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contrast to brady's response right after the scandal broke. >> i didn't, you know have any -- you know i didn't alter the ball in any way. i have a process i go through before every game where i go in and pick the balls that i want to -- the footballs i want to use for the game. >> is tom brady a cheater? >> i don't believe so. i mean i feel like i've always play within the rules. i would never do anything to break the rules. >> that was tom brady after the afc game before sumper bowl. patriots owner robert kraft issued this swift and sharp rebuke of the part writing in part quote, when i addressed the media at the super bowl on january 6th i stated i unconditionally believe the new england patriots had done nothing inappropriate and that i was disappointed in the way the league handled the initial investigation. that statement has not changed. to say we are disappointed nits
findings findings which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence would be a gross understatement. there's more of that statement that's even more significant. we'll get to that. joining me now christine brennan. she's on the phone with me. mike freeman is on the phone with the bleacher report. i mike let me go to you first, to this reporting. this is from the ted wells report. what exactly did they find? >> well first of all, good to be with you again. what they found was not exactly a smoking gun but something close to it. and wells basically found that -- and this is the core of all this that tom brady knew about this knew about footballs being deflated was part of it. he doesn't come out and say it
but basically it was part of a cover-up. the text messages, half the language can't be used on television but it shows a link to brady. so this is the problem for the patriots. the report didn't find the patriots as an organization at fault. it focuses on brady. and this really hurts brady. it doesn't destroy him. he's still a great quarterback. but it hurts him, and it hurts his legacy. that's the important part of this whole thing. this will impact his legacy probably for a long long time. >> let me come back to that and the repercussions of the consequences consequences. that's a big statement to make considering he's the superstar of the new england patriots team. kraft writes what is not highlighted in the text of the ted wells report is that three of the colts' four footballs
measured by at least one official were under the required psi level. it goes on the final sentence of that graph, i'm going to rely on the factual evidence of numerous scientists and engineers rather than inferences from circumstantial evidence. what does that tell you? >> it tells me the patriots are not yet done with this. they want to fight or they want to at least in the court of public opinion have a bit of a fight and say, hey, wait a minute listen to our side. what this means is deflategate may now continue which is almost hard to believe because we thought this was the story that ate america in january. now here we are again. it may go on for a while. i do think, though that a resolution to this one way or the other, whether tom brady is fined, suspended for next year or whatever we'll see what happens next. but i don't know from the patriots' point of view, brooke, with bob kraft how much more
they gain by continuing to fight this especially when it's only brady. as mike pointed out, absolutely they're focusing on brady. mr. clean, the boy next door. it's not belichick. it's not the organization. and i think in that way, maybe the patriots should cut their losses by not arguing anymore but just let brady take whatever medicine he's going to be getting. >> koyie, i don't know what that medicine may taste like for tom brady. i imagine not so great. what happens to him, i mean hearing mike say this could truly tarnish his legacy that's huge when i hear that. do you agree with that? >> well brooke i think absolutely it does. one, that it happened. two, that he apparently lied that anything happened. they just said he was generally aware. that may not be true. this is speculation. they said it's more probable than not. what we know is this 273-page report listed tom brady's name 378 times. they did their due diligence. we know they conducted a series of simulations and they found
that 13 footballs could be deflated easily in under 1:40 more than enough time for them to be able to deflate those footballs. i s head nfl equipment manager. he said looking back to tom brady's press conference when he denied that he had any wrongdoing in this instance he said that he and the whole equipment staff were shocked. he said essentially now someone's going to get fired because of this because what he's essentially saying is that there was a rogue ball boy, a rogue equipment manager doing this on their own. so looking back on it now with the ted wells report out, it does look as it says in the report more probable than not that tom brady had a general awareness of what was the happening and was behind it in a sense. >> just quickly, to end this christine, we're talking about maybe firings of ball boys maybe tarnishing of a legacy of tom brady. does this mean a fi of punishment? >> maybe one or two games, you know next season, which is very significant. i have no idea, and we're not
hearing anything yet from the nfl on that. they cannot not do something. in other words, something has to happen. this story was so big and took over right before the super bowl that there has to be a resolution. seems to me there has to be punishment based on what we're hearing from the report. >> okay. christine brennan, mike freeman, and coy wire thank you all so much. now this. a new report provides perhaps the most damning detail yet that, the co-pilot of that doomed germanwings flight 9525 committed mass murder. investigators now believe andreas lubitz repeatedly practiced putting that plane into a rapid descent. this information comes from a preliminary report by the b.e.a. it put forth this graph to explain how lubitz practiced.
