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dvr to record "out front" to watch our program any time. i'll be back here same time same place tomorrow night. in the meantime "a.c. 360" with anderson cooper begins right now. good evening, thanks for joining us. a very full night tonight including the first eyewitness account from someone who was inside the restaurant in waco when the shooting began. you'll only see it here. we begin, though tonight with breaking news. take a look. the search under way right now for this man. daron wint is his name 34 considered armed and dangerous, wanted in the quadruple murder of a washington d.c. couple their 10-year-old son and housekeeper in their home in a wealthy part of the district. savvas savopoulos wife amy, and housekeeper veraliesa figueroa were killed. police have the suspect. daron wint. he once worked for savopoulos. reason to believe he's fled here to new york. this is a very fluid story at
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this hour. a lot could change in the coming hours. pamela brown in washington. deborah feyerick on the scene in new york. first the latest from pam brown. >> reporter: major break in the case came wednesday when atf forensic specialists recovered wint's dna on a pizza crust according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. a nearby domino's franchise says it delivered pizzas to the home that night and left the food at the door unaware the family was bound with duct tape inside. >> it is incredibly brazen. it shows an element of calm that the person didn't feel rushed. >> reporter: investigators say savopoulos' assistant dropped off around $40,000 in cash to the family's house but the assistant was apparently told not to come inside. this as we learned more grisly details about the murder. phillip savopoulos had stab wounds and was burned beyond recognition. >> a sadistic killer. a son might have been used as a
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tool to make sure the parents were compliant. >> reporter: we learned days after the brutal murders daron wint left d.c. his girlfriend told police he fled to new york on a bus last night according to a source familiar with the investigation. >> every law enforcement officer across the country are looking for him. i think even his family has made pleas for him to turn himself in. >> reporter: we're learning more tonight about wint's past. he served briefly with the marines but left before completing basic training. he's had numerous run-ins with police and more recently worked as american iron work the construction company where savvas savopoulos was ceo. >> does not appear this is a random crime, that there is a connection through the business of the suspect and the savopoulos family business. >> again, pam brown joins us now. the police are learning more about the suspect. he has a pretty violent previous criminal history right? >> reporter: yeah, that's right ands anderson. he's had several run ins with police. over the past several years he's
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been arrested for domestic violence assault, as well as theft. according to court records we've been looking at in 2010 he allegedly threatened a woman and her 2-year-old daughter. he threatened to kill them. he also allegedly smashed through the car window the windshield of that car and broke in through this woman's apartment to steal a television according to court documents. also that same year apparently a prince georges county police officer encountered him behind a dumpster and he was allegedly carrying a machete as well as a b.b. gun. these are just charges. he only had one conviction anderson for misdemeanor assault, but now he is facing felony first-degree murder while armed. this massive manhunt still active. he is still at large, anderson. >> pam brown, appreciate the update. i want to talk more about that manhunt that's very active now. as we said it's playing out here in new york. you heard from the chief of police in washington d.c. saying police around the country are looking for him but it's really zeroed in on new york city right now.
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deborah feyerick joins us from brooklyn. what's the latest on this? are authorities really narrowing it to brooklyn at this point? >> reporter: well what they do know is they have very strong connections to the brooklyn area. what we do know police believe some time after the murders the suspect traveled to the brooklyn area. he's got friends, he's got relatives. he's also got a girlfriend. that girlfriend was picked up this morning for questioning and she told police that apparently the suspect said to her that he was going to surrender. well he's not surrendered. he's still at large. he was using a cell phone, but now it's believed that he's ditched the original phone and is using a different cell phone. they're not quite sure where they are, but we can tell you u.s. marshals are aggressively looking for him as are police here in new york as well as the washington d.c. area because there's a possibility that he may try to travel back there. but right now, they simply don't
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know where he is and clearly he's not yet surrendered. >> deb, this is all moving very fast. do we know how police were able to find the girlfriend and connect her to wint? >> reporter: well it appears that they were tracking his cell phone, and through the cell phone and through records, they were able to establish the fact that he did know somebody here in this area and that was one of the things that led them to believe that he was in brooklyn. again, he does have friends, he does have relatives. they're obviously investigating the possibility that he may be seeking shelter, may be hiding out with one of them. but right now they're really not trusting the girlfriend very much because her story keeps changing so it's not clear whether he's here how long he was here, if he was here how he got here. so all of that right now under very extensive investigation, anderson. >> but the latest you'd heard is that he had come by bus yesterday? >> reporter: that was one of the things that authorities were investigating, that he traveled to the new york area by bus. he doesn't have a vehicle.
