tv CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello CNN May 13, 2015 6:00am-7:01am PDT
now in the the "newsroom" "newsroom". >> a disastrous mess. >> disaster on the tracks when an amtrak train derails in philadelphia. >> things start flying laptops, and people. >> they are in horrible shape. >> a handful of people dead and more than 100 in the hospital. >> so many head injuries you know and bloody faces. >> what went wrong? also an urgent search for a u.s. military helicopter in nepal, six on boardboard delivering aid. where could it be? executed defense minister taken out with an anti-aircraft gun. what is going on in kim jong-un
inner circle. good morning. i am carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. a vital travel in connecting some of the nation's largest cities instantly transformed into a deadly jugger not. and a train violently whipping around those inside. >> i think in that moment when i was tumbling i thought this might be there is no way to know in the darkness. so just being able to start thinking was lovely. >> this is surveillance video capturing the deadly moments at the top of the screen and the cars whip by and then you can see disaster strikes. a flash point of terror as all 343 people on board are flung
about like luggage, and half of them rushed to hospitals, and six of them are dead this morning. so many dramatic pictures streaming in to cnn, and words don't measure up. let's look at the images for now. ♪ cnn has mobilized it's vast resources on this story, and the correspondents and experts are standing by to walk us through the many layers so let's talk about what happened and what we know right now. sara sidner is at the crash scene. >> reporter: ntsb has made it to philadelphia, and we have been seeing investigators all night long working into the daytime now, into the morning here and
down at the tracks. i want to give you an idea of where we are. we are standing on a roof here of the css international business right next to these tracks. earlier today we were able to go into their office because they had surveillance video, and i want to give you a look at the surveillance video first and then i will show you the crash site from our vantage point. this was taken as the crash happened as the derailment happened. what you are seeing at the top of your screen you will see movement there, and that's the train itself going at whatever speed it's going, and nobody knows quite yet, and that is being investigated, and even this you will see flashes of light, at least three, one after the other after the other after the other. that's the moment the train cars left the track and started smacking into each other creating a horrific scene, when you look at the mangled metal, and we know six people died in the wreckage.
there are dozens of people who have been hurt. when you look at the actual wreckage and talk to some of the folks, they can't believe there were not more people in more dire straits, because some of it looks nothing like a train car normally looks. it's all bent in all different directions. i will move out of the way here so you can actually see what the site looks like right now. right now you can see investigators standing on the tracks. what you will see there is that is the accident seemed to have happened right after the bend there, that sharp turn. it was going northbound towards new york to washington, and there were 243 people on that train, including the crew, and you can see the last train there, the last car, it is leaning all the way to the right, and beyond that that is where you can see the most damage where things are crumbled and they don't look or resemble an actual train car.
a devastating scene certainly, and for families for a while there, they were unable to figure out where their loved ones were because cell phones were left on there, and people were scrambling to try and get out. we heard from some of the survivors that it was very confusing, and it's easy to get confused when all of a sudden the car that you are in has toppled over or is upside down, and you have things flying through the air, and people were flying on top of each other, and broken bones, and we know the six people have expired because of this. we know the investigation is very much underway and it has been since the wee hours of the morning. you can say large amounts of firefighters and crews getting here to make sure people get to safety. >> it's just unbelievable. sara sidner, thank you so much. this bit of news just in a mid
shipment the train was coming from washington and as you know the u.s. navel academy is in annapolis, maryland close to washington, d.c. before we get to our renee marsh, i want you to look at the accident scene. the front car where the engineer and conductor drive the train remains up right, and both did survive. the second car was a charred mess. it was reduced to a twisted heap of metal, and i would expect the passengers that expired were in that second car, and the third and fourth were on their sides, and the fifth and sixth and seventh car was upright but derailed. was the train going too fast around the curve?
