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tony had punched another friend prior to this call but everyone has left as things are really bad. tony is going crazy. he took sha rooms or some type of drugs. caller said he couldn't talk to any, said he couldn't get through to him. tony is acting insane right now and it is scaring the caller. the second call came in at 6:31 p.m. it was reported that a man was attacking pedestrians and had punched the caller in the face. the attacker was light skinned, not wearing a shirt at this time which description fit that of tony robinson jr. the incident occurred near 1125 williamson street across from the gas station. the third call came in at 6:32 p.m. it was reported the caller was at the gas station when tony
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robinson jr. was screaming across the street. he said tony was acting kind of crazy and then came up to him and tried to choke him. but he was able to get tony off of him. tony was also seen trying to assault two people on the sidewalk. tony had his shirt off and was roaming around blocking traffic. tony was then seen trying to break into 1125 williamson street apartment no. 2. each of the callers were interviewed and confirmed the information they had reported in their 911 calls. dispatch conveyed the general information from the calls to officer kenny. that was that there were three possible victims. tony robinson was a male black,
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light skinned, jumped in front of cars no weapons and seems to have entered 1125 williamson street upstairs apartment. this was conveyed by officer kenny through radio transmission. information was sent to officer kenny's mobile data computer. that information was that the caller was not aware of any weapons. they're assuming tony robinson took sharooms or some other drug today. tony had punched another of their friends. tony is 19 years old and lives in mcfarland. he was chasing the caller's car. tony robinson jr. is outside yelling and jumping in front of cars said he is tweaking male black, light skinned, tan jacket. the first caller also gave a
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statement with more detail regarding contact and observations of tony robinson jr., in his apartment prior to the 911 call at 6:28 p.m. he witnessed tony damage a wall in one of the bedrooms and blinds in the kitchen. he observed tony speaking to tony's father or others who were not present. tony's behavior was aggressive violent and he feared for his safety and that of others as well and for the safety of tony robinson jr. he also indicated that he locked the apartment door as everyone moved outside, and that he and his brother were the only people with keys to the upstairs
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apartment. follow-up with this resident revealed that the damage to the wall in the bedrooms was much greater than what had been witnessed prior to him leaving the apartment the first time and locking the door. the exterior door to apartment no. 2's door frame was not damaged prior to the first 911 call. but crime lab photos reveal damage to the door frame was present and the deadbolt was still engaged on march 6th. there was also damage to the right side of the stairwell near the eighth step up. there was 12 steps total. and this damage was not present when the resident had left apartment no. 2 locking the door behind him. interviews with those present in
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the downstairs apartment indicated that they also heard a disturbance which sounded like a fight occurring in the upstairs apartment. approximately 30 or 40 minutes prior to the shooting. neighbors in the downstairs apartment later heard what they believed to be the door to apartment no. 2 being forced open and a person going upstairs. approximately five minutes prior to the shooting they also heard what they considered to be another fight. and that just before the shots were fired, there was a sound of someone coming down the stairs. now the interviews of other independent citizen witnesses confirm robinson was seen running into a moving car, jumping in front of another
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moving car in traffic. robinson was witnessed jumping on the customer at the gas station, as well as observed punching the pedestrian on the sidewalk. now according to reports from tony's friends, later confirmed by toxicology reports, we know coney robinson had used control substances to include mushrooms or sha system rooms, thc or marijuana, and xanax. next a review of officer kenny's squad video and another officer's audio recording revealed the following evidence. officer kenny is observed walking up the driveway checking around the back corner of 1125
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williamson street prior to approaching the entrance of apartment no. 2. he is observed speaking into his radio, then reaching for his firearm before entering apartment no. 2. from the video it does not appear as if officer kenny had to open the door. officer kenny is inside the residence for approximately 20 seconds. before he reappears exiting the residence in a backwards motion appearing to almost lose his balance. at this time he is seen firing one shot while outside the residence. tony robinson's feet appear almost instantly in the doorway after officer kenny is seen
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exiting the residence. the audio recording from a responding officer captured the sound of seven shots fired in approximately three seconds. three shots followed by three shots followed by one shot. there were seven shots fired. all seven shots hit tony robinson jr. at close range. this was confirmed on autopsy. all bullets hit robinson from front to back. there were seven casings which was recovered from the scene and i believe it is reasonable to conclude all shots had to have been fired near the bottom of the stairs. all shots were fired within
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three seconds timespan and all shots hit tony robinson from front to back. now officer kenny's statement indicates when he exited his squad he could hear sounds of a disturbance disturbance, sounds of the disturbance seemed to be coming from the upstairs apartment. he went around the corner of the house to verify where the sounds were coming from. the sounds were coming from the upstairs apartment. he heard incoherent yelling and screaming. when he got closer to the stairwell he could hear yelling and what sounded like a fist hitting something and items being thrown or breaking. he heard someone say, what are you going to do now expletive? he indicated he believed tony robinson was the person he was
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looking for and was upstairs possibly assaulting someone else. he radioed dispatch that he was going in and upstairs. as he went in he drew his firearm. he indicated he could hear thumping smacking sounds, and yelling which was incoherent. as he got to within a few steps of the top of the stairs he yelled "madison police." there was then silence and someone yelled "well the police are here." he said tony robinson immediately turned the corner and struck him with a closed fist on the left side of his head, knocking him back and into the wall on his right.