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and it's -- there's a possibility now that he may have somehow commandeered a vehicle to get away from this area. again, all we can tell you is all of that right now is under investigation. there are a lot of people out there hustling trying to find this guy. >> no doubt about that. deborah feyerick thanks. joining us now former nypd detective, new cnn law enforcement analyst, harry houck. and tom fuentes. and kelly knight joins us as well. i don't want to give away operational details. use your judgment on this. >> right. >> in a case like this you know talking about a massive manhunt, how do police go about it? does every officer have his photo out there? >> definitely. every officer probably in the city especially in brooklyn every single unit has got this photograph. they got all the information about this guy. even if he changes the way he looks, you can see the one picture shown right there when he's in the yellow top there you can see this guy's face. very distinct face. undercover officers are out
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there. you've got areas where he might have been known no frequent before when he was in new york. you got detectives out there making phone calls. i mean i think, you know we got this guy in a tight net right now. >> it's interesting, know because, i mean when i heard everybody has his photograph, i was skeptical about that. just last week when the guy with the hammer attacked the police officer, all police officers had that guy's photo and those two officers recognized the fern from the person from the photos and followed the person. it works. >> it definitely works. police are on servant. they can see somebody. i used to be able to tell a guy from the back of his head looking at the front know toephoto. this is personal. this guy tortured and killed a 10-year-old boy in the most horrific way you can imagine. every cop feels the same way. they want this coward and want this guy tonight. >> tom, do you think that he acted alone? do you think there could be adix dix additional suspects? authorities haven't ruled that
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out yet. he's the only person -- at least there's only one person seen in the security camera footage leaving, running away from the house. >> i think it's just hard to tell with that anderson. i mean, you know you look at the build of this guy, the muscles, it appears he would have had enough ability strength wise to take control of two women and a child and then buy holding them threaten the father and get the father to comply and ask for the money and do whatever else that he was demanding they do. that he does. but, you know if he had somebody else with him, he'd have to share the money. maybe he decided afterward he didn't want to share the money and maybe the other person you know notified the police and helped accelerate the ability to find him and make the dna match. we just don't know that at this point. >> kelly, the suspect, he erased the security camera footage at the house. set the house and car on fire. left behind pizza crust apparently, according to authorities, with his dna on it. what do you make of that? >> well it's interesting that
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he made some attempt to try to eliminate the forensic evidence by erasing the home security video and trying to burn the home and burn the car, but he left some of the forensic evidence behind which tells me that he may not be as knowledgeable about the success rates that we have with forensic evidence as he may think. it also tells me that there's a good chance that there's probable some forensic evidence that may still be left behind. >> you know harry, a lot of people don't think -- this is a takeaway for everybody on this -- when you have a home security system oftentimes the recording device is -- it's not in a safe or anything. it's not locked away. it's accessible if you are inside the home. >> exactly. a lot of times it's not working. i've had cases, we have security in our house here but camera hasn't been working for months and nobody fixed it. what's really interesting about the case, though, is $40,000. that amount of money. all right? somebody had to tell him about this $40,000. how could he have found out? he used to work for this guy
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before, all right? he doesn't work -- they didn't say he worked for him now. how would he find out about this $40,000? i don't think there was anybody else in the house that day. i think he went there before the husband got there and took control of the first set of hostages in order to be able to control the husband who was supposedly a karate expert. and he didn't want to have to fight him, you know and fight three other people at the same time. >> tom, in a case like this, how often to you find that there is is -- there is a connection it is not just sort of a random home invasion that there is some sort of link? >> well i think that you know that you do have it very often that leads this person to pick that house. what we don't know to harry's point is with the employment we haven't heard when did he work there? how long did he work there? what were the circumstances of him leaving the company? was he fired? did he have some reason to dislike or hate the ceo? you know because you see a level of torture and psychotic behavior at that house -- i'm sorry, psychopathic behavior at