is that what investigators initially think? they just don't know anything right now? >> reporter: carol, what you said they just really are not coming out and saying what the cause is at this point. i do know they will be looking at speed as one of the many factors. i just got off the phone with the ntsb they do have part of their team here and the second part of the team is about 30 minutes away. when they are altogether they are looking at speed and they want to interview the crew, because that is going to be critical. what was their work schedule leading up to the shift? were they alert? was everything okay? will they be able to perhaps give investigators information about any problems they recognized with the train itself? these are all questions, the mechanical issues and the
tracks these will be things investigators are going to look for. they will look for critical event recorders. that will tell them how fast the train was going, and did anybody press the brakes, and when did they step on the brakes. those are all little pieces of information that will form this big picture as they try to figure out what went wrong. we know as sarah said as this train, according to passengers onboard, people said they felt the train slow down and get rocky and that's when we know some of the cars jumped the tracks carol. >> i know the fbi was sent to the scene, so i want to get that out of the way right now, investigators don't believe this was sabotage of any kind correct? >> reporter: at this point they are not saying that you are right. the fbi deployed here but there is no indication that there is any connection to terrorism at this point, and there are multiple investigations not only the fbi but the federal
railroad administration on site doing their own investigation, but the lead here is going to be the ntsb. >> all right, renee, we will get back to you. thank you so much. onboard, chaos. listen to how one witness describes the moment a calm train ride turned to catastrophe. >> i was eating and the next thing you know the train starts doing funny things and then it gradually gets worse and worse, and then just chaos erupts and things start flying phones, laptops, and then people seats, trays start flying and you hear like metal mangling and it happened so quickly you didn't even know what was going on. the next thing i know i look up and there is two people in the
luggage rack above my head two women got catapulted there, and i didn't see it happen and i didn't even know. the train was at a 30-degree angle down where i was, and i was wedged into the window underneath the tray and the seat was turned. in the back shoes, everything flown there, and just complete chaos. when we got out, we saw the train, it looked like a pretzel, turned and twisted, and just wires were ripped out and electrical live wires, and it was just chaos. >> hard to believe how people got out of those cars because, you know it's completely dark when something happens to the train's electrical system right? some of the train cars were on their side so some of the passengers had to crawl out of
the windows to get out. we're going to be exploring more about how the passengers got out and if there were proper evacuation methods put into place, and we will examine that later in the show. this happened along the busiest passenger rail line in the country, and the northeast corridor spans from washington, d.c. to boston. let's bring in alicia at new york's penn station. that was supposed to be the final destination of the train. good morning. >> reporter: that's right. it's the busiest train hub in north america. this is a vital intersection for many passengers and there has been disruptions across the northeast corridor as you mentioned, and disruptions here in penn station. i grew up in new york and went down into the station this morning, and normally a very busy time and passengers clearly got the message last
night and didn't even bother showing up this morning. the few passengers that i spoke to really didn't have an alternate route to get to philadelphia this morning. we talked to several of them who were just wondering what they were going to do because amtrak over the pa system were saying they were not providing alternate routes to philadelphia, and we don't have any visibility of what travel will look like in the coming days, and it comes at a time when there is a decreased demand for rail especially in the northeast corridor amtrak and they saw a record number of passengers last year, and there will be questions about infrastructure and whether the infrastructure along the corridor can handle the kind of capacity it has seen in the last couple years, and how recent increases will tax the system. >> it's interesting, christina, because at 10:00 a.m. eastern
time the house appropriations committee will meet you know and this was planned, of course before the train accident happened but on the agenda lawmakers are considering cutting amtrak's budget by hundreds of millions of dollars, and we will see how that will go at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. thank you. i'll be right back. unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus.
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investigators, of course remain on the scene of the amtrak passenger train derailment. we understand six people died as a result of the accident. 25 people remain in the hospital. more than 100 people were injured. we don't know exactly why this train derailed. maybe it was coming around the curve too fast we just don't know. maybe it was because of the infrastructure we don't know. there is a news conference scheduled at 11:00 a.m. eastern time, and hopefully we will get answers from that. let's talk about other news this morning. a beautiful execution in north korea. the defense minister fired by an
anti- defense gun. he was seen dozing off at a military event. his latest is a string of purges under kim jong-un's reign. they may tremble in fear of him. cnn's kathy novak is in seoul with more this morning. >> reporter: we are talking about a very senior figure here. he had been in the upper ranks of the military since the kim jong-un's father and he survived the leadership transition and went on to be promoted through the ranks to hold the senior position of
defense minister. recently we saw him at a conference in moscow speaking publicly, and just last month on april 29th we saw him mentioned in north korea state media, so no indications at the top until today these reports coming out of south korean intelligence he had been publicly executed. kim jong-un is trying to create an atmosphere of fear around him. 15 senior officials have been executed this year. cnn has spoken to one of the highest level of defectors, and he claims hundreds have been executed since kim jong-un took power three years ago. of course with any of these claims coming out of north korea, it's difficult to verify and there have not been
confirmations of the latest execution, but the defector is telling us he believes there could be a advantage at the top of the leadership within the next three years. the fear is any potential for instability, and this is a state of nuclear weapons, and who has control over those, that's a major concern in the region. still to come in the "newsroom," air force paratroopers searching for a u.s. military helicopter that has gone missing in nepal with six u.s. marines on board. right now that aerial search is coming to an end. the sun has set here and there is still no word on what happened.
