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follow me at the lead cnn. that's it for the lead live from manchester new hampshire. i'm turning you over now to one wolf blitzer who is safely es konsed in "the situation room." happening now, u.s. helicopter down six marines are missing after their aircraft disappears during a humanitarian mission. an urgent serge is underway. another earthquake after thousands died in a massive up looefl. a second quake rocks the top of the world. near mt. everest, the u.s. is trying to rush aid to hard hit nepal. the dark web, isis uses the vast secret depths of the internet to recruit fighters and insight attacks. how the u.s. is scrambling right now to hunt down ter ryces in the far reaches of cyberspace. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." we begin with the breaking news. the u.s. military helicopter
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carrying eight people six u.s. marines and two soldiers from nepal is now missing. the hugh we helicopter like the one seen here was on an earthquake relief mission in nepal when the crew radioed there was some kind of fuel problem. this happened amid the chaos and devastation of a second major earthquake in nepal. the magnitude 7.3 quake claimed dozens of lives and destroyed buildings. thanks to cnn global resources we have crews in nepal as well as correspondents and experts across the united states to bring you all of today's major news. james rich is a top member of the intelligence committee. hey's here in "the situation room." first let's go to barbara starr. she has the latest on the search for the missing u.s. helicopter. barbara? >> at this hour we're just learning from top military officials no distress call was made by the u.s. helicopter.
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it was at of contact for two hours. apt at that point the pentagon declared the helicopter missing knowing it did not have any fuel left. the question at this hour is this. did the pilot run into a fuel problem and simply put the helicopter down in a remote mountainous area and they cannot get a message out? their communications gear not able to get past the high mountains in nepal or did something more dire happen here. was there some sort of crash. what we do know is there have been several reports of a helicopter seen in the area. they put other aircraft into the air for 90 minutes when those reports first emerged trying to search for it. they did not find it. night fell. they had to call off the air search. it will resume at first light, a short time from now, in nepal. but i can also tell you overnight, members of the nep
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please army have been on foot trying to make their way to where they think the helicopter may be. they were delivering relief supplies to villages when they lost radio contact. it was apparently an indian helicopter flying nearby that picked up radio chatter from the americans that they had fuel problems. there is no sign of a crash at this hour. the pen gone is hopeful. but the bottom line is right now, the search the hunt goes on. >> there are 300 american military personnel serving this humanitarian mission in nepal, is that right? >> that's right. this there are a few more back further back in thailand. the ramp space at the airport very crowded as international relief flights land round the clock from around the world trying to help the people of
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nepal. the u.s. is sending in its aircraft the big fixed wing transport planes to the airport in kathmandu, unloading them very fast turning them around and sending them back to thailand. there are 700 military personnel involved in the mission, 300 marines and a couple dozen u.s. army special forces on the ground. >> today's earth quick left dozen os people dead. the situation already is dire because of the massive quake last month that killed at least 8,000 people injured at least 17,000 others. cnn's brian todd is over at the u.s. geological survey outside washington, d.c. where scientists are monitoring global earthquakes. what are you picking up over there, brian? >> reporter: wolf seismologists here have beentracking earthquakes for msh than four decades. they have all of the latest technology. these experts say the chances of
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an earthquake this size occurring two weeks after a 7.8 magnitude quake are less than 1%. odds that bring even more pain and heart ache to the people of nepal who had already been reeling for 17 days. still recovering from the last one. another massive earthquake today in nepal causes more buildings to collapse. dozens of fresh kaushlgcasualties. the residents felt that all too familiar wave of fear violent shaking, structuring cracking. >> that is the thing right now. >> people scrambling to the streets desperate to reach safety. >> i would like to go to my home. i'm worried for my family. >> i just ran here. i was very scared at the time.
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>> this landslide in the mountains caught on video. victims near the epi center will be particularly hard for the aid workers to reach. it's just over two yeeks since the devastating 7.8 message tuesday quake that killed oef 8,000 people. relief workers say this event is a may jr. setback for recovery efforts. one of their biggest worries, survivors who lost their home on don't want to risk sleeping in a building are returning to makeshift camps or to the streets where they're exposed. >> the monsoon is coming rains are coming. so people will have to sleep with rainy days but also children are -- they could be bitten my mosquitos and there are too many other things in the streets that could make the children really -- >> seismologist mike blampeed says this event despite its event and time separation from
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the first one is not considered its own earthquake. these are all aftershocks. >> the 7.3 is an aftershock? >> it is the largest aftershock of this earthquake. >> why is it considered an aftershock and not its own quake. >> it certainly is an earthquake but it's an aftershock because it occurs in the area of the original main shock and it's of a smaller size. >> he sed says the chances that there will be another aftershock this big or bigger in nepal are very low, maybe one in several hundred. but he says that area is going to continue to be rattled by small aftershocks for months. and the people of nepal have to be ready for them. >> i know you spoke earlier today with an aid official if on the ground. he told you he was especially worried about the fate of children there. tell us what he said. >> well it's not only the elements that he said that they're exposed to that he worries about, the rain the
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monsoon season isment coing. he's worried about the children getting bitten by mosquitos. but he says 80% of the schools there have been destroyed by this earthquake and the last one. kids are not going to school. parents are leaving their kids alone as they're trying to recover and rebuild. so there are a lot of kids wandering around. he's worried about the unsupervised nature of some of these kids and their vulnerability to the elements at this point. >> we'll check back with you. thank you. it's well before dawn over in nepal right now. rescue efforts began just after the quake hit will be ramping up once the sun is up. let's go to nepal right now where our concerned will ripley is on the ground. you've been there now for several hours. what's it like? what ruy seeing. >> reporter: within the last hour we ourselves felt an aftershock. it was a noticeable jolt the buildings started shaking around us we heard the dogs howling
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and there were people sleeping in sheds lining the street who ran out into the street and now some of them are taking refuge in their cars. the nepal seismologist put out a tweet saying this was a 4.2 aftershock and the epi center was right here in kathmandu. you get a sense when you experience something like that the terror that people are feeling and the reason why they don't feel safe to be in their homes two and a half weeks after this earthquake. they've had 140 joof h aftershocks, four of them today. and this was a five-story building until the biggest aftershock this afternoon. >> there were a lot of organizations provide humanitarian assistance search and recovery all sorts of aid already on the ground before this huge second earthquake. what's it like over there? are they competing amongst themselves? are they coordinating? how well organized is this humanitarian operation? >> reporter: they're certainly trying to coordinate. but it has been a challenge for the government here in nepal.
