisfied with this if it was your community? i don't even live around here. these are my people. you don't tell me where to go. i have family here. i'm a victim. you want me to show you how many times? this isn't about you and i, man.
look around. look around. >> all right. you can see there's a combination of emotios here. people who are happy with the verdict of what the state attorney had to say and some people who are just not satisfied because this is just the beginning. obviously this has not gone to trial yet. in this intersection a mix of emotions at this point. >> it's a great way to put it. a mix of emotions. a palpable buzz in baltimore. it's not just helicopters that are flying overhead to get the aerial images on the streets. there are people with bullhorns and people with whistles and people honking their car horns as they drive and they are learning this news that charges will be filed against six police officers in the death of freddie gray ranging all of the way to second-degree depraved heart murder against officer caesar goodson, the officer driving the
van when freddie gray so says the state prosecutor, banged his head or had his head banged up against the back of that van causing that spinal cord injury, which ultimately led to his death. i'm joined right now by bishop walter scott thomas, the preacher at the baptist church, one of the largest churches here in the city of baltimore. i have to say, this is so important. over the last several days, there has so much work in this community to keep things calm and to keep things peaceful. we have seen it from clergy and from elected officials. we've seen it from law enforcement as well and it has largely been successful since the riot broke out on monday. what do you think the reaction is today as we go forward and what do you intend to bring to the community as a message? >> this is one. most positive days we've seen in my lifetime. i think the community is going to be excited by this. the young people -- there will be those who have expected more but the reason they will expect
more is because the problems are so great. but for the majority of persons in this city, this is an unbelievable and unprecedented activity. the state's attorney charged people today. that was not something anyone was expecting. >> i think you're right. we're here with sunny hostin. i have talked to same people you have. people did not expect this. at least not today they did not expect it. we heard a frustrated man that doesn't trust the legal system. this is the system at work, working the way that people have been frustrated it hasn't been working in the past. officers may not be convicted. they'll face a jury. >> the process has started. wednesday night we were afraid it was going to be bad today. so the pastors do what pastors do. we call the city to pray.
we call our friends across the country. we were worried about what would happen. we're a working community but we serve god. we know that only god could fix the problem here. did we expect something this monumental? no. did we expect to hear the state's attorney give down indictments? no. are we excited about it? absolutely. this calms a lot in our city. our young people have never seen a victory. many of them who we see 17 or 18, they came to their teenage years with trayvon martin. they have seen one defeat -- one person after another killed and nothing happened. >> you call this a victory. you're not calling the riots,
the violence that broke out on monday a victory. the victory is in the work done since then. the victory is in the process here in the city of baltimore with elected officials with this 35 year old elected state's attorney who is following the law, correct? >> the process gets the victory today. all of us tell young people to trust the process. trust the process. trust the process. they throw back in our faces you can't trust the process. and today we saw it work. >> i've been speaking to a lot of young people since i've been here back in baltimore and many, many young people were believing that these officers would not be charged and that they had no belief in the justice system and as a prosecutor, as a lawyer, that was so hurtful to me. they said our lives don't matter. so freddie gray's life won't matter. i think with this prosecutor coming forward and indicting the officers, even if there isn't a
conviction, the notion now is that his life matters enough for these officers to be held accountable and for the process to begin. >> that's the key. for process to begin. we have never seen the process begin and now we get to see it. our youngsters, this is new to them. it will take them a while to digest what this even means. they will now watch what the process looks like and how it goes step by step. they will learn. i'm 65. i was alive and a teenager in college when the riots in baltimore in '68, when we were the ones said black lives matter. i was in college. we were the generation saying black lives don't matter. >> you're 65 years old. you look much younger than that. let's stipulate that. you have seen a lot. you seem surprised today. you seem flat out stunned by
what happened today. what made the difference? >> i'm a pastor and a preacher. i have to give credit to god. what else can you give credit to for this? no station was reporting before she spoke. i had cnn in my ear while i was standing down there with just seven-second delay and i heard the person downplaying expectations, which was the normal and right thing to do. no one expected this. this is such a blast out of the unusual. you have to credit it to someone who has unusual power. >> stand by for a minute. the news out of baltimore today charges being filed against six police officers now in the death of freddie gray deemed a homicide. very emotional time here in this city. and as we've been on the air for the last few minutes, you heard language, some salty language. it's understandable at times like this. we're sorry that it got on the
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youth of this city, i will seek justice on your behalf. that justice coming from the state's attorney. she's pressing charges against six police officers. she's deemed the death of freddie gray more than ten days ago to be a homicide. charges being filed against those six officers ranging as high as depraved heart murder. those charges filed against caesar goodson driving the police van in which freddie gray sustained the injuries to his spinal cord allegedly that ultimately led to his death. i'm joined by marc lamont hill from los angeles. we have talked so many times about the issues affecting this city and cities across the country right now. i can tell you the reaction here to the news that charges have been filed. emotional on the streets here. people are bullhorns. car horns being blown. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is one of
surpri surprise. i've been talking to people on the ground for the last three days. many thought friday would be a big day. manage your expectations. there won't be bad news on friday. there won't be any good news either. when that presser happened and news came out, people were cheering in the streets. they thought nothing good would come from this press conference. instead they got something they didn't expect. i thought it was important that she outlined that drive freddie gray was on because it talks to the experience of black men and women every day often times picked up for no reason and handcuffed without charges and rough ride in the van. these things get swept under the rug. it's important those things got laid out. we have to give ms. mosby credit here. she stood up to law enforcement and to police.
