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realize his potential. i'll speak with his momhe announcement matt kenny, will not face charges. >> i conclude that this tragic and unfortunate death was the result of a lawful use of deadly police force, and that no charges should be brought against officer kenny in the death of tony robinson jr. >> the family is conducting their own investigation and his mom said they plan to file a civil lawsuit. they said no doubt about it. they will do that. but first the details of the case and the night that led to tony robinson's death two months ago. >> it was the night of march 6th when madison police got a call about a man yelling and jumping in front of cars. he is identified as tony robinson. >> apparently tony hit one of his friends. no weapons seen.
>> four minutes later he has another call about the same person at a residence. >> tries to stapgle another patron patron. >> and then a police officer said shots fired. >> and that yelling caming from officer kenny who responds to the call. police say he heard commotion and entered and was hit by robinson giving the officer a concussion. a toxicology shows that robinson had thc and mushrooms and xanax in his blood. >> the officer did draw his revolver and subsequently shot the subject. >> kenny has used deadly force before and was exonerated of any wrongdoing. while there are similarities to ferguson both drawing protests there are also stark differences
in madison. unlike ferguson where there was release of police behavior. >> the police chief refused to speak about past law enforcement interactions. >> the fact that tony was involved in any kind of transgression in the past has nothing to do with this present tragedy. >> and stephanie elum joins me from madison. and at the press conference he detailed his evidence and his own background before announcing charges. >> reporter: definitely anderson. i was there in the room as he was explaining how he felt about this and how it was personal for him. he talked about the fact he is a biracial man and has a black mother from alabama that still worries about his safety despite he is the first black person to become a prosecutor in any
county in wisconsin. he was profusely sweating throughout the press conference but it did quell a bit when he talked about the law and less about the fact that he understands the relationship between lawsuit and young black men is nuanced at the least. >> and in terms of the protests how are they. >> reporter: there were protesters and right outside of where the d.a. held his press conference but you do see people come together peacefully and they are talking and marching but a very different tone than what we've seen in say, baltimore, and together in ferguson. >> stephanie, appreciate the update. for tony robinson's mother there is no easy day since march 6th. for six months she's been mourning her son and waiting to hear if the man who shot her will be charged.
and and re join -- andrea joins us. and the decision today not to press charges against officer kenny, what is your reaction? >> as we were listening we were holding out hope he would change his decision. i was almost sure he was not going to indict. the things that we heard, it is not accurate it is missing information. so i actually can't stay in the room. i'm heartbroken, and i'm angry. i'm more than upset. i'm almost something i can't describe right now. >> what in particular angers you. >> -- >> the way that things were spoken about my son. there was a lot of lack of information, the fact that his friends were the ones that called and the fact that -- they are trying to say that all of
the things that matt kenny claims happened they said within a 20 second time frame and we're sure it was an 18 second time frame and things do not add up and with the investigation that we've had done. it is just -- it was extremely upsetting. just the things that we know to make it look as if it is a justifiable homicide and it wasn't. >> you don't believe that the investigation conducted by the d.a.'s office was fair? >> no. and they did the investigation within two weeks, a two-week time frame the investigation was completed and handed into the d.a. i think they missed a lot of things. i know they missed a lot of things. and a lot of the story where matt kenny is -- his side of his story was contradicted from when
we first heard his supposed statement. >> do you plan on filing a civil lawsuit against the madison police department? >> absolutely. the things that have taken place since my son passed and the things done to my family to me is -- they've gone above and beyond to try to make sure they kicked me when i'm down. they have done a smear campaign against my child and against me since this all began. releasing things that were not even true against my son, knowing that it wasn't -- wasn't involving my son. he's a junior. it has been a disgusting -- disgusting view of my own city and things that i never, never imagined would happen to a person who just lost their child. >> for the people who have
protested and may want to continue protesting in madison, what is your message to them? >> we need to make sure that our voice is heard. they have pushed and pushed and are speaking on violence and continue asking when we're going to be violent and the only people that have been violent is the police. i would hope that everyone in madison that does want to protest, make sure you can have aggression without violence and have protests without violence. we can stand up and say we are done with this injustice without destroying ourselves or our own city and if we don't say something or make sure we stand up for ourselves, this will happen again. it has been proven. it is happening all over the country but it will happen here. >> andrea irwin, i'm sorry for your loss and i appreciate you joining me. >> thank you. >> joining me sunny hostin and