i want you to take note of all the red at the zero level. you see here? because that is how often and how long lubitz according to this report set the plane to drop toward 100 feet. the same auto pilot setting flight 9525 was at when it collided in the french alps. the report said lubitz did these dry runs over a period of five minutes when the pilot had apparently left the cockpit briefly and after air traffic control had directed the plane to go to a lower altitude. with me now, aviation attorney daniel rose and cnn analyst mary schiavo. welcome to both of you. i have a lot of questions. mary to you first. the fact we know this co-pilot repeatedly set that altitude at 100 feet a couple times during that previous flight is that something that folks on the ground air traffic control, should have or could have detected? >> no that's a problem.
they had already given him an order to descend. what they had no way of knowing, because planes right now, why they can be capable of doing it if they subscribe to the airlines subscribe to the service, while they can be capable of streaming data to the ground, they do not do that. of course the flight data recorder is not downloaded unless there's a crash. while he was practicing, since he was supposed to be descending and he did it gradual enough the pilot apparently didn't notice either because there's no discussion when he returns to the cockpit about, hey, what were you doing? he was free to practice and undetected. >> and daniel, to you as a pilot, when you're the pilot and you're returning to the cockpit, would there be anything tangible on the screens to indicate that the co-pilot had punched in 100 feet multiple times or no trace? >> not multiple times. best you could hope for is that he left the 100 foot in the little window when he did it the
last time and forgot to put it back to the altitude that he wanted to. really nothing. >> that's it. >> right. >> if you plug that in for a descent to 100 feet what would he be -- how would the plane respond? let me just stay with you, daniel. how would the plane respond if he had gotten the command from the ground to start the descent? i suppose then if you place 100 feet many for altitude would it begin to descend as well? would anyone feel that? >> no -- well it depends on the exact mode. generally what it would be is a two-step process. if you put in the 100 feet you still have to hit another to say activate i want you to go to 100 feet. the prior altitude put in there was much higher probably 34,000 something like that. so the airplane was still flying to that altitude. but you had to turn it to 100 feet then press another button say, i changed my mind i want to go to 100 feet for it to actually start going down. >> okay. then for the doomed flight the
air traffic control tried to reach the cockpit 11 times. we know that military got involved tried to contact them three times. why would that will have happened? what role would these agencies have played there? >> well they're responsible for separating traffic. they need to know where it is. of course on their radar screens, they see the pilot and the plane are not responding. they would have seen on the radar tracings that its altitude its flight level was decreasing. they have a job to do too. they have to keep planes apart from each other. here was this aircraft doing something that they had not commanded it to do. the report the bea report today, is very chilling in that it further clarify what is we already heard about the pilot doggedly going ahead with his plan. they could hear the breathing, but they also indicate that there wasn't a lot of -- you know, there wasn't a lot of anything else. he used the side stick controller a couple times. there's a lot of debate over what the report means about the door lockout mechanism.
