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n talked to people brooke who were driving down the road and didn't have time to go anywhere. so they rode out the tornado in their car. their kids in the backseat. you can see these cars just in shambles. looks like they've gotten in a car accident with a two by four stuck through the windshield. you can only imagine the terror these families must have been going through during the time of this tornado. we've talked to people who were missing animals, and they're being reunited as we saw last hour. during all this devastation, of course we always look for those little glimmers of hope. we've seen that here in van. of course it's going to be a long long time before they're able to get back on their feet. as you mentioned, some of the schools were heavily damaged. we know they're going to consolidate two of the schools for the last couple weeks of school so they can make it through until summer begins. but it has been a rough 24 hours for the people here in van. they say they're resilient, they're going to rebuild, and i believe that because this looks like a very strong community.
the people here really coming together brooke. >> our thoughts with the people of van and all these areas hardest hit. jennifer gray thank you so much. you see these homes, people have lost so much. then others just happened to be passing through, including the next guest i'm about to bring in. amy johnson was driving, happened to be driving from georgia to dallas when this awful weather hit. amy, you're a recent university of georgia grad. you're heading to dallas. then tell me what you saw, what you heard. >> so we were coming about ten minutes ahead of van. we were driving through. the weather was just getting too bad that we knew we had to pull over. lightning was striking from what i could tell, just basically on the road. it was too hectic. i was with my boyfriend. we pulled over and took shelter in the first place we could find. that happened to be a hardee's. we weren't alone.
there was about 50 other people sitting in the restaurant. the power had gone out. our phones were dying. we were trying to check the radar. no one really knew what exactly was going on. but the hardee's employees were giving out blankets and food. and they wererying to keep everyone calm. a little after we got there, we heard the next round of sirens and they had rushed us into two freezers freezers about 30 people each which was shocking. but we felt safe. everyone was crammed in there. there were children with blankets around them. there were adults hyperventilating. people were having their children try to sing songs just to calm them down. "twinkle twinkle little star." >> so hold on. you're in a freezer trying to stay safe from a tornado. you have kids in the freezer,
and you all pause to sing "twinkle twinkle little star" just to make sure these kids knew they were okay? >> yeah we were doing everything we could to keep everyone calm. and by the end, we smelled like onions. >> that is the least of your worries, i'm thinking just based upon some of these pictures we're seeing. so are you out of town? are you safe everything okay? >> yeah we made it out by 11:00 last night. we drove down i-20 and just escaped the storms as best we could. we found a gap in the storm system so we made it back to dallas last night. i've never been so thankful to get to dallas. >> i am glad you're a-okay. you and your man and hopefully 48 other people in that freezer and those kids as well. that's just beautiful what you all did. amy johnson, thank you so much
for hopping on the phone with me. >> thank you, brooke. let's move on to our other breaking story at the moment. this is out of florida. george zimmerman has been shot in what police say is likely a road rage incident. just two years after the 31-year-old was acquitted in the shooting death of unarmed teenager trayvon martin zimmerman is reportedly suffering a minor gunshot wound. so let's talk about this with a man who witnessed the aftermath of the shooting. kenneth cornel is on the phone with me. also cnn's martin savidge onset in new york. i have joey jackson, criminal defense attorney and hln legal analyst. and sunny hostin, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. welcome to all of you. martin let me begin with you. tell me what you know. >> well this is coming to us from the lake mary police department. it was about 12:45 it was reported this afternoon when george zimmerman and another man were apparently involved in some sort of altercation. now, the police chief there is insinuating this had been an ongoing dispute.
