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baltimore. thank you. and we continue on hour two here. i just want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. you're watching cnn's special live coverage just outside of baltimore city hall. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. we are watching a lot today. the demonstrations are about to begin any moment now. just walking around and talking to people i can tell you this is a very different city today than what we've all felt for the better part of the last week. there has been incredible frustration and anger. today you're hearing the honks, you're seeing these people there. a number of them are breathing a sigh of relief at least for now. many of who are satisfied. many of them celebrating in the wake of the news from the state's attorney this morning. these calls for justice may actually be quieted after this swift action by the state's attorney marilyn mosby. we heard from her just a couple hours ago. in fact steps from where i am
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now, just across from city hall at the war memorial she stood on those steps flanked by some of her staff and investigators. she announced that her office filed 28 criminal charges against those six officers who she stressed wrongfully arrested freddie gray back on april 12th. mosby detailed today how these officers repeatedly failed to help this 25-year-old as he was in that prison transport vehicle, as he suffered a fatal spinal injury in police custody. she detailed it all. >> the statement of probable cause is as follows. on april 12th, 2015, between 8:45 and 9:15 a.m. near the corner of north avenue and mount street, lieutenant brian rice of the baltimore police department while on bike patrol with officers garret miller and edward nero made eye contact with mr. freddie carlos gray jr.
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having made eye contact with mr. gray, mr. gray subsequently ran from lieutenant rice. officers miller and nero then handcuffed mr. gray and moved him to a location a few feet away from his surrendering location. mr. gray was then placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back. it was at this time that mr. gray indicated that he could not breathe and requested an inhaler to no avail. officers miller and nero then placed mr. gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. the blade of the knife was folded into the handle. the knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under maryland law. these officers subsequently removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk. mr. gray was then placed back down on his stomach at which time mr. gray began to flail his
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legs and scream as officer miller placed mr. gray in a restraining technique known as a leg lace. while another officer physically held him down against his will until a bpd wagon arrived to transport mr. gray. the officers failed to establish probable cause for mr. gray's arrest as no crime had been committed by mr. gray. accordingly, lieutenant rice, officer miller, and officer nero illegally arrested mr. gray. upon arrival of the transport wagon driven by officer cesar goodson, the officers loaded mr. gray into the wagon and at in point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon contrary to a bpd general order. lieutenant rice then directed bpd wagon to stop at baker street. at baker street, lieutenant rice, officer nero, and officer miller removed mr. gray from the wagon, placed flex cuffs on his
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wrists, placed leg shackles on his ankles, and completed required paperwork. officer miller, officer nero, and lieutenant rice then loaded mr. gray back into the wagon, placing him on his stomach, head first, on to the floor of the wagon. following transport from baker street, mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet, and unrestrained inside of the bpd wagon. from baker street, officer goodson proceeded to the vicinity of fremont avenue where he subsequently parked the avenue and proceeded to the back of the wagon in order to observe mr. gray. despite stopping for the purpose of checking on mr. gray's condition, at no point did he seek nor did he render any medical assistance for mr. gray. officer william porter arrived on the scene near dolphin street and druid hill avenue. both proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status
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of mr. gray's condition. mr. gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe. officer porter then physically assisted mr. gray from the floor of the van to the bench. despite mr. gray's obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, officer goodson in a grossly negligent manner chose to respond to the 1600 block of northwest avenue with mr. gray still unsecured by a seat belt in the wagon without rendering to or summonsing medical assistance for mr. gray. once the wagon arrived, officer goodson walked to the back of the wagon and opened the doors to make observations of mr. gray. sergeant alicia white, officer porter, and officer goodson observed mr. gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon. after completing the north avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon
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containing mr. gray, officer goodson then proceeded to the western district police station. a medic was finally called to the scene, where upon arrival, the medic determined that mr. gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured. mr. gray was rushed to the university of maryland shock trauma, where he underwent surgery. on april 19th, 2015, mr. gray succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced dead. >> all of those details laid out from the state's attorney this morning on the steps of the war memorial here just across have city hall. we wanted you to hear every second of that. these police officers' charges range from official misconduct all the way to second-degree murder. that charge against the driver of the police van, he's officer cesar goodson. mayor of baltimore announced late this afternoon five of the six officers charged are now in police custody. so their next step is an initial
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appearance before a court commissioner. let's talk about all of this huge news today with cnn's legal analysts mark o'meara and sunny hostin. sunny, let me begin with you. the most serious charges are filed against this prisoner transport van driver. what are the charges, and why against this officer? >> well there are six charges against him starting with second-degree depraved murder. also voluntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, gross negligence manslaughter by vehicle, criminal negligence and misconduct in office. clearly the prosecutor's office thinks that goodson is the worst actor out of everyone. that is because as outlined by the prosecutor she stopped to check on gray more than once and didn't render assistance. and he chose to also on north avenue pick up an additional prisoner. that is the problem for officer goodson. as a result of not rendering
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aid, the government is alleging that freddie gray died. i think that when you look at depraved indifference it is really significant to note that prosecutors charge that when they feel someone deliberately acted in a reckless and indifferent manner to human life causing their death. so the law looks at that the same way the law would look at someone who specifically intended to murder someone. it is just one level below first-degree premeditated murder. that i think, tells us how seriously the government thinks his actions led to freddie gray's death. >> because marilyn mosby never mentioned anything about a rough ride. it's simply the fact they're alleging this driver continuously ignored the pleas, continuously didn't restrain him. >> well that's part of it. but because the government also charged manslaughter by vehicle, manslaughter by reekvehicle is sort
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of a catch-all in maryland which indicated by your reckless driving, you cause the death of another. some are going to criticize her and say she overcharged. we're always going to hear that as prosecutors. when you look at the way she charged, it's very thorough and covers all of the possible scenarios. she made it very clear, but she didn't tell us everything. we don't know all the evidence. just by looking at the charges, it tells me she believes not only the way in which he checked on him and was negligent. >> mark o'meara, in thinking about these six different officers who are charged, what happens next? do they all appear in front of a judge? is there a trial ultimately? is it one trial? is it six defense attorneys? what happens? >> well the process going like this. they're going to appear before a judge today, i think, they said for what's called an initial appearance or first arraignment
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on the charges. they will then get independent counsel. it will be set for pretrial conference. between now and then they'll undertake discovery, the information flow between the state attorney's office and the defense. they'll be taking some statements from additional witnesses. there will be additional investigations. if in fact there's going to be a trial, and although 97%, 98% of all criminal cases resolve without a trial, certainly the high-profile cases, and one like this we can anticipate a trial. then the question is will they be tried together or separately? my thought is they'll be tried separately. one, they're going to end up pointing some fingers at each other. all six of these co-defendants now are going to look and say, what i did wasn't a crime, wasn't negligent, though maybe what he or she did was. i see six completely separate trials rather than being tried
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together. plus they were also different charges. most likely, the state, as they often do and should will try and have one or two of these co-defendants turn into state witnesses as part of a plea agreement and bolster the case against the other. even though the prosecutor has really focused on this and said this was basically a partnership to ignore -- grossly ignore freddie's civil rights that led to his death. they're still going to have to jump in bed with one or two of the co-defendants to sew up the case against the rest. >> and actually, you know i think when you look at the charging document, quite frankly, if i'm the prosecutor i know who i'm asking and who i want to cooperate with me. >> how do you mean? >> you have officer edward nero. he's been charged with second-degree assault, no murder charges. officer garrett miller no murder charges, just second-degree assault. those are two of the three arresting officers. the other arresting officer,