harry hough. sunny, were you surprised by the decision of the prosecutor? >> i can't say that i was surprised, because although he is the first african-american d.a. in madison, in all of wisconsin, he has investigated seven police officer shootings, and found all of the officers involved to have used appropriate force, justified in the use of deadly force. and so i'm not surprised at the result. >> are you reading that as being that he's unfairly pro-police or reading that as those shootings were all justifiable? >> i think it is possible to read it both ways. but my point is that he does seem to have a history of investigating these cases and finding all of the time that the officers' use of force was justified. what i did think was surprising
quite frankly, was the hey he outlined all of the evidence. i had never seen that before marilyn mosby did. maybe it is the missouri-by effect. >> do you think this is the way people will do this? >> i do. i think people are leaning toward transparency, outlining their decisions, and away from the grand jurors and away toward -- >> and that is the procedure in wisconsin any way. and people say it is a great step. >> and you weren't surprised? >> i wasn't surprised at all. an the fact that he's exonerated seven police officers and you are assuming some of the shootings were bad, based on what? >> it is unusual for that many officers to be involved in one jurisdiction fatal shootings and that this particular officer was involved in two fatal --
fatal shootings and exonerated in both. >> i don't know the statistics what him -- with him -- and i saw it based on what i was reading -- >> and the fact there was xanax, mushrooms -- >> right. >> -- and marijuana in his system unarmed, does the presence of drugs, by an officer, one of them thought he was tweaking and there was the thought of meth and you didn't hear that involved does that ratchet something up? >> yeah. you are thinking super human strength. some of the guys have almost super human strength and they can fight someone off -- >> marijuana isn't. >> marijuana isn't but mushrooms are. and the mix of drugs in his body
together probably created him to turn into a maniac -- >> you know what harry, i'm so tired of people accusing young african-american males of having super human strength. >> the drugs can very with well do that. [ overlapping speakers ] >> using deadly force right away. >> his own friends called and said he was dangerous. >> there was a report that he had allegedly struck a friend. but we've heard this before. >> have you faced anybody like that. >> i've been around people on drugs, yes. and guess what they don't sprout super hero capes and are able to fly. >> have you fought someone like that. >> yes, i am. >> and the strength is unbelievable. >> and when you talk about the officer-involved shootings i don't understand why we are
training the officers to de-escalate situations they seem to involve -- >> this was a violent situation. he to go into that room -- >> and this was an unarmed person. >> and as you know as a former district attorney you know the other person doesn't have to be armed for the officer to shoot. you have to feel your life is in danger, anderson. and now when we have any white police officer shoot a black man. >> any police officer. >> no we're talking white officers here. that is what this whole argument is about. you think it is because a black officer shot somebody black. i don't think so. >> they should deescalate. >> you can't de-escalate somebody acting lie a monster. >> he is a super hero and a monster. and that is the problem with our police officers today. [ overlapping speakers ] >> a home invasion robbery, this guy went into a home where
people were living -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> one at a time. >> this police officer had no idea. >> you're making excuses for bad behavior. >> i'm not making excuses. i'm trying to explain is the attitude with officers on the street -- >> but sunny can -- this occurred whether you believe the family 18 seconds or 20 seconds. >> he fired seven shots in three seconds -- >> can't something be deescalated in that time? >> absolutely. >> no. i can tell you she's never faced anybody to make a 20 second investigation -- >> no. i haven't. but i've investigated. >> and some people have de-escalated -- >> absolutely. >> if they had a chance. he heard someone screaming up there and he thought someone was getting hurt up there. that officer should get a medal for not waiting for back-up and going up there and saying to himself -- >> a medal for shooting an
unarmed -- i don't think it is appropriate to give a medal to shoot an unarmed young man on drugs. bottom line is we need to train our police force and have body cameras on the police officers. >> i agree 100%. >> and he could have waited and called for back-up. >> no. that is our job. when it is life and death situation, you go in no matter the circumstances. >> sunny hottin harry houck, thank you. and set your dvr to watch ac360 any time. and more earthquakes in nepal. and also a represent that was helping with relief efforts has gone missing, six marines were on board and we have the latest in the research results for that.