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again, we're going to take you back out to pennsylvania shortly, but as you can see, investigators, they are just trying to figure out what happened surrounding this huge derailment near philadelphia. six people died 25 remain in the hospital. we'll take you to the scene shortly. first, an all-out search going on from the air and on the ground. six marines and two nepali soldiers on the helicopter taking aid supplies to earthquake survivors. the 7.3 magnitude quake has
killed at least 94 people and injured nearly 2,000. will riply is in katmandu. hi will. >> reporter: just within the last few minutes the final helicopters landed for the day, and it's night as you can see here. the visual search for this missing marine helicopter has come to an end, but on the ground there are nepali soldiers. i checked in with the u.s. military and they say as of right now there has been no confirmed sighting of the helicopter and no communication with the crew, and we have gone one full day of searching and nothing. that is discouraging news for not only the u.s. military here but also the troops in nepal and those from all over the world that tell me they are sad to hear about the situation. these helicopters are conducting dangerous work, and they are
flying in rugged terrain and the weather conditions could be dangerous at times, and the worry that this helicopter may have gone down, and people are hoping it landed in an area where it doesn't have the ability to communicate and they are hoping everybody is okay but right now, carol, they simply don't know. >> there is the possibility the helicopter landed somehow, and it's very rugged terrain, so it takes a minute for people to get anywhere right? >> reporter: it does. it does. it's hard without showing you and without getting up in a helicopter to see how difficult it is to not only hike through these areas and to fly through the areas. in the himalayas, the weather conditions are unpredictable. we were talking about a pilot that was going to deliver relief supplies and they had to turn around because the clouds are too low.
you are trying to conduct a search and dealing with the elements it could take time. these are highly trained soldiers and they are prepared to survive if their helicopter goes down and they have to wait a while to be rescued, so the search is continuing in force, and they will be back up in the air when the sun comes up tomorrow, carol. >> we'll be right back. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue.
good morning. i am carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. a big chunk of the nation's biggest rail corridor is shut down after the derailment of a amtrak train and all seven of its cars. passengers describe a jarring impact. 149 people injured, and that's more than half aboard the train, and six people confirmed dead and among the dead a mid shipment from the naval academy in annapolis, maryland. and investigators are searching for the cars of the derailment and dozens of investigators are canvassing the scene, and family members still searching for their loved ones and we just got word from the family of rachel jacobs. her picture is on the screen and rachel remains missing this morning. they believe she was onboard
that train. if you know where rachel is and if you were on board and saw her, get in contact with cnn. actually producers, do you know who to get in contact for help for rachel's family? we will work on that. we will put a number that you can call up on the screen shortly so you can help the jacobs' family. here is the hotline number. 1-800-523-9101. you can call amtrak or contact cnn if you know anything about rachel jacobs. and chris cuomo is at the scene. good morning, chris. >> reporter: this is still a very active investigation going on. in fact it's in its early stages because the urgency has not passed. we have not heard from authorities that all 243 people are accounted for yet, and we know at last count six people lost their lives and 140 people
have been spent to the hospital and some are still there, and the big headline is not everybody has been accounted for, and that's going to slow the investigation, because right now they are still bringing in heavy equipment behind us to move some of the cars and see what is underneath them and see what is still among a lot of the twisted wreckage here. many of the people working the scene overnight, and at least some of them said to us they have never seen anything like this carol. it's going to take time in the investigation, and information is going to be slow. >> i would assume the engineer and the conductor survived the crash and i would assume investigators are talking with them? >> reporter: we are told they are able to interview the crew and they also have a black box, not unlike what we hear about in planes that will be able to tell them about speed, and speed is an obvious consideration and there's things cutting against that. while these trains in the tphaegs northeast corridor they can go
over 100 miles per hour but not in areas like this and so this train shouldn't have been at maximum speed, and that's one of their considerations. another, carol, this stretch of trail that is now in ribbons was the site of a crash in the 1940s that killed 79 people, and there will be a comparison there and what they size up with the wreckage as well. >> we appreciate it chris cuomo. here to talk more about the investigation, forensic audio expert paul ginsberg and he worked at various agencies including the cia and fbi and department of homeland security. we have pictures of the crash site i want you to take a look at. you can see from the pictures the first car remained upright. this is the car where the engineer and the conductor drive the train, so to speak. they survived. the second car completely
