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now. they're moving so far so good peacefully they're moving along. we're going to continue to watch what's going on obviously throughout the night. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." cnn's live coverage continues right now with erin burnett out front. thanks to you, wolf. good evening to all. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, the breaking news. at this hour six baltimore police officers in custody, all of them charged in the death of freddie gray. these are live pictures you're seeing on the other side of your screen growing protests on the streets of baltimore. and right now celebrations. they're celebrating an early victory in their dpe demand for justy. prosecutor marilyn mosby made the highly unexpected announcement today. no one anticipated that today. pane we now know the identities of the police officers lieutenant brian rice alicia white and officers william porter edward nero garrett
miller and cedar goodson. goodson is the driver of the police van and he received the most serious charge second degree murder. the remaining charges are manslaughter assault false imprisonment. three of the six officers charged are white, three are black. and officer goodson, the officer charged with murder is black. mosby today spoke directly to the protesters promising justice. >> to the people of baltimore and the demonstrators across america, i heard your call for no justice, no peace. your peace is sincerely needed as i work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man. >> we are standing by at this moment for a baltimore police press conference. that is going to begin sometime in the next two ore three minutes. the police union has already
publicly taken the stand fighting against the charges. our rofrters are covering this story from every angle tonight. i want to go to miguel marquez on the streets of baltimore again tonight. miguel, a major shift. y ear hearing celebrations. >> reporter: this is unbelievable. this is north avenue. there must be a thousand perhaps 2,000 people out here all ages all races in absolute celebration mode. it is a little bizarre to think that this place was so frightening and concerning on monday and with the curfew and how much concern people have had to see this today is absolutely incredible. who is this in. >> this is my son. >> hello. >> who i'm fighting for to save my baby's life. >> reporter: you marched from downtown. why march up here? >> i marched from here -- from downtown to here because this is
the heartbeat of my community. this is an uprising and i want my son to be a part of it. i want my son to have the courage that i didn't have to do when she was coming up. maybe if i had the courage to fight against this discrimination and this injustice that i seen all them years ago we wouldn't be here right now. >> reporter: i'm sure you're happy about the charges. >> i'm happy about the charges but this is just a little step. this is just a little step. we've seen what they've done to a lot of our other brothers who have been killed and the criminals have been found not guilty. so this is just a small step to a long long haul that we got to go. >> reporter: and i think somebody wants his mother too. >> yes. >> reporter: thank you very much. very nice to meet you. incredible party atmosphere here. amazing to see. they've moved into this neighborhood. they weren't even ready -- the cars are not off the street because north and penn has been
blocked up there. the entire street is a sea of people moving to north and penn. it will be interesting tonight if that curfew is still in effect what will happen. back to you. >> thanks very much to you miguel. a very impassioned compelling interview there. as the pro-court announced the charge against the six officers she also took the time to retrace their steps which is really at the core of what that woman said. what happens next? these are charges. this is not a conviction. this is a charge. so what really happened? is the case provable? from the time freddie gray was arrested and the time he arrived at the police station, what exactly happened. jay see carol is out front in. baltimore. >> the findings of ou comprehensive thorough examination coupled with the medical examiner's determination that mr. gray's death was a homicide. >> [ bleep ]. >> and with that state's
attorney marilyn mosby announced the six baltimore police officers who picked up freddie gray on april 12th would be charged with his death. the initial stop was here at the corner. lieutenant brian rice was on bike patrol with officers garrett miller and edward nero. they spotted gray made eye contact with him and gray tookoff. the officers caught up with gray and arrested him. the incident caught on security cameras and cell phone video. the state's attorney says this is when gray told the officers he could not breathe and requested an inhaler. but mosby says he was not given one. >> his legs are broke and y'all are dragging him like that! >> reporter: this is where the officers miller and nero searched gray and found a knife claiming it was an illegal switchblade. they made the arrest right over
there where people are still gathered. according to the state, gray began to scream as the officers held him down. today we learned that arrest should never have happened. >> the knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under maryland law. >> reporter: a transport van driven by caesar goodson arrives. the officers place gray inside but do not secure him in a seat belt. a violation of department policy. this is where the van first stops. the officers remove gray they cuff his hands, they shackle his ankles and then they put him back inside the police van. but again without putting on that seat belt. >> mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed shackled by his feet and unretrained inside of the bpd wagon. >> reporter: the officers then drive to free month avenue where they parked and check on gray. officer william porter arrives.
