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to keep that three weeks after police threw 25-year-old freddie gray in the back of the police van we're seeing a different tone to the demonstrations at this point. celebrations really instead of anger, folks out here shouting that justice is winning. justice is winning. you can hear some of them behind me right now. six officers are charged, saying freddie gray's arrest was illegal and his death a homicide. all six officers out on bond their whereabouts at this point unknown. unknown. i want to get to an update on what's happening on the streets. my correspondents are out there, sarah side nor, nick valencia following the latest developments. sara, what is happening in your location? >> reporter: we're talking to a resident who lived here for 51 years, she says "i have never seen anything like this and it's
wonderful." yvonne is sitting on the street watching this happen. she can't believe it. i'll take you through the crowd a little bit. much different scene. don you've been here the whole time much different scene here than what we saw a week ago. people here feel good. they feel like something is happening that should be happening. they feel liker this' in some ways vindicated that at least they can believe there may be something happening with the police department that justice in their eyes is actually on the right track, whether that happens in the courts they don't know but they do know one thing. this is about being together and that's what people are talking about now, about coming out, being together with one another, we've seen black folks, white folks, we've seen people from different neighborhoods from all around the country but a lot of the people who are here are from here watching what's going on worrying about their own homes, worrying about their own businesses, also there are folks we talked to whose
children are police officers. i feel like we have to give our police respect but the police also have to respect the black community. what you're seeing here really is essentially a block party. the atmosphere here families friendly and people just want to come together. >> sarah sidner on the streets of baltimore and nick valencia set the scene for us right there. >> i think the operative word is that this is a celebration and there has been a complete shift in tone an attitude among the demonstrators here. i don't know if i want to call them demonstrators. as sarah mentioned this is more of a block party. if there's any indication how much things changed this is the first day on the corner of north avenue and pennsylvania avenue we have not seen police in riot gear. who knows what will happen at 10:00 p.m. when the curfew goes into effect. mike come on over here man. we were talking earlier about
this curfew. police said they'll keep it. what do you think? >> i think it's bad for the city. it's like violating our rights. >> reporter: do you plan to obey the curfew? are you going to stay out here? >> when the fight come on i'm going to be on before the fight come on. >> reporter: talking about the boxing match between pacquiao and mayweather. >> yes. >> reporter: maybe, maybe not you might stay out even though police want to you go home. >> no, i'm leaving. i'm about to leave but it's good to see everybody out here getting together. >> reporter: certainly a shift in attitude. looks completely different. as you've been mentioning all along this is different and you feel it. there is a change in the atmosphere and it is palpable here on the streets in baltimore. >> all right nick stand by. we'll get back to nick and sara as well. this is our continuing coverage of baltimore what's happening on
the streets again, curfew that goes into place just under two hours. cnn will be covering it all over for you. this week one of our producers sent us pictures of freddie gray's makeshift memorial from the site where he was arrested. you can see there are balloons and now deflated here take a look at this what the neighborhood looks like. the homes you see here boarded and abandoned, and to give you a sense of what gray's neighborhood is like these statistics from the 2011 baltimore health department report it has the highest incarceration rate in the state, highest incarceration in the state. the median household income is less than $25,000. the unemployment rate 20%, the truancy rate for high school 45%. the domestic violence rate 50% above city average. those are some dire numbers. we want to get all of the statistics like that that
underscore the community concerns. looking at live pictures now on the right of your screen in baltimore, and we have seen rallies and marches today as a response to yesterday's decision to charge six police officers in the death of freddie gray. here's what some of what we're hearing from members of the community. take a listen. >> it's not just a baltimore problem, not just a national problem, it's all over the world. there is an authority problem. >> joining me from los angeles, mr. michael skulnik from globalgrind.com and also in l.a. van jones, cnn political commentator. van to you. those numbers are dire. is this an authority problem? >> it's a complex problem. as you continue to have the conversation and the discussion you began to realize that you have a racial set of issues but you also have a class set of issues and as uncomfortable as americans are talking about
race, we're less comfortable talking about class. part of what is great about the people since monday used this national and global spotlight is to continue to raise issues of course at this horrible death of innocent man who was kidnapped off the street and apparently killed but also to talk about the deeper issues. the hopelessness the need for jobs and also i think you're seeing a generation now a younger generation finding its path to power. the young people of the city made a verdict on monday that monday's tactics had gone too far. you saw young people out there talking in a more positive manner. you saw a young woman elected who used her power in the right way so i think you've got deeper issues now on national stage, you have a generation who has been mobilized, they can see that peaceful protests and using the elected ballot and bringing electriced officials into this fight can be effective.