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more breaking news. a powerful earthquake has unleashed a new round of devastation in nepal and india. more than a thousand are now injured and the dem toll is expected to rise this is two weeks after the mammoth quake that killed offer 8,000 people in the region and today it was the same story as frightened people rushed into the streets. many only recently begun to return to their homes. a lan slide was caught on video by a red crosstreme. large after shocks. today a u.s. military helicopter went missing carrying six marines. in a moment i'll talk to jim sciutto about the search for them. but first will ripley joins me from nepal. what is it like there on the
ground now? >> reporter: people are waking up and seeing what was once a five-story building now a pile behind me. a lot of the stories weakened by the first quake, they collapsed when the large after shock hit earlier and since we arrived we felt two after shocks one overnight that woke people up. it was scary. you can see what people are going through, worrying into people will shake again. >> what about the relief? are getting peopling what they need? >> versus days after the crews came with the first krut. the roads are closed and it is a difficult process. it is dangerous terrain and only specially trained pilots can get in there and so it is slow. >> and you have people sleeping outside. what laps when monsoon season
begins? >> reporter: that is the real worry here. we walk a couple of blocks down the street and we met with a family and they ran out during run of the after shocks and they are sleeping in a motorcycle garage and they have people with tents out in the open and sleeping in cars and when the rain comes that will complicate the situation because local authorities haven't come up with a permanent plan for building shelters for people. it is a difficult and a hard situation now and it will get worse when the monsoons start. >> will i'm glad you were there. and as i said there were six marines that went missing in today. and jim scuitto joins me with that. >> it was in a remote part of a village and they said there is another village nearby so they went to that village and that is when contact was lost. there is hope in the u.s.
military this was a landing rather than a crash. there was a nearby nepal helicopter saying there was a fuel problem and there were some sightings on the ground and the hope is day just breaking there and the search allowed to continue in the next hour the hope is to find them in this time and this is not a crash and the pilot took a decision to go down at that point and get through the night and sort out the problems in the morning. >> and i understand the search did have to be suspended overnight and they should be back in the air searching by now? >> they should be up, about an hour and a half ago and nepalese army were marching closer to the sight and to be clear, in the country they have a para-rescue unit and if they have a remote location that could be
parachuted in and help climb them out with ropes if need be. but there is optimism and hope in the u.s. military not for sure but there is hope they landed safely. >> let's hold on to that hope. and a woman reunited with a daughter 49 years after she was told her baby didn't live. and now others are wondering if the same thing happened to them at that same hospital all those years ago. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile,
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welcome back. it is a reunion story unlike any you've heard before. a woman told her newborn baby died finds out 49 years later that her daughter is actually alive. when they were finally able to meet it was joyous to say the least. incredible reunion. the back story issin incredibly troubling. and now dozens of other women are asking if many things could have happened to them many years ago at a same hospital. >> zella jackson price has
mourned a baby girl who a nurse told her died hours after she gave birth to her. >> diane was born november 25th 1965. >> diane. the name zella jackson game to her daughter born to this hospital closed down in 1979 and now the site of a senior apartment complex. zella never received a birth certificate or death certificate certificate, it was like she never existed. >> did she ever say do you want to see her. >> no they didn't. >> and another girl was born the next day, adopted, wondering why her mother gave her away. she lost her hearing when she was ayounger and she found out
what happened after her adoptive mother got very sick in the 1980s. >> before she died she was afraid to tell me that my mom was alive and told her that i forgive you and i love you. >> and a search would begin. and as melanie closed in on her 50th birthday her children zoned in and said this to zella jackson-price. >> and i know you don't know, must my mother was adopted and her mother's name is zella jackson. >> sher daughter did not die. this is zella's daughter. and a dna has proven it. melanie melanie's children surprised her by setting them up with a video call so they could see each other for the first time since they found each other. >> we're telling you the truth. she's alive.