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not only figuring out which agencies are here and who can help and who can go where, but also just getting to the hardest hit areas. the epi center of this large aftershock today is 140 kilometers east of kathmandu. a lot of the roads are closed. even getting supplies and search crews in there to assess the damage is difficult. but one official elg us that they're expecting the death toll to sharply rise as they get into some of these villages and find more collapsed buildings like the one behind me. >> will we understand this is also a race against time this humanitarian issue right now because of the looming monsoon season. how destructive could that be? >> reporter: it's going to be terrible wolf. yeah the heavy monsoon rains are just weeks away. when you have people sleeping outside, when you have debris searchers trying to go through and clean up, it's really going to complicate the situation.
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they don't have the plans finalized yet for the temporary shelters they're going to build for these families. some are sleeping in tents, shen ap some outside with no cover at all. the monsoon season is going to make a bad situation much worse. >> good luck to all of the people over there. this has been a huge huge disaster in nepal. we'll take a quick break. there's another major news we're following right near in "the situation room." we'll be right back. if you misplaced your discover card you can now use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it you can switch it right on again. you're back! freeze it, only from discover. get it at oh, i love game night. ooh, it's a house and a car! so far, you're horrible at this, flo. yeah, no talent for drawing, flo.
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it's a start maybe with u.s.-russia relations at their frostiest since the cold war, secretary john kerry and vladimir putin has broken the ice with a face-to-face meeting today. there's still a long way to go. our global correspondent is here. >> well the talks were long and intense. secretary kerry met with the russian leader for eight hours, three hours along with president putin. but progress on many issues that divide u.s. and russia in short supply. both russia and the u.s. tried to exsent wait the positive in the face of tensions that have reached and all-time high. john kerry and vladimir putin were all smiles at today's first meeting between a top u.s. official and the russian leader in two years. the friendly banter marked the deep tensions between the u.s.
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and russia where putin's support for rush hand-backed forces in ukraine, where a fragile cease-fire is being largely ignored. >> we believe that this fighting the fighting that is taking place as a result of this on any side whoever has instigated it that it has gone on for too long. >> the meeting comes as russia has grown more aggressive in the region with air incursions that have rattled its european leaders like this one, as british fighter jets scrambled to intercept a russian bomber in the skies near great britain. sparking fear of a new cold war. in protests kerry and other european leaders boycotted putin's parade this weekend. a massive display of power marking the russian victory in world war ii.
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and even before kerry touched down in sochi, moscow blasted the u.s. for isolating russia. today over a basketful of russian produce, the fruitful talk turned to cooperation. kerry starting the day at a world war memorial with the minister. >> a very powerful reminder of the sacrifices that we shared to bring about a safer world and what our nation consist accomplish when our peoples are working together towards the same goal. >> after working together to rid syria of its chemical weapons, the u.s. now wants russian help to stop syrian president bashar al assad from using chlorine gas against his people. and with ba sad's forces losing on the battlefield, cut support for the syrian leader all together to put an end to the
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civil war. the u.s. also needs russia's help to strike a nuclear deal with iran. and wants putin to cancel the sell to teheran of a sophisticated air defense system which could lead iran to drive a harder bargain at nuclear talks. there was no evidence of any breakthroughs on syria and on iran. the russian foreign minister promised to mo ahead with the delivery of the controversial air defense system to teheran. but both sides did agree to work more closely on trying to resolve the crisis in ukraine. kerry hinted that if russia cooperated with implementing a stalled peace plan some of those sanctions imposed by the u.s. and european union could be lifted. which that is something that russia is really looking for. >> kerry wants to reset that relationship. let's see if he can achieve that if the russians are willing to cooperate. the attack on a
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controversial prophet muhammad event in texas tast the spotlight on the vast hidden depths of the internet used by isis for recruiting fund-raising and incitement. now the u.s. is scrambling to hunt down the terrorists in the internet. barbara starr, what are you finding out? >> this is a world with sale team and delta force cannot held. it's threat of unprecedented magnitude. isis still undefeated after months of bombing has entered a knew phase, using the cyber world as a weapon. the recent isis inspired attack in garland, texas was carried out after gunman elton simpson publicly tweeted this picture on the internet using the #texasattack. now new online threats are
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forcing the pet gone to confront a secret internet most of us never see in a place most of us have never been. the dark or deep web. the u.s. believes isis and others are now using the most covert part of the online world to recruit fighters share intelligence and potentially plan real world attacks. think of the entire internet as an iceberg. >> everything above the water is what we would call the surface web or what can be indexed by google. but below the water, that huge iceberg, that's the deep web. that's the part of the web that's not indexed. there's no much of the web that can can't just google for. >> making it tough to crack but researchers are finding portals to get inside. >> what we've found is a website on the dark net, one of the references to the website, a few of the reference to the website, isis funding website.
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>> pentagon scientists plan to go in and chase isis down. >> we need the technology to discover where that content is and make it available for analysis. >> that military technology known as mimics acts as a unique search engine. seeing information not available by traditional routes mike google or bing. hiding on the web has become easy wer with tools like this brower that bounces communications around the world keeping anyone from knowing what sites you visit and where you are located. basically making you invisible. >> you can use t.o.r.e. the go to normal websites like or to go to special hidden services. >> an isis militant could be in texas but a message is routed to paris, to istanbul and then finally to syria making it difficult to track users.
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>> young people are posting about isis related topics. >> mem micks starts by tracking the places where isis is active online. a difficult hunt through unchartered territory where terrorists have been lurking far too long. and of course the dark web means if isis can master it they can potentially plan real attacks faster than the u.s. can track them down. >> thank you. good report. let's discuss what's going on with the rep senator james rich of i'd hop. he's a member of the intelligence and foreign relations committee. how big of a deal is this so-called dark web. it sounds so ominous, especially if these guys isis al qaeda, owe terror groups use the sophisticated encryption device to hide what they're doing. >> it does have a name that's scary to begin with. this has been going on for a
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couple of years. it's been gaining momentum and maturing. it really shouldn't surprise anyone. it's a natural progression of where the web is going. i differentiate between the deep web and the dark web in that one is more sophisticated than the other. >> explain the difference. >> deep web is not nearly as sophisticated as the dark web. it's easier to penetrate. from then i went to the dark web and once they're past that and people penetrate it i'm sure they'll establish something that they can do further with. but look we've got people that are experts in this. we can chase the rabbit down the hole whatever hole it goes down. but sometimes it does take some time. i think what's important to remember is this sh only one aspect only one tool we have in the box of chasing the lone wolves or the other types of things that are out there that could threaten america. so it is serious. it's of concern.