officers goodson and porter check on gray. the state says porter asked gray if he needs medical assistance. gray says at least twice that he does. allegedly none is given. again he's put back inside the police van again without a seat belt. the officers move to make another arrest at 1600 west north avenue. at this point several of the officers including alicia white, see that gray is sun responsive on the floor in the police van. >> despite mr. gray seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for mr. gray at that time by any officer. >> reporter: the officers drove to the western district police station where the second prisoner was unloaded and taken inside first before anyone attended to gray. this is where a medic was finally called. but once he arrived, gray was already in cardiac arrest.
and erin we're now fill marching along with monies possibly thousands of people just past pennsylvania and north where you saw so much unrest. and throughout the day from speaking to so many people erin you get the sense that this is more than just a celebration. what you're seeing is an outpouring of emotion after what people say is years and years of being disenfranchised, not listened to years and years of abuse. that's what you're seeing now. thousands of people taking to the streets like this man, erin. he's been out here for several days running a lot of these protests. give me a sense of how you're feeling today. >> we feel elated today. finally a baltimore city justice is going to be served. the indictments are just beginning. we need six convictions now. these people are ecstatic because for so many years in this city we've been seeing how individuals in the baltimore city police department not all
of them but just rogue cops in this particular incident always get away. today we're excited. the people they counted on the whole nation were calling thugs and hoodlums they came together collectively and we forced change. we made a difference. that's what's so important about this. and people are excited. look at these people. thousands of them. >> reporter: a lot of excitement out here. thank you for sharing your opinion. really appreciate that. erin the reason why you have so much emotion out here is because so many people did not expect to hear what they heard today from the state's attorney. they had hoped for it but no one expected to hear it. >> that's very true. no one expected to hear it. thank you jason. and mark o'mara charmed with george zimmerman's defense attorney paul call land and neil franklin former baltimore police officer. a full disclosure neil we need to give to our viewers, you were fired from the baltimore police force. we're awaiting a live press
conference from baltimore police momentary lip. as soon as that begins we're going to go to it. i want to get the conversation going. prosecutors said she got the medical examiner's report that rule this a homicide today and she filed charges today. these are charges against six people. you've got witnesses, videos. the police union of course on the defense says that there was a rush to judgment. never seen such a rush were their words. were you surprised a at how quickly these charges were filed? >> it's a shockingly fast decision by a prosecutor. she's got to make out a case against six defendants put together forensic evidence video evidence complicated medical evidence. to do it in such a fast period of time is really surprising. she's got to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt some day in court. but she was balancing a citizenry so enraged at these police officers with her requirements as an ethical pro-court. we'll see if she made the right decision. >> neil, you've worked on that police department.
do you think the charges came too quickly? >> first of all, there is no judgment here. police are citizens first. and if there's probably cause for an arrest as we have in this case then charges are placed. you know we do this routinely during criminal investigations. so there's no rush to judgment here. i'm surprised by the fraternal of police missing an important opportunity here to say, to give a message to the citizens of this country that pretty much says yes, we support or police officers and their families. yes we want to partner with the community and yes we want to get this right. you know but they decided to remain divisive here when they had an opportunity to unite this community, and not just baltimore but many communities across this country who are experiencing the same thing. >> that's an interesting point. i want to point out, that was the police union that spoke and we're waiting at any moment a live press conference from police as they're going to speak here. and the big question is whether they'll address this or not.