>> mom, mom, mom, mom. >> oh, my gosh i'm shaking. oh my gosh mom. >> it's okay. >> that's your mom. >> mommy. [ crying ] >> and then melanie flew to st. louis to meet her mother in person. >> oh, my gosh oh, my gosh! >> and when you hugged her, tell me the feeling you had? >> oh, baby it was warm. i didn't want to let her go. and she is so precious. >> homer g. phillips hospital was the only hospital for african-americans until the mid 1950s and continued to serve the black community until it closed. it has a proud history. but what happened to this mother and daughter has raised deeply unsettled questions, questions that are being asked by many
other families. >> this is the mother of daneen washington. >> as she was born june 24th, 1964. >> the mother of marreesa ann berry was born on. >> june 26th, 1963. >> both babied born at homer g. phillips. these mothers and others have come forward to be told by nurses their children died and not given death certificates and not allowed to see their babies afterwards. >> they told me my daughter had died after i delivered her and i really felt that she had not died because i heard her cry and i also seen her mom. >> i heard her cry. and then they -- i looked up and they said here is your baby and they were standing at the foot of the bed with the baby wrapped unand we have to take and -- and we have to take and put her on
the machine and they were gone. >> did you ever see her again? >> no. >> i was told that i didn't need to have a baby and my parents didn't need another mouth to feed. >> when asked for release.hospital records -- >> why do you think they lied to you at the hospital? >> because there were black families that wants to have children and couldn't have children and they marketed to the families that couldn't have them. >> i was associated at homer phillips hospitals from 1960 through 1979 when it closed. >> dr. mary has practiced for 51 years and now retired she specialized in paidy attics and said all of the young doctors are now dead. >> if the mother was still in the hospital and the baby died
you would tell the mother and not leave it to the nurse. >> no. >> and you would offer a chance to hold your baby. you won't say you can't see your baby? >> no. not at all. >> the hospital said they will give saul records they are able to recover to the police department. and no many are dreaming to an ending like zella and melanie's. >> that is my baby. that is my child. >> you became a mother at the age of 76 years old. >> i got a new baby. >> it should go in the guinness book of world records and i'm registers at macy's and dillard's, she wears a size 12. >> that is unbelievable story, gary. gary tuchman joins me now. what are their plans now they
are back in their lives. >> the daughter had separated from her husband and she made the decision spent almost all of her life in oregon and she is taking one of her daughters and moving to st. louis to be closer to the mother she just discovered zella. and when i say close, i mean close, she moving in with zella. she was supposed to be with her in 1965, it took until 2015 and they will live in the same house and melanie has five brothers and sisters and turns 50 the day before thanksgiving so you can imagine the festivities in that house come thanksgiving. >> what a reunion. thanks for that story. and just ahead, jake tapper's interview with chris christie who was back in new hampshire. the iraq war, bridge gate the presidential plans, they covered it all.
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on. >> that is right. we touched on bridge gate sand immigration reform. but it was the question about a different candidate being asked a different question that illicited the sharpest and most interesting response. >> i want to ask you about another one of your possible competitors jeb bush he was asked the question about knowing then what we know now, about the war in iraq would he have made the same decision jeb bush, that his brother made. let me ask you the question. knowing then what we know now, no wmd in iraq was that the right decision to go to war? >> no. it wasn't. i think president bush made the best decision he could at the time. given his intelligence community was telling him there were wmd and other threats in iraq but i don't think you can honestly say if you knew there was no wmd, my
answer would be no. >> you were cleared by the u.s. attorney on the bridge gate thing but i do want to ask you because there did seem to be a sense of acceptability of retaliation. did this cause to at all to think maybe i did set a wrong tone? >> no. obviously i did spend time thinking about that jay, because it is an obvious question. i'm accountable for what happened because i'm the governor and it happened on my watch. but you can't be responsible for the bad acts of some people that wind up in your employee. >> there are significant questions about whether or not for instance there should be a path to citizenship and the 12 million or so undocumented immigrants in this country, should they have the ability to become citizens or is it okay to have a second tier status what hillary clinton called second class status. >> let's talk about hillary
clinton, the pandering going on is what disgust people about politics. that all of a sudden she had this ep evany. she wants to go to the left of president obama. i didn't know there was any room to the left of obama. and i'll give a complete candidacy if i'm going for the president of the united states. but this is pandering for people to get what they hear to git they are -- to get their vote and we need to tell the truth and have an adult conversation and not have politicians like hillary clinton running around the country and pandering. >> we saw the governor there taking a stance at the iraq war, how much of an aim was that dividing the line between him and jeb bush. >> if you listen to the full comments in the interview, he
