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practice run to mass murder. a new report says the pilot accused of crashing a plane full of people into the alps did a trial run earlier that day so how did it go unnoticed? was the knife found on freddie gray legal? a single spring could be the game changer in the case against the six baltimore police officers charged in his death. we'll explain. and then possible online link to isis. the texas shooter and his twitter talk to a british jihadist. does this indicate there was
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some kind of international plot? hello, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. new developments this morning coming in about the hours leading up to the germanwings flight that slammed into the french alps killing all 150 people onboard. an interim report put out by french investigators found out that and reas lubitz practiced n the hours ahead of time. lubitz did this while the captain was out of the cockpit. the same captain on the deadly flight later that day. frederik pleitgen joins us now. a lot here in this report. >> there is a lot here in that report.
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we've been talking so much since this crash happened about the premeditated nature of all of this and how much planning lubitz put into killing all those people when he steered that plane into the french alps. it seems as though right now that he did rehearse what he was going to do on the flight immediately before the doomed flight later that day and those are the words of the french investigators who put out that interim report today. there is interesting quotes in all of that. just like in the doomed flight, he waited for the pilot to leave the cockpit and then started fidgeting around with the controls. one quote we have here is selected altitude decreased to 100 feet. that's a selected altitude of the autopilot for three seconds and then increased to the maximum value of 49,000 feet and then stabilized at 35,000 feet. later in the initial findings from the report they say several altitude selections toward 100 feet were recorded during
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descent on the flight that preceded the flight. that indicates or strongly suggests that this is so important that they put this into the interim report that it appears to them that he did in fact rehearse all this. it's interesting to point out that while the co-pilot changed the selected altitude of the autopilot several times, at no point did that influence the trajectory of the plane. it was supposed to be going down at that point in time. it did. they believe that because trajectory of the plane wasn't changed because the altitude changes were so quick that he readjusted them and that's why the pilot at this point didn't notice that the co-pilot was fidgeting around with controls. it is a very interesting new finding and one that indicates that even more planning went into this than we had initially thought. >> crucial new findings which lay out the time line of what this man was thinking. thank you so much. it raises so many new questions which is why we're lucky to have
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with us mary schiavo. any reason to do what this man did to keep setting the descent to 100 feet and cancelling it. >> it's a two-step process when you select an altitude. the first process is to select the altitude that you're clear to and second process is how do we get to that altitude. there are various ways to do it. there's vertical speed mode. there's flight level change mode. he probably had already established the airplane in a descent. there was clearance involved down to 25,000 feet. judging by that graph, it's strange the captain would have left the cockpit knowing that descent would have been initiated into barcelona at that point in time. there's something curious about that why he had to go to the lab at that point.
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regardless, i know we're talking about this from the standpoint of it could be a practice but it very well could have been he may have been contemplating doing it at that time because he was trained in that system. >> he may have had second thoughts five times before landing the plane. >> that's an interesting point, les. absolutely. something to consider. mary, when you see that graph and those wild changes in altitude selection, it does beg the question is there any way or any expectation that the pilot when he came back in would have noticed anything or that anyone on the ground should have noticed anything there? >> no. that's the heartbreak on top of heartbreak. there's lots of data available but unless the plane is equipped to stream the data and they decide to stream the data of the performance from the flight and someone is monitoring it, they wouldn't have noticed. it's clear that the pilot didn't notice for another reason the front lab was inoperative and he
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went clear to the back. he was gone for four minutes. there was nothing indicated in the report that when he came back he said anything or at least that was captured on cvr that i felt something or heard something or nothing. so while you could capture that kind of data and in fact after every flight if you wanted to you could change the configuration and get the data off the flight data recorder. they're not made that way now. it's not monitored now even though that data could be available. >> two questions here, les. there are possible ways in the future that people would notice as mary said live streaming of that data if someone knew what to look for and an additional person in the cockpit which many european airlines instituted since. us airlines has that. someone would have noticed if he was doing this. >> it would have been a flight attendant into the cockpit as a precaution more for nefarious event to come into the cabin as
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a security procedure and that flight attendant would say you're looking at a pilot qualified changing some sort of mode on the autopilot, it wouldn't have set off alarm bells regardless. >> unless you know what you're looking for. >> exactly. >> do you foresee flight atte attendants on american airlines, do they have training to notice if a pilot was putting in some very drastically changing altitude selections? >> by in large, no. they're not trained in that. there are savvy flight attendants and some have pilot licenses themselves. not usually. they are in there to safeguard the pilot who is not flying who is outside the door is not gone that long and they are really there to safeguard the door and just to make sure that the pilot doesn't get sick or pass out or die while the other one is out of the cockpit. so they are watching the door. and usually it's a very short event. >> amazing this is cominge ininn
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the interim report. mary, always great to see you. les, thank you so much. lots to discuss on that front as well going ahead. ahead for us "at this hour," was the knife found in freddie gray's pocket when he was arrested, was it illegal? one of the officers charged is now questioning the prosecutor over that weapon. what this challenge could mean for the case against the officers. plus, the big dog plays d. new comments to cnn from bill clinton. how he now explains the controversial finances inside his foundation. i'm reworking the menu. veggies you're cool... mayo, corn dogs... you are so out of here! ahh... the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein... and 26 vitamins and minerals. and now with... ...twice as much vitamin d ...which up to 90% of people don't get enough of. ohhhhhhh. the sunshine vitamin! ensure now has 2x more vitamin d to support strong bones.