often times state prosecutors stay on the same side of the fence as law enforcement. she stood up and was courageous and laid those charges out. i have to say to the community. the protests that happened from day one are partly what led to this. that's what put a spotlight on this case. that's what led to more information to come out and what led to more video to come out. the protests of the last ten days are exactly why we're in the place that we are. this speaks to the power of why we fight. >> it's important you point out that state prosecutors stand up to place. some of the information we were given initially has turned out not to be true. initially we were told that freddie gray had a switchblade. he did not have a switchblade the evidence shows. he had a legal knife. no cause for arrest him in the first place. even had he not died, marc, as a result of injuries suffered in the back of the van, the
behavior, she says, of those officers was at a minimum negligent if not much, much worse. he was asking for medical assistance. that assistance was not rendered. they observed him to need assistant a assistance and didn't get him what he needed. you say the protests over the last ten days have made a difference. it's really more than the last ten days. the spotlight has been on this issue for some time now. >> absolutely. you're right. that's why earlier in the week i made a point to call these uprisings because it's not an isolated incident. there's politics behind this. a level of organization behind this and profound frustration by black and brown people in this country and white citizens at this point that law enforcement has overstepped its bounds and ritual of policing in america needs to be changed and practice of policing needs to be changed and we need wholesale criminal just reform at the least in this nation. national spotlight was on
baltimore and led to something that might be good. we also can't celebrate too early. this wouldn't be the first time we've seen people charged and then ultimately not convicted because of some malfunction with the jury, some sort of prosecutorial error, some sort of misjudgment. sometimes a rogue jury. all sorts of things could happen. i'm happy that we moved this far, i'm also very measured in my satisfaction as i said earlier. absolutely. this is a nationwide conversation. >> marc lamont hill, measured satisfaction. some reaction on the streets is they are grateful to some of law enforcement for the behavior over the last several days to help keep the peace after violence that broke out on monday and one reason you hear people satisfied that charges have been pressed, no one convicted but charges filed right now, it puts blame on what people consider to be bad practices by officers and doesn't condemn every police officer. i think that's important to note here. i want to bring in joe johns.
joe is standing by at a police staging area. marches are planned for later today. big protests for this weekend and before this news was announced just a short time ago, there was some concern in the community here that these protests could take a bad turn over the coming days. joe? >> there was a lot of concern especially on saturday when the very same group that held a protest last saturday and brought huge numbers of people was planning another one for tomorrow. i have been reaching out for reaction around the city on the announcement by maryland mosby. i've been told the mayor of baltimore will be scheduling a news conference around 1:00 eastern time here in the city
and also appears that she's going to try to take control of the message that has really gotten out of control in many ways for the baltimore city government. she's been criticized by officials and individuals who are familiar with how city governments work around the country that she wasn't aggressively in control of the message. we're told to expect a news conference and to hear from her around 1:00 eastern time here in the city. also i spoke to congressman elijah cummings of maryland. the congressman marching around the city with protesters but aggressively trying to keep the peace. he told me that he was very pleased with the fact that in his view mosby looked carefully at the evidence and believes in
her integrate. he is expected to show up around city hall probably within the hour as more and more people who have been players in this drama that's been seen around the nowt to react to the news that charges are being if filed in the case. john, back to you. >> yeah. i have to say, there's nothing less than excitement here in many quarters that the process has played out this way. again, these six officers not convicted of anything but they will be charged and many people here in the city see that as the process working or as they would say, finally workingp. there is so much more to discuss including what will happen over the next several hours. school will be letting out soon. so many students part of the unrest on monday they will be getting this news for the first time and going home. what will happen then? we're going to speak to some people here who have been working with the community. so stay with us. jo
john berman in baltimore. the state's attorney announced she has deemed the death of freddie gray to be a homicide and filing charges against the six police officers involved. she says in his death. let me lay out these charges for you right now. for officer caesar goodson, the man driving the police van, second degree depraved hard murder and involuntary manslaughter and second degree negligent assault. for officer william porter he faces involuntary manslaughter, assault in the second degree, misconduct in office. those are just some of the charges. also lieutenant brian rice, charged with involuntary manslaughter. you guys to keep moving this, assault in the second degree, misconduct in office, false imprisonment. edward nero faces intentional assault in the second degree,
second degree negligent misconduct in office, false imprisonment. there is also officer garret miller, who is charged with intentional assault in the second degree, assault in the second degree, negligent misconduct, false imprisonment and finally alicia white, involuntary manslaughter, misconduct in office. a wide array of charges against six police officers. the second degree heart murder against officer goodson carries a maximum 30 years in prison if convicted of the charges. joined by jeh johnson, national organizer of national black lives matter.com. you were with marilyn mosby in the moment she is made this dramatic announcement. she did not tell you what she was going to say. you did not know what her decision would be. describe what is but like to be with her and as she made that announcement. >> let me clarify something. official black lives matter.com is different than black lives matter.com.