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that house that may go beyond picking up $40,000 and just go to want to torture that family and punish you know the father. >> and, again, the idea of ordering pizza in the midst while you have people held hostage, it's a pretty cold calculating thing. >> a typical psychopath. kills people torture them brutalize them, have dinner no problem. >> kelly, when a house has major fire damage such as this how difficult is it to get dna fingerprints in burned areas of the home? is it even possible? >> well it really depends on the quantity and quality of dna that's left behind. from what i've read it seems like the fire was primarily isolated to the second floor as well as the attic. so that tells me that there's a good chance that there is a lot of evidence that possibly remain not damaged on the first floor which would be -- which would be one of first areas where you would want to try to collect some of the evidence. if there were some areas where they were collecting evidence where there was a fire exposure
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again, it really depends on the quantity and the quality of that actual dna sample that they're obtaining. >> all right. >> obviously fire damage can significantly degrade dna, but if you were able to obtain a portion of the area that wasn't burned you could still get a profile. >> obviously the vehicle, itself, was lit on fire. kelly nooilgknight appreciate it. harry houck. tim fuentes. the suspect at one time worked for mr. savopoulos. the details we're learning about the family and family businesses. a story that might redeem your faith in humanity. meet the people behind the rescue of this infant child. people saving lives and risking their own in the chaos that is syria. dr. sanjay gupta got the exclusive, and you'll be glad he did.
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as the search intensifies in new york for daron wint the grief only deepens in washington for savvas savopoulos wife amy, son, phillip, and housekeeper, veralicia. the daughters were away at boarding school. we spoke on monday with the other housekeeper who mr. savopoulos texted and asked not to come in on the day of the murder. >> so when you got that text were you thinking that that was strange or unusual to get a text like that? >> yes. >> what did you first think when you got it? >> i called her right away. >> did she answer? >> no. >> how many times did you call? >> just one time. >> when you heard, though that they all died in that house, tell me what you thought. >> i almost have a heart attack. >> as we mentioned at the top, investigators are talking to her and many others. they're covered a lot of ground including family business
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dealings here and we're learning tonight overseas. more on that angle now from joe johns. >> reporter: 46-year-old savvas savopoulo strks savopoulos was president and ceo of american iron works. running that company was just the tip of the iceberg. savopoulos was a martial arts hobbyist and was involved in starting a martial arts studio in virginia. according to one source the $40,000 his murderer is believed to have gotten away with was earmarked for that martial arts project but his business and property ventures went far beyond the beltway. and we've learned that he had another company here in puerto rico. an office in this building is the headquarters of a financial services firm called sigma investment strategies. according to the company, savopoulos founded the firm in 2013 was its ceo and regularly traveled here to san juan. a close business associate says
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savopoulos wases working on making puerto rico the permanent residence for himself and his family. he also owned a second home in the virgin island of st. thomas and owned land in st. croix according to local news reports. back in d.c. the savopoulos family seemed to live a charmed life. their 10-year-old son, phillip, attended a prestigious all boys school. they were philanthropists giving at least $100,000 to the national cathedral school and the family regularly attended services here at st. sophia greek orthodox cathedral according to the "washington post." sadly, it is also where the funerals for savvas amy, and phillip will be held. they're survived by two teenage daughters who were away at boarding school when tragedy came to their home. joe john cnn, washington. >> can only imagine the horror they're experiencing. in addition to just being awfully sad. this case is also sadly familiar
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to many people who watched it play out. almost eight years ago, you might remember two killers invaded the pettitte family home in connecticut. what they did shocked the entire country. when it was over a mother two daughters had been tortured raped and murdered. the house was torched. the father though badly injured managed to escape. he will never be the same. the two murderers were eventually caught convicted and sentenced to death. david produced an hbo documentary on the case called the cheshire murders. he joins us now. there are a lot of eery similarities in these cases. sort of the family setup, the fact that people invaded the home. and actually spent a lot of time there. >> yeah i mean, it even goes further than that. because both crimes really had a financial motive. you know, the cheshire murders, they held the parents, held the mom until the morning. took her to the bank in order to withdraw $35,000.