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he struck the wall with the right side of his body and the right side of his head. this is consistent with the discovery of fresh damage to the drywall on the right side of the stair near the eighth step. he stated that tony robinson continued to aggress towards him, swinging at him. he indicated he was rocked back and was losing balance on the stairs. he indicated he was afraid he would be struck again and lose consciousness or hit his head falling backwards on the stairs. and that his fiernl would be taken and used to shoot him and possibly the other person in the apartment. he indicated he shot two strings
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of fire the first was three rounds the second was two or three rounds. he did not know how he got to the bottom of the stairs. he retreated five or six steps away from the door and yelled, "don't move." . at this time he did not see anything in tony robinson jr.'s hands or his waistband. tony robinson jr. was still conscious. he radioed "shots fired" and requested an ambulance. he directed another officer upstairs believing someone was still upstairs. he began rendering aid to any robinson until paramedics were
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able to take over. i conclude that this tragic and unfortunate death was the result of a lawful use of deadly police force and that no charges should be brought against officer kenny in the death of tony robinson jr. i am concerned that recent violence around our nation is giving some in our communities a justification for fear hatred and violence. i am reminded the true and
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lasting change does not come from violence. but from exercising our voices and our votes. the reverend dr. martin luther king jr. said violence brings only temporary change. violence by creating many more social problems than it solves. never brings permanent peace. thank you. welcome to the lead i'm jack tapper. time in new hampshire. you were just hearing from the district attorney in dane county that's madison, wisconsin. his name issish male 0 zain.
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he was announcing his decision to not charge a police officer in the shooting death of unarmed 19-year-old tony robinson. let's get right to cnn's ryan young. he's live in madison, wisconsin. ryan. >> reporter: jake we are right across the street from where that shooting happened. i can toll you across the street you can see that group of people over there. they are a group of faith leaders and communities members who arrived here to listen to this and watch it together. a lot of them have their phones. they've been streaming it and watching it. when the announcement was made they didn't make a noise. what we're told is there will be a march sometime soon. there will be one tomorrow. but there's talk tonight about a march to the capital. this is the state where tony robinson was coming down that night. we're actually standing at the gas station where there was surveillance video of some of the interaction that you just heard about. the fact that there were people
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walking down the street and tony robinson according to the report attacked some of the people walking up and down the street. it's at that apartment right there that the officer decided to try to confront tony robinson. when he got on the inside of the apartment, he was hit in the head and then he fired those shots. now you heard for the first time seven shots were fired. first three shots then another three shots. as we get the details, of course we're putting this together and make and open records request to see the evidence for ourselves. now we know there is dash cam video of the scene. jake? >> ryan young in madison, wisconsin thank you so much. let's talk about this decision with cnn legal and cyst sunny hostin as well as danny cevallos. what do you think about this decision to not bring charges based on what you heard in pain staking detail from the district attorney. do you understand the decision he made? >> i certainly understand the
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decision jake. i think that many people in the legal community that have been watching this case aren't necessarily surprised by this decision. if you look at this district attorney's history, he's had seven cases involving fatal shootings by police. he found all 13 officers involved in those shootings were justified in the use of deadly force. what i am surprised at is the detail with which he described his investigation. that is something that is very unusual. i'm calling it the mosby effect. we saw it with marilyn mosby in baltimore and now we're seeing it again. perhaps is the move of transparency that many protesters have been asking for. i'm certain this is not the result that perhaps many people wanted. but i think certainly the transparency that we're seeing is a move in the right direction. surprising detail yes.