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new this morning in the investigation into freddie gray's death, one of the six baltimore police officers
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charged in the case is now challenging the prosecutor in court over some of the charges. officer edward nero insists the knife that gray was carrying at the time of his arrest was illegal contradicting the case against him. marilyn mosby says the knife found was legal meaning that his arrest was not. >> officer nero is demanding to see the knife. mosby issued a statement saying the evidence we collected cannot be disclosed, relayed or released to the public before trial and went onto condemn anyone with access to trial evidence that leaks information prior to the resolution of the case. she said the knife was legal. paul callan is with us and we're joined by attorney eric guster. paul, it seems to me either this knife was legal or it is not. that will be cleared up soon. a separate issue is whether the cops knew it was legal or it's
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not. the state prosecutor, the state attorney seems to suggest they knew it was legal yet they still arrested freddie gray? >> that's where the difference lies in the case. bear in mind, the reports were that freddie gray began running the minute he saw the cops and he was in a high crime neighborhood. the supreme court has said that would have justified a reasonable stop. they could have pursued him and stopped and made inquiry. she doesn't talk about that. it's mixed up together like the initial stop was illegal. now, the second part is could they arrest him after the stop? if that knife was a spring assisted switchblade or gravity knife, it may have been illegal under maryland law. if in fact it was not, then maybe the arrest was made just to teach him a lesson because he gave the cops lip when they stopped him which is what the d.a. is saying. defense attorneys have every right to ask to see that knife and have their own experts
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examine it because i can tell you it's confusing sometimes as to whether these knives are legal or illegal. >> that can come down to the spring, the button, the way that the switchblade opens up and opening mechanism which is confusing to lay people. >> how confusing it is in new york the d.a. went after some of the biggest stores in the country. home depot and others that were accidentally selling illegal knives. cops on the street have the same problem. >> on the most basic point, if when the knife is revealed, if it is found that this was an illegal knife meaning the arrest was legal and correct, it gets confusing, illegal/legal, do the charges against officer nero, will they be dropped immediately? what happens? >> we have to remember he's facing more than just this one charge. he has two counts of assault and two counts of misconduct in office.
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so what the defense lawyers are doing, they're trying to chip away at the prosecution's case bit by bit because this is just like them carving out mt. rushmo rushmore. they are filing motions to try to take away one charge at a time. i believe the case will go away on that particular count. however, he faces two charges of assault and two counts of misconduct in office. that would just take away part of his criminal responsibility. >> that's the false imprisonment charge. the false imprisonment charge is the one that hangs on whether this knife was legal or it's not, paul. would the cops need to know whether the knife was a switchblade or not to be convicted of false imprisonment? >> i think you're onto something. it's an important part of the case. if they knew it was a legal knife and they throw him in the back of the paddy wagon and they proceed to give him a rough ride and when he should be hospitalized they continue with
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the ride to torture him for the nastiness that proceeded possibly, then you have a very serious case here. on the other hand, if it's a close call, if the cop in good faith thought it was an illegal knife, he had grounds to put him in custody and take him to the precinct and have him examined further at the precinct. >> it's important to note this doesn't get to the most important issue regardless of if they're chipping away at charges or not on how did freddie gray die. we're talking about the arresting event. how he died that happened right after that, this does not get to that. >> people thought these would be the easiest charges to prove and get convictions on and they could disappear. >> even if the knife was legal, if they abused him, hurt him, they would face those other charges. that's just one part of the case that may go away. he still faces a few other charges as well. >> agree.