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and after just 11 minutes of bidding this picasso became the most expensive painting ever sold at auction. >> at christy's $160 million, sold. >> the total cost with fees almost $180 million to an anonymous buyer. >> it comes as no surprise that the moets art of 20th century painting should sell for $120 million. >> it was painted in honor of his friend henry mattis and told last for $39 million. >> it is a masterpiece and a berth mark for the artist. >> and also pointing man sculpture fetched $141 million, the most ever for a sculpture at
auction. >> at $126 million, for the pointing map. >> megarich buyers have deemed art a good investment. last year wynn from the casino painted $102 million for this painting and this painting sold for $120 million. and then private sales. this year this paul goingan painting told nor nearly $300 million. and what zp one -- does one do for a $100 million painting, well for the 1% of the 1%, it comes with bragging rights until the next art auction. >> our senior editor jerry plarjs joins me tonight. and this seems like a beautiful
painting but is it a crazy price? >> it is a crazy price. and it is a beautiful painting. there is a paradox. the few of very few that about 11:48 that you see beauty value, photo paintings all smashing together. listen in 1997 this painting sold to a saudi collector for $31 million. that collector kept it in private in an apartment in london in so it is one of the great masterpieces ever of picasso certainly and never been in punt view. that is the other paradox. all of the work they are applausing and happy about, it is disappearing forever. >> you went to see it almost reluctantly, given the circumstances, but because this may be the last time anyone can
see it until it is sold again and who noves when or if that will be. >> i totally agree. although i wrote about this -- this brilliant woman taking me around sara freedlander, when i worried about that she said don't worry, it will be back again soon. that is what people are doing now. >> eclipsing these paintings? >> yeah. and that is where it gets tricky with the global market and news that the picasso price is up and the other 29 records and the people that want that work and that own it will converge on the market. in the planet of 6 billion people you only have to find one person that will go the extra million dollars higher. i think auctions are nasty
pieces of work. >> and can museums even compete? and the benefit of the museum buying something is it's open to the public and the public can enjoy this along with long segments of the population. >> boy am i on the same page with you. that is the real number one issue because museums can't possibly compete with these kind of people. it is not -- not remotely. a million dollars might be a year acquisition budget. you're talking about tens twenties hundreds, 200s will be next and art and money have been good and slept with each other since they met, but museums, anybody watching this you are probably the odd person out. >> jerry salts, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. i love the show. >> maybe if that didn't make you
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frenzy it. could only be someone with lustrous gray hair and so dapper and with such global star power and whose hair matches perfectly with his chiseled vase whose hair said it is really me and just take a deep breath and everything will be okay and there is only one person who fits that description? seriously? george clooney. fine. fine. amazon said he has the dream hair of countless men in oourp. big deal. put cleany and -- clooney and me side by side. we're like twins. i'm like the newt. who was in ocean's 11? the guy to the left. and i haven't always had gray area. this is from early in my career back when i was covering watergate and also a rody for
flock of seagulls. no my hair now is not a wig, it is not a toupee or a sprayon hair. it is not even gray. i think it is super. >> this is great. my wife has herself a new guy now. i'm impressed. >> that looks good actually. now is a good time to mention you should not consider this to be an endorsement of sprain-on hair and back to george clooney and his perfect hair and i don't want to brag there are other silver foxes and icons of pop culture who i've been compared to over the years. clint eastwood for example. i get mistaken for him all of the time which i'm very happy about. especially when i'm in my gym clothes, bench pressing punks. you can't tell the difference. same wild hair and wild eyes and
distracted smile. neither of us stay in touch with mitt romney by the way. thank you. and then of course there is dick van dyke. that is who i get compared to? i should be so lucky. look at that hair on mr. van dyke or if i can, i will call him dick. he is my spirit animal. i start with diagnosis murder and a song from mary poppins and we arrive here my doppelganger and one is mee and one is abe bag odda. and it is the hair. and it is just too similar. and to answer your tweets yes, he is just alive. i just googled him. he is 94 years old. god bless him. he is 94 years old. god bless him. and this is not going away and cnn if we are not nothing, we
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