but it was a very driven calculated move. >> and apparently it was the same crew i think, that was on the previous flight in that doomed flight. final question to you with your legal hat on. would any of this new information change the case at all? >> not significantly. i think two things you take away one is it emphasizes you need two people in a cockpit at all times. two, this was not a one-off. it wasn't he showed up for work and said i'm having a bad day, i'm going to drop this plane. there's a whole history here. lufthansa and lufthansa flight training even here in the u.s. not only knew about it but made deliberate efforts to work around this known problem. i think that's going to be a problem down the road. they owned it. >> yeah. daniel, thank you so much. mary, my thanks to you as well. coming up next two of the six officers charged in baltimore now saying freddie gray's knife was, indeed illegal. that could change this entire
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and the community. and recent events continue to demonstrate the need to press forward with these reforms. we have to get it right. failure is not an option. >> also today, two of the officers charged in freddie gray's death are making news. their defense attorneys are challenging the state prosecutor's -- city prosecutor's claim that gray was illegally arrested. officer edward nero and officer garrett miller both of whom face charges of assault, misconduct and false imprisonment want to inspect that knife as part of their client's defenses. they claim gray's knife did indeed violate baltimore city code and was justified, that arrest was justified. joining me from baltimore, i have michael faith, a sporting goods marketing executive familiar with maryland state laws as it pertains to knives. and defense attorney and former baltimore county prosecutor andy
alperstein. gentlemen, welcome to both of you. >> thanks for having us. >> michael, let's talk knives first. we don't know exactly what kind of knife freddie gray had apparently inside of his waistband. but what do we know about that knife? >> well i can tell you what's legal in maryland and what's not legal in maryland. i have a couple examples here i'd like to show you. first of all, one of the most popular knives out there is called a fixed-blade knife. this is probably a four-inch blade. this is perfectly legal in maryland to have and to carry. we have folding knives, which are very popular. this is a folding knife here. you have to manually open this knife with your thumb. there's no spring assist. you can see it doesn't come up any faster than i move my thumb, and it knocks into place. that's a legal knife in maryland. this is my own personal pocket knife i carry every day. again, perfectly legal. there's no spring in it. i have to open that with my thumb. it only opens as quickly as i can open my knife. where we come into a gray area
is a spring-assisted knife. again, when you look at maryland's law, this is a legal knife in maryland. there's a spring mechanism inside that when i barly push it it comes the rest of the way open. that's not a switchblade or automatic knife. i don't have to touch the blade to open it. if there were a button here that would be considered an automatic knife and would be banned in maryland. this is a spring-assisted knife. you have to touch the blade to get it open. >> here's the deal. everything that i've read today is that there are certain kind of knives that are legal or illegal in the state of maryland. marilyn mosby, the state's attorney who said friday it was legal, his knife, in the state of maryland. then you have the police officers who say it was illegal under baltimore city code. there is a difference is there not? >> that is correct.
and andy could probably speak better to that. >> andy hop in. >> maryland has a statewide law, the law in all of maryland that says it's illegal to have a switchblade. each jurisdiction baltimore city being one of them can pass its own laws. it says it's not only illegal to have a switchblade, but it's also illegal to have a switch spring-assisted knife. the issue in the gray case is the police that arrested gray officer nero and officer miller they arrested gray and they charge him with the city code violation that says that he had a spring assisted knife. that's in the charging papers and ultimately led to a charge being issued by the district court. that's what they charged gray with. ms. mosby gives the charging explanation on friday and the charging documents say this was not a violation of maryland law
because it was not a switchblade knife. >> is it possible they both could be correct? >> well i mean ultimately the issue is going to be one, is the knife a spring-assisted knife or a switchblade knife? that's why motions were filed to inspect the evidence this week. and number two, even if it were that this knife was legal, if the officers had a good-faith basis to believe that the knife was legal, then again, how do you charge a police officer when they did that? the next layer is the back-up officer. one of them saw the knife. the other one arrested gray because the first guy said get him, or whatever their code is. and what's he supposed to do? stop and say, i need to inspect the evidence before i effectuate the arrest? that would lead to a preposterous result. >> i'm curious, what are baltimore city police officers telling you about all this now? >> well i know a lot of police
officers in baltimore city because i practice criminal defense and our firm represents police officers sometimes. and i have friends that are police officers. it's not, you know, blue fever. we don't want to go to court or do our job. what it is the police are afraid. a lot of them are afraid. in cases every day in this country, police are challenged for constitutional defects if their charging. is it a bad search is it a bad arrest is it a bad statement? we hear about this stuff all the time. the consequences typically for that kind of failure by the government are exclusion of the evidence. that's the law in this whole country. and sometimes it leads to the state being not able to prove its case. now, in this case the prosecutor's gone further, much further. what she said is if you violate the law by arresting these people falsely, then we're going to charge you with assault for touching them false imprisonment for imprisoning therchs them and in this case they're also charged with misconduct in office which is an extension of the same acts. so this is very troubling. the police are worried about it.