in other words, these two men had words and some kind of exchange in the past. i think one of the witnesses you're going to talk to there was word that a gun was waved by the other man. apparently -- or apparently george zimmerman was waving the gun. george zimmerman was allegedly waving a gun in traffic, and it was at that point the other man fired. now, the bullet went through the windshield of zimmerman's vehicle, we are being told. however, zimmerman was not hit directly by the bullet. he was hit by glass and perhaps other debris inside the vehicle. minor injury. in fact we're being told now he's been treated at the hospital and has been released. so that's what we know. a potentially very serious altercation here. of course when you hear the phrase "i shot george zimmerman" as allegedly was said you can imagine it brings back all sorts of memories. brooke? >> martin stay with me. i want to bring in this eyewitness. he's kenneth cornell. from what i understand you were heading into work. someone's running up to you and
shouting call 911, i just shot george zimmerman. can you take it from there? >> yes, ma'am. i was getting out of the car after lunch, and a car came pulling up. he said, please call 911, please call 911, i just shot george zimmerman. i said don't you have a phone? he said, i don't have a phone, but please call 911, i just shot george zimmerman. i kind of questioned him a couple times because it was a pretty unusual statement. and he said please no i shot george zimmerman, will you call 911. so i called 911. i got on the phone with them and they transferred me twice to another person. i said this guy here says he just shot george zimmerman, will you please bring police. she said, you know what's the license plate, so i gave it to them. he said they know who i am. i've been involved. this is the third incident we've had. it's been an ongoing dispute.
and we just -- i just shot him. >> okay. so you witnessed the aftermath. you weren't there for the shooting but you have this man telling you that they had some kind of, i don't know beef but an ongoing issue. so who had the gun? it sounds like this man shot george zimmerman. who was armed here? >> they both -- it sounded like they were both armed to me. matt said he saw a gun waved at him, and when the gun got waved, he then returned fire or shot at him. so it sounded as if he saw a gun by george. >> so according to this person that said to you call 911, george zimmerman initially had the gun, waved the gun. by the way, this is all happening -- so i'm hearing road rage incident. are they both in their own cars? >> yes, they were driving down lake mary boulevard. >> driving down the boulevard. this man says george zimmerman waved his gun. he then had a gun himself.
so he shot toward george zimmerman. did he describe what the scene looked like afterwards? did he describe any sort of injuries involving either? did george zimmerman shoot back? >> no not at all. he didn't say any of that. he just said he shot him, and that was basically it. >> okay. i want you to stay on the phone with me. my lawyer friends may have questions to you. so you're listening to all of this. this is just recently happened. we need to flesh all of this out. but i said this before. you know he was acquitted of second-degree murder just a couple years ago, which was a huge huge case in and of itself. he's no stranger to controversy. >> i think what's important to note is that he is now no stranger to violence and being arrested. i think, bear with me but i've been doing some research since this broke. in september '13, he's arrested for domestic violence not only guest his now ex-wife but her
father his father-in-law. a couple months later, he's arrested for aggravated assault with a bottle against his girlfriend and pointing a gun at her. then we've got in september of 2014 a road rage incident in which he's threatening a man. he's saying he's going to kill him and waving a gun. then we've got in january of this year '15, he's arrested for aggravated assault, again against a different girlfriend. now we have this incident. so i think it bears, you know, pointing out that this is a man who has claimed to be the victim over and over and over again, claimed that trayvon martin was the aggressor, but he's a man now, by my count, five times being the aggressor in five different incidents. so what does that say about his character? had we gone back and this were the sort of scenario when trayvon martin was killed we would have had, i think, a very different perception of who this man seems to really be. >> sure. a couple things to point out.