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here, you know daron wint held the family until the morning and had the dad deliver $40,000. they're eerily similar. someone breaks into a home holds a family hostage waits until the morning, gets the delivery of the money, torches the house and runs. you sprhave to wonder, i don't think copycat crimes happen often, but this has strange similarities. >> do you believe there may have been some copycat element to it or this man may have looked at the previous case? >> i used to be a prosecutor. you look at the history of crime. there are few copycat crimes. maybe some spawn some imitators. this has so many similar elements and what daron may have tried to do is not make the one mistake that the pettitte family killers did which is take the mother to the bank and leave her alone in the bank which would have tipped off the cops. in this case they held dad inside dad texted his assistant who brought the money. so was he -- did he learn from this case? because i don't know of any other case quite like this.
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>> in your investigation to the pettitte case do you know how chaotic was it in the home? because you know we hear this guy, wint ordered pizza. >> yeah. >> it indicates a level of control and calm. >> yeah. >> was that the same situation in the pettitte home? >> it was very much the same and terribly scary to think about. in the pettitte case all three women were tied to their beds and kept there an entire night as the two intruders roamed the house, one case with joshua sexually abused the 11-year-old. we don't know what happened and cause of death is yet to be released here which is going to tell us a lot. >> right. >> there are stab wounds there are blunt -- there's blunt trauma. so this almost certainly didn't happen in the last few moments of the night, so something awful was going on slowly methodically and building to this terrible crescendo. >> just awful. david, appreciate you being on. thank you very much. new developments also to report in the death of freddie gray. late today baltimore state's
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together, we're building a better california. today president obama denied that the united states and its alleys are losing the fight against isis in the middle east as isis made new grounds. the last syria/iraq border crossing controlled by syrian troops fell today to isis. that victory comes a day after isis routed the historic city of palmyra, site of spectacular ancient ruins in danger of being blundered or destroyed all together. it's the first time isis seized an entiresy from syrian government forces. today isis seized the airport
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and notorious prison on its outskirts and now control more than half of sere wra. think about that. half of the entire country. we're not even talking about iraq. the conquest of palmyra comes days after they seized ramadi in anbar province sparking mass exodus of civilians you see there. barbara starr joins me with the latest. it's pretty stunning the advances they've made. incredible gains for isis. what's the latest? >> you know anderson, behind the scenes in washington a lot of worry, a lot of concern. the u.s. intelligence community looking at all this and wondering where it's going. what they're watching for is is there a tipping point? is isis able to match so much firepower, so much combat power? could they push assad out of power finally in syria? what would happen in syria? would there just be a bloodbath? would there be massive instability? yes is the answer. they worry about that. they worry about what's
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happening in iraq they worry about the future of baghdad. a lot of warnings from the intelligence community, but what we're not seeing is a change in u.s. strategy. continued air strikes, continued support for the iraqi forces. but ramadi really now the lesson learned. another case where the iraqi forces by all accounts simply packed up and left. you can train the iraqi forces but if they're not going to stay and fight, what are you going to do? president obama is not putting u.s. combat boots on the ground. anderson? >> the last time i was in baghdad everyone fwas saying there, there's no way baghdad, itself will fall there's no way baghdad will fall. are there growing concerns about baghdad? you have troops isis in fallujah and ramadi. >> 70 miles away. you are spot on. there is concern. the conventional wisdom, you know in the public arena is look you know isis stays to its sunni stronghold it's not going to risk going to baghdad,