that's where i think we are at this point. >> i want to you continue the conversation and figure out what the focus needs to be moving forward. this is accumulating wealth as it comes to blacks, whites hispanics. . whites $134,230 for wealth. for hispanics $13,730 and for blacks $11,030. look at the median income the median income as it is separated income as we say, whites $91,405, blacks just above $6,000 and let's look at the retirement right here, the retirement rate between the races here whites $130,000 blacks $19,000, hispanics $12,000. that is stark to some people and i think it puts it into per perspective perspective. what does the focus need to be on? is that the biggest focus trying to create a level playing field
here? >> the disparity between whites and blacks is greater than that. white people in this country and we talk about violence that happened on monday night, and so upset and outrage over the violence and destruction of property. poverty is violence bad education is violence. the lack of jobs is violence. there's been a lot of violence in west baltimore for decades. the war on drugs has been violence. we talk about destruction. community has been destroyed by systemic oppression over decades in this country. i am much more concerned about broken spines than i am about broken windows. my friend dore said to wolf blitzer can be repaired. broken spines cannot. how do these things accumulate and happen. we have a man stopping a person
like fwredreddie gray ultimately killing him. they've targeted and destroyed for a larger mass inkars trags hysteria to feed a system that is broken and unjust and needs to be fixed and repaired immediately. >> reporter: i agree with you for the most part but the context to a broken spine and window. lot of people depend on the buildings where the windows were broken and burned down. people can't get prescriptions, the housing that was available for people they can't get it. those can be dire situations for people as well. while it is important to focus on the broken spine of someone like a freddie gray it is also important to focus on the thousands of people whose lives may be in jeopardy or affected by the acts of some individuals they should not have done. there is context behind that so i don't know if we want to be comparing one to the other. both are just as important but the accumulation -- go ahead.
>> we never get to the place freddie gray isn't murdered, if eric garner isn't choked out, we never get to the place if mike brown is killed. 300 have been killed since mike brown was killed in august of lastor by police in this country, once every 12 hours. that violence that anger is coming from so put that into context. >> reporter: i don't disagree with you. what i'm saying is when you have violence that happened here on monday people can lose their lives as well and every life is just as important as another life. you don't know how many people lose their lives not getting the prescriptions or the food they need. let's continue to talk about the accumulation. this is not something people don't know unless they're living under a rock that the accumulation of wealth in this country access to education and voting and on and on and on most people who are not of
color, those people who are not of color have gotten a jump on the rest of the population. so it's a delicate question here but what can white americans do who have benefited from racism in this country to better this country, to deal with that racial divide? van jones and then michael. >> one of the things that is interesting my father was born in desperate poverty in memphis, tennessee, he was born in segregation. he joined the military he fought his way through, go the out, he put himself through college, he helped his brother through college, his cousin myself my sister. listen nobody can give somebody who is poor money to stop them from being poor, if they're still poor in their skills maybe they won't be broke but they'll be broke again tomorrow. my dad said i work my way up but there was a ladder that i could climb. the problem we have now people want to focus on what the kids are doing. we have to hold adults to higher
standards. people should get educate and employed and there has to be a ladder to climb. the problem we have so many communities where the rungs have been taken out the summer programs you and i benefited from the afterschool programs the enrichment programs the, the coaching the mentorship minority scholarships so many of those rungs that my father climbed that i climbed are now gone. you can't then be angry at people who are trapped in hopelessness because they haven't built a ladder and climbed it. young people have responsibility to climb the ladder a dults have the responsibility to make sure the ladder is there for them to climb and we have been failing the young people much more than they've been failing us and i agree with a great deal of what my brother michael was saying. we have to be as exercised and as excited and as passionate about these communities when they're not fires lit visibles at when they are.