that's absolutely right. that's consistent with what i understand. >> are you going to speak like a defense attorney now? >> what they're going to say is look those are things that were accusations. ultimately he was not found to have any culpability. so it shouldn't bear -- >> for any of them? >> for any of them. >> to be fair the domestic violence arrests, nothing took place, because his girlfriend always recanted. >> but that's significant because it goes to credibility. if you don't have a witness who will step up and step forward, it becomes a problem. the defense will point out with great haste those things didn't stick and therefore they should not be held against him. however, on the facts here, some things i find very compelling. the first thing, generally you have a shooting something happens, a person right, and prosecutors, what they do is use it as consciousness of guilt when a person is fleeing. someone will shoot. they're not looking to call 911. they're look oging to get away. the fact the person who allegedly shot at him is looking for aid is very good for his
credibility. it would suggest or be otherwise suggestive that he felt it was justified under the circumstances. the second thing to point out is it goes to the issue of state of mind. state of mind why did he think that he needed to pull the weapon to discharge it and otherwise to fire it? and it goes to the fact that if a gun is being flailed at you, waved at you, pointed at you, it would seemingly be a natural human reaction to pull yours, that you're in fear for your life. >> especially which is why i point out this history we're seeing is over and over and over again of aggressive violence towards women, towards family members, towards friends. because apparently he knew this gentleman. what does that say about the man who is or has become george zimmerman? >> and what they'll say is don't hold these past instances against me but if there's some past history of dispute between him and the individual he was engaged in this dispute here, that's certainly relevant because this person hey, if you
were after me before again and again and again, maybe you're after me now. and maybe you're going to use your weapon so i need to use mine to neutralize you. >> joey jackson, thank you. sunny hostin i appreciate it. and kenneth, thank you so much forsavidge, i appreciate you as well. next the first court appearance for two men accused of killing those two mississippi police officers. right now the families of these fallen officers are speaking about who these men were. their emotional stories coming up. also the nun featured in the movie "dead man walking" takes a stand in the case of the boston marathon bomber. she met with dzhokhar tsarnaev multiple times in private. hear what he shared with her, what she sees as feeling remorseful. and is the leader of isis still in charge here? cnn has new reporting about the condition of the leader al baghdadi. you're watching cnn. i'll be right back.
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to boston where a star witness may be the deciding factor in whether dzhokhar tsarnaev lives or dies. sister helen prejean, the catholic nun and death penalty opponent, made famous by the film "dead man walking" took to the stand a couple hours ago, making a statement she is absolutely certain tsarnaev is sincerely remorseful. sister helen went on to talk about her five meetings with tsarnaev behind bars and how she was shocked at how young he looked when they first met. although, she was barred from talking about her views on the death penalty in court, her views are widely known. she talked last year to cnn's erin burnett along with actress susan sarandon who played her in "dead man walking." >> i have witnessed such courage of human beings walking to their deaths and that's the heart of what it means to be human, is dignity. and everybody's worth more than the worst thing they've ever done.
some were actually very guilty of a terrible murder. >> closing arguments begin wednesday in boston. then this case goes to the jury. let me bring in northeastern university law professor and author of "prosecution complex: america's race to convict and its impact." daniel welcome. >> thanks brooke. >> my first question is this. from a defense strategy perspective, the notion of having this convicted terrorist, this convicted killer talking to a nun. >> it's a wonderful thing when you think about it. what a stroke of genius brooke from the perspective of the defense to try to introduce testimony from a catholic nun who's the country's foremost advocate against the death penalty in a death penalty trial in a town with a sizable catholic population. pure brilliance from the perspective of the defense. >> in her brief time on the
stand, and i mentioned this a moment ago, in conversations with dzhokhar tsarnaev, she believes he is heremorseful. i covered this story in boston. i can only imagine what some people i know -- i'm not quite sure they would buy the remorse. >>ening i think you're right. his affect on the stand has been less than noble. he's not fared very well in the court of public opinion and to casual observers. the multimillion-dollar question all along, is he remorseful? it's a little late for the defense to be asserting he was remorseful. of course he couldn't testify because that would subject him to a withering cross examination. i guess sister helen prejean is the best the defense could do. >> and daniel explain to me -- take me inside the deliberation room because i know to send someone to death, it has to be unanimous, right. so what do they go through? what checks and balances do they need to discuss to ultimately
decide his fate? >> each case is so idiosyncratic. we really don't know what the jury is going to do. they could take a straw poll at the outset to see where they stand, or they could have a free-flowing discussion for many hours and then take a vote. so we really don't know. but you're exactly right. all it takes here is one juror to hold out and tsarnaev gets life without the possibility of parole. at this point, it's virtually impossible to read the tea leaves. >> so it's life or death for him. let me ask you something else. before the closing, i know the prosecution called these two witnesses to talk about this super max prison. i've talked to folks who, you know describe it as a living hell. he'll literally be underground with barely any light ever in his lifetime. why would you -- why that strategy? why have somebody testify about that existence? >> well the defense here is arguing a couple different things. one of its major arguments for those jurors who might be
inclined to impose death is that life is worse. a life sentence in the hell hole that is florence colorado is a more fitting and just punishment than the possibility of execution and the near certainty he'll become a martyr. so it ties into this argument that the defense has been advancing life is more appropriate here. >> daniel medwed thank you so much. >> thank you so much brooke. coming up next the chief of isis in iraq, reports ss he was wounded in a strike. a lot of people wondering who would take charge if baghdadi is not the one making those decisions. brand new information just into cnn. stand by for that.