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it doesn't have the firepow e to go to baghdad, they'll never do it the shia will rise up. they're just never going to do it. got to tell you, people i am talking to in the administration again, watching this very carefully, they are worried there will be a new round of isis terrorists attacks inside baghdad, and watching for that mass of potential isis combat power. could they get on the road could they try and go to baghdad? that's where really the problem comes in for the obama administration. they simply cannot let baghdad fall. >> yeah. >> anderson? >> a lot of american personnel in baghdad, itself. barbara starr, appreciate. thank you. syria's civil war now in its fifth year has killed some 300,000 people according to human rights groups. the entire neighborhoods and cities reduced to rubble. we've seen this now for years. tonight a "360" exclusive, rare inside look at a group of courageous syrians who risk their lives every day to save their fellow citizens. they're called the white helmets. volunteer first responders who travel to southern turkey for training and return home to wait
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for the next bombs to fall. sadly they don't wait long. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta embedded with them to watch them in action. here's his exclusive report. >> reporter: you're watching an extraordinary rescue in aleppo, syria syria. for 12 hours these men have been digging and drilling. and they're about to save a life of a 2-week-old baby. the baby save your known only by the iconic protective gear they wear on their heads, in an area of the world bursting with too many men in black hats they are the cavalry. the white helmets. >> they have all chosen, they have all chosen to risk their lives to save others. and that makes every single one of them a hero. >> reporter: james is the architect of the organization. >> in syria, there is no 911 system. there is nobody that you can
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call. you can't pick up a phone and call a fire service. you can't call a local police department. they don't exist. >> reporter: so this group of ordinary syrian men and a few women have organized themselves to fill that void. he was once a black smith. he, a barber. amad, a detective. he was supposed to get married next week. but for the time being, they have left their previous jobs. their previous lives. and now volunteer to run toward when everyone else is running from. [ speaking foreign language ] we're traveling along the border between turkey and syria. we're with the white helmets. they've just gotten a call. we want to see exactly what they do. this is all part of an intense training to become even better. even faster.
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all of a sudden this area filled with smoke. there is concern that there may be another bomb or another attack coming so they've asked for all the lights to be turned off. they don't want to be a target themselves but you can see just how challenging that makes their job. the concern is that. the white helmets tell us this video is of a barrel bomb being hurdled from a chopper by the syrian government. as you see, they can be wildly inaccurate. as you hear, they are incredibly vicious. a barrel bomb dropping on your house is like a 7.6 order of magnitude earthquake 50 times a day. >> reporter: these bombs are so malignant, full of explosives rebar, wire nails. anything else that can brutally maim and kill. but now the white helmets are concerned about a newer enemy. chlorine gas. they were able to save these
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children but believe chlorine gas led to the death of a family of six. >> helicopters normally carry two barrel bombs. and they drop the first barrel bomb which then explodes and the pilot then remains in the sky circling where the explosion took place waiting for a crowd to gather and waiting for rescuers to come to the scene. when a crowd gathers, they release the second bomb. and that is a double. >> reporter: 84 white helmets have now been killed. mostly by doubles. it is why syria is one of the most dangerous places in the world and why being a white helmet might be the most dangerous job in the world. and yet they go on. 2,600 have saved the lives of 18,000. how long more does it go on do you think?
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>> one day at a time. >> reporter: because for the white helmets, another day is another chance to save a life. >> incredible risks that they take. that was sanjay gupta reporting from southern turkey. just ahead, we have breaking news. new threats tonight against texas police from biker gangs, alleged plots involving car bombs, grenades and molotov cocktails. plus a waitress who was inside the twin peaks restaurant in waco during the deadly brawl is speaking out for the first time in a "360" exclusive.
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quick update on our lead story. the search for washington d.c. quadruple murder suspect daron wint. this is a 2008 mugshot of him we've gotten hold of. this is the first time we have seen this image. we're showing it to you because he is believed to be out there.