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but it's not something that's being ignored and i's not something that is brand new to us. >> is it one of the reasons why the u.s. military, all military installation bases around the country have gone now to a higher state of alert, the bravo station because of the deep web or dark web, what is going on there if isis is trying to inspire would-be terrorist to go out there and kill americans? >> i think it's because of the content. what we saw immediately surrounding the attack in texas, particularly right before that was a call by isis to have certain attacks that people who are inspired by them should accomplish lone wolf attacks in the united states and they specifically named some military bases, specifically identified some military bases. >> military bases in the united states? >> in the united states that's correct. >> how many did they specifically name? we haven't heard any public announcements of you know fort
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bragg or fort campbell or fort stewart. >> there were a couple of them that were specifically identified. there's been an uptick in security at all of the bases. but there were a couple of them that were targeted. >> we know that they specifically named about 100 u.s. military personnel, they posted their names, addresses, their pictures. this is the first time hearing that they made a direct threat against the military base in the united states. >> and the threat was in a general sense, that is they didn't identify any specific individual take a specific weapon at a specific time and go there. what they're trying to do is inspire people in the united states that are motivated, like the two people in texas. >> so the two or three bases that were specifically named, are they still at bravo or have they gone up to a higher a higher security threat level? >> probably can't go there on
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this. but those are classified things as to what the level is. but it's been open source reported that all of the security has been stepped up because of this. >> at all of the bases around the country. here's the question. the people the military personnel, the civilian personnel at these two tore three bases that were specifically targeted. have they been told? >> of course. >> so presumably they've gone to a higher security threat level than just bravo. >> presumably. our intelligence community is very good. when they uncover specific information like this they're right on it. just as they were in dallas. >> outside dallas in garland, texas. and specifically was this threat from isis was it from al shabaab, was it from al qaeda? do we know who the threat was from 234. >> the isis are the people claiming it and probably that's as good of an identification as
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you can get. >> all right. senator, stand by. we have more to discuss. senator risch is with it. much more coming up right after this. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs.
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we're back with the republican senator james risch of idaho. he's a member of the intelligence and foreign relations committees. we heard represent mike mccall, the chairman of the house foreign affairs saying these terror threats are seen on an almost daily basis. his words, homeland security secretary jay johnson saying the
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lone wolves could strike at any moment. how serious of is threat is there right now? >> there is a serious threat right now. we just learned that after what happened in texas. the intelligence community does it best to uncover these. this is serious. you and i talked about it when u was happening overseas and at that time it was relatively predictable that it was going to happen here and it did happen here. and right now these things are continuing and they're monitored by the intelligence community. >> isis is a major threat to the united states also in europe and to russia for that matter. we see secretary john kerry in moscow right now meeting with putin. is there a sense -- do you get a sense that russia will cooperate with the united states in this fight against isis in. >> sometimes. we have a mixed relationship with russia as you know. when it's in their best interest yes, they will
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cooperate. we saw with -- remember the boston bombers from the marathon there were some exchanges going back and forth on that not nearly what we needed. but they were in a cooperative mood. >> were or were not? >> well they were i think. what you have to remember is they have their own problems with terrorism. if you look at the terrorist attacks that they have in russia they have the check kneeian issue there and very radical islamics there who have the same view towards russia as isis does towards other western countries. >> can kerry reset this relationship between the united states and russia? now for the first time in years, putin actually received a high level american in russia. >> i wouldn't -- look this is a heavy lift. a very heavy lift for john kerry. they should try. there's no question about it. but the russians are very difficult to deal with. they deal with you when it's in their best interest. but look it's no secret that
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they love to antagonize america and they do it from time to time. they do it in ways that they know will antagonize -- >> they know the u.s. doesn't like the air defense missile shield system they want to sell to iran. >> that's a huge deal. not just for the united states. that's a huge deal for israel. >> why is that in. >> well because those missile defense systems we put in place to protect any of the nuclear structure that they have in iran. if they start construction of a nuclear weapon it is going to be protected by the s 300 missiles. once those are delivered, once those are deployed that is a game changer for the military option that everyone says is on the table. it is a real game changer. >> russia says they're going ahead with the sale. >> they said that some time ago. it hasn't happened yet. kerry is going to be talking to them about that and i'm sure they'll have discussions about whether they actually do -- we stopped it once before at the request of the united states,
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the russians stopped it once before. and i think it need to be underscored to the russians what a big deal it is. this is a for real honest to goodness substantive move that can cause some real disruption in the neighborhood. >> how big of a deal is it that the saudi king at the last minute literally decided not to come to this camp david summit with other gulf arab states to washington? >> you've seen the speculation on both sides. the saudis are not happy with the negotiations going on with iran over the nuclear deal. they are not as vocal about it as israel or some of us are in the united states senate. but i can tell you having met with them they are very very unhappy. whether it had anything to do with that or not, i certainly wouldn't want to speculate on it. but that's there along with other issues that are there. >> it's not just the saudis it's the uie, several of the
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other sunni countries in the gulf pap they're not happy about the prospect of a nuclear deal with iran either right? >> they aren't as vocal publicly as israel is or as other countries are. but i can tell you there is there is real -- people are very very concerned there about how these things are going forward and what it's going to mean and what it's going to mean to them. if indeed this agreement results in a path forward for the iranians every other country that you've just mentioned is going to have to be look for a path forward themselves. >> we had the minister of saudi arabia here in "the situation room" yesterday. he's not ruling out the point that if they hate the deal they'll move ahead with a nuclear weapon of their own. >> personally i think that's what happened. >> senator risch, thanks very much. coming up white house and intelligence officials are
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so did the united states really hunt down and kill osama bin laden on its own. the intelligence community is reacting very strongly to a new report questioning the president's account of the raid on that secret compound in
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pakistan. jim shoeciutto is looking into the story. >> i've spoken to u.s. intelligence officials and they tell me that no walk-in from pakistani intelligence or the pakistani government led to the location. the administration maintains it was osama bin laden's courier that ultimately led them to the al qaeda leader. it's the most herald mission of his presidency. today, continuing to dismiss reports that the true story of the bin laden raid was not as the president said that night four years ago. >> i can report to the america people and to the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden, the leader of al qaeda. >> a new version of events first vorted by seymour hirish and later by cnn news turns it
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upside down. they claim a member of the intelligence service approached the cia revealing where he was hiding a year before the raid. the u.s. intelligence official tells cnn the u.s. did have quote valuable sources within pakistan. however, no walk-in source led to bin laden's location. hirish also claims that pakistan later helped the u.s. go after him, something the administration vehemently denied. >> they're confronted with the fact that we knew something they didn't want us to know. we put a lot of money into pakistan a u.s. intelligence official tell cnn, the united states located bin laden through years of pain staking intelligence work. these new claims do not comport with the historical record. so one more key question did the u.s. pay the $25 million