>> reporter: the president said that earlier this week as well. so michael, many people will mistake you, you've been there, mistake you as a brother, as a black man but you're a white man. my question what does white america need to do to heal that divide and really get to the bottom of thousand fix this? >> well i think there have been if if you look at the crowd even baltimore incredibly diverse, young people white, black latino hispanic, undocumented documented lgbtq, folks have come out in support of this black lives matter campaign and i think for a lot of white people watching this tonight and i often get don't all lives matter? that's in request to white lives matter. i've known things that a white person in this country for 250 years white lives matter. the young folks and the folks who started black lives matter, patricia patricia opal and alicia starting a campaign let's be allies not only be allies be accomplishments to the campaign. let's stand next and march with them and recognize, when we saw
walter scott get killed on that videotape in south carolina we were outraged. we saw it happen and oftentimes we question with the freddie gray did he do something wrong? was he carrying a knife that was a weapon? we find out the facts. these young black people know the truth. they know this police broughtality in the country, they know the systemic oppression and notice bad education. we as white people have to come to the table and say we believe you. we finally believe you and we will march with you for the policy changes, for the systematic oppression to end, for the massive incarceration to end. we vaul as white people in this country because we were passed on this privilege from hundreds and hundreds of years of privilege and supremacy in this country that we have benefited from. >> reporter: how do you break through with that, go ahead, van. >> sometimes it's just everybody needs to be more honest about our own family history. you talk to the average white
person, sometimes they will pretend they did it all on their own that there were no home loan programs that helped their family to actually celebrately exclude african americans sometimes by law. they act like the land grants never happened deliberately excluded african-americans. you talk about wealth. lot of wealth is handed down because a bank would give you a lone. i'm a ninth generation american. i am the first person in my family born with all my rights. i was born in 1968. my parents were born in segregation, my parents were married in segregation, my cousin kenya was born under segregation so when you talk about intergenerational wealth let's note forget that is not 10,000 years ago. my mother and father were born under segregation and in the '70s and '80s we were still filing lawsuits trying to get banks to loan fairly. you talk about a 10 or 20-year period in which african-americans have been able to compete and in that period of
time where we've been allowed to compete whether you're talking about sports or politics or music or anyplace else we tend to do pretty well. when it comes to finance, technology and others but i think it's important for people to be honest about their own family history, nobody made it on their own, some people made it with programs and others were tlib deliberately excluded from let's make sure everybody can be included in the american experience where we all work together to make everybody better. >> reporter: i hope you can stick around. i want to continue this conversation on the other side of the break and i know this is stirring the pot for some people but it's a legitimate question. what about reparations. what about that? more coming up as we continue our live coverage from baltimore right after this. i am rich. most weekends, you'll find me on my mega-yacht, which i bought from a mattress chain mogul, who could no longer afford the monthly payments. yes, i am rich.
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they're telling me it's celebratory out on the streets here at city hall people are still here it is a calm, peaceful demonstration happening. there are folks behind me one man with a bull horn he's out here his right to be out here people have rights that can carry signs and do whatever they want they're doing it peaceful and the city is welcoming all of those demonstrations unless it is getting close to 10:00 or 10:00 where they want everyone to go home. during that press conference that happened a short time ago the powers that be the police commissioner the head of the state police, the head of the national guard all said because of what happened here the unrest that happened early on on monday they want to keep this curfew into place for one more night, of course as a consolation there's a big fight tonight and people want to go out and see that. i want to bring my guest back in michael skulnik from global grind and van jones, cnn political commentator jing me
now. we're talking an honest conversation about race in this country and what we need to do now in light of what's happening here in baltimore. i think this for me and it's from cnnmoney.com this puts it into perspective. michael and van listen to this and everyone at home. take a seat. stop what you're doing, watch this and then we'll talk. >> dig deep into america's $17 trillion economy and you'll find fractures beneath the surface. the spoils are split unevenly between men and women, old and young, high school dropouts and mba. one of the most divisive disparities is skin deep. this is the economy in black and white. houses stocks cars that's your wealth. in 2011 the wealth of the median white house hold was over $110,000. african americans on average 17 times less and housing has a lot to do with it. for the average american their
home is the most valuable part of their portfolio. it's an investment that can appreciate with time and can be passed from one generation to the next but the rate of home ownership among whites is 28% higher than that of blacks. and the lingering effects of segregation could be to blame. discriminatory practices by the federal housing administration prevented african-americans from buying houses in many suburban neighborhoods. the fair housing act of 1968 sought to level the playing field but by then african-americans were entering housing market that had already seen massive appreciation. white families saw their housing investment soar in value during their head start. fast forward to the 21st century. minority groups were victims of housing exploitation this time by big banks. bank of america and wells fargo among others were compelled to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fines and restitution for pushing minorities no subprime mortgages and charging them higher rates and fees.