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thanks so much. ahead for us, the twitter jihadist who may have played a role in texas shootings. what did he say that has investigators now on the hunt? well, a mortgage shouldn't be a problem, your credit is in pretty good shape. >>pretty good? i know i have a 798 fico score, thanks to the tools and help on kaboom... well, i just have a few other questions. >>chuck, the only other question you need to ask is, "what else can you do for me?"
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we have new information this morning on the texas shooting. one of the gunmen appears to have exchanged tweets with a british isis recruiter. he may have played a key role in inspiring simpson. >> he's british hacker who is believed to have joined isis in the last couple years.
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u.s. officials say hussain recruits online and inspires others to launch attacks in the west. let's bring in cnn terror analyst paul cruickshank. you know a lot about these guys especially their impact and their reach when it comes to social media. how dangerous is this guy? >> there's concern about this british isis attacker. he is believed to have moved from the u.k. to syria in early 2013 to join up with isis and to play a significant role within that terrorist organization helping them with some of these hacks in recent months. just before the attack, elton simpson called on twitter followers to follow hussain and claimed ownership for isis after this attack and also there was a tweet in the hours before the
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attack warning something was in the works. soon we'll come to your streets with death and slaughter he said before this attack in texas. the idea is he might have had full knowledge of this attack and just the past few hours he released another tweet saying you ain't seen anything yet. soon, soon. obviously there's concern he has knowledge of another attack in the works in the united states. >> what are the range of this guy's responsibilities? just a recruiter or just a propagandist? is it possible he tried to inspire these people in the united states or is he an operational planner? >> the concern that u.s. authorities have is he's playing an operational role in terms of encouraging people in the united states in the west to launch attacks. he's very prolific on twitter. twitter keeps suspending his account but he pops up with new accounts all the time. he's able to stay online and get this message out from the isis
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point of view and he has very significant hacking skills. he was part of an international hacking collective called team poison convicted in the u.k. in 2012 for stealing some personal information of tony blair's and posting it online and he puts these hacking capabilities at the service of isis and back in march when there was that threat put out by isis supporters putting out that information about u.s. military online, you'll recall that he was one of the isis figures who was posting that on twitter. so a very dangerous individual indeed because of his tech savvy skills and knowledge. >> how serious is this trend. it's a scary trend for sure. how worried are officials taking this in terms of lone wolves and these operatives and isis operatives communicating via social media with what would
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become these lone wolves like elton simpson. it seems at this moment extremely tough to stay on top of these communications and on top of this threat. >> it's very concerning indeed. if these lone wolves in the west are reaching out and interacting with isis figures, that can give extra inspiration to launch attacks. they feel it's part of a greater cause. the last few months we've seen a number of plots and attacks in which lone wolves prior to the attack have pledged allegiance to abu bakr al baghdadi. we saw that in paris with the kosher market attack pledging allegiance and then in copenhagen with the shooting at the event there where he pledged allegiance to abu bakr al baghdadi a few minutes before the attack on facebook. all of this is allowing isis to take ownership and to use it for propaganda purposes and to inspire future attacks. >> it's that propaganda
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inspiring future attacks recruiting that's all a big part of their operation at this point. great to see you as always. ahead for us "at this hour," was it rehearsal for murder? a new report says the pilot accused crashing the commercial jet into the french alps killing everyone onboard that he did a trial run earlier in the day. we'll delve further into this. how could it go unnoticed? >> prosecutor versus prosecutor. new scathing criticism for marilyn mosby from inside baltimore. [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts,
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never actually engaged. the plane never went to that altitude but kept on setting it at 100 feet. saying i might take this plane to 100 feet. i might crash this plane right now. is there anyway that either the captain who was onboard with him at the time, is there any way that anyone on the ground at the time should have known that this happened or could have known? >> because of the time, the flight before where he murdered everyone and killed himself, i don't think they could have known from that particular flight. the question i have is airlines regularly go back and look at prior flights. it's a program that they have. they'll pull flight data recorder and look at the information. if someone looking at this guy's past flights, his activity that he engaged in when pilots were leaving the cockpit, that might show notice on behalf of the airline. >> before this one? >> the report which is just a preliminary report just basic information does not provide