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we're back with our terrorism experts. fran townsend you were the homeland security adviser under president bush. did you ever hear any talk or any sense that pakistan was actually aware of where osama bin laden was hiding out in pakistan that he was moved, that the pakistani government was on top of this situation? >> you know wolf the cooperation between the u.s. and pakistani intelligence services was always something of a frustration. look it would be one step forward and two steps back there is no question we would share information prior to conducting a joint operation with them. and it would be clear that the target had been tipped off in advance. so we went through some very difficult, frustrating periods with the pakistanis. we knew the pakistanian intelligence service remaining ties in the tribal areas, and it was possible that they would get intelligence and that they might
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or might not share with us about bin laden and bin laden's location. look after the raid was successfully conducted we knew from then cia director leon panetta that he was suspicious the pakistanist had had specific information about bin laden's location. so that they may have known something is not really all that shocking. i think it's ridiculous to think there would have been a walk-in to a u.s. government facility in the region with that kind of information. it was well-known that the pakistanis were watching our facilities. somebody with that sort of information would most certainly have not walked into one of our facilities. >> peter bergen, you have done amazing reporting on all of this. the assertion from seymour hersh is there was cooperation with pakistan in going after bin laden in abadabad. u.s. officials insist they didn't trust the pakistanis. they would have fear they'd moved bin laden out of there in
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advance. >> the physical evidence and the evidence from eyewitnesses about what happened that night completely contradicts hersh's assertion that there wasn't really a raid that the pakistanis cooperated with the s.e.a.l.s and the sales sort of waltzed in and shot bin laden. i was at the compound. it was clearly a very violent night. other people than bin laden were killed. four other adults were killed that night. the idea that there was no fire fight there, amongst the many other claims in this article just is not true. >> let me get phil mudd's analysis. what do you think, phil? >> absurd. this guy who wrote this deserves to be in a psychist room not "the situation room." i've never seen anything as ridiculous as this article. if you look at the sourcing chain, most of it depends on an unnamed source who allegedly has access to everything from the pentagon, the cia, the white house, the saudi royals and the pakistani military. we call sources like that
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fabricators in the cia. this is ridiculous. >> the whole story. he is getting a lot of pushback obviously. seymour hersh. did brilliant reporting years ago. but in this particular story, maybe one or two others recently he has been getting a lot of criticism. you saw him ear on cnn earlier this week. let's talk a little bit, phil, while i have you on the urgency of secretary kerry's visit to sochi, russia today. met with putin, met with lavrov the foreign minister. are the russians going work with the u.s. in syria? >> we've seen changes in syria. two in particular. one is obviously what we have seen here in the homeland. one of the reasons i think we need to accelerate conversations about what to do in syria. and that is the incidents of isis-inspired radicalism. the others happening in syria. we've seen a more somber tone out of president bashar al assad. he is under pressure. the insurgents including the radical islamists are making
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gain. it's not clear to me that putin and others in russia will see this change as significant enough to engage with kerry, with secretary kerry on a conversation about a serious ally of theirs and that's bashar al assad. i think we've got to do something about syria. it's not only a humanitarian disaster it's turning out to be a disaster for kids who are being recruited from syria in american cities. but i'm not sure the russians are going to cooperate. >> and fran, this homeland security threat right now, some suggesting it's as serious if not even more serious than right after 9/11. your thought. >> oh listen wolf there is no question. because of the ability of isis and like-minded individuals to use social media platforms to recruit, inspire and disseminate propaganda the threat here in the homeland is as real now as it ever has been. and i think we ought to expect that even though those only loosely affiliated but have contact through the social media platforms and the web will take upon themselves to act here inside the homeland.
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>> fran townsend fellowship mudd, peter bergen guys thanks very much. coming up two weeks after a massive quake killed thousands, another powerful upheaval rocks the top of the world near mt. everest. look at that building go down. plus with relations in the deep freeze secretary john kerry, russian president putin trying to break the ice with a face-to-face meeting.
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wild within. happening now, breaking news. u.s. chopper down. a helicopter carrying american marines on a relief mission disappears. the search efforts are about to
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resume. will they find the missing aircraft and the eight people on board? more misery. a second massive earthquake strikes nepal, collapsing buildings that survived the first disaster and killing dozens more people. will rescuers reach trapped survivors in time? no charges. officials decide not to prosecute a white police officer who shot and killed an unarmed biracial teenager. howo this latest racially charged case? candid on race. president obama talks about race in america in some of his most personal remarks yet, speaking frankly about the challenges he faced growing up. is the president trying to shape his legacy? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking
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news. an american military helicopter missing in nepal, along with six u.s. marines and two others. the chopper part of the massive earthquake recovery effort that shattered the country. and now another powerful quake has rocked the region. a magnitude 7.3 that left at least 68 people dead in nepal, india, and tibet. we're covering those stories, much more this hour with our correspondents and our guests. let's begin with our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, what are you picking up about the missing marine helicopter? >> wolf, this is a uh-1 huey eight people on board. the search is expected to resume about one hour from now at first night in nepal. this helicopter went missing several hours ago, was declared missing when the u.s. military in nepal did not hear from it. it had been on an earthquake relief mission. it was delivering supplies in two villages when they lost contact with it.
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now, an indian helicopter flying in the area reports hearing radio chatter from the americans, that they were having some sort of fuel problem. at that point, three other u.s. aircraft were sent up to try and look for the missing u.s. helicopter before nightfall. they did not find it. they had to suspend the air search during the night, but nepalese military forces on the ground hiked in to the area in hopes of finding something. so far no word. there are two options here wolf that are very difficult in these hours for the u.s. military families and the nepalese involved. either the pilot had a problem and he was able to put the helicopter down and they simply cannot communicate their location they can't get a signal out over those steep mountains that is the hope of the pentagon because right now they have no sign of a crash or the helicopter crashed. but, again, the search will
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resume at first light. they hope very quickly to resolve this, to find the missing helicopter and to find the people on board. wolf? >> all right, barbara thank you. the relief effort that helicopter was part of has suffered a huge setback. another deadly quake rocking the region killing dozens of people in nepal and india. cnn's will ripley is now on the ground for us in nepal's capital of kathmandu. what are you seeing there, what are you feeling? i just understand you went through another major aftershock. >> yeah wolf, there have been some 140 aftershocks since that bg quake on april 25th including the aftershock too, the 7.3 that turned the five story building behind me into this pile of rubble. just a few hours after we arrived on the ground we felt a 4.2 magnitude aftershock. and it gave us a real idea of the terror that people here are experiencing right now. the earth shakes and a mountain crumbles sending rocks and
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rubble towards this village about 30 miles north of kathmandu. a red cross team from canada captured the scene. the 7.3 magnitude earthquake the second catastrophic tremer to hit this mountainous nation in just over two weeks. this quake struck in the middle of the day, sending frightened residents rushing into the streets. in parliament lawmakers rushed to flee the assembly chamber. >> all of the building just emptied as literally hundreds of peoples, moms with their kids close to their breasts, men, young kids pouring out of these buildings. a lot of confusion, a lot of real anxiety. a couple of gentlemen i watched running back into buildings to try and rescue people. >> reporter: some weakened buildings crumbled like toy blocks.