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which would be lieutenant brian rice charged with voluntary manslaughter. so you want to get those other two arresting officers to cooperate with you to explain exactly what happened upon arrest. >> so that was to mark's point. are they being held separately kept from one another? >> we're not sure but that generally is the case. you don't want them all getting together sort of getting their stories together. you know they have been suspended initially with pay, now without pay. so my sense is they may have already spoken to each other. >> okay. mark o'mara, what else from your perspective? what else are you looking at looking for as we move ahead? by the way, we're looking at live pictures of people honking and celebrating in the baltimore city streets. but this is by no means over. this is just the beginning of this whole process, correct? >> well look and we've talked about this many times before. if nothing else this is an
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example, a profile that we have systemic problems. if six officers acted in concert or in ignorance of one person's civil rights the way it happened here we have to acknowledge they're undertrained probably underpaid, and it we're going to hold cops responsible to be professionals, as we should and as we should expect we're going to have to understand that we have to train them better. we're going to have to pay them better. every one of them has to have a cop camera on. there should be a camera in every one of those vans not just in baltimore and not just in ferguson but everywhere. because now we know thank god, to video that we're going to see more and more of this. we have to hold our cops to a higher responsibility. and we have to pay them and train them to do so. >> mark o'mara thank you so much. sunny hostin your analysis invaluable. thank you. i want to go straight to ground level. we've been looking at some of these pictures here of people celebrating in the streets. brian todd is in the midst of
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it. brian todd tell me what you're hearing. >> this is a spontaneous celebration that's been going on for more than four hours since the prosecutor made that announcement of the charges. we're going to kind of move along here. there's been kind of a line of protesters extending along north avenue all day. really just expressing their joy at the announcement of these charges. here's the only person i've seen here who's not excited. come on in here tom. this is toya 6 months old. i think she's done with this but her mom is celebrating. how do you feel about what happened today? >> it's okay. we got justice. so that's all that matters. >> thank you, guys for talking to us. brooke a lot of these people who we talk to have said that -- okay the policeman is asking us to get out of the street. as happy as they are about the announcement of the charges have
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said that this is not over for them. they will not be completely satisfied unless there are convictions. all right. we're being moved out of here by police. we'll toss it back to you, brooke. >> yeah let's get you up on that sidewalk brian todd. i don't want to get you in trouble here. we're trying to cover this lawfully in the thick of things. i know a lot of times in these locations i've been in the last couple of days police are allowing crews and everyone else in parts of the streets. looks like he needs to get out of there. listen huge crowds reacting to the news that you have these six police officers facing criminal charges. we'll check back in with brian. we also have my colleague ryan young out as well. so we're watching for reaction. speaking of reaction, strong reaction today from the mayor here in baltimore after these charges were announced this morning. we'll talk to a former maryland congressman. this is a man who's served the state five terms. former head of the naacp. he sat on the city council. he has just a really special
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perspective as far as what's happening here and what needs to happen here on out. also we've been looking at live pictures of people gathering in the streets. marches are expected to start, organized demonstrations very very soon. and don lemon has sat down today with the woman who we've been talking about since this morning, the state's attorney marilyn mosby, who had the power to charge these officers. as we have seen she's done so. we'll talk to don lemon about his interview with her. you're watching cnn's special live coverage straight from baltimore. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology
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freddie gray was illegal, and his death was ruled a homicide. these were the explosive findings today that we learned from the state's attorney marilyn mosby. the mayor here of the city very quick to respond to the charges leveled against these six officers. here she was a short time ago. >> as mayor, i have said from the beginning that no one is above the law in our city. i was sickened by the statement of charges we heard today. no one in the city is above the law. justice must apply to all of us equally. with today's official indictment, i have ordered police commissioner batts to utilize the full extent of his legal authority and immediately suspend all officers facing felony charges. in fact warrants have been executed and five officers are in custody. today's indictments are the next
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step in the legal process that is running its course. and as mayor, i will continue to be relentless in changing the culture of the police department to ensure that everyone in our city is treated equally under the law. there will be justice for mr. gray. there will be justice for his family. and there will be justice for the people of baltimore. thank you. >> joining me now, i have former baltimore city councilman former maryland congressman, and former president of the naacp. we keep meeting like this. >> we do. but it's good to see you. good to be back. >> good to see you. i really wanted to talk to you because i so appreciate your perspective from here. representative of the state five terms. first, i have to ask your reaction to marilyn mosby's filing criminal charges involving every single one of these officers involved in his arrest and death. >> marilyn is a very fair deliberate and honest
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prosecutor who is doing this not for form or fashion but because she believes in justice. she grew up in a police family. >> five generations, she said this morning. >> absolutely. and she was a victim when her cousin was killed on her doorsteps when she was a teenager. that image in her mind drove her to want to go to college, to want to pursue law school to want to become a prosecutor. at the age of 35 i can tell you she is a person that possesses a deep sense of community. she lives maybe six blocks from where all the demonstrations are going on. raiseing two little girls with her husband. just a firm believer that no matter what you are, you're not above the law. >> on the flip side just to be fair to police police union wants her to recuse herself. they say, you know, the attorney for freddie gray was politically supportive. they have a relationship. her husband sits on the baltimore city council. despite her five generations of law enforcement in her family,
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that's what they say. obviously i assume you say she's up to the task. >> absolutely up to the task. i understand the police union has to say what they have to say. in this case i think most people were clear about how transparent she was, how she detailed every aspect of what happened. how she went back and verified it and how she's been working on this since around the 13th of april. in parallel with the police department i don't think anybody knew the state's attorney was also doing her own investigation. >> thus it appeared to so many people that it was so quick, but i was talking to mark geragos last hour. he said, this is how the justice system is supposed to work. stop saying swift. this is how it's supposed to be. bigger picture, you are entrenched in this community. i'm curious how people have reacted to this who you've spoken with especially the youth. >> this is so historic because usually in these cases there are no findings of guilt, no
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indictments. people get slapped on the wrist or it goes away or there's a change of venue and you never hear anything else about it. for young people on the ground this has become something, and i hope that has inspired and reignited their belief in the notion of justice for all. they've been saying look at me here i am i exist, i'm a human being. they've been saying also they would not rest until something has happened here. we know this is a long process. it's going to go on and on and on. this is the right first step. there's this exhaling from the community, a sigh of relief a sigh of satisfaction that at least we're on the right road. >> it's a historic moment for especially these young people. but at the same time i think, so what? i think on the streets today, you still have a number of the issues. we spoke about the other day in terms of social inequity poverty, lack of resources. so this may be wonderful for them in the moment but what
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really changes today? >> that's the point i mentioned to you a couple days ago when we did this interview. this is the result in my opinion, of 50 years of abject poverty, despair, disrespect disillusionment, a belief that we didn't have to do anything as a nation for these communities, although they exist in every one of our cities. when people are boxed in that long things boil over and they explode. the fact that you still can't find a job in freddie gray's neighborhood where business incentives are not being put there to get businesses to locate there, where schools aren't efficient, and when there's very little hope except to be out on the streets, those things are going to stay with us until all of america recognizes that it's bigger than baltimore. it's about what do we do with american citizens who have been here all their lives, generations, and who want some sense of worth, some sense of value. >> knowing that every single one of these officers has been charged criminally especially
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the driver of this prisoner transport van, who according to the state's attorney, repeatedly ignored every single stop, never restrained freddie gray never called on those medics until it was sort of too late. what will change as far as community and police? >> well i hope what changes in terms of police is a structural reformation of the entire police department. as you know the justice department has been here for a couple of months at the request of city officials to look at this department and to see what's wrong. it's a department that has paid out almost $6 million in the last three years in cases they've lost or they've beat up a deacon kicked a pregnant woman, arrested someone falsely. >> settlements. >> yes, a ton of settlements. that's the first thing. there's got to be structural reform in the police department. what happens in the community is to continue the organization that elected officials, that pastors that, community leaders and others have been doing so far. the fact that you have rival gangs here working together is
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significant. it makes us realize that this is an issue so powerful that it makes everyone invested in the community. >> we're surrounded by national guard, police officers. have you had a chance to talk to any baltimore city police officers about the news today? >> i haven't. i went past a couple who were standing outside that i've known for a while. you know what i said to them i think, bears repeating. and marilyn said this. this is not an indictment against every officer. they're good men, and they're good women who get up every day, put on a uniform and a badge and patrol the communities. they bring with them respect. this isn't an indictment of all the bad police the bad apples who do bad things and hide behind the blue shield, never to be prosecuted. we recognize there are two types of police officers. those who understand their job and bring respect with it and those who don't care. for those who don't care, instances like this continue to
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repeat themselves over and over again until there is justice. >> congressman mfume, your voice is an important one in this city and nationwide. i really appreciate you talking to me again. >> thank you very much. >> coming up next here on cnn, we have more insight on those six police officers who have been charged. plus, don lemon spoke one on one with baltimore state attorney marilyn mosby. part of that interview straight ahead here on cnn. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer,
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as we come up on some live pictures here aerial pictures of what seems to be a number of people here walking through the streets of baltimore, let me tell you more about the six police officers charged in freddie gray's death.
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officer cesar goodson jr. is facing the toughest charges. he drove the van the day freddie gray was arrested. now goodson is charged with second-degree depraved heart murder. five other officers also face charges. let's bring in senior investigative correspondent drew griffin with more on each of these officers and the charges they face. >> and brooke i can tell you that it's fair to say that the charges filed today against these officers seemed to be characterized as throwing the book at someone. the prosecutor accusing each officer of multiple charges. charges serious enough to put these officers individually in prison for decades. that begins with the driver of the van, as you mentioned. cesar goodson jr. 45 years old, has been with the baltimore police department since 1999. we've checked his record. we can only find a civil case against him by citibank for about $5,000 in his past. he faces six charges, including that most serious charge of second-degree murder. all told he could face 63 years
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in prison. also facing six charges is the most senior officer, lieutenant brian rice. he brooke is 41 years old. he's been with the baltimore pd since 1997. in his recent past we have found he's been involved in a nasty domestic situation with another baltimore police officer. in 2012 these two people were fighting over custody of their child. the mother of that child called police fearing rice might harm himself. police responded and actually removed seven weapons from lieutenant rice's home including his service weapon. but the case seems to end there. obviously rice was still on duty when he was involved with the arrest of freddie gray. he faces voluntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, possible sentence of 30 years behind bars. the other officers involved brooke much younger. edward nero is 29 with the force since 2012 facing five charges.
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20-year possible sentence. garrett miller 26 years old, also hired in 2012. it was garrett miller who filed that statement that freddie gray had the illegal switchblade on him at the time of his arrest. that is why freddie gray was arrested. the prosecutor today saying just not true, the knife was a legal pocket knife. along with second-degree assault, miller nero and lieutenant rice are all facing this false imprisonment charge. basically, the charge is that freddie gray should have never been arrested. the other two officers officer william porter 25 years old, hired in 2012 facing three charges, including voluntary manslaughter. and finally, a woman, sergeant alicia white, also charged with three counts charges that could bring 20 years in prison. as far as our records show right now, none of these officers have been charged in any crime relating to their duties in the past. obviously, brooke facing very serious charges now. >> drew griffin, thank you very
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much. we also know according to the mayor, five of those police officers now in police custody as i speak. thank you, sir. coming up next i'm going to bring in don lemon. don lemon spoke with the woman who announced those charges this morning. what the state's attorney here in the city of baltimore, marilyn mosby, shared with his about this case, next. financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise
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if you had not heard the name marilyn mosby, you have today. she's the state's attorney here, that's the chief city prosecutor in the city of baltimore. four months on the job. she has the power and has exercised the power to charge every single one of these police officers in the death of freddie gray. she spoke with my colleague don lemon. here she was. >> this has been a really important -- it's been a tough time for you. you're in the spotlight, under the microscope.
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>> i don't think it's tough. the people of baltimore voted for me to do my job and to carry out justice. that's what i'm going to do as the state attorney for baltimore city. >> let's talk about what's happening now, what you just did. you just completed. your investigation has left you with no doubt that these six officers are responsible for freddie gray's death. >> i can't really get into the specifics of the case but as a prosecutor you should not bring charges if you don't believe you have probable cause that these individuals are responsible for the charges. >> there was a collective cheer probably around the nation but also during the press conference. you spoke directly to young people but you also spoke to the police officers as well. you come from a law enforcement family. was it difficult to -- is it difficult to balance that? >> no i think it gives me a well-rounded perspective. you know i come from five generations of police officers so law enforcement is instilled.
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i understand the time the commitment the sacrifice that these police officers make. time away from their families on a day-to-day basis, risking their lives for the betterment of our communities. but at the same time recognizing that these officers are making those sacrifices and i'm not saying in particularly with these case, those officers that usurp their authority, you have to be able to hold them accountable because it does a disservice to the really hard-working police officers. so for me it's about applying justice fairly and equally to those with or without a badge. >> don lemon is with me now. you sat down with her. you were her first interview since she made the news on the steps of the war memorial just over there. i think it really struck me and you hit on that in the interview, she's like i come from five generations of police officers in my family. her cousin was also murdered on her front doorstep. >> her father was, in
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massachusetts, the first member of the law enforcement agency inaugural member. she's no joke. it was just fortuitous because i had an interview scheduled with her to talk about women in charge. >> you had no idea this was going to drop today. >> i had no idea. i woke up this morning and went oh wow. so as soon as she finished we set up in her office. she walked in and we talked about that. but i also thought it was important that she knows pain when it comes to people breaking the law and in touching her family. she was 14. her cousin was 17. they were very close. they were on the same track together going to get their education. the cousin mistaken as a drug dealer shot and killed. that really inspired her to become a prosecutor. that was her lifelong dream. she's achieved it. but she says the people of baltimore and the people of this country should have no doubt that this investigation will be handled fairly and quickly, as quickly as possible and accurately. >> so we have that to look
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forward to tonight at 10:00. also just quickly, you talked to the other suspect in the back of that prisoner van that was carrying freddie gray. >> i spoke to him yesterday. what people didn't realize, i was out here talking to him yesterday. no one knew who he was. the records at the police station show that he's still in jail. >> but he's not. >> and he's not. that was the issue of getting it on yesterday. we had it first, but we want -- i'd rather be accurate than first. when withe spoke with the prosecutor they said indeed it is him. you'll hear his interview tonight. >> don on tonight, cnn tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. coming up next live from baltimore, we are getting reaction all across the city after marilyn mosby announced those criminal charges against all six officers involved in the arrest and death of freddie gray. and next, a community lead here will join me. the latest on the march happening through the city. a lot of moving parts on this
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a little breaking news. reporting that the states attorney this morning announced criminal charges against all six officers involved in the arrest and death of 25-year-old freddie gray. we can now tell you, confirmed by cnn, all six of those officers are now in custody. they are now in custody. let's move along. we've been hearing from a lot of community voices here in the city of baltimore, and we wanted to get, also, reaction to the news of these charges. so let me bring in ray kelly. with the no boundaries coalition, lives in sand town, where freddie gray lived. i walked around yesterday there, and ray, first to you, did you anticipate -- i know a lot of
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people in these communities thought there would be some real change or a verdict or charges, but no one actually thought it would happen. >> i didn't expect an indictment that fast. so that was -- good for the whole community. so everybody was more waiting to see what would happen because most people knew it couldn't be a conviction or anything on this day. so i think just today, seeing how expeditious the state's attorney was, proceeding with the case and ow diligent she is just purchasesuing it doing her own investigation before the policemen's report is saying there's still hope and our residency, this is the beginning of change in motion. >> i don't want to interrupt you, but i don't know if we have a camera, approaching me and you will hear their chants in a moment. chanting, no justice, no peace. they are coming. i don't know if this is the march we've been watching
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through the city of baltimore, but, you know this is just one example of what we've been seeing around your city today. >> right. and i hope the city sees that our voices have been heard. despite all of the chaos, the actual concern of the people got recognized. >> it's a long process. right? this criminal justice system. it will take a while to play out, but in talking to congressman earlier, for the first time in their lives, young people feel they are experiencing history. do you get that sense? >> without a doubt. even myself. it's been that way in sand town since i've been alive. >> what way? >> just the corruption in the police department. it's instinctual if a cop skirts up on you to run. you never know what's going to happen. for us this is like breaking ground on something uncharted for a lot of us. 44 years, and we're so used to
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the -- we see that this is change. it's never been immediately all of the officers are indicted and that's the changes we want to see, but we also recognize that justice won't come just from convicting these officers and it won't come from getting a settlement for freddie gray's family. it's going to come when they actually change the policies so we don't keep having to have -- >> what policies? what policies? >> they have to change the whole structure. >> all of the city -- >> all the law enforcement bill of rights have to change the structure of the civilian review board here in baltimore city. they need to actually restructure the crcs that are in every police district which is the community relations councils where they should be a bridge not just an information from the police department but information to the police department. >> you know you said something a minute ago that struck me. you said in sand town it's
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instinctual to run from police. a lot of people can't relate to that. they say, you see a police officer. you do what he says. >> exactly. >> but that's a different reality where you come from? >> depending upon your location. if there's an unmarked car that pulls up on the corner, you don't know it's the police. you don't know what's going on. if there's a certain look from a policeman walking past you, sometimes it's intimidating and like you said he had a knife, he didn't know what was going to be the deal. he's scared. we're all scared sometimes. >> do you think a time will come in your lifetime or the life times of young people in baumt more baltimore wa they will be able to trust? >> i hope so. one of my biggest fears is that my sons will be at the end of this because they decide to stop on the corner and holler at one of their home boys they go to school with and before you know it they're in the back of a paddy wagon, getting whipped around, or whatever happened. so i hope that just the fear of
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consequence is starting to get injected into the police department, where they will change the way they interact with the community. >> ray kelly an honor and pleasure. thank you so much for your perspective. quick break. we are surrounded by dozens and dozens of people here chanting "no justice, no peace" right in front of baltimore city hall. quick break. back in a moment. (mom) when our little girl was born we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. what? (announcer) the 2015 subaru forester (girl) what? (announcer) built to be there for your family. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. so, what brings you to jersey? well, geico's the #1 auto insurer in
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and we're back live in baltimore. i'm brooke baldwin. you're looking at aerial pictures feet from the where i'm standing in front of city hall. several dozen people. we've seen several organized marching through the city streets and it's landed right smack dab in between city hall and the war memorial that's the steps of the war memorial where we saw the big breaking news this morning, states attorney marilyn mosby, on the job four moss 35 years of age and had the power to charge every single one of are those officers involved in the arrest and the death of freddie gray. charged criminally as she has done. and i've been here a week.
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phi may just say, i have spoken with several young people carde, key aria, they're stay with me a long time. once we pack up it's the stories of these youth, how they feel on these streets, how they need to feel invested in how things need to change, how they want a sense of hope. how they feel they are now experiencing history here in baltimore. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with me. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. breaking news right now. a press conference from baltimore. police union representatives set to begin at any moment. this will be the first time we hear from police since this morning's massive developments. we will bring those press statements to you live as they happen. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. live, again, from baltimore, maryland. today for the first time in weeks