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that information. >> how important do you think this information, this graph that we're seeing, this possibly a rehearsal, how important do you think it is? this is coming out in the interpret report. this isn't the final report that suggests that french investigators think it's critical. >> it's because it's on the flight data recorder. one of the first things you do is you look at the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder and because it was the prior flight, this information is on that. so that gets into the preliminary report. what really tells me is this wasn't just an isolated incident. this guy had the plan and idea for a while. we now know on two flights he was playing around with it just the same way that it's been described as a practice. i think it's more of a guy trying to work up maybe courage. i wouldn't use courage to describe what this guy did. but work up the idea of actually murdering all of these people and killing himself. >> so the trial run as it were, rehearsal, whatever it was,
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happened when the captain was out of the cockpit and the pilot was out of the cockpit during the crash, is it unusual for a captain to leave the cockpit so much on flights which aren't going over oceans or anything. >> what's unusual is when he left it. the pilot on the prior flight left it right before the airplane was supposed to take a descent. that's normally a time that you're not going to have one of the pilots leave the cockpit. going back, most airlines nowadays would always have two people in the cockpit and based on what this guy did, he did his stuff when he was alone. i think that's really something maybe more for a psychiatrist than aviation lawyer. i don't think if two people were in this cockpit, he wouldn't have murdered 150 people. a former baltimore prosecutor is ripping into marilyn mosby calling her
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new this morning, withering criticism for marilyn mosby saying the charges she levied against six hours is recklessness, political ambition and all of the above. that scathing assessment comes from a former baltimore prosecutor. >> a new piece that's in "the baltimore sun" that former prosecutor says if she were a baltimore police officer right now, she would be looking for another job immediately and as a baltimore citizen she also writes that you may start
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looking some place else to live. joining us to discuss, that prosecutor, page croyder. you were blunt off the top. you say the decision reflects inexperience, reflects recklessness and you also talk about political ambition. why did you feel so strongly about speaking out like this? >> when you have a complicated case like this and volatile case like this, you have to take your time to get it right. you have to take your time so that people have confidence that the charges that you are placing are not motivated by political ambition and do not reflect your inexperience. in this case two weeks is almost unheard of a case like this. she did not use her own homicide unit to investigate this. she was doing a separate investigation, which by the way, will probably complicate her ability to prosecute the case. she didn't use her most
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experienced attorneys. she did not use the grand jury, which should have been a very important tool to her to swear witnesses under oath and so if they changed their testimony later they have it under oath piece of evidence to show to the jury to have ordinary citizens of that grand jury ask questions about what happened so she can get feedback as to what questions are unanswered and perception of the appropriate charges. she didn't do any of that and she didn't even have the autopsy report until the morning she was announcing the charges. her mind was already made up ditto with the police report. she didn't get the completed police investigative report until the day before she announced her charges meaning her mind had to have been made up. she did no consultation with the police investigators. there had to have been many questions. her own charging documents raise many questions. >> you lay out a number of arguments there.
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i think critics of your arguments might say, number one, the reason she didn't use a homicide detective is she really wanted to be independent from the police. there are those that suggest that police shouldn't be investigating police. you also refer to in a case like this. what makes it a case like this? it's police officers involved and a lot of people leading up to the charges were suggesting if these were not officers, if this were a similar situation away from law enforcement, you would have seen charges more quickly. should police officers be treated differently? >> this doesn't have anything to do with the police officer aspect. let me point out she didn't use her own homicide prosecutors to investigate. i wasn't talking about the homicide detectives. she didn't use the most experienced prosecutors in her office used to investigating homicides to do this work for her. as to treating the police differently, what's different about this is there were no charges at the outset. there were no arrests made of
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the police officers. what you were doing was investigating how this person died because to this day we don't know how he died. if there was evidence immediately available that showed that a police officer had broken his neck, there would have been an immediate arrest. this is not that situation. this is a situation which called for an investigation and she did not use all of the tools available to her to do a completely thorough investigation. and the problem with that is that you then set up -- >> real quick. you are passionate about this. you care very much about this. i can absolutely see that. >> it's not this case. >> just hold on. >> it's not this case. >> i understand. with this situation we want to talk about this case though and i want to get your take on this. with this situation, you were with the state's attorney's office for 21 years. you're not involved directly with this case.