i'm not saying widespread police aren't arresting people but i'm having police tell me, hey i'm hesitating. it has a chilling effect on the police and their job. >> i've heard that on other cases we've covered nationally. the chilling effect. i'm hearing it from you as well. final question to you, andy. just on a different tangent of this whole story. marilyn mosby is also taking a quit over how quick this investigation was done that it wasn't entirely finished and those mistakes in the report like the names and addresses of the officers charged in the report. what do you think of that? >> i know the lawyers were contacted by the prosecutor's office. they all had lawyers before the charges were issued. this was an ongoing investigation. they had an order passed where their addresses were to be shielded.
they put the -- the court, or the state, still released some of the officers' addresses some of the addresses were people of similar names, but they had the wrong people's addresses. this could be a real safety issue for those people. i think that happened in two of the cases. then i'm looking at this charging paper, like i said earlier, and they're addressing city -- they're not addressing the city code provision when they're talking about these two arresting officers. they're talking about the state law provision. so you sure wonder whether or not there was some time this state's attorney's office sat on this. i will say this. i expected an indictment would happen before this preliminary hearing date scheduled later in the month. and the state does have an opportunity to clean up the charges if they want. i'm sure they're going to present these felony charges to the grand jury before then. that's the normal course of cases like this. when it happens, it may be a chance for them to clean things up. now, look they do arrest people all the time for homicides.
they don't wait for an indictment initially all the time. but in an ongoing investigation you think the state's attorney's office would work on this for a long time. >> we'll wait to see what happens with the grand jury and potential indictments. andy thank you so much. and michael, appreciate it. >> of course. just ahead, prince anyone? yeah this guy. prince the singer putting on a concert this weekend for baltimore. hear who else may be attending and why he wants to be there. sflchblts plus one of the suspects in the texas terror attack was in contact with a social media expert for the terror group isis. that man is now speaking out. hear what he says in chilling threats next.
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in a hail of gunfire. really the question is this. did foreign jihadis have a hand in the attack or did they merely inspire it? an official says the truth is likely somewhere in between. this is clear, though. simpson did indeed have links to extremists on twitter including isis militants. one of them a british isis recruit believed to be in syria, was convicted in 2012 for stealing tony blair's address book and posting it online. he also is implicated in the cyber caliphate hacking group's brief january takeover of the u.s. central command twitter account. joining me now, rita katz. welcome. >> thank you. >> reading your article, you point something out that i think is significant, not only with simpson following these militants on twitter, but that they were following him in return. you point that out. why do you think that's significant? how strong do you think their affiliations were?
>> this is very important because the fact that we have very prominent isis fighters who fight with isis in isis territory indicate that simpson was placed in an important location within their network. look for somebody like him, who has thousands of followers, he cannot follow everyone else. being able to follow somebody on twitter means that you will be also in communication with him and the fact that elton simpson and husain followed each other allows them to communicate through direct messages which are private messages that no one else can see. >> so there's that.