incinerated, its wheels upside down and the fifth, sixth and seven car remained upright but derailed. can you determine anything at all about what happened from these pictures? >> well carol, that's a tantalizing piece of evidence. what it indicates is that the derailment likely occurred at the head of the train, that the engine itself might have been the first car derailing so you would look very carefully at the under carriage of the engine in the second car to see if there were any atphauplnomalies with the wheels and you would focus in on that specific point to see if there was a break in the track or whether it was crossing the switching area or if there was something on the track, perhaps, but it does point you towards
the front of the train as where the events started. >> peter, the second car looks charred. it's absolutely gone. there is nothing left. it doesn't even resemble a train car. what do you suppose happened to that car? >> you can't tell. obviously it was some sort of a fire but it raises a broader point, carol, which is the survivability of the passengers inside the cars. these are 30 to 40-year-old railcars and there has been tremendous advances in the design of railcars since then and the center in massachusetts has really laid out innovative engineering steps that make railcars safer and survivable for passengers in a wreck. these cars didn't incorporate that. the ntsb will look very carefully at the injuries and how railcars can be designed so people have a higher chance of
surviving without a fatality or serious injury. >> paul i assume when that train crashed, the power went out in all of those cars. it's completely dark. of course this accident happened at nighttime. how do you suppose the passengers were able to get out? >> well that's a good question. it is a good thing that the local motive survived because that's where the black box will answer questions that we have with respect to this event. that box not only records date and time and gps location speed and so on but it also indicates the different control settings, the throttle the brakes whether the horn was sounding in other words, whether the
engineer had knowledge of what was going on. >> you said the black box was located in the first train where the engineer drives the train, so that probably survived. >> i just wanted to add, there is front-looking video as well as external audio, but there is no audio or video from the cab of the train that is recorded so we don't know what happened inside the cab, but we do know what was on the tracks if anything and the conditions. >> gotcha. wanted to show peter, one more image we have. this is taken from one of the back of the train cars and the curve is called frankford junction and if you were looking at that right now, all of the evidence right now points the train was traveling too fast
because the passengers said they heard squealing as if the brakes were being shoved on and then there is the sharp curve, peter, so initially what does that tell you? >> you don't know. it was a 50-mile-per-hour limit on the curve, which is not particularly slow. the event recorder will give us the precise speed that the engineer was operating at, and it's going to be something that is looked at very carefully at the beginning. we consider speed because of the tragic accident just outside of new york city not too long ago on metro north where the engineer was either dozing or distracted where he entered a 30-mile-per-hour curve at about two and a half times the speed, so they certainly will look at that but it's too early to tell.
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war? >> no it wasn't and i think president bush did the right thing at the time giving that the intelligence was saying there was an wmd, and we knew then there was no wmd, the country should have been no and what we have to avoid is to continue to go backwards and we need a forward-looking authority, but i want to directly answer your question because that's what i do and if we knew then what we know now and i were the president of the united states we would not have gone to war, but we don't get to replay history. >> he was slamming a comment from jeb bush. >> knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would have and so would have hillary clinton, just to remind everybody, and so would
everybody confronted with the intelligence they got. >> facing harsh criticism, bush backtracked the comment saying he misinterpreted the question. we have more on this from washington. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. >> let's talk about chris christie and his chances for a presidential bid, is he a viable candidate? >> he thinks he is and even though his wife came out and said it's disappointing some of his enthusiasm has drained away. i talked to folks in iowa new hampshire, and south carolina, and in iowa he has candidates there, potential candidates much more attractive, and in new hampshire, the state he is betting it's new hampshire or bust for chris christie he said he had ahead steam but he has frittered it away and on the
ground there in the last couple of days he is trying to regain that and regain some of the spotlight and some of the momentum. >> if he is able to regain the momentum of course, he is an established republican and he is attacking jeb bush on an issue that conservatives and liberals raised eyebrows there. >> he said he mis interpretinterpreted that question and jeb bush is always going to have the george w. bush both bush legacies hanging over his head, and you see christie joining in the frey. >> i found it interesting to