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the epicenter was just east of kathmandu, about the same distance from the capital as the april 25th quake, which was west of the city. the latest one occurred about 9.3 miles deep which dampened the power of it according to the u.s. geological survey. the previous quake was more than five times stronger. it killed more than 8,000 people and left thousand morse homeless. >> i felt really scared this time. this time it was very big. and i was afraid that what happened to my house, something like hope nothing was happened in my home. so i just ran here. i was very scared. >> reporter: the nepalese government expects the death toll in this new strong aftershock to sharply rise wolf. and they say that's because they haven't yet been able to reach some of the more remote areas where they know there have been a number of building collapse home collapses, just like the one behind me on a saturday when many families were at home. wolf? >> tell us a little bit more about what it felt like to experience that aftershock.
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>> well the buildings around us started shaking. and you could hear all of the dogs in the neighborhood howling. that was something that really struck me. and that howling continued for several minutes. we could also hear people shouting. they were coming out into the streets. they were scared. some of them are actually still in their cars. they're choosing to sit in their cars. others just sleeping out in the open without tents or sleeping in sheds because they can't go back inside their homes, wolf. >> they're afraid the homes will collapse. all right. thanks very much. be careful over there. will ripley on the scene for us in nepal. let's bring in cnn's brian todd. he is talking to earthquake experts at the u.s. geological survey headquarters right outside of washington, d.c. brian, what are they telling you about this latest massive earthquake? >> wolf they're telling us it's a pretty freakish occurrence after a 7.8 earthquake we saw a few weeks ago. yes, they say smaller aftershocks are to be expected.
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many have occurred as will just reported. more than 100 have occurred since april 25th. they're all mostly in the 4 to 5 magnitude range. but we're told that a 7.3, there is a very low probability of that. maybe 1% or lower. now the question from there is what are the chances of an aftershock this big or bigger in the weeks ahead? i posed that question to mike planpeet the earthquakes hazard coordinator here at the u.s. geological survey. here is what he had to say. >> there will be something this big or bigger quite low. chances of one in several hundred, perhaps. much less than 1%. not zero. we can never rule out the chance of an earthquake. this area is prone to large earthquakes. it has large earthquakes over the decade and centuries. it has in the past. it always will. >> and we now have this just in from officials here at the u.s. geological survey. confirmation that there was just a 6.8 magnitude earthquake that struck off the coast of japan.
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it struck less than an hour ago at 5:12 p.m. eastern time in the ocean about 33 kilometers south of the city of ofunato, japan. of course to usgs their pager alert level for this earthquake off japan, wolf is at green, meaning there is a low likelihood of casualties damage or economic losses according to noaa, the weather monitoring agency in the united states, there is no current warning of a tsunami from this 6.8 magnitude earthquake that again just hit off the coast of japan. i do have to say on a personal note that ofunato is one of the townses that i and my team went to in march of 2011. that city had been leveled by that tsunami. so the residents there had to have been at least a little nervous when they heard of word of this earthquake this evening. but again, no tsunami warning issued for this one, wolf. >> all right. that's good news at least on that front.
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thanks very much. brian todd reporting. we're also following another major story. the high stakes talks between the russian president vladimir putin and secretary of state john kerry. their first meet in two years comes amid deep tension over russian aggression in ukraine. our global affairs correspondent elise labott is here working the story for us. how significant was it he was invited to go to sochi, rausch and receive quality time with the russian president putin? >> i think it's significant. first time really since the crisis in ukraine began two years ago, wolf. and they had very substantive talks. eight hours of talks the secretary held with the russian leadership. three hours with president putin alone. and the tone was much more positive. people i think on both sides realized that these countries need to work together after boycotting a parade that the russians had this weekend to mark the victory of russians over the nazis in world war ii secretary kerry boycotted that.
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but today he laid a wreath on the memorial to mark the victory of world war ii. and let's take a listen to how he said that experience moved him. >> sergei and i both came away from this ceremony with a very powerful reminder of the sacrifices that we shared to bring about a safer world and of what our nations can accomplish when our peoples are working together towards the same goal. >> well, there were no breakthroughs, but the secretary was pushing the russians for help on syria after working together for that agreement on chemical weapons. the u.s. wants russia to help get president assad to stop using chlorine gas against his people and end his support for president assad altogether now that syrian forces are having some losses on the battlefield. they also need wolf russia's help on iran for that nuclear deal. they want russia to stop the
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sale of that very sophisticated air defense system. the russians said that they're going to move ahead with that system. there was a bit of progress on ukraine. both sides agree that they would work together to help implement that fragile peace plan that was agreed to in february. and secretary kerry did hint that if some cooperation was seen on the russian side, that some of those sanctions could be lifted. >> all right, elise, thanks very much. elise labott reporting for us. let's get some more on all of this. joining us the democratic congressman john garamendi of california a member of the armed services committee. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. do you believe this visit by john kerry to russia he met with putin, met with lavrov, the foreign minister was productive? >> oh absolutely. you have to be talking. if you're not talking, you're likely to get into much much more deep trouble, and we've had plenty of trouble. the russians need to know very, very clearly in direct communication as kerry provided about what our position. also about what their options are to deal with sanctions and
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we've got work to do. we're still working very closely on the iran situation, which is extremely important to both russia and us and the entire middle east area. and of course syria remains out there. the world is rapidly changing and we need to be working at least communicating and hopefully find those areas where we can work together. obviously, there are very difficult conflicts ahead of us and we've got to talk about it at least, and find the path to resolving those problems. >> you heard elise report that kerry asked the russians to kill that sale of that air defense missile system to iran. the russians say they're going forward with it. we heard senator james risch of idaho the last hour say that's a game changer as far as the u.s. is concerned. what is your analysis? >> well, it is a major issue for us. if the iran program fails and we do not get a nuclear deal, then the next thing on the table is
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an air strike. an air strike against the president defenses that exist is possible and certainly will have some downside. but you bring that new air defense system in and it becomes even more problematic. so we do not want that air defense system in there. what we really want is a successful negotiation with iran. get them away from the nuclear weapons. move back to a different situation where they're not moving forward on a nuclear weapon. and then we don't have to worry about that s-300 air defense system. but it is a game-changer. it is extremely important. and we do not want it there as these negotiations move towards their conclusion over the next couple of months. >> are the russians going to cooperate with the u.s. in this war against isis? >> they certainly should. they're at much as risk as any place in the world. they have a very large muslim population. they have plenty of issues a long history chechnya other
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places where the muslim population is located. they've had very serious terrorism attacks, hundreds if not thousands of people killed over the last decade by terrorists, muslim terrorists mostly. so they should be very, very concerned. and in fact the leader baghdadi spent a lot of time in chechnya. they better be concerned and they ought to be working with us on that particular issue because they are at risk. >> we're getting new information, congressman about isis threats specifically against a couple or three u.s. military installations, bases in the united states. maybe one of the reasons why the u.s. military went on a higher state of alert. stand by. we're going get to this right after a quick break. we'll be right back. >> certainly.