we talk about hussein. we've been talking about these affiliations with isis. there are also connections cited between simpson and al shabaab's hasan, believed to be fighting in somalia. do we know about their communications online? >> right. we know for sure that elton simpson communicated through direct messages secret communications with the user who is a former -- used to live in america, former minnesota citizen, who moved to fight with shabaab in somalia. we all know elton simpson himself tried to join the fight with shabaab. the interesting point here is that both fighters, the guy in somalia, the guy in iraq followed elton simpson. not only these individuals but also other isis fighters which
really showed that elton simpson was a trustworthy brother within the community of isis fighters and supporters online. so when on the 25th the most important point here -- two points i would like really very much to talk about is that i have no doubt that the minnesota individual was one of the people that inspired elton simpson. on april 23rd the somali guy from the u.s. posted a tweet in which he called for "charlie hebdo" style attacks in the united states. he specifically said i'm calling on one of my brothers in the united states to go and execute the attack. now, not only that elton simpson actually saw that tweet, he actually retweeted it also which clearly indicate that he read the message and he was
thinking about it. he was thinking about it because a few days later he asked him to go on private communication. he tweeted to him and said let's move to private communication. for me it's an indication that because we know now that elton simpson was the individual that carried -- one of the two that carried the shooting most likely they decided to go behind the scene to prevent any kind of security -- >> understand. it is incredible just all of these details from you about twitter and what can be communicated and the terror that can be sought in 140 characters or less whether it's publicly tweeting retweeting or direct message. rita katz thank you so much. >> thank you. next as baltimore recovers from the riots that took the city last week we're learning that prince is scheduling a concert for baltimore. why is he taking on this issue this week there? we'll discuss that.
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peace concert in downtown baltimore this sunday mother's day. he'll debut a brand new song he wrote about the arrest of freddie gray. he's already released artwork for the song entitled "baltimore." joining me now, hln's entertainment and pop culture editor. good to see you, my friend. so prince this is a huge deal for the city of baltimore, but what do you know about the song that he's written? tell me everything you know. >> yes, so this sunday he'll be performing rally for peace. tickets go on sale tonight at live nation at 5:00 p.m. we know he's released a song called baltimore where some lyrics are "enough is enough," "let's put the guns down," enough "freddie grays." unclear who will be joining him besides his backing band. we do know there will be multiple artists that will join him on sunday. that will be announced later. >> he's asking people to come dressed a certain way.
>> he wanted everyone to wear gray in honor of freddie gray. that's all we really do know. he recorded the song just last week in minnesota. >> has anyone heard it? >> nobody has actually heard the song. we've only seen lyrics. again, prince has spoken out multiple times on this black lives matter movement. he said like albums and books, black lives still matter. he's one of the few muskical artists that's really put himself on the line to deal with controversial issues like this one. >> he seems to private. but you're saying there have been certain songs he's written. >> yes, so prince -- in 2004 he released a video for "cinnamon girl" where he showed a young woman under the pressures of islamophobia. then he released "sign of the times," talking about drugs.
he doesn't really skirt around the issues. we haven't seen this before really. >> okay. we did a little bit in ferguson. at least this is sort of a first for the city of baltimore. thank you so much i appreciate it. coming up next, we will speak with rapper killer mike who often includes civil rights themes and politics in his lyrics. he gets incredibly candid with me about the relationship between the police and the community. plus an active police officer will be joining me talking about the videos he's been sharing of himself working with those in his community. whether it takes 200,000 parts ♪ ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. whether it's building the world's most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. at boeing, one thing never changes.
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you know the story in baltimore. criminal charges were brought against those six police officers involved in the arrest and death of freddie gray. those charges were brought friday. since then we've spent a lot of time talking about the role of police officers in their communities. not just in baltimore but
nationwide. i'm from atlanta, born and raised. i spoke with a rapper and friend of mine who's very active in communities there, minority communities. his name is killer mike because he likes to kill a microphone. he often includes civil rights themes and politics in a lot of his lyrics. he's incredibly outspoken about the relationship between police officers and the people they police. his own father was a cop for a number of years. here he is. >> if the only contact you have with black issues comes via cnn or one of the other news cham channels your life's too insulated. when i speak at universities like m.i.t. i encourage those people to leave campus find a school and mentor a child that does not look like them a child that's not of their color, in the of their class, not of their religion so they can learn first hand these experiences. i don't want black death to just be a television spectacle. i want the white viewers on the other side of this television right now to get involved like a policeman in north little rock.