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again just so you know we're expecting a live news conference at the top of the hour. the philadelphia mayor, michael nutter is expected to give us a briefing on this amtrak derailment. when mayor nutter takes to the podium we'll take you there live. the house appropriations committee is meeting on a transportation bill focusing on funding for amtrak. a subcommittee has already approved a version of that bill that would pave the way for millions of dollars in budget cuts to amtrak. right now funding for amtrak is 1 hadn't $1.4 billion a year. the house appropriations committee wants to slash it to 1.13 billion. let's talk to the pennsylvania republican on the house
transportation and infrastructure committee. welcome, sir. >> carol, thanks for having me on. >> i suppose we should say there's no relation. i admire your last name of costello. >> i admire yours. i wish we were able to chat in more fun ways but my heart goes out and i'm sure yours does and the entire cnn community and those who use the amtrak corridor every day. i came down to washington, d.c. from wilmington yesterday on the amtrak line and i intend on going back home tonight on the amtrak line. this hits very close to home for myself and a lot of folks in southeastern pennsylvania. >> i don't know if many in the nation are aware of this, derailments are not unknown to amtrak. in 2012 there were two derailments. 2013 there were three derailments. 2014 there were six derailments and this year 2015 nine
derailments so far. what's going on? >> well the short answer is we're going to find out in the weeks to come what specifically happened here. i would like to add a couple more statistics to what you just outlined. there are 2,000 rides per day on the amtrak northeast corridor. 2% of the nation's land mass is in the northeast corridor yet 18% of our population and 20% of our gdp relates back to the northeast corridor. investing in the northeast corridor making sure that it's safe is critical. you put up statistics at the beginning of the segment about some who seek to reduce the appropriations for amtrak. i'm not in that camp. i can tell you that right now. if that bill shows a reduction when it hits the floor, myself and others you will see amendments to make sure that there is stable funding on the northeast corridor. if we're not investing in our
safety for the northeast corridor we're not doing what we should be doing down here. we need to have confidence that it's a safe route. >> absolutely. i think that -- for a long time there were some republicans on capitol hill who said they want to privatize amtrak and the government should no longer be involved in subsidizing the railroad. what do you think about that? >> well i am a republican. i disagree with the notion that we should privatize it. i would also say that if you look at the northeast corridor we just passed a bill a month ago headed to the senate keeping profits in the northeast corridor. there is a capital improvements backlog for projects in the northeast corridor. if you look at statistics we just spoke about, clearly there's a need to improve safety along the northeast corridor. there's a lot of projects.
that may not even be related to what happened. we don't know. we want to make sure the ntsb the fra, d.o.t. everyone else investigating this has the time and resources to find out what went wrong. even separate and apart from that we need to invest in our passenger rail system across the country but particularly in the northeast. it's a critical piece of the economy in the northeast part of our congress. >> kopgcongressman ryan costello thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. there are still some passengers missing from that terrible derailment from that accident near philly. her family needs information about what happened to rachel. on the phone right now is a friend and colleague of hers. good morning. >> good morning, carol. >> tell us what the family is
asking. >> just for information. i think they're frustrated that in this situation that there's someone that we can't find. >> has amtrak helped? >> no. >> when the family calls, what does amtrak tell them? >> one, it's difficult to get through and, two, they don't have her on the list. the difficulties arrives from the fact she was traveling on a pin trip ticket that doesn't require you to have a reservation reservation. she got on the train without having any record of her being on the train and would not be on record until they scanned your ticket and that probably hadn't happened yet. >> you can get on the train and not pay until you get onboard. where was rachel headed? >> home. she lives in manhattan.
>> you're sure she got on that train? she called the family? >> that's the best indication. she texted her husband saying she was about to board the train. everyone leads us to believe she got on the train. >> you don't know what car she was in or anything like that? >> we don't. >> what are you asking people to do if they recognize rachel? >> her picture is on the television. what we would love is they contact us by sending e-mail to my e-mail. >> can you repeat that and spell the last name? >> karlarrrennent.com. >> thank you. i hope we're able to help. the best to you and thank you for joining me this morning. the next hour of "cnn newsroom"
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin with breaking developments out of philadelphia. any minute now the mayor, michael nutter will speak about that deadly amtrak train derailment. we'll bring that to you when it happens. daylight is bringing a horrifying view of the deadly amtrak train derailment. the violent impact throwing one car on its roof. several tilting to the side. others zigzagged across the tracks. we're learning that mid shipment from the u.s. naval academy were killed. pictures from inside the train show passengers tossed around. some crawling their way to safety. other bloody victims needing to be carried away.