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the decision, given what he has outlined is not unusual. >> danny, let me get your reaction to the district attorney's announcement. i think a lot of people in madison probably disappointed with the fact that in this another shooting of a police officer killing an unarmed young african american man. there are are not going to be any charges. your reaction? >> given the law of disclosure, i'm surprised that he chose to go into that level of detail about his reasons for not prosecuting because those records would have been released to the public anyway. but as you listen to his speech, as you listen to his announcement in the beginning he spent a lot of time discussing things that had nothing at all to do with this case but instead about his own personal experiences in race and his belief that race is still an issue in law enforcement today. which i think legal observers would agree sort of laid the foundation or laid the ground work for an announcement of no
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prosecution. and sure enough when he announced that the would not be prosecuting, that became less of a surprise than it might have been before that initial prelude, the discussion of how he acknowledges that race is an issue in america today. however, i decline to prosecute. >> all right. danny, sunny hostin, thank you so much. appreciate it. our world lead today, it's one of the most horrific days in history, september 11th 2001. and now an alarming admission from the former number two at the cia that if the u.s. government does not take the proper steps to stop isis isis could pull off an attack right here at home with equally devastating consequences. the man who sufd that warning, former deputy cia director will join me next.
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. welcome back to the lead. i'm jack tapper live in beautiful manchester new hampshire. by the banks of the mayor mack river. we're going to have my interview with new jersey governor chris christie coming up. but let's turn to our world leaving lead an an ominous warning that the terrorist group isis could carry out a 9/11 style attack against the united states unless the terror group is brought under control. this warning comes from michael morrell, a former deputy director of the cia who spent much of his 33-year career trying to protect the american people from terrorists held bent on waging jihad abroad and in the united states. he's joining was a new book hitted "the great war of our
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time the cia's fight against terrorism from al qaeda to isis." that's a scary proposition. does isis have the capability currently to undertake a large scale attack like that here in the homeland? >> first of all, it's great to be with you. to answer your question today i think isis poses two threats to the homeland. one is the self-radicalization that they're doing of young men and women here that resulted in the texas attack last week. i think the other is they have the ability to direct individuals to conduct small scale attacks. so not a 9 low pressure 11 style attack today. but i'm absolutely convinced that looking at the al qaeda model in afghanistan, i'm convinced that if isis is allowed safe naichb iraq and
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syria over the long term, they will eventually pose that threat to our homeland the same kind that we saw on 9/11. >> what keeps you up at night? what are you most worried about as somebody who knows all of the threats that this nation faces? >> so i think, jake at the top of the list is a terrorist group with access to weapons of mass destruction. and it is not -- that is not far fetched. you know we had -- we knew for certain that 0 samba bin laden was meeting with the pakistani nuclear scientist to get his hands on a weapon. we knew they were working on anthrax. a number of terrorists groups are shown an interest in weapons of massive destruction. isis talked about getting his hands on weapons of mass destruction. that would be the nightmare scenario a terrorist attack here in the united states here in new york, another major city that involved chemical
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biological or nuclear weapons. >> you write in your book about a number of things that the cia did right, a number of things that the cia got wrong. one of them of course is about weapons of mass destruction which you said cia analysts didn't approach with the same rigor that it approached other analyses. what does the cia need to do its job better than it has done his job over the last kekdecade? >> i think one of the critical pieces for getting the story right for the president of the united states is clandestine collection of secrets. right? against the hardest targets. against iran against north korea, against proliferation networks against terrorists networks getting those secrets that then the analysts are able to knit together for the president. one of the problems with our analysis on iraq wmd is we
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didn't have very much information. we did not penetrate the inner circle of saddam hussein to understand what he was doing. it really starts with great spy work and penetrating the hardest targets and getting the secrets so we can tell the president of the united states what's really going on. >> i want to ask you about this new report from seymour hurst, claiming in a new story that the details of the raid and the killing of osama bin laden released by the white house and the obama administration were false. specifically one thing i want to ask you about, nbc says they've confirmed one part of the story, that the u.s. was tipped off to bin laden's location by a walk-in. somebody from pakistani intelligence or the government years before the mission was launched. is there any truth to that part of hirsch's story?