that's going to be live at any moment. mark the charges. the driver the only one charged with second degree depraved heart murder as it's called. this could carry a sentence of 30 years. what does that tell you? how hard is it to move this charge? >> it's quite difficult to prove it because they really have to show that the driver of this car and his actions were so outrageous of a depraved heart or mind so reckless in what he did that he should be held criminally responsible. i have to wonder if there's something in the driving pattern that the prosecutor hasn't told us about yet, something that puts that driver far and apart away from the other officers who were there who knew he was unresponsive who were part of the control over freddie gray. i have to wonder if we're going to find out that a quick stop or a quick acceleration. paul knows and i know i have had hundreds of clients of mine tell me that one way that cops keep control over an areeserest tee
in the back is you slam on the breaks and he bounces against the front glass. i'm wondering if we're going to find out as the discovery comes out that some of that activity that puts the driver in that special category of the murder charge that was given to him. >> and perhaps marilyn mosby is aware of that and didn't get to that detail today. important to know of course just yesterday we found out that there was a stop, a formal stop by that van that no one none of the six officers had prior disclosed. you raised a question as to how significant that can be. race is a really core part of the angeron the streets about this case. everyone in the country knows. this is a national racial issue that this nation is dealing with. in this case though three of the charged officers are white, three of them are black and the man driving the that van, the only one charged with murder is black. will that e mill rate bring down the racial tension at all? >> i don't think the race -- what we're seeing across this
country with these individual cases that we're experiencing i think it's more of an us rer sus them mentality from a policing perspective perspective. not one of race. >> they're talking -- i'm sorry. i have to interrupt you. the press conference is start aring. this is baltimore police. >> so i wanted to take the time to brief you guys on a number of things. the first being the number of curfew arrests for last evening. the total number was 37 curfew arrests. one of those also with a handgun violation haen that person was charged accordingly. we still continue to have a large number of peaceful protesters who are marching throughout the city. one of those locations where they seem to be gathering is the intersection of pennsylvania avenue and north avenue. there seems to be a large group there. we ask that you follow us at
baltimore police for real-time updates and any potential road closures. in addition we'll post the times of any media briefings that may occur. in reference to last night, when we have large groups after the curfew of protesters we will establish a media staging area. in that media staging area only credentialed media will be allowed. so please have your credentials there. there will be an officer there to check those. only credentialed members of the media will be permitted to enter the media staging zones. members of the public are not authorized to enter or remain near the media zones during curfew. members of the media may not aid or abet any member of the public in violating the curfew by encouraging them to remain in or around the media zones. >> that's baltimore police. we're going to monitor this.
obviously they're going through the details of the arrest and the curfew situation. they have not addressed the charges today. if they take of course they're going to be asked that. and it looks like he's going to try to avoid taking questions. as we're listening to see if there is any further development, let me go to you, paul. two of the officers -- to get to. the point here we were making about whether this is about race. and neil was saying no it's about police brutality. a lot of the protesters were holding their hands up. it is about race it seems like to a lot of people. >> it certainly looks that way. but remember here we have an african american mayor and police commissioner and the prosecutor is african american and we have a predominantly minority force. notwithstanding what we're seeing the visuals in the street, three of the officers here apparently african american. maybe it will be more focused on the brutality of it and the race aspect is going to fade as we move closer to trial.
>> thanks so much to all of you. i appreciate you taking the time. we're going to take a brief break. when we come back we're going to have the live pictures of the growing crowds on the streets of baltimore. they're growing. as the police union is stepping up, defending the officers calling for the prosecutor to step aside. does she have a major conflict of interest? what we're learning about the six officers charged in freddie gray's death, three of them are black. and did freddie gray die because police purposely gave him a rough ride? a special outfront report on how police can use van rides to hurt their passengers what you just heard from mark o'mara.
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i want to welcome our viewers around the world. we're watching protests growing in baltimore and across the united states tonight. there are calls for special prosecutor. after baltimore's top attorney her name is marilyn mosby, brought charges against six officers in the death of freddie gray. in a letter to mosby released today, the head of baltimore's police union defended the police strenuously saying they were innocent and then wrote, quote, i have keep concerns about the many conflicts of interest presented by your office conducting an investigation in this case. now these concerns include moby's relationship with the freddie gray family attorney billy murphy. he's a donor of hers. you see him there. the police union also points out
that mosby's husband is a baltimore city councilman. mosby says there is nothing to make her step aside. >> my husband is a public ser rant. she works on the legislative side. i'm a prosecutor. i am also a public servant. i uphold the law. he makes the law. i will prosecute any case within any jurisdiction. >> don lemon is out front in baltimore. you just spoke to her, the state attorney marilyn mosby. she seems to be holding firm not going to recuse herself. >> reporter: she's not going to recuse herself. when i said police want you to appoint a special prosecutor. she said no way. there's no need to appoint a special prosecutor. she is perfectly capable of handling this case and she's very competent about it. >> ya really get into the specifics of the case but as a prosecutor you should not bring charges if you don't believe you
have probable cause that these individuals with responsible for the charges. >> reporter: so she believes that the nervous she has is important enough and big enough and strong enough that she can get convictions from all six of the officers erin. >> she certainly has the confidence he says the fact to move very quickly. don, the whole country is watching her every move every decision. what did she say about suddenly being under the microscope like this? >> reporter: not only is the whole country watching her, she's very young. she's 35. the youngest prosecutor in any major city in america. and she's also been on the job for just four months. you know back in january she was sworn in. so you know there are a lot of things going on here. but she says being in the pot light and having this job, that's really not the biggest issue for her, not the concern for her. her biggest concern is being a mother and being a wife.