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there is new concern tonight about terror attacks on u.s. military bases. republican senator james risch, he is a member of the intelligence committee just told me a little while ago that isis has specifically named some u.s. bases as targets. we're back with democratic congressman john garamendi of california. he is a member of the armed services committee. i know what, you have a couple of air force bases in your district congressman. senator risch says he knows at least two or three specific bases were targeted were mentioned by isis as targets. may have been one of the reasons why all the bases in the united states went on a higher state of alert in recent days. what can you tell us about this? what information can you share? >> well we do know that all of the military bases in the united states are many a much higher alert. the bravo alert that will
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continue for some time and maybe continue into the next year and beyond. we need to make sure our bases are secure. it's not just those who might enter the base with some nefarious activity in mind. but it could also be employees from the military to civilian that are on the base that we need to be aware of. we certainly saw this situation in texas, the tragic shooting that occurred there. so yeah, we have to be on the alert. we do know that isis is using the social media particularly twitter. and that's a problem for us. but we're also seeing twitter beginning to shut down some of these really radical twitter accounts. that's good. and they're doing it without the government telling them to do it. so we avoid the free speech issue. but twitter really has a responsibility here. and i want to see them continue to monitor and shut down those sites that are preaching this radical jihadism. also we need to understand that the use of twitter also gives
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our fbi and police agencies an opportunity to know where the problem is coming from. we're able to trace back where that account is and identify at least the location if not the individuals. and we know who they in the united states may be responding to those twitter invitations. and so we're watching this very closely. the local police, the fbi, other agencies need to be very much aware. and later to this week we're going to be voting on the usa freedom act, which actually rolls back some of the more onerous stuff that was in the national security act, the patriot act and provides some additional powers that are appropriate to deal with this kind of social media activity that is going on. >> you were referring that massacre in texas a few years ago at fort hood texas, where that soldier, that major nidal hasan went out and started killing fellow soldiers. and what you're suggesting is
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your fear is that could happen again? is that what you're saying, somebody being inspired buy these isis or al qaeda terror organizations? >> well it happened once. and it was tragic. and there were a lot of lives lost. so we should be aware. you should never forget the past. you got to remember history, recent history here and be aware. we know that there is enormous pressure on military personnel, and some of them will break under that pressure. so the military is watchful. if it's a wake-up call for them they're washful. they're looking and observing and dealing with the mental health issues that do occur. we know we have these men and women that are returning that have issues. whether they're going to attack their brethren or not, we hope not. but we need to be aware and we need to be providing the services to deal with the combat traumas that have occurred to more than almost two million
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americans that have been deployed for a decade or more overseas. so it's all part of what we need to do as americans to protect ourselves. the bases themselves they need to be aware. they obviously have increased their security and their observation. but the same thing applies in our communities. all of our communities need to be aware that this is going on. this invitation for radical jihadism particularly among the muslim community that have heretofore been very, very helpful in alerting the police agencies when they are aware or perceived that there may be one amongst them that is going on to the dark side. >> congressman garamendi, thanks very much for joining us. >> always, thank you. just ahead, we're watching a protest in madison, wisconsin right now sparked by a controversial decision in another shooting case. stand by for details for that.
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breaking news. a protest under way right now. madison, wisconsin, only hours after a controversial decision in yet another racially charged police killing. the district attorney there has decided not to prosecute a white
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madison, wisconsin police officer who shot an unarmed biracial teenager tony robinson to death. cnn's stephanie elam is joining us from madison right now. so what has been the reaction to the decision, stephanie? >> reporter: well you have definitely seen protests immediately after. i was in the room with the district attorney as he made his announcement what would happen. and it was a very emotional press conference in some ways. he was sweating profusely, and he spoke about the fact that he also comes from -- that he is biracial, that his mother is a black woman from alabama, and that she still worries about his own safety even though he is the first black d.a. in the state of wisconsin. he said that because of that he can relate to the situation, that so many people are angry about, which is right here in this gray and white building behind me where he talked about the fact that people feeling like police do not understand what it's like or the a young black man on the street. that said he did decide that there should be no charges filed. take a listen to exactly how he put it.
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>> i conclude that this tragic and unfortunate death was the result of a lawful use of deadly police force and that no charges should be brought against officer kenny in the death of tony robinson jr. >> and what we also have heard throughout the day, the uncle of tony robinson saying that he did not expect an indictment saying that earlier today and many people saying they did not expect to see that there would be any charges filed against this police officer. nevertheless there have been plenty of people who have been out here on the streets protesting holding up signs, and marching. and they are expecting more protests tomorrow wolf. >> it was really an emotional experience for this dane county district attorney. you couldn't help but notice every few minutes he would take out his handkerchief and wipe the sweat off his brow. it was obviously a very, very difficult decision for him.