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>> we get walk-ins people walking in to u.s. embassies overseas on a daily basis trying to tell us information that they think is important. they eesh trying to get money from us. and i can't tell you that somebody didn't walk into a station where and say i know where osama bin laden is. but i can guarantee you that no walk-in provided information that led us to osama bin laden. the way we got to him was by following the courier, finding his residence and watching that residence over a period of months. that's how we found him. not from somebody walking in and not from a pakistani official telling us and us paying him. >> thank you for your insight and your service. and of course it was a very interesting to read your book. good luck with that. >> thank you, jake. next in nepal, you can see the panicked look on people's
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you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. zillow welcome back to the lead. i'm jake tapper live in new hampshire where we're covering the presidential race. but let's go to our top world story today out of nepal where hundreds of families are sleeping outside of their homes, too afraid to go indoors after a powerful and deadly tremor which came just two weeks after a 7.8 magnitude earthquake devastated the area killing 8,000 people. let's go live now to will ripley who is in kathmandu. you just experienced yet another aftershock from the quake? >> reporter: yeah just a fup minutes ago. buildings started shaking. we could hear dogs in the neighborhood howling and people were running out of their homes.
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really terrifying. this is the fourth aftershock since the major earthquake today that toppled this five story building behind me. a lot of these buildings were partially damaged in the initial quake on april 25th and then the quake earlier, the 7.. quake today caused them to go down. people sleeping outside. a lot of them just a couple of days ago decided to return to their homes. they finally felt safe. now they're back outside. we saw a golf course full of hundreds of family. the mental terror that people are going through here is really troubling in addition to of course the fact that there are now more homes destroyed and in need of shelter as the monsoon rains are approaching. >> thank you very much. today, the reason that i'm here in manchester new hampshire by the banks of the river, my exclusive interview with potential presidential can dade chk.
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springsteen singing, barn storming maestro, chris christie. you might recall chris christie giving this big speech at the reagan library that month promising a second american century. he had conservatives hungry for him to jump in the race. but he didn't announce that night or that election. he said he was not ready then. now, of course when he says he is ready to be president, do americans, do republicans still want him after his star seems to have perhaps dimmed a touch. i asked him earlier today on the road here in new hampshire how does he intend to shine once again. >> thanks so much for doing this. >> my pleasure. >> there are people out there, pundits who have written your political obituary but obviously if you rin, you have a plan involving new hampshire. what's the plan? >> we put out a 5-point plan for
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economic growth. >> i mean a campaign plan. >> the campaign plan is to win. my political obituary has been writ an number of times before. it's something i'm completely used to. what happens is each one of those people who write the obituary only have one vote. i'm not worried about that. >> but there is a plan to come to new hampshire where local newspaper writers have written your can dad style might go over well and if you choose to run, the voters here in the pray mayor state. >> if i run i'll spend a significant time in new hampshire. i've already spent a lot of time in iowa. i'll spend time in south carolina also. i don't think this style of mine which gets talked about all the time is something that's restricted to one particular state or region of the country. i think i do pretty well any operations i went because i think people want the truth. i think the american people are mature enough to hear the truth. >> on the subject of your plan
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for 4% growth among the many propoles you had was to simplify the tax code. you don't want to vilify the wealthy but you don't feel the need to protect them either. yet this simplified tax code would reduce the tax rate for the top wage earners to 28% and the corporate tax down to 25%. given that you're not seeking to protect the wealthy, you're seeking to lower their tactions. how do you respond to the charge that you're just another republican looking to lower the taxes for the wealthy in. >> lower everyone's tactions. also lowering corporate taxes from 35% to 25% makes us competitive with the rest to have world is going to create jobs for the middle class. the president has created part-time work for the american people. and it's at a record now how many people have to have multiple par-time jobs to make ends meet. that's the type of slow growth economy he's had. what we're talking about
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lowering rates for everybody is going to create jobs and do it also by the way in getting rid df deductions and other things that could have it be revenue neutral. >> one of the other topicings you've talked about is reforming social safety net or entitlement. governor huckabee said your proposal for social security isn't reform at all, your stance constitutes lying to the american people and taking money from people at one pretense and then took it away when they wanted to get what they paid for all of these years. you had a comment in your speech about people who are not up front with people about entitlement should be booed out of the room. what is your response to him? >> he and anybody like him that proposes those types of things. the lie has mapped. there's no trust fund. no lockbox. these programs with careening towards bankruptcy. so my view is that we should have the program be there for the people who need it the most. social security should prevent
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the elderly from growing old in poverty. and if sbun is making more than $200,000 a year in retirement income maybe they don't need the monthly social security check. the alternative is bankruptcy or a massive tax increase on the american people today and i would like to know which one of those governor huckabee and folks like him are for. >> what do you say to people who say new jersey has one of the highest rates of unemployment in the country, the bond rating has been downgraded nine times, your big signature proposal for pension reform looks like it's in some serious trouble with the state supreme court. maybe you're not the economic steward that you're casting yourself as. >> look at what new jersey looked like when i inherited it. in the decade before i game governor new jersey had zero sector job growth for an entire decade. we now have over 180,000 new private sector jobs. unemployment was 10%.