we're focused on what happened here today, which is police brutality. in the moments before those announcements were made there was a tense atmosphere because everyone is looking to see whether or not this is going to reverberate across the nation. the people thought they had a case, the people did have a case. when she came out and made that announcement, you could have seen it like a tidal wave ripple across not only the faces of those folks the journalists and the correspondents, but those of us standing with her, those of us she asked to pray before she went out. a sense that what i'm about to deliver is not only going to be groundbreaking, but it is going to send a message to the people that we have heard you and she said that. and she reiterated that. i would say to all of the factions across the country, all the different organizations, each and every person who thought they had a voice in this matter, you were heard. so even though protests still go on, even though we see the wheels of justice now turning, we know it's a long process, but the only thing that they were asking was that they begin to
turn. and in turning they have. so when she announced this, you can imagine that all of us felt a sense of elation, but she gave no indication what was about to happen. >> is this proof to you that at least in this case,s to this system, that black lives do matter? >> well in actuality we've all heard it said all lives matter. all lives have always mattered. for some reason the statistic prove in the walter scott case, eric garner case, so many other cases across the country, this is not the first, probably won't be the last but we know there's a sense of redress. >> what she also did was lay out some of the evidence here she has not all of it, wasn't going to give us all, but she made the case and explained why in this case she is filing charges. >> in actuality what she also did was cleared up a lot of speculation, a lot of misinformation. she actually laid out the criminality of what actually happened. she showed probable cause and then on top of that, she then proceeded to say, i've issued a warrant. therefore, the people
collectively of the united states, that have lost trust in law enforcement, that have lost trust in the judicial system, now feel if they skrois their -- voice loud enough, their constitutional right as they have done across many cities, yesterday and now they can do this again today, to say that you hear us and that the system will respond. >> so now, what? now what? there are three demonstrations planned for this afternoon, big march for tomorrow. what do you want to see on the streets of baltimore now? >> one thing and one thing only. continue to raise awareness to the issue but celebrate. celebrate the victory that at this time, you have made the judicial and police force hear you, that now you can begin the dialog. we can celebrate by raising our hands to sing, celebrate by marching in a mass. this is not the nba or the final four, we don't have to burn stuff and turn stuff over, what we can do is it continue to show that people have always had the power. that's what the constitution was built on. those protests, still protesting
those issues that are still pending in other cities, baltimore has led the way, baltimore has made an example, so those protests should be celebratory. >> kate bald with me in new york. freddie gray his death deemed a homicide. charges filed against six police officers. more news after this. here at friskies, cats are in charge of approving every new recipe. because it's cats who know best what cats like to eat. up today, new friskies 7. we're trying seven cat-favorite flavors all in one dish. now for the moment of truth. yep, looks like it's time to share what our cats love, with your cats. new friskies 7. for cats. by cats.
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this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. i want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world as well. i'm coming to you live today from baltimore in front of the city hall. listen, this has been a heck of a day, a lot of surprises coming out of this city. 19 days after the arrest of freddie gray simply for making eye contact with a police officer on a bicycle. 12 days after mr. gray passed away from the broken neck that he suffered in the back of as police van, all six of the officers who were involved in that takedown and in the transportation of that 25-year-old previously healthy baltimore man, are now facing a arrests. the warrants went out. whether they're in custody we don't know that yet. the charges range from misconduct to second-degree murd.