this she just wants fairness not conviction justice and fairness. listen. this has been a really important -- it's been a tough time for you. you are in the spotlight under the microscope. >> i don't think it's tough. the people of baltimore voted for me to do my job and to carry out justice and that's what i'm going to do as a state attorney for baltimore city. >> reporter: and hear's how she got ahead of everything. because that preliminary report came out a day ahead, people didn't expect her to get out here today and make this announcement. she said when this first happened before freddie gray sadly died she was already running her own parallel investigation using the resources of the sheriff's department and the police department to get this done as quickly and judicially as possible. >> she sounds formirm and sure of her convictions. don, thank you.
>> reporter: thank you erin. >> and you can see more of don's interview with the prosecutor tonight at 10:00 on cnn tonight. it's outstanding. out front right now, tom very any. he's seen all sides of these stories. tom, let me start with you since you're next to me. police union says she has a conflict of interest she could recuse herself. they want a special prosecutor. she says no. she's got the facts, she's done her own investigation. she went at her own pace. she got it. why should she step aside? >> i don't think she wants to step aside. >> she clearly does not. >> this is going to be a big case for her. >> should she? >> i think she should based on what we know. we know that her husband is the councilman if the area where freddie gray lived. we know that she has ties to freddie gray's attorney, also he
claims that she says she has a dislike for the police. that's a problem. i couldn't serve jury duty because i was a police officer, not only in a civil trial but also in a criminal trial. i would have been the best juror they had. if i can't even serve jury duty as a police officer, why would she, in probably one of the biggest cases baltimore is ever going to see. be in charge of this case? i think this calls for a special independent prosecutor. if any case calls for that this would be the case. >> dee, what's your response to tom? >> i think she should prosecute the case. the world is watching. her speech was moving and she seems like she's ready. >> dee, let me follow up with you on a point that tom brauthd up. that man we saw, billy murphy as you know she's representing the gray family. been a financial support are of mosby, donated $5,000 to her campaign served on her
transition committee. was with her at her swearing in. the baltimore sun is reporting that billy mur gi was out on the streets with protesters this week and he told them that mosby told him, quote, she doesn't trust the police herself. does that worry you in wanting to get a completely fair transparent process? >> under normal circumstances it would worry me. but we're talking about a system that's based on connections. everyone i know who has within in and out of the legal system you know it's not what your lawyer knows, it's what judge did your lawyer go to school with. i'm not saying they're going to be up to anything crooked. i'm just saying i's not the first time we heard of something like this happening. >> an interesting point he makes about baltimore. but thisere's also this point. you're making the point that maybe she's bias nd against the officers. but her grandmother, her uncles her mother and her father they were all police officers.
so that might argue she's actually biassed on the other side. >> again, this is going to be a case where she can use this as a stepping stone politically. there's more rns than one that she'll want to hold on to this case. i think she's qualified to prosecute a case otherwise she wouldn't be where she's at. she seems like a bright articulate woman. under normal circumstances i would say she would be fine to prosecute a case particularly against some sort of alleged police misconduct or even a crime that's taken place. but in this particular case it's so high profile, so highly charged, and because of what we know about her reservations and her connections, i just really don't think -- it just kind of gnaws at the back of my brain that i don't think she's in the place to be prosecuting this case. and a special independent prosecutor is going to go based on the law and police procedure. and if the officers are found
guilty then they're going to be held accountable, as they should. sounds like you actually don't disagree with tom. you're just saying this is a system built on connections and whatever quote unquote independent person you get is going to be just as tied into the system as she is or anyone else. >> it's kind of like you know when the people i know and the people from our community go through the system no one looks this far into it. you know it's like if we're going to court, then we're going to court and it doesn't matter what lawyer knows what judge or what prosecutor went to school with who. it's all connections based. i understand where he's coming from. but you know we're talking about a system that has so many problems. and you know she's did something very very brave and i think she deserves a shot to bring justice to the city. it's what people are waiting for. she's brand new and young and right now she has the whole city and we all have faith in the
legal system again. i'm just excited about seeing what's going to happen. >> thanks very much to both of you. outfront next, more on the breaking news out of baltimore. while the crowds celebrate, though they're celebrating charges. this is not a conviction. and recent history show that police charges very rarely get convictions. that is next. our special report on the alenged police tactic called rough rides. is that what killed freddie gray? the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein... and 26 vitamins and minerals. and now with... ...twice as much vitamin d ...which up to 90% of people don't get enough of. ohhhhhhh. the sunshine vitamin! ensure now has 2x more vitamin d to support strong bones. ensure. take life in. e financial noise
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charged with the death of freddie gray. these are live pictures of protesters marching throughout the city of baltimore. there are thousands of people out tonight. after a week of anger, today some respite for some of those protesters celebrating after a day of stunning developments in this case. stunning. the chief prosecutor marilyn mosby, said she found probable charge to charge -- probable cause to charge all six officers in gray's death. she called his arrest illegal and his death a homicide. the first preliminary hearing will be at the end of this month. race has been a central issue for many in this case. so it is worth noting that three of the six officers charged are black. and that includes there was only one officer, everyone only one charged with murder. that officer is black. jason carroll is outfront from baltimore to night. jason, thousands around you. they are out in solidarity and some in celebration, i know. where are you going?