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>> you could feel the tension that he brought. you could see him taking deep sighs before he started. the sweating was profuse. but i will say this. i did note that once he stopped talking about how he could relate to this personally as a biracial man himself, and he started talking about the law and the reason why he was making the decision that he was making he seemed more comfortable, still sweating but not sweating as much. but you could hear a pin drop in the room while he was speaking because there was so much emotion behind it. you could tell that for him this decision was far more nuanced than it may be for somebody else in his same shoes. >> it was a very, very dramatic moment. we were watching it live here on cnn when he made the announcement. stephanie, thanks very much. let's dig deeper right now. joining us the criminal defense attorney and hln legal analyst joey jackson the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. the cnn law enforcement analyst don lemon and cnn senior analyst
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jeffrey toobin. let me go around and get all of your reaction. don, first to you. what did you think? >> i think right now i -- my heart goes out to the family because i know they're grieving you know and one can only imagine that you're going to get something from this event to try to make it better some salve, some something. and then nothing comes of it. so first of all, i just want to say that my heart goes out to the family. and i think any human being regardless of what you think about what happened to tony robinson, you can't help but deal with that. but i would not want to be ishmail ozane right now. i know you said quickly. this is why i wouldn't want to be him. he said that right now, he said i would not- basically said it's not going to change anything when it comes to racial disparities or to the justice system. he said that it was based on facts and not based on emotion. and so he is walking a thin line. and he is in a tough position
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here because he is trying to appease a lot of sides. but he had to go with the facts of the investigation. >> what did you think, jeffrey toobin? because he disclosed a lot of information in making this announcement. >> well, this is really the legacy of what we've seen over the past year since michael brown died is that prosecutors recognize that it is not simply enough to say trust me i know whether a case should be brought here or not. and i thought he laid out the -- a very compelling case that this was a tragic situation, but it was not a crime. and i think by explaining the facts, by laying out in some detail his view of what happened he gives his office and his decision a lot more credibility. so i hope this becomes a model for prosecutors for how they explain when they make these tough decisions. >> joey jackson, what did you think? >> sure well, speaking of models on the wisconsin law, apparently the investigation itself is not conducted by the police department. wherein the person who was a
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police officer of that department actually committed or didn't commit a crime. so the investigation is independent pursuant to a law that just went into effect there last year. and so that certainly should give the community some confidence. more importantly, though we will get to know really what this decision was predicated upon not just from what the district attorney said wolf but because the law requires that that investigation be released. and so therefore we will all have an opportunity to see it to evaluate it to digest it. and then we will know whether or not it was really a sound judgment and decision. but certainly on the face of what he said, it appears to be. >> what did you think, cedric alexander? did he make the right decision, the d.a. there? wisconsin? >> well, the right decision is based on the facts that were presented during an investigation, wolf. and if those are the facts and he believes in them and the investigative trail led to where it led to and in this particular case, there is not going to be an indictment of this this community moves forward, i think
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it's important to understand this. regardless of whether he was indicted or not, and tonight that officer gets to go home he gets to relieve himself i'm quite sure of what he has been dealing with for a number of months. and my heart goes out to the family of the young man who lost his life as well. that community has to heal together. but here is the most important thing in all of this, wolf is that that community still has issues around police and community relationships. and they're going to have to build those bridges, build that trust and it has to start now, if it has not already started, because going forward, that community still is going to need its police and that police is still going to need its community. and that is going to be paramount going forward in that community. >> well said. >> all right, guys don't go away. we have more to discuss, including president obama. he is really opening up about poverty, race crime in america. we're going to assess what the president said today when we come back.
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jim? >> wolf the white house insists the president isn't spending too much time thinking about his legacy but he seems to be talking about it a lot lately, and he isn't holding back. added to that his selection today of chicago for his presidential library, which speaks volumes about how he wants americans to remember him. the closer he gets to the end of his time in office, the more candid president obama is becoming on the issues that will define his legacy, starting with the one topic he has been accused of avoiding race. >> i am a black man who grew up without a father. and i know the costs that i paid for that. and i also know that i had the capacity to break that cycle, and as a consequence, i think my daughters are better off. >> reporter: after overcoming those struggles, the president made it clear at a poverty forum in washington he now plans to pay those lessons forward, with some straight talk aimed at african american audiences. >> it's true that if i'm giving
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a commencement at moorhouse that i will have a conversation with young black men about taking responsibility as fathers that i probably will not have with the women of barnham. and i make no apologies for that. >> reporter: that frank conversation began only recently with my brother's keeper the group the president founded to steer young men of color to better lives. a mission mr. obama says deserves as much coverage as the recent unrest in baltimore and ferguson. >> and this will remain a mission for me and for michelle not just for the rest of my presidency but for the rest of my life. >> reporter: also more outspoken, michelle obama, who revealed at a commencement address last weekend her anxieties about becoming the first first black first lady. >> was i too loud or too angry or too emasculating? >> reporter: the president will complete his return to his roots by building his presidential library on the south side of chicago, where he started as a
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community organizer, a message he shared in this video. >> all the strands of my life came together. and i really became a man when i moved to chicago. >> reporter: democratic strategist donna brazile says the library will be a fitting reflection of the obama legacy. >> can you imagine a poor boy or girl that will one day be able to walk past that library and say he was our first black president, barack obama. >> not only is the president showing less caution in his language he is picking some risky fights on issues like the iran nuclear deal and trade. those topics plus a war on terrorism the president had hoped to end will all find spots in his legacy and perhaps his library, good or bad, wolf. >> a good report jim acosta. thank you. let's bring back our analysts. don lemon, what did you think about what the president had to say today? >> i really enjoyed what he had to say today. and i urge anyone if you can't see it, you should go and read the transcript.
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i know exactly where he is coming from. i'm not president of the united states but having a public platform where you can talk about these issues when he talked about you know being raised by a single mother and that him having been in a two-parent household, that that would make his daughters better. it's really a tough rope for him to walk because many people don't want to be feel like they're being lectured by the president. many african americans. but others want to hear that because they think it will improve the future for african americans and especially young black men, and of course women as well i also think it's -- which wasn't mentioned there he talked about the role of the media as well which i found very interesting, when he talked about conservative media versus liberal media, and how we often get it wrong on many occasions. and he would like to see the conversation handled in a different way. i would prefer that he not criticize the media publicly
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but i think there is some credence to what he is saying. and we can all take stock in what the president said. listen the president is a black man, as he said. he is the first black president of the united states. if anybody is going to talk about race and deal with this issue, it is the black president of the united states and he realizes now, as he is going out, that this is where -- this is his sweet spot. this is his bailiwick, and this is where he needs to make a difference when it comes to his legacy. and i say you know what? more power to him. >> is he trying to shape his legacy with these very personal comments? >> he is. but i'm much less interested in the future of barack obama than i am in the present of the united states. this guy is going to be president for more than a year and a half. i'd rather see him do something about these problems than talk about them in these abstract ways. here is a guy who has a lot of power. he could be -- you think body cameras are a good idea?
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you think mandatory minimums could be a good idea to get rid november prison? this president has used the power of pardon and commutation of people in federal prison less than almost any president in history. i just think more energy devoted to the present and the use of the powers of the presidency is a more important thing than reflecting what he may do over the next 30 years. >> jeffrey toobin, don lemon, guys thanks very much. on important note don will be back later tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern for his program, "cnn tonight." a lot more on this coming up. coming up here in "the situation room," chris christie some harsh words for hillary clinton. his exclusive interview with our own jake tapper. that's coming up. >> -- support legalization of mrj. but this morning a city i've never been to felt like one i already knew. i just wanted to thank you for sharing your world with me.