this contributed to the fact that blacks and hispanics lost nearly a 1/4er of their wealth between 2004 and 2010. whites lost just 1% during that same period. the american economy houses two economies, one black, one white. the divide between them a measure of inequality. >> reporter: van jones, i know that you are a political commentator, but this is not about politics this is not about right versus the left the republican versus democrats. this is the reality of america and many people aren't even aware, are ignorant of that reality and that history. >> well i think it's so important that you show that especially when we're having this discussion. i make this joke every african-american celebrity when they make it big they say i'm going to buy my mom a house. they don't say buying stocks and
bonds. home ownership was so difficult for us whole neighborhoods, whole parts of cities literally we were not allowed to buy anything and were crowded into ghettos. this was until very recently within my lifetime. there were still these covenants you could not go into certain neighborhoods and make a purchase. the idea of buying a home became something that was very important for us then what happens? banks go from neglecting us refusing to lend to abusing us and shoving these subprime mortgages on us, even african americans eligible for good loans were still given bad loans that were turned out, deliberately targeted. we went from being neglected to being abused and we lost so much of the wealth that we gained from the '60s we lost in the housing crash. look those people who were sophisticated who were in the stock market their wealth has come back two times. african-americans desperately trying to get into the housing market we are still down by 25%.
these are the background statistics that mean that the black middle class and working class has really been devastated from a wealth point of view and then you add on top of that excessive policing. now you begin to understand why there's so much outrage and why people are marching. it's not just about this horrible death, it's about the death of the american dream for african-americans, latinos, native americans and so many other people who we rarely rarely talk about, don. >> and michael we've had this conversation before and you and i argued about this and we talk about personal responsibility and when i talk about that i think i realize, i am realistic about what happened, the systematic oppression about racism and what have you, but not everyone is.
you told me that and i took your words to heart. sometimes you need to reiterate that. of course people should try to pull themselves up of course people should take responsibility for themselves but the whole country, everyone needs to be aware of where everyone started, not everyone started out equally in this country. >> i think oftentimes as white people someone says you have white privilege or white supremacy, you're the benefits of white supremacy we get defensive and as van said no we made it by ourselves or no we worked really hard to get what we got and they have to work hard too, and we forget that out of slavery, property was passed down by family to family to family and blacks couldn't own anything and then out of world war ii my grandparents were then pushed into the suburbs and given track housing and the suburbs were created in america and given federal programs to buy housing for the first time. i just bought my house, my first house this week yesterday i just closed on a contract. my son, my first house, my
son -- >> congratulations. >> he'll be fine for the rest of his life. white people are passed on property for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years this n this country. black people have not passed on property in their families and when you get passed down a piece of property for free from your mom and dad you are taken care of for the rest of your life. so when i look at recognizing what we have as privilege, i'm not saying you're wrong to accept what you've been given, but recognize what you had and understand the right that you take for granted every single day of your life, my dear white friends who are watching this at home if we don't fight for those same rights for those who don't have the rights that we have our rights are worthless. if we can't be out on the street and saying black lives matter when black kids are being shot by the police and killed and spines being broken our rights are worthless, too. >> reporter: i don't want to get this short but we have breaking news. i have to ask you this mike and then van. what about the case of
reparations. many peoplelike reparation some people don't. they say it's not realistic. i don't know i haven't studied reparations enough. it might help but i do think that in this country sadly i'm not optimistic about that happening. what do you think, michael? >> the first thing today watching google the article from "the atlantic" on reparations and lays it out beautifully much better than i can. i'm a believer in reparations when i see the president in the rose garden say just a few days ago that our congress won't help urban communities before he leaves office and he has to figure out creative ways to do so. we don't have any promise in sight that politicians are going to look at this situation and say let's fix education, let's fix poverty, let's fix bad jobs let's fix bad loans. if that's not the case it may be at a place where we have to give folks who have been oppressed and built this country, built the white house, built half of this land for free, it's time to
give them what they deserve. >> van jones? >> if there were ever a case for reparations for any people certainly african-americans who were enslaved for a couple hundred years, would be a case. listen if you worked one summer all summer long and then at the end of it supposed to get your paycheck they said nevermind we're not going to pay you, you would be angry for the rest of your life. i worked all summer they never paid me. imagine if it wasn't a summer but a century. imagine if it wasn't one century but two. how would you feel if your family had that. i'm a ninth generation american. this is a family story that is very alive and present in our understanding about how we have to navigate. that said i do think that regardless if you want to say well because of the past reparations or because of the present income inequality or
because of the future how are we going to invest in a country that works, we need to be looking at making a serious investment in the communities that have been falling further behind. we are wasting genius. those young people some interviewed they may not speak the king's english but there is a brilliance there, a genius there, a wisdom there. that genius should be tapped to make our economy work. that genius should put you to good use. those young people could be building businesses rather than burning them down. that requires a country -- >> when you look at -- >> yes? >> reporter: you look at many of the neighborhoods and the people who come from those neighborhoods, you see a lot of culture, a lot of the popular culture comes in there, music, fashion, and on and on and on. i hate to stop you gentlemen but i've got to move on. thank you very much van, thank you, michael. we'll continue this conversation of course a very interesting and important one. i want to update our viewers as to what's happening, live in baltimore, maryland.