>> reporter: you're absolutely right. in terms of where we're going, i don't know. i can tell you where we've been. this is a huge crowd that started at city hall. then they marched to pennsylvania and north where we saw so much unrest. then they marched right by the point where freddie gray was officially stopped by the officers then to the point where he was arrested then to the police station. now we've merged with an even larger group. thousands strong. in order to describe the mood out here it is one of elation for some skepticism among others. they say this is just one step in the process of justice. i want to bring in charity and curtis here. they're out here with their little one. they've been marching all the way along. how would you describe the mood out here this evening? >> it seems joyish skeptical with the charges. people are happy that we got this far but at the same time they're worried that it will be
like with trayvon martin it will get to court and nothing will happen. >> curtis? >> walks of life everybody, coming from different parts of the nation to celebrate inequality here with us. to show that we as a city can come together and we're doing it. it's live right here right now. >> reporter: at one point when yesh you're marching by, some people peek out of their buildings, clapping screaming. it is one feel of elation for some people but there is some skepticism here as you hear from charity and curtis. they're going to keep marching. i'm going to see if we can delicately turn around. my photographer doing an intelligent job as we continue to march through the streets of baltimore. and at this point, erin, no end in sight. >> it could be a long night. jason giving the description elation but also skepticism. out front tonight, reverend jamal bryant.
freddie gray attended his church. he's been organizing protests since gray's death. it's good to have you on. what's your reaction. you just heard that young mother say, look she feels happy, elated but she also feels skeptical. >> i think it's really shock and awe. none of us were expecting that announcement from marilyn mosby today. we're elated by it. it sets a precedent that everybody is accounted. but it's also shameful for america krk that african americans have to celebrate that the system actually works. it turns a whole new page for us to raise our confident level that the justice system can in fact be unbiased. and so we're excited about it. but we understand it's a long process ahead of us. >> and i want to follow up with you on a lot of things you just said reverand. first of all, the point you just made. that african americans can celebrate that the justice system just worked.
you learned that three of the six officers charged in freddie gray's death is black and one officer is charged with second degree murder the one driving the van. he is black. does that give you pause at all? >> no. because in baltimore where the population is 64% black, we've got a black mayor, a black comptroller, a black president of city council, black president of commissioner of the police department. it's not a black/white issue here. it is a black, blue and green issue. we're talking about it how it is that the police department has in fact a different level of accountability than african americans, no matter what color the police officers are, there's still a different level and they disconnect. what marilyn mosby did today was say that everybody has to be accountable and has given us a sigh of relief. nowhere in this 11-day cycle have you heard any charge about racism. it hasn't been about color.