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he's not an official presidential candidate, but new jersey governor chris christie acting like one. he's visiting the key priempary state of new hampshire and talking about potential rivals jeb bush and hillary clinton. he spoke exclusively to the host of the lead jake tapper joining us live from new hampshire. what did he tell you? >> greetings from pembrook new hampshire. he haas done more than 30 town hall meetings in new jersey. he's doing his fourth at the american legion here in pembrook but he's hoping he will do well here in new hampshire should he throw his hat into the ring. he's talking about immigration, the state of the economy, but perhaps the most interesting answer from the interview i have
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with governor christie when i asked him about a question put to former florida governor jeb bush. jeb bush as you know was asked knowing then what we know now, was the decision to go to war in iraq the decision made by his older brother, george w. bush a mistake. governor bush didn't really answer the question. governor christie did. >> i want to ask you about another one of your possible competitors, jeb bush. he was asked the question about knowing then what we know now about the war in iraq would he have made the same decision jeb bush that his brother made. he answered a different question basically, knowing then what he knew then. but let me ask you the question. knowing then what we know now, no wmd in iraq et cetera was that the right decision to go to war? >> no, it wasn't. i think president bush made the best decision at the time giving his intelligence community was
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telling them there were wmds and there were other threats in iraq. i don't think you can honestly say if we knew then there was no wmd that the country should have gone to war. my answer would be no. i think what we got have avoid is continuing to go backwards. we need a forward looking foreign appallacy that talks about how to insert our policy. if we knew then what we know now, and i were the president of the united states i wouldn't have gone to war. but you know we don't get to replay history. >> interesting moment there where he said i want to directly answer your question because that's what i do. perhaps a slight dig at jeb bush. although certainly, governor christie did not mince words at all when i asked about immigration reform. he took aim squarely at former secretary of state hillary clinton. >> i know that when you went to mexico you didn't want to talk about immigration reform. but now you are entertaining the
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notion of running for president. and there are significant questions about whether or not, for instance there should be a path to citizenship. in a general view i know you're not laying out your immigration proposal now, but in a general view the 12 million or so undocumented immigrants in this country, should they have an ability to become citizens or would you think it's okay to have a second-tier status what hillary clinton called second class status? >> listen let's talk about secretary clinton for a second. the pandering going on by secretary clinton is really the thing that disgusts people about american politics. the fact is that all of a sudden she's had this epiphany that she wants to go to the left of president obama. i didn't know there was room to the left of president obama on an issue like this but that's apparently where she's headed. i'll give a thoughtful complete answer if i'm a candidate, but let me say this. what she's doing right now is
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typical of the type of pandering that people do when all they're trying to do is tell people what they want to hear to get their vote. then if they get power, they'll do differently. that's the same thing president obama said he was for this when he ran for president in 2008. he had complete control of congress in 2009 and 2010 and did nothing, absolutely nothing, to fix the immigration problem in this country. we need people to start telling the truth about this issue. let's have an adult conversation about it and let's let our politicians like hillary clinton run around the country pandering. >> he is trying to cast himself as the nonpolitician, the anti-politician. he calls this the tell it like it is tour up in new hampshire. he was just asked at the american legion about benghazi and secretary clinton's role. he said he thinks she has a lot of questions she needs to answer and when asked if he would bring them up if it was him versus clinton, he said if it's us two against each other, pop the
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popcorn and get ready. >> all right, jake. thanks very much. jake tapper reporting live. let's get analysis. join us gloria borger dana beige, and our senior political analyst, ron brownstein of the national journal. as far as jeb bush is concerned, sounds like a little dig at him. >> a little dag. it's like he's obtuse. didn't answer the question directly. i'm direct and by the way, i live in the present. i'm not a part of the past and then hillary clinton, whack. pandering. you know i'm the truth teller here. and by the way, john mccain had some success in new hampshire. he calls it the tell it like it is. remember the straight talk express with john mkccain? that kind of works in new hampshire hampshire. >> jake mentioned 50% of the new poll of republicans said they didn't want to vote for him. he pooh-poohed that. >> i wood too. i think one thing christie said
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that is absolutely true is what all the candidates are saying, even those who are haiyan the polls right now, which is they are not indicative of where the polls will be. we learned that in 2012. everything was up and down. the truth is that chris christy, if he does follow the strategy his advisers say he will keep going to new hampshire, the most accepting of a chris christie type of republican and a type of candidate, he could slowly move back up. when john mccain did it back in 2007-2008, he practically lived in new hampshire. he had a day job, but it's not the same kind of day job as being governor. it's hard to see christie spending that much time in new hampshire hampshire. >> let's talk about president obama. he suffered a serious setback. he has gone out the past several weeks trying to make a major trade deal in the pacific, but he was assaulted by fellow democrats in the u.s. senate today. >> this is one of the longest
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standing fishsures. it was rejected in the house. today, president obama had virtually all the democrats again on the other side. i think the key issue here is going to be the question of currency manipulation which democrats like chuck schumer want to be in the agreement, trying to pressure countries like china on that. the obama administration argues adding it to the agreement would make it impossible to negotiate the deal. i think a lot of democrats feel pressured to support a trade, but it's a mess and long-standing mess in the democratic party. >> what's interesting here is that president obama took on elizabeth warren personally on this. she's leading the fight against it. he said you know she's just another politician. clearly trying to open a lane maybe, for hillary clinton to perhaps try and navigate it and oh my gosh. not close, anyway but i don't
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think hillary clinton is going to wander into the lane the president wants. >> i think you would agree, a lot of democratic senators in states that find it very difficult -- >> walk us through what's going to happen. >> you're exactly right. i was on capitol hill today, standing outside the room where about 14 pro-trade democrats, these are the people who wanted to carry the president's water today, deciding no we're going to vote no. they did it just to kind of have a unified force on the democratic side. it's going to be hard for them to get it back up but it is possible. remember kind of take a step back. we're talking about the last two years of president obama's term. this is a major legacy issue. he was relying on republicans who he was working very closely with to the point where mitch mcconnell the senate majority lyder called it an out of body experience and it was the democrats who said no we're not going to let you do that. >> we'll leave it on that note. we'll see what happens. that's it for me. remember you can always follow us on twitter. tweet me. tweet the show.
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please be sure to join us again right here on "the situation room" tomorrow. you can watch us live or dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. protesters gathering in madison, wisconsin, at this hour. no charges against a wisconsin police officer who shot and killed an unarmed teen. that teen's uncle is "outfront." more breaking news. a missing u.s. helicopter six marines onboard. the search is beginning at this hour. plus the top deflategate investigator slamming tom brady today as brady's agent vows to fight that penalty with everything he's got. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, we begin with breaking news. protesters gathering in