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i'm ryan young live from pallet more learned in the last hour and a half police decided to extend the curfew for another night. we've seen peaceful protests throughout the day. marchers gathered throughout the city excited about the event of the night but a lot of people want the curfew to end. we've been covering it from the very beginning and the commissioner came out and talked about the idea people were still in the community who they've been watching for quite some time and they want to make sure those people do not reactivate the situation. they'll continue the curfew for another night. batts had a lot to say in the last hour. >> the violence of last monday was unprecedented for this city. it was a dramatic impact with a lot of loss of property and damage to the buildings and to officers out here. our officers with the support of our regional and state partners continue to stand tall and
stabilize the city of baltimore. tonight we see some of the same people in baltimore that were here last monday. we recognize the concerns over the curfew for tonight and everyone's safety we're going to keep the curfew in place. >> we've been here since tuesday talking to people on the ground and every day it's changed a little bit. the community has been working with the police department today we heard about trying to change the system, black people white people people from all over the country came to baltimore to stand in that square and talk about the changes they want made to the system and in fact, people continue to celebrate, sara sidner is at the crowd at the epicenter where everybody's been standing the last few nights at penn and north. >> reporter: i'm at north and north carey in baltimore where the music has been turned off but it really has been sort of
like a block party if you will people are coming out here all together all here for a cause, but they're all trying to explain to people that community. let me speak now to charay from west baltimore, lived here all your life? >> yes all my life. >> reporter: can you tell me what it was like out here today? have you ever seen anything like this? >> it was peaceful everybody came together, everybody was really respectful towards each other. it's never been like this before like now freddie gray situation really bringing the city together. everything positive going on. that's pretty much. >> reporter: can i ask you what you think about the curfew put in place again today? do you think it's necessary? >> the curfew is not fair. it's not fair. it's the weekend. we try to be out here like the curfew is not fair and at the end of the day we protesting because we trying to let you all hear our voice. y'all not listening to us. now you all listening. we don't need no people. we are grown [ expletive ] people. we're out here. >> reporter: let me ask you
about what you think about what happened and the charges with the six officers. did the state's attorney do the right thing, what are you expecting to see? >> the state's attorney did the right thing by charging them but we don't know if they're going to be convicted or not so it's a start, but we got to be convicted, he got to be convicted. you all killed somebody if it was somebody normal on out in the streets they would have gotten life they would have been convicted and in jail. no bail. i live this. >> reporter: thank you for speaking to me. my colleague nick valencia is out there and will tell you what's happening on his side. >> this scene a jubilant one. people have slowly but surely started to thin out about an hour and 20 minutes until that 10:00 p.m. curfew goes into effect. i'm here with one of those in attendance the last couple of hours, tony burke.