he doesn't know i follow him. he doesn't know i know him. his name is tomnymy norman. this man is out in his patrol car every single day. he's taking pictures with other people's families that are black, with white kids in the community. he's in the community. north little rock is no square dance. it's no easy place to police. he puts pictures of him and his own children up. there's nothing more accountable than doing that. i would encourage more people to look at what this officer is doing in particular because he's doing something right. >> he's doing something right. let's talk about something. officer tommy norman has been a patrol officer in little rock since 1998. he's locally famous. he posts a number of videos and photos every day while he's out and about on patrol. 4200 posts and counting.
like this. >> the hamilton boys and girls club. here we go. hey, everybody. all right. we got officer deasia. she's the newest member of the little rock police department. what's up? come here. i got a surprise for you. >> my heart. officer tommy norman joins me now from little rock. it is an honor and pleasure sir, to have you on. >> thank you so much for having me. >> did you have any idea that killer mike was following you daily instagram and using you as an example of, you know what community policing should be? >> no, ma'am. and when i heard the news about killer mike i was honored. we were honored here at the police department. it was a big surprise. >> well i've looked at your instagram page a bunch. i was texting with mike about
this over the weekend. he's like you've got to talk to this guy. i said you're right. i've looked at the photos. i've looked at your videos. why do you do that? why do you share these images? why is this so important to you? >> i want to start by saying the north little rock police department is led by chief mike davis, a man of high integrity. he sets the bar high for his officers. he expects nothing less for us to go out to the community and make a difference. i'm honored to do my part in making a difference in the community of north little rock. >> you're making a difference, but you take it a step further. you're recording it and showing people. it's obvious how these young people respond to you. >> well i want to inspire people not just other police officers or people in the community. it's a partnership between the police and the community. we have to work together to make our community a safer place, a more peaceful place to live. i took it to the social networking site facebook instagram, and twitter, to inspire other people to go out a and make a difference in their corner of the world. >> officer norman i don't have to tell you this.
you know being an officer is a tough job. you highlight a lot of the positive. i want you to tell me a story. take me back to 2001 and the murder suspect who turned himself into you. >> it was a murder suspect from little rock which is a city across the river from north little rock. he called the police station and asked to speak with me. i went to a service station, got out. he was there waiting on me. come to find out, little rock police department had been looking for him actively because he murdered a man with a two by four. they came and picked him up. before they drove off with him, i walked over to back of the patrol car and asked him why did you want to seek me to turn yourself in? he said he had heard on the street that he could turn himself in peacefully and with dignity. so that goes to show how police officers police the community day in and day out could pay off in more ways than one. >> that's incredible. i know you really truly seem to serve as this personification of who officers should aspire to as
far as having dignity and respect. i know you're following these cases out of ferguson and new york and north charleston and baltimore. not all members of the law enforcement are viewed as positively as you are. >> we're not. i can only speak for the north little rock police department but we go into the neighborhoods. we go in with our arms open. can a police officer be kind? can a police officer show compassion? can a police officer love the community? yes, they can. and that's what we do on a daily basis. >> final question to you. i was just talking to a prosecutor earlier in the hour. his fear he's hearing from officers in baltimore city in the wake of all these stories, there are some officers may beginning to hesitate. is that something you worry about? >> not in north little rock. as i said our reputation precedes us. we're graffedvitated to different pockets of the city. every day we go out and make a
difference. we have school resource officers that focus on the young kids. we're more than a police officer. it goes beyond the back. it goes beyond the uniform. we're friends. you have to be friends with people in the community. you have to know them on a first-name basis and know their life know what's going on with them and know you can count on them and they can count on you as well. >> officer tommy norman, thank you for your service. and if you want to follow him, like killer mike, he's on instagram. officer, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. it's been an honor. next more on our breaking news. the co-pilot who deliberately took down that germanwings plane into the french alps did a practice run that very same day. new details emerging. that's next. while others go in circles... ...and repeat themselves... ...we choose to carve our own path in the pursuit of exhilaration. the 306 horse power lexus gs.
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