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there's a massive manhunt on the way. he's believed to be armed and dangerous. he's about 5'7" 34 years old. as i said i want to repeat, considered armed and dangerous. he may have fled from washington d.c. to brooklyn new york. frankly, he could be anywhere at this point. we're going to continue to follow this obviously throughout the evening, bring you any updates. meantime, there is more breaking news. late word of new potential threats against texas police officers in the wake of the deadly shootout in waco. a bulletin has been issued warning about claims that criminal biker gangs are arming themselves with some serious firepower preparing to retaliation. cnn's evan perez joins me with the latest. what more do you know about the alleged threats? when i talked to the sergeant last night i think it was, he seemed to be kind of backing off some of the concerns for police officers. that clearly though seems to have changed. >> well anderson this is a new warning that came after the earlier one that police had previously warned about which was that there were biker gangs
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that were possibly headed to wake yoeco waco. this one issued by the texas department of public safety and warns about members of the ban deed bandito and black widow gangs, with molotov cocktails c4 explosives and lists cities where law enforcement officials could be in danger including austin houston, dallas. the biggest cities in texas obviously. now, according to this bulletin, these gang members are out for blood and they're specifically targeting law enforcement because they believe their quote/unquote brothers were targeted by law enforcement in that twin peaks melee, anderson. >> all right. evan perez, thank you very much. we'll continue to follow that as well. today police in waco said they've actually recovered fewer weapons from the scene of that deadly brawl than they initially reported. they found more than 300 weapons, not more than 1,000 as they claimed yesterday. members of five biker gangs had gathered at the twin peaks restaurant for a meeting when
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the brawl erupted. tonight in a "360" exclusive, a waitress who was inside the restaurant is speaking out for the first time and a former co-worker, a bartender who quit days before the shootout. our gary tuchman has the exclusive interview. >> reporter: two women who worked at the twin peaks restaurant. one of them a waitress who was there when the shots rang out. amy who doesn't want her real name used doesn't want her face shown for her safety. she says the trouble started in the parking lot of the restaurant. >> at first it seemed like it was just a simple fistfight. >> reporter: were they yelling and dreaming? ingscreaming? >> there was yelling. you couldn't hear exactly what they were saying but could hear a little bit. >> reporter: amy says the bikers within on a patio outside of twin peaks that fits about 100 with standing room only. >> next thing you know you hear the first gunshot go off and a couple fired after that. >> reporter: what are you thinking? >> thinking i didn't know what -- i honestly didn't know what the hell was happening. i didn't know if gunshots were going to come flying toward the building or if they were going
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to be going back and forth between who was shooting. there was a lot of screaming. you hear all of us oh my god, what's going on like just start streaming and take off running to the back. some of the people were arming like down squatting and running at the same time or crawling to the back. >> reporter: employees and some customers hid inside a walk-in refrigerateor and freezer. you walked into the refrigerator. how many people were in there with you? >> with me there were seven waitresses and then one customer and, like, six or seven, maybe eight of the kitchen staff and back of house staff. it was pretty scary. bauds we because we were like -- the refrigerator where we were we actually had the racks to move in front of the door to barricade ourselves, so if anyone were to come in trying to actually get after everybody like we were at least protected. >> reporter: but what were you does discussing while you were in the refrigerator with everybody? >> if we were even going to make it through. >> reporter: amy says about 10 or 15 minutes bikers outside the
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refrigerator some of whom ended up being arrested told those in the refrigerator the coast was clear. you walked out of the refrigerator in a line. >> yeah. >> reporter: your hands up. who told you to put your hands up? >> the police did. as we were going through, like somebody in the front was told put their hands up. they passed the word back. we were passing it back to each other. >> you went out with your hands up. must have been very relieved. >> a little bit but it was kind of nerve-racking having guns pointed out of you while walking out of the building. >> reporter: by the police? >> uh-huh. >> reporter: veronica williams left her job as a bartender a week before the shooting. it's your opinion, though the police gave your bosses fair warning, possibility of big-time trouble? >> yes. >> reporter: veronica was working in the restaurant last month when cops came to talk to the bosses. tell me what the police officer told your managers. >> he said there was conflict between some of the clubs, the motorcycle clubs and it, you know would be in the best interest to not have any biker events. >> reporter: but events continued to be held. the top manager at the waco twin peaks did not return our phone calls. today, amy is grateful to be