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he's abu bakr al baghdadi. the daily beast among those reporting the terror leader has been wounded in march bombing raid in fact partially paralyzed and unable to walk. he's apparently still running operations. according to these reports isis is now looking for a stand-in leader. this claim coinciding with four senior isis leaders being added to the u.s. state department wanted list with bounties up to $7 million on their heads. meantime, the u.s. says it has no information whatsoever bag baghdadi has been injured. martin welcome. >> good to be with you. >> cnn cannot independently confirm what you've been reporting, but you have these sources who say he absolutely was injured. can you be specific? how was he wounded?
>> we were told by a very senior member of isis who i've been having regular conversations with over the last three years, that abu bakr alba baghdadi was immobilized. he was still functioning, still talking, still communicating, but he's been bedridden ever since. he's not been able to move. and there is a very real fear that he has enduring spinal damage. >> but he is conscious, yes? >> he's conscious. he's functioning. he's able to communicate with his subordinates. he's convening meetings. as far as we can tell he's not in direct day-to-day control of the organization. >> that's my follow-up. if he's giving some guidance who is the leader at the moment? >> we're hearing -- and this is not from the primary source, but it's from people within mosul, exiled people from mosul and in
erbil and government officials that he's stepped in in a fill-in role. he's one of the people that's been put on the list with the $7 million bounty on his head. that happened last wednesday. we also learned today from inside mosul that a sermon was given at the grand mosque in mosul last friday. that was the very same mosque that al baghdadi made his only appearance last june when he claimed the mantle of caliph. >> if he's one of these four leaders with this bounty on his head i'm also wondering if he's filling in would he be the person -- is he's who's being groomed? >> it's difficult to know. i suspect that the answer is probably not. the reason is that baghdadi had a direct lineage back to the prophet muhammad. he also had a senior education
in islamic studies. both of those things were essential in him claiming the mantle of caliph. he's known to be a strategist and he's known to have the confidence of the organization. my read on that is he's an ideal deputy that can fill in for a while, but he couldn't take the baton if it were passed to him. >> again, the other side of this martin that the united states is telling cnn recent intelligence indicates baghdadi is still running isis. let me take it a step further. the u.s. has had no information baghdadi was at a strike in march. the u.s. quote, has no reason to believe al baghdadi has been injured in a coalition air strike. how do you respond to that? >> we're very confident in sourcing. the sourcing was as close to impeccable as you could possibly have. this is someone in the upper
echelons of the isis organization someone who gave very precise details, some of which i can't disclose because i don't want to give up his identity. but the sourcing was accurate as far as we're concerned, and we certainly wouldn't have published this had we any doubts. >> final question the fact the u.s. put the bounty on the heads of these four isis leaders, knowing if your source is absolutely correct that abu bakr al baghdadi is injured? >> he's transformed it into a group of gangsters who have done quite well into something which really does threaten the unitary borders of the modern middle east. taking him out would, i guess, remove the mantle of the potency
from him. it would show he's vulnerable and so too, is the organization. the u.s. air strikes have taken out 18 of the top-line 43 isis leaders. if they were able to claim baghdadi that would be a significant moral victory for them. >> martin chulov in london from "the guardian," thank you so much. and do not miss "blind sided," how isis shook the world, deep inside the terror machine. fareed zakaria reports tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific here on cnn. coming up jeb bush answering a lot of questions lately about his brother former president george w. bush. what jeb bush said about the u.s. invasion of iraq and whether he would have backed it. plus the first lady really incredibly candid here at in the commencement ceremony. her views on the role race and discrimination played for her during that first campaign and the first couple of years in the white house.