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what is it about this that leads you as i get the strong sense that you do not trust that this prosecutor albeit an abbreviated investigative period that this prosecutor doesn't have her ducks in a row before she brought these charges? what makes you think that she doesn't? >> i just explained it to you. she didn't use the tools available. she didn't use the tools available to her. she herself is terribly inexperienced. never personally was involved in any cases of this magnitude and further of all you can look at the charges themselves that tell you that she doesn't have her ducks in a row. her probable cause statement which she drafted and it wasn't a police officer doing it, she drafted to establish probable cause for the arrest of these officers do not support the charge of second-degree murder. that alone. then she is charging two
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arresting officers with false imprisonment when there's a serious question as to whether or not there was probable cause. she also could not possibly have thought through the implications of charging officers for arresting without probable cause because those implications are very serious. if you're going to charge them criminally for what may have been a mistake versus planting of evidence or lying. if an officer incorrectly interpreted the fourth amendment to be subject to criminal charges has a huge chilling effect on the police department about which i'm getting feedback already. so, yes, she could not have possibly taken the time to think that through. >> okay. page croyder, thank you for coming on. i encourage everyone to look at your piece in "the baltimore sun." thanks again. ahead for us "at this hour,"
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a suggestion big money from overseas influenced hillary clinton's decisions when she was secretary of state. >> a short time ago president bill clinton told christiane amanpour the allegations in the book won't fly. listen. >> we had a policy when she was secretary of state that we would only continue accepting money from people that were already giving us money. i tried to recreate that policy as nearly as i can now during the campaign. with minor exceptions for healthcare work which we can talk about if you like. i think they all -- people know that. people understand that enormous percentage of health and development work around the world is funded by governments and multinational organizations and they found us because they think we're good at solving problems and taking advantage of opportunities. but we also have 300,000 other
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donors and 90% of them give $100 or less. so there is just no evidence. even the guy that wrote the book had to admit under questioning he didn't have a shred of evidence for this and thought he would throw it out there and see if it would fly. it won't fly. >> it won't fly. let's bring in our chief political analyst gloria borger who just wrote a column about this. i'm struck by the defense there's no evidence of this. there's no evidence of this. why not just say it didn't happen. there was no influence at all? >> he also said in another interview we did nothing knowingly inappropriate, which is also parsing words. the clintons are clearly prepared for journalists to be poring over the books of the clinton foundation and do exactly what this author tried to do. i don't think anybody has yet made a case of a quid pro quo of
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any kind at all. i do think, however, that they've got to be prepared to answer these questions and i wish, however, it were hillary clinton answering these questions rather than bill clinton because she does have some issues with voters on whether she's honest and straightforward. one way to deal with that is to be straightforward. we'll look at a poll. scott walker on top with 21%. look at this graphic here. you see rand paul, marco rubio. ted cruz. mike huckabee. ben carson. way, way back is jeb bush in seventh place with 5%. >> and another important number coming out of this poll, a quarter of voters there, republican voters, caucus goers,
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definitely would not support jeb bush. he topped the list of those that they would not support at 25%. let's bring in david brody in addition from christian broadcasting network joining our conversation on jeb bush at % support in iowa right now, what's behind that, do you think? >> it's not necessarily shocking folks. look, jeb bush is the frontrunner and it's all in quotes but that's what it is. it's in quotes. i mean he's kind of a weak frontrunner right now and whether it be immigration or the name or there's so many -- gop establishment, this idea that he is part of the gop establishment, i think that's what's driving down his numbers and, of course, immigration going on. you put it all together and you come up with a figure about 7%. he has work to do. >> i think you're giving him the ben it fit of the doubt at 5%. >> seventh place at 5%. >> we always talk in iowa about how lately the evangelical voters are driving the polls in