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alive. >> i'll look back at it just like, we're all beyond blessed it wasn't worse than it already was. >> gary tuchman joins us from waco tonight. have waco authorities asked to talk with amy, the waitress still employed by twin peaks since the shooting took place? >> reporter: shortly after the sunday shootings here anderson amy was talked to by the police. a brief interview about ten minutes. they haven't asked to talk to her since. she is aware she can be called as a witness for an eventual trial or trials and that's one of the reasons she doesn't want her face to appear on camera. it's ununderstandably a little nerve-racking for her. both these women are very nice people who are very shaken up. >> i'm wondering, gary what's the vibe like in waco? obviously for media this is a huge story. waco does it -- are people talking about it? does it seem something people are worried about? >> reporter: yes, people are stunned. they're very used to bikers here and so-called biker clubs. there's a lot of motorcycleists around here. you see them all the time. nothing like this has ever
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california oil spill worse than first thought, five times bigger than experts first estimated. cleanup crews are working in 24 hours a day to help birds drenched in oil and clean up oil. officials are now estimating 105 thousand gallons of crude oil leaked from a ruptured pipeline. it's equivalent to the volume of water an average american home uses in one year. simply put, it is a big mess and it turns out the pipeline operator has a long record of problems. sara sidner tonight reports. >> reporter: the evidence of the habit the oil spill has caused shown all over the bodies of the five pelicans and sea lion rescued so far. magnitude yet to be assessed to the other beautiful creatures.
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company responsible for this mess plains all american pipeline. >> skimming vessels so far have recovered 7,770 gallons of an oily water mixture. >> reporter: it turns out the company has a checkered history when it comes to its infrastructure. in 2010 the company and some of its subsidiaries agreed to spend $41 million to upgrade 10,000 miles of crude oil pipeline. as part of a settlement with the environmental protection agency and justice department. this after violations between 2004 and 2007 for 10 crude oil spills in texas, louisiana, oklahoma, and kansas. and just last year a rupture sent 10,000 gallons of oil flowing onto a los angeles street. its record in the top five worse for infractions compared to other similar companies. the spill affecting santa barbara's coastline, one of the worst here. what does the company say about at thaul? that? we asked.
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500 barrels. what does that mean? how much oil is that? >> approximately 42 gallons to a barrel so that would be 105,000 gallons. >> reporter: initially you said 21,000. why the huge jump in the amount? in that was a worst-case scenario. the 500 barrels ss would be 21,000 gallons as you point out. >> reporter: what do you say to the public that's angry about this spill and your record when it comes to problems? >> again, we deeply regret what has happened and will continue to work with the federal, state and local agencies to mitigate this incident as quickly as possible. >> reporter: the governor of california deemed the spill a state of emergency to assist with the oil cleanup. in the lush city of santa barbara, the reaction loud and clear. >> get oil out! get oil out! >> reporter: what are your thoughts? what does that do to you? >> it's heartbreaking and the gabiota coast is a global ecological treasure. there's not many places like it throughout the globe, and for it to happen there is extremely significant in the sense of what that could mean long term in terms of impact.
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>> sara sidner joins us from santa barbara. did company representatives ever directly answer questions about their prior record? >> reporter: you know we asked three or four different times, some other reporters asked three or four different times. they never really answered the question. they kept coming back to that same nonanswer. we will continue to try to get answers, and anderson i just want to let you know, right now you can really smell this. it's giving me a little bit of a headache. you can see it. i mean, it is very clearly still on the beach. there's still a lot of cleanup to do. that caution tape stopping people from going down to the beach. this beach is going to be closed for seven days. this is rufefugio beach, a beautiful slice of life near santa barbara city. it's a lovely place people like to visit but whoenton't be visiting it any time this week. >> when companies just repeat nonanswers, it makes it seem like they think everybody else is stupid and isn't going to realize they're not answering