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surprising comments from potential republican presidential hopeful jeb bush. he's reportedly told an interviewer if he had the same information his brother had back in 2003 that yes, he would have made the same decision to invade iraq. let me go to my colleague jake tapper host of "the lead." we were just talking about jeb bush making a difference reference to george w. bush last week. now we have this. it seems like he tried to finesse the iraq war issue, but now no more. >> well i mean his answer is an honest answer. he also said that keep in mind that's what hillary clinton did. remember if you go back and
look at the war resolution it was 77-23, 29 democratic senators including joe biden, hillary clinton, voted for war in iraq. i think a better question might be and i'm hoping jeb bush isn't watching because some day i'm going to interview him and i'll ask this question -- >> which would be what? >> not how would you have voted back then because the vast majority of washington, d.c. was caught up in the drum beat of war. the question is, what lessons can we learn from what went wrong in that war, whether it's the intelligence or the planning after the war, what do we now know as a country, what do leaders know because of the mistakes made during that time? that's the question worth asking not only to jeb bush but to hillary clinton and if joe biden throws his hat into the ring him as well. >> what about -- so that's on the to-do list, hopefully, in interviewing jeb bush. but the list of people you will be interviewing as far as
tomorrow chris christie. >> well maybe i should ask him the same question. but yes, i will be going up to new hampshire where chris christie is trying to bring back to life his hopes to be president. he's not yet declared that he will be a candidate. but he's trying to do something like what john mccain did in 2008 after he was written off for dead. go to new hampshire, do a million town hall meetings make the voters of new hampshire, the republicans and independents there, convinced that you are candid you have leadership that the others don't, and bring it back to life. and he is attempting to do that obviously slightly different circumstances than senator john mccain, but the same basic template. >> all right. tapper, we'll look for it and see you at the top of the hour my friend. thank you very much. next the first lady opening up about race. michelle obama telling tuskegee university graduates that she was held to a different standard during the first presidential election.
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first lady michelle obama says no doubt she has been held to a different standard as the first african-american first lady while speaking to graduates at the historically black tuskegee university in alabama. the first lady talked candidly about her struggles and insecurities during her husband's first campaign to become president of the united states. she referenced this controversial july 2008 cover of "the new yorker." it depicted her with a huge afro and a machine gun. she says her words, it knocked her back a bit and made her wonder how people were perceiving her. the first lady also brought up this fist bump during one of her husband's primary wins. critics called it a terrorist fist jab. so she talked to these graduates and told them that ultimately she had to learn how to block out that noise and be true to
herself. >> back in those days i had a lot of sleepless nights worrying about what people thought of me wondering if i might be hurting my husband's chances of winning his election fearing how my girls would feel if they found out what some people were saying about their mom. but eventually i realized that if i wanted to keep my sanity and not let others define me there was only one thing i could do and that was to have faith in god's plan for me. i had to ignore all of the noise and be true to myself and the rest would work itself out. >> i have cultural critic and writer mckayla angela davis next to me. good to see you. >> good to see you, brooke. >> is this the most candid we have seen michelle obama on
race? >> i feel so. and thank you for showing that clip. because i think there's something in there universally that we can all hear. >> every single one of us. >> just be yourself because people will come at you, particularly if you have any position on anything. also thank you for cutting to seeing all those black scholars. >> phenomenal university. >> one of the things she spoke to was the rest of the world doesn't see you in caps and gowns. they see you in this other way. but i think that because she's been more in this position and there are no more elections to win, she's getting more and more candid along with her husband, but also she was talking to the young black future. so i think in terms of how she gets more open it really depends on the audience. also, when she was on "black girls rock," she was very open because she was talking to young black girls. i think, yes, they're getting more open but also they're talking to their people and their community. so any group of people tend to be maybe more truthful.