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it's now well below 6%. we've balanced the budget in an honest way. we've cut business taxes $2.35 billion. we inherited a wrecked ship and we've now made it seaworthy. and i believe by the end of my term we'll make it better than that. but you think about what we inherited and what we fixed and by the way, jack with a democratic legislature who's never seen a tax increase they like. i've vetoed five of them already and if they send me more i'll veto more. >> i want to ask you about jeb bush. he was asked the question about knowing then what we know now about the war in iraq. would he have made the same decision jeb bush that his brother made. he answered a different question. basically knowing then what he knew then. but let me ask you the question. knowing then what we know now, know wmd in iraq et cetera was that the right decision to go to war? >> no, it wasn't.
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now i think president bush made the best decision he could at the time given that his intelligence community was telling him there was wmd. but if you can honestly say that we knew then there would no wmd that the country should have gone to war. my answer is no. we've got to avoid continuing to go backwards. we need a forward looking foreign policy that talks about inserting american authority influence around the world. i want to directly answer your question because that's what i do. if we knew then what we know now and i was the president of the united states i wouldn't go to war. but we don't get to replay history. >> what lessons have you learned from that decision back in 2002 2003? >> i'm going to talk more about this next week jake. i'll tell you that i think one of the real mistakes that's being made right new in this country is a defunding and a weakening of the intelligence community. what we learned from the iraq
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situation is there is also nothing more valuable to a strong national defense than a strong empowered intelligence community. and i'm very concerned about those who want to weaken our intelligence community. these president has done it already and there are those runs for president right now that want to weaken the intelligence community more. i am not one of those people. that's one of the lessons we should have learned. sometimes real mistakes of national consequence can be made if we don't have correct intelligence. we need to make sure our intelligence is strong so we can prevent war, prevent won flick revent terrorist attacks. >> you've been critical of president obama when it comes to the subject of isis and the terrorist threat. what would you be doing differently now? >> we need to strengthen or alliances around the world. oured a ser sarryes no longer fear us. that's an awful position for america to be in. we have allies across the middle east who want to fight isis but
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they can't count on the fact that america is with them shoulder to shoulder with them. and if nes, helping to fight with them, fight against this. this president drew a red line in syria and allowed vladimir putin to fill the vacuum. he's obsessed with negotiations with iran. this is not the type of leadership we need that's going to help to send the right message to the terrorist threat around the world. and i have experience in this. i've been u.s. attorney for seven years and fighting terrorism in new jersey. i understand how important intelligence is to this. and sending clear messages. >> we're going to take a quick break. when we come back we're going to ask him many other questions including one about his favorite sport, football. we'll be right back.