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iowa and that might explain why jeb's not doing well, david, but look, george h.w. bush won in iowa in 1980, george w. bush won in iowa convincingly in 2000. i think it's striking that they're turning away from him. >> well, i think you make a good point. i don't think the game is over at all in iowa, but jeb bush has work to do. i don't think there's any question about it and he needs to be stronger on issues like traditional marriage and life issue which are issues he's strong on but needs to be stronger and put those out there more to basically offset immigration. it's important to understand with evangelicals they are not a one or two trick pony. evangelicals, marriage, abortion, hold on for a moment folks. evangelicals are involved in the common core movement big time in this country. they put religious liberty as a tier a issue now in this country. why do you think rand paul does well in iowa and other places with evangelicals because he's
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talking about not just religious liberty but actually cutting off funds to groups, to organizations, to states that are killing christians and that gets his biggest applause lines in iowa and elsewhere. >> i want you to jump in. do you think jeb bush, is this insurmountable? >> no. it isn't insurmountable. he has a lot of work to do and a problem there. don't forget, he's hired somebody who used to deal exclusively with iowa, david kochle, to run his campaign there. i have been told that he's actually making personal phone calls himself to activists in the state, because he understands that he's got a lot of work to do. he does have a lot of work to do, not insurmountable. the other interesting thing here, look who's leading, scott walker, governor of wisconsin. he is not even in the race yet. he's clearly got at lot of staying power. marco rubio also has more than
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tripled his standing since february, i believe. so that is huge for him and cruz is moving up. you see how this field is shaping up in iowa. i wouldn't count bush out, but if you look at the sort of young tu ones leading the field he has a tough job ahead of him. his campaign tells me look, we're not giving up on iowa. >> john mccain got the nomination barely competing in iowa. >> yeah. they may not win, right. yeah. >> all right. david and gloria, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> next for us, mike rowe shows us huge stones. >> what? >> he takes on rocks because somebody's got to do it. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets.
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all right. little us, big us. moments ago we promised you mike rowe would show you huge stones. >> please stop. >> the time has come. >> apparently so. >> in a new episode of "somebody's got to do it" mike takes on a job that you may not know much about. working on a california boulder crew. >> rock. >> big rock. >> big rock. >> thank you. >> the actual job is harder than this. ♪
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>> welcome. >> thanks. >> nice office. >> yeah, isn't it? >> excuse me. >> i'm allergic to heights. >> oh. >> the job is clearly dangerous and i'm flattered and surprised the state gave us permission to participate with tom and his crew. >> this is when the fun starts. >> all right. gentlemen climbing. >> with that, finally the actual work begins. >> we can start rolling rocks. ♪ >> man, there is so much stuff here. >> this is the kind of things that oil pans and radiators hate. >> that thing pops up out of the street. >> yeah. >> straight through your oil pan. >> yeah. look how loose all this is. yep. >> that's why we do it. >> basically this is erosion, right? it rains. >> it's weathering of the rock, sort of rots out and you have to clean it off and maybe hopefully get down to some better rock. >> it seems endless in terms of
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like a job, you know. >> right. and, you know, in five, ten years when most of this soil is gone, and what not, we'll come back and do this again. >> right. >> it's a maintenance activity. >> know what it is? it's job security. >> job security too. and look at the road already. just from the little bit we've done so far. >> yep. >> it's a growth industry, rocks. >> but that is a very important maintenance job i really never considered before. >> hopefully you won't have to. >> thank you. because you're saving our cars and probably our noggins if they're not falling on our headsp. see all new episode of "somebody's got to do it" with mike rowe tomorrow at 9:00 on cnn. >> looks cool, though, right. >> from below. i don't know if i would want to be up there doing that. we'll send you up next time. >> please. >> thank you for joining us "at this hour". >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now.
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hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." i want to begin with the terror attack in texas, as investigators trace the moments the days the weeks leading up to that shooting outside a prophet mohammed cartoon contest in garland. the big focus now is the gunman's on-line ties to terrorists overseas. kyung lah looks at how social media may have played a role in this week's attack. >> this morning, investigators op the hunt for any possible accomplices in the garland, texas, terror attack. the fbi scrubbing through the two deceased gunman's apartment. searching for clues that may connect elton simpson and nadir soofi across the


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