and young people know when you're trying to -- >> they'll call you out on it. >> yes. >> they will. >> real recognize real. >> they will. >> so i think all of that played into this very layered speech that she gave. >> you know what i wonder, and we don't have the answer to this but as she's grown and sort of weathered all these years in a wonderful way and not ugly as she alluded to to have these daughters also growing up there, becoming women at the white house, don't you want like a window -- we talk so much about parents talking to the young people. what would she be telling these girls? >> you know they seem so poised and kind of regular at the same time as regular as you can be. >> living at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> that's right. but one of the most profound things michelle obama ever said is she owned her own happiness. >> what does that mean? >> that's independent of her husband. that's independent of the media. that's independent of anyone outside of herself.
i think that clip spoke to that again, to be true to yourself and not to say that it's going to be all polyanna and people aren't going to come for you and people aren't going to have assumptions about you. she spoke to the very complex assumption that black kids are either invisible or targets. you're either ignored for a job because of your name. you know that recent study came out. or you're looked at as a threat. that's a very complicated arena to be in. either you're invisible -- she talked about invisibility a lot, which is very profound. but also this idea that a cab might go by you, or you're going to get stopped on your own. >> but the fact she has been so candid at tuskegee over the weekend, because she wasn't always that way. there was the book "the obamas" that came out about the first family. she said at the time she was tired of people trying to paint her as quote/unquote an angry black woman. >> well, you know that's something we're used to. we see that through the housewife franchise. i spoke this last week about
what clip we played over and over again of what women in baltimore. or what we see in mcdonald's. this idea of angry black woman is something that i think the collective imagination is used to. so they were trying to figure her out. no one expected a michelle obama. they weren't prepared. so they looked to their old constructs. she just started breaking them down. so now we have this new standard that she's helped create for everyone that claire huxtable was not a caricature. you can be a michelle obama. >> i'm with you on the shot of the fine young people in the caps and gowns as bell. thank you very much. >> thank you. next north korea releasing this photo of kim jong-un standing on a ship as a missile is allegedly fired, you'll see it here from a submarine. how real is that threat from north korea? plus breaking news involved aaron hernandez. the former nfl star just
breaking now convicted murderer and ex-nfl star around hernandez is facing new charges in connection with another shooting he will soon stand trial for. sunni candiotti, in massachusetts for a long long time covering the initial trial and the double homicide what's upcoming. what is this witness intimidation? >> reporter: you know a key witness who will is expected to testify at this upcoming double murder trial hernandez will face charges on very shortly. now we find out that the guy who was with him that night, the night of the double murder who's going to be testifying against him, was shot by hernandez in the face. that part we already knew. now charged with witness intimidation for shooting him in the face because -- this is the new part -- because hernandez allegedly mentioned the double shooting that had happened
months and months erlg ss earlier than the double murder shooting. given a reason why were alexander bradley was shot in the face by aaron hernandez. at least hernandez before now had not been charged with shooting alexander bradley in the face, but bradley had sued him in a federal civil lawsuit in florida. all of it happened in florida. it's a -- there are a lot of twists and turns to this case but now we're getting more clarity on motive and perhaps what led aaron hernandez to allegedly shoot alexander bradley in the face, and why he shot these two men in a bar. prosecutors have said it was over something as minor as a spilled drink, that hernandez had allegedly stalked these guys after one bumped into him on the dance floor and spill add drink. so just when you think you've heard everything about aaron hernandez. >> you haven't. >> now this. >> susan candiotti. thank you.