what do you think about the curfew implemented again tonight? >> i'm not too concerned about the curfew. i'm concerned about the city the country moving forward. in terms of the system recognizing and realizing that we suffer from poverty in our communities every second of every hour poverty runs rampant in your community. the other thing i'm concerned about is the resources, the resources are extremely limited in our community. >> you tell me that's why you weren't surprised to see what happened a block away at the cvs. >> that's an effect from a cause that never meant the community no good from the jump. listen the cause that has been placed in our communities, right, was what benefit people outside the community. it didn't benefit the community. the commute needs real
resources, most in juvenile facilities in a prison systems. how are we going to benefit from that? meaning what i'm trying to say is a lot of resources incarcerated. poverty is doing what it do so we have to switch it incarcerate poverty and free the resource talking about resources that did everything that our community suffered there. from real career training forget job training. we need career training from how to be in a relationship with fellow women and young men. >> reporter: are you guys planning on obeying the sur few tonight at 10:00 p.m.? >> yes. we're going to do it. >> we don't want to start no violence, be safe take it safe. >> that's the right thing to do. >> reporter: dramatic shifts in attitudes tonight. you see here it was like a celebration, like a victory celebration to celebrate the life of freddie gray. all say 10:00 p.m. curfew they'll honor it, back to you.
>> all right, thank you very much. i appreciate all the correspondence out there. we'll get back to them in the field. you won't miss what's going on out there. up next a message of hope for baltimore and the rest of the country. pro football star his name is benjamin watson he has something to say. you don't want to miss his conversation. he says i see a brokenness that only christ can give us wisdom and power to mend. don't miss that conversation. we're back live with our breaking news coverage. defy gravity. juvéderm voluma® is the only fda-approved injectable gel to instantly add volume to your cheek area. as you age, cheeks can lose volume. voluma adds volume creating contour and lift for a more youthful profile. for up to two years. temporary side effects include tenderness, swelling, firmness lumps, bumps, bruising, pain redness, discoloration and itching. ask your doctor. juvéderm voluma®. defy gravity.
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the midst of our breaking news in baltimore another breaking news story that i need to tell you about a right now, a sad one, a new york police officer, new york police are reacting to the shooting of one of their own a plain clothed officer with the anti-crime unit we are told in queens shot in the head today. an officer with the anti-crime unit in queens shot today in the head. details surrounding the shooting still coming in on cnn, but what we do know is that the officer is in the hospital right now, he is in critical condition and this incident again highlights the dangers that police face in some communities. we'll bring you more details but nypd plain clothed officer shot in the head working for the anti-crime unit and in critical
condition at jamaica medical center. we'll continue to update you on the breaking news on the officer and wish him well. the events in baltimore pointed to bad blood between police and some members of the community. it is really a situation and uneasiness that has addressed the country across the country. nba hall of famer charles barkley was criticized for his outspoken support of police after the incidents in ferguson missouri. today he sat down with rachel nichols to talk about what's going on in baltimore. >> are some cops bad? of course they are. but we need the cops especially in the black community. we need the cops. they do a fantastic job. do they make mistakes? the thing that bothers me the most is everybody wants to be a monday morning quarterback. >> right. >> none of us know how we react when guns adrenalin, pressure
scary situations so i think we have to be really careful judging the cops in all these situations. >> but some mistakes go beyond just mistakes some of these cases they've shown that the officers have acted in a way that they shouldn't have acted. >> yes. >> we saw whpd in north charlton the guy running away from a cop and shoots a gun at him. >> we should prosecute those guys. always look at the evidence. everybody thinks how they would react under pressure, and it's not that simple. but when cops make mistakes we should make them pay but we should also understand the stress they're understand the stress that they're understand because we need to work with them. >> why do you think that's so important? >> because if it wasn't for the cops we'd be living in the wild wild west. we would be living in the wild wild west. it would be that silly movie "the purge" people go around and taking and doing whatever they want to do no repercussions. that's what it would be like in
everyday life. >> reporter: let's talk about this now new orleans tight end new orleans saints tight end benjamin watson joins me from new orleans and baltimore city councilman carl stokes and lance lucas president of the black chamber of commerce. ben i want to start with you. what is your message that has touched people and touched you? >> obviously don, seeing the events of the last year near and a half touched me like the whole nation. our nation when it comes to relations and police officers and citizens and how they interact kind of coming to a head and the things we realized for a very long time are kind of being brought out in the open and we're talking about these things and you kind of have these two sides and so as an americans, as someone who watches the news and likes to stay involved my heart hurts because i'm seeing the brokenness on both sides you an you mentioned my thoughts that i wrote and what i see is the