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welcome back to the lead. i'm jack tapper. we're sitting here in manchester new hampshire talking with new jersey governor chris christie about his possible presidential campaign and other issues of the day. governor christie thank your joining us. there seemed to be a sense of acceptability of retaliation. i understand that you don't think what happened to one mayor was okay. but there was a meeting canceled with another mayor who didn't produce you. if i had produe is who took an action against a rival show and hurt other people, i would have thought that i set some type of tone that they thought was acceptable. these are people who wanted to please you. did this cause you at all to think maybe i did set a wrong
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tone at all? >> obviously i spent time thinking about that because it's an obvious question. but no, i don't think so. unfortunately there are going to be times when people work for you that do things out of character. our administration is about working across the aisle with the democrats. i have a number of democrats who endorsed us. those relationships exist today. so listen, i'm accountable for what happened. i've said that before. i'm the governor. it happens on my watch. but you can't be responsible for the bad acts of some people who wind up in your employ. what you do as a leader is take definitive steps. the next day i terminated the person i felt was responsible and moved on. >> have you talked to her at all sense this in. >> no i have not. >> what would you say to her if she was sitting hear? >> i don't have anything more to say. i would probably more listen than talk. >> let's turn to a lighter
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subject if that's okay with you. you're a big football fan. >> yes, i am. >> because of some problem you're actually a cowboys fan. but you said last week that the report suggesting tom brady had some knowledge of the deflated footballs had a lot of problems probablies and maybes. the nfl suspend him from four games, weak end public confidence. do you think the punishment is too harsh? >> i do. i think it's an over reaction. you can't help but put this in the context of everything that's happened in the nfl over the past year. where previous punishments that were given out for other transgegs depressions mostly off the field have been seen as too weak and now we're seeing an overreaction. this happens frequently not just in football. things are seen as too weak, you go back as being too tough. it has to do with the fact that
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he's wealthy and handsome and famous and successful and i think people like to take shots at people like that. so from my view, i think the punishment is too harsh. >> i want to ask you one ore question about football. this one has to do with anybody who went to a jets game in the last few years. they might have experienced a time when the jets salute the national guards and the troops. it turns out, confirmed by the pentagon not just the jets but other football organizations across the country have been paid for this. the national guard has been paying for this. millions of dollars, more than 300,000 to the jets alone. you know i understand the idea of you know you pay for ads or whatever but what seemed like a very moving moment to the jets fans do you think they should give that money back? why should they be paid for it? >> if the money was paid to the
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jets just for saluting the jets they should give it back. if it was paid for some other advertisement or something else that i don't know about, then that's a decision for the government to make whether they should be paying that kind of advertising. but if we're paying the new york jets franchise for saluting the troops that would be disappointing. >> i know when you went to mexico you didn't want to talk about immigration reform. but you're entertaining the notion of running for president. and there are significant questions about whether or not, for instance there should be a path to citizenship. in a general view -- i know you're not laying out your immigration proposal now. but in a general view the 12 million or so undocumented immigrants in in country, should they have an ability to become citizens or would you think it's okay to have a second tier status, what hillary clinton called second class status. >> let's talk about secretary
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clinton for a second. the pantering going on by her is really the kind of thing that disgusts people about american politics. the fact is he's had this epiphany that she wants to go to the left of president obama. i didn't know there was room to the left of president obama on an issue like this. but that's apparently where she's headed. i'll give a thoughtful answer on immigration if i'm a candidate for president of the united states. but what she's doing right now is typical of the type of pantering that people do when they're trying to tell people what they want to hear to get their vote. and if they get power they'll do differently. it's the same thing president obama said he was for this when he ran for president in 2008 had complete control of correct me if i'm wrong. in 2009 and 2010 did nothing to fix the immigration problem in this country. we need people to start telling the truth about this issue. he's have an adult conversation about it and let's not have politicians like hillary
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clinicen the running around pantering. >> 57% of the republican primary voters cannot see themselves ever supporting you for president. that's more than any other republican surveyed. ie know you've had highs eni know that you've had lows. how do you get up in the morning to campaign when you see a poll number like that where you're in a position here in new hampshire, let's just say you have room for upward growth. you're trailing donald trump. does it make you feel discouraged or does it make you want to double down and work even harder? >> if you determine what your kmipt commitment is to your country by what wrur poll number is on any particular morning, you have no business running for president of the united states. 50% of republicans saying they don't think they could vote for me. guess what, they could change their mind pap and the job of campaigns if we're to engage in one is to change minds. and the jobs of leaders is not to follow polls. it's to change polls.
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that's what real leaders do. i don't worry about this stuff. it doesn't matter. aye had 75% job approval ratings and 35% job approval ratings and everything in between. you know what? because i tell the truth. people understand that i don't care whether the poll is up or down that day. it didn't affect what i believe in here. if i decide to run for president, i'll run. and my job will be to convince people to vote for me. it's no different than any other campaign you run. believe me when i started to run in new jersey i don't think most people thought it was going to beat john core sine either. >> thanks for joining us. appreciate it. our thanks to the university of manchester for their hospitality as the nor'easter rolls in. make sure to follow me at the lead cnn.
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