north korea, pictures tell the story. sharing pictures from the country's state media showing what they call the successful launch of a quote/unquote underwater ballistic missiles one shot from a submarine. the leader jong-un was there and watched the test. grab those ba pnuocularnok ku binoculars and watched from the bow of a boat. the global security foundation author of nuclear nightmares securing the world before its too late and also a member of secretary of state john kerry's board held briefings on the iran nuke deal. joe, nice to see you. >> nice to see you, brooke. >> i was reading -- i was wrapped by all the details because of fears what could be happening and the line that stuck out to me you were
essentially saying might as well try to fedex these missiles to the united states if that's what the goal is. is that what you think? >> the bad news that they've tested this kind of technology at all. an advanced technology not many countries can do this caused also surprise. the good news at the very beginning stages of these tests. this is 1970s technology. the submarine is based on a soviet sub from the '70s. the missile itself based and a soviet missile in the '70s, and this was just a first test just ejecting from the sub. this missile went about 100 yards. even if it was fully operational, the missile can only fly 1,500 miles. so the sub would have to cross the pick ocean to get it within range of the united states. that would take anywhere from two to three months. they would be much better off fedexing the warhead to the united states. that would only take a couple of days. >> okay.
not americansing words ingmincing words at all in terms of how you feel stick with the candor. look at these photos. not that you think there's possibly any doctoring them but one of them in which you see kim jong-un, he's like smoking and laughing, and -- what are we looking at? >> well this was a good day for him. this was quite a little coup. he grabbed international attention from this and at first we suspected the photos were doctored but then as more were released and we could look at them it's plausible he really was there and that the details seem to be real in these photos. so he's very proud. he's showing off a brand new technology that nobody thought he could have, and i mean the significance is if north korea could perfect this technology this is what's called a second strike capability. he would have a missile that could be launched from a
submarine. it would be hard to detect the submarine before the launch. so it would be harder to take it out. so he could have a threat to retaliate, should we or the south koreans or anybody else attack him. that's why he's so proud. he's showing off his new military technology but here's one bit of good news. we don't think he has a nuclear warhead yet that can fit on this missile. he's years away from that. >> don't they have long-term capabilities of miniaturizing one? >> that's what they're working on and have made progress as of late but there's still a long way from that having come close to testing a re-entry vehicle, for example. it's one thing to put a missile up. it's actually much harder to bring it back down surviving the heat and vibration of the re-entry re-entry. they haven't tested anything like a re-entry vehicle yet, and we don't believe that the nuclear test conducted tested a warhead small enough to be able
to fit inside a missile and survive those kinds of tests, stresses and the tests. it took us years to develop that technology. north korea, still significantly far behind. >> in a final 40 seconds i have with you, just as we're talking about these kinds of threats, who do you think has the bigger potential nuke threat? would it be north korea? i know we're sitting, the u.s. is sitting around the negotiating table with iran but would it be iran? >> oh brooke no question. north korea actually has nuclear weapons. we believe they have enough materiel for about six, maybe more and they've actually tested three of them. iran is still, even if iran went from this standing start right now all-out, it would take them at least a year to build their first nuclear weapon. so north korea at this point is the bigger threat. iran is the bigger promise, the bigger hope that we can stop iran from it gets close to north korea's capability. >> all right. president of plowshares fund
author of "nuclear nightmare: securing the world before it is too late" thank you, sir, for joining me this monday. appreciate you tuning in as well. i'm brooke baldwin, see you back here tomorrow. meantime "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. the pentagon saying do not believe the rumors the head of isis is still very much alive, and very much in control. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the world lead -- there will not be any warning next time. top man at the department of security says lone wolves inspired by isis could strike at any moment here at home. this as u.s. intelligence insists rumors that the leader of isis was wounded in a coalition air strike are just that. rumors. the national lead -- a rookie police officer living out his dream and veteran of the force, both sprayed with bullets as a traffic stop goes the worst