result of an underlying issue we have which is our sin and creates this divide when we try to dot right thing we can't because of the sin in our life. i always point to christ he's the one that can answer these issues we have. we've tried different things we're trying to bridge the gap with pofrl, education and job creation with the police officers treating people the right way when they arrest them. but i always point to the fact that christ is the one that has to mend our hearts and change the way we view people so that we can thread the level of god and the people we interact with them. >> you said i see a brokenness only christ can give us wisdom and power to mend. i want to get your reaction to the charges of these officers, ben. >> i think that first of all it's a sad situation. i have six police officers that might be charged with homicide and killing someone that was in their custody. we saw the videos and one thing about the camera phones we're able to see more of what's going on. we saw the video and it was
obvious mr. gray was injured. i'm happy there's going to be an investigation. i think the community is happy that that happens. that being said i want the investigation to be transparent, our hope is that if the sfirs have done something that is wrong they'd be brought to justice just like anybody else would. >> i want to ask you, where do we go from here is really what i want the focus of this conversation to be about. the three gentleman we assembled here can talk about that. what is your wish for the black community here and across the country, and that really means america. we are a all americans but what is your wish specifically for black people in america all across the country? >> my wish for the black community specifically in some cities where the events have happened and hopefully where they won't be happening next week and the week after is that we are able to move forward and forgive some of the things of the past and present and you look at the way we came to this country, the period between the end of slavery up until world
war i and the interaction with police officers where black men were sent to work in karpz. lot of generational hurts two black people in this country, a lot of things that our grandparents tell us and things we experienced on our own. my hope for the black community is not to portray that on every white person they see. every white person they see is not looking at them trying to get something from them or take advantage of them or treat them wrongly. also my hope in the black community is that we are able to understand that we have great opportunity. things are not as bad as they used to be. they're just not. we have a great opportunity to take advantage of some of these things and to get education and to move forward and really my hope for the christian community, blacks and whites is to bridge the gap. the christian community should be the example of what it means to not look at people because of the color of their skin but really because of the content and character and all that happens because of the love of jesus christ. >> reporter: let's talk to, i want to talk to lance now.
member of the black chamber of commerce here. they just announced that they are going to keep the curfew in place. do you think that's a good idea? is that hurting business here? >> it's definitely hurting business here. i talked to a couple of our members, earlier today, phase ten. they're losing business every time we're under curfew all the restaurants and we have people that have appointments that are losing our appointments and everything and are unsure of a lot of events coming up. >> we've been looking at looting in places like cvs. many people get their prescriptions, it's where many people get their groceries. is there a kesh the businesses won't come back and people will be afraid to invest in the community? >> it's like '68 they will come back but who suffers in the
meantime in between time? i walked the street every day i went to college, i worked in the mall, i taught in the neighborhood for ten years, so these are people that i know and i care about and these are my family and i want them to be peaceful and responsible and really like for us to try at least to come to some resolution don't destroy your own stuff. >> as we are standing here there's misplaced anger because people don't understand why some people are out here why they need to obey the curfew. they want the media to leave, they criticize the media not being here trying to bring a voice. what do you is ai to the misplaced aggression people have here? >> reporter: rage and chaos has no order. and we have messages like the least of us deserve the best of us. >> right. >> or that we can really build a
bridge. our message doesn't get heard in chaos, does not get heard in shouting. it gets heard when we come up with plans and we enact plans, keep following through and negotiate and communicate, aenwe follow a process through. i understand the chaos. i understand the rage but that's that does not mean that's how we build. >> reporter: council member how does baltimore rebuild itself from here? many of the places that we bring out here are that they looted. they were trying to help people affordable housing and stores and businesses. how do you move forward now? >> i think that in a city like baltimore, which black leadership that the black leadership has to stop talking and start doing. we have to including myself take ownership of what has gone on in so much of our city. it's not just the police problem. police may be the least of our problems in the city.
back black leadership political leadership must reverse itself and start to pass these on to fund initiatives in our own communities. this is a valued thing. they've looked as they've looked for 30 years, 20 years. it just isn't fair that we had decided priorities be somewhere else other than -- [ inaudible ] it's a big deal for us. [ inaudible ] to be responsible for this. >> reporter: i want to thank mr. stokes mr. watson and of course mr. lucas for joining us here on cnn. again it's a very busy breaking news. we wanted to spend more time with you. we hope the community can move forward and you guys you gentlemen can show how the future needs to be here and what we need to do to have a better future not only in baltimore but around the country. we'll continue on with breaking news. we want to tell you just about an hour a mandatory curfew is
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