it's been about character. >> there have been a lot of people talking about racism. maybe you haven't been one of them. it's been nationwide a much bigger discussion. i hear your point, the baltimore police racially match the demographics of the city than certainly in a place like ferguson. you marched today with sabrina fulton, the mother of trayvon martin. i know you spent a lot of time with her during that entire case. here's somewhat she had to say about the charges when we asked her. >> although they might be charged, they have not been convicted of anything. and in our case with trayvon martin the person was charged, yes they were charged and we had a fuel trial. but at the end of the day he was not convicted. so he's walking around just like anybody else as if he has done nothing. >> and that's the issue reverend for many people. there were charges but not a conviction. you didn't get a conviction with
trayvon matter. with michael brown in ferguson. in 20 years 17 police officers in in the u.s. have been charged with murder. none of those officers were convicted. will baltimore be any different? >> it is my hope, and that is the prayer of so many people around this city and even the larger world when you see that the protests now are rising up in philadelphia chicago, d.c. and new york. all of us are getting in line because it's not really a baltimore issue. it's a larger conversation of a black america issue. >> it is. and i guess there's the question here. as the facts come out, what is more important at this point? what is more beneficial a conviction for the sake of a conviction or not a conviction if for some reason you're surprised and some of the facts don't match exactly what you expect now and you think maybe one isn't warranted. >> well you've got to go back
to the very principle. he had -- mr. gray had no business being in the police vehicle because there were no charges. they arrested him on no merit and were taking him to the precinct. the larger question we've got to be asking is why was he arrested when there was no charge. and if there's no charge, why are you taking him to the precinct and why is he shackled as a criminal when you've got charged him. they broke so many laws before he ever got in the coma, before he ever got in the vehicle and before he ever died. you have a whole lot of missteps. in the very first press conference if you'll go back the mayor acknowledged that he didn't get the necessary health needs met. if in fact this they would have done that -- there are so many different steps that show an impropriety that have to be addressed. that's why you see a litany of different laws that the officers broke. >> i want to talk about officer goodson. he is as i mentioned, the only one charged with murder.
he was driving the van. we actually have his picture for the first time. i'm going to show that to our viewers this. this is officer goodson, charged with second degree murder involuntary manz manslaughter by vehicle, misconduct failure to render aid as well. they're charging him with the one who was delaying in terms of calling an ambulance when freddie gray requested it. pastor how important is a conviction in officer goodson? the reason i ask about him specifically he's the only one charged with murder. >> yes. well you have to understand that you have just participated in shock therapy for america tonight. just now you made history. because most americans are not used to seeing a picture of a mugshot of a police officer. most of america has painted the face of crime as african americans. we have felt a level of victory just based off of what it is you have done. moving in the direction towards
justice is getting a whole lot closer than where we were on monday. it changes the narrative for african americans and the prospect of those who believe in the judicial system. the reason it's so critical is ms. mosby, the youngest state's attorney of an urban zi in america was just elected. so several lessons have been learned today. the power of your vote and the power of your protests makes a difference to so many people who, prior to this afternoon, felt disinfranchised. >> reverend, thank you very much. these are new pictures we have, officer goodson, the officer driving the van. she is of course african american charge with second degree murder. outfront next did the officer who drove freddie gray cause his injuries by purposely turning and braking hard? that is the core question here. it's an alleged tactic called a rough ride. we have a special report.
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breaking news tonight. life pictures out of baltimore. we have very large crowds tonight. six officers now charged in the death of freddie gray. a pastor just telling me they didn't expect these charges. he said it was shock and awe to get the charges. the police van driver has been charged with second degree murder. his name is officer goodson,
cesar goodson, jr. he's been charged with two counts of manslaughter by vehicle. did goodson purposely drive erratically making fast turns and braking suddenly with the intention of harming gray. gray was in the back of the van, he was handcuffed and shackled but he was not restrained by a seat belt. if this happened here's the thing. it would be sort of business as usual. jean casarez is outfront. mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed shackled business his feet and unrestrained inside of the bpd wagon. >> baltimore state attorney marilyn mosby made it clear today she knows how 25-year-old freddie gray was killed. >> at no point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon contrary to a bpd general order. >> whether she can prove that gray was murders a result of the rough ride in the police wagon
is unclear. for years police departments across the country have been accused of rough rides or driving aggressively with the suspect with the intention of tossing them around as a form of punishment. >> you start taking curves in a very fast and sharp manner. if you run through a lot of pothole areas. there's other things that could be done that would cause the individual to bounce off walls or bounce up or down or fall down. >> lawsuits filed in chicago, philadelphia and baltimore show just how serious these rides can be. in 2005 dondy johnson was paralyzed and later died as a ride with the baltimore police. his family was awarded more than $7 million. that was later reduced to $219,000. no officers were
stained after being arrested and put in a wagon for disorderly conduct. cnn was able to obtain legal documented from the chicago aclu who represented represent him where he won 135,000 dollars after injures. the city of chicago outlined recommendations of the time for safety. number one on the list elimination of protrusions in the wagon that could injure and seat belts. >> officer goodson returned to his driver's seat with mr. gray still unsecured by a seat belt contrary to a bpd general order. >> a recommendation the baltimore attorney said was ignored while transported freddie gray. >> jean casarez, cnn.
>> and now doctor joining me we now have a picture of the officer, six of them charged, various things but officer goodson is the only one charged with murder he's the one driving the van and that is the big burden of proof, proving it was his driving of that van that caused freddie gray to die. how thard is that to prove from a forensic point of view? >> not at all. where else and at what time did the injures occur if not then. i still believe there is a strong pogt there might have been an in sip yeblt fracture -- incipient fracture from the initial altercation that the police insisted never took place and now we learn one of the officers did lean heavily on his back when mr. gray was placed prone face down already in a semi hog-tied position and allowed to sit up and placed back into that position and then
lifted into the van, it seemed he was not able already to walk and placed in the van in a full hog-tied position and now his ankles are restrained and his feet and his ankles and wrists are restrained. it is an in ert object and as the car moves, the body flops around. that is clear evidence that the injuries that were significant enough to produce a near total severance of the spinal cord something i can assure you and since starting this case i've talked with neurosurgeons and trauma people everybody agrees this takes a tremendous amount of force such as a high speed motor vehicular accident and from the very beginning to the end, when he begged and yelled for treatment for assistance and
they ignored him. i mean what more need there be to sustain the kind of charge that has been brought against goodson and the other officers? i really don't understand the hesitation the equivocation here. he did not come to that scene, freddie gray with vertebrae fractures, he would not be running and moving the way he was. he was injured by the cops. they want to say, gee, maybe it didn't all happen in the van. let it say it could have happened him in the van and for what from looking at the police. fine. jump from the firing pan into the fire. it is in their hands, in their belly wick. let them be the fuss. the medical examiner should be commended for calling this what
it is rather than the homicide that he hurling himself around in the van and causing the fractures which are absurd allegations. >> doctor thank you for your time tonight. and now we are getting the mug shots for the other officers so we'll show you all of them. west virginia the other five now charged in the freddie gray death. we'll show you who they are and tell but them as we go live to the streets of baltimore. these are the streets liver now and we'll get the others for you and get them for you after this break. you can't get any better than that. siemens trains are not your grandparent's technology. they're something that's gonna change the cities we live in today. i find it so fascinating how many people ride this and go to work every single day. i'm one of the lucky guys. i get to play with trains. people say, "wow, we still build that in the united states?" and we say, "yeah, we do!"
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breaking news we now have the mug shots of all six soifrs -- officers charged into the death of freddie gray. this is just into inn. chef been charged with assault to murder. officer garrett miller on the far left. 26 years old. charges with second-degree assault. officer edward nero the man with the mustache. and then officer nero charged with second-degree assault. brian rice the man in the middle 41 years old, second-degree assault, a -- alicia white. did i get them all or did i miss one. alicia white and officer goodson, the driver of the
police van, he received the most serious charge 45 years old and alicia white, the sergeant is 30 years old. so most are very young. all but two of them are 30 or younger. live to miguel marquez in baltimore. what more can you tell us about the officers. i'm pointing out that four of the six are very young. >> very young. and this crowd -- thousands strong now now mlk boulevard will be happy to see those booking photos of the officers. three different protests came together at pennsylvania and north today and now marching toward mlk. and i want to bring this 16-year-old, what has this week been like? >> it has been crazy. i have seen a lot of things happen. riots, protests and it is really good. and it makes me happy to know that the police officers have been charged with the crime they committed. >> my friend.
now they'll all want to see whether or not the charges lead to convictions. that is the one big thing they are waiting for. erin. >> the big thing we are waiting for, miguel as we waited for, something that almost never happens in this country. a major question in this country. our breaking news coverage continues with anderson. >> a week after anger boils over in baltimore, people marches as they -- marching as they have all week and marching but in a different spirit than we've seen before savoring a victory as they see it. as you might imagine, others see what happened today with a different mix of thoughts and feelings now that six members of the baltimore police department as you see them there, have been charged with felonies three with manslaughter and one with manslaughter and second-degree murder in the death of freddie gray. the 35-year-old state's attorney who brought the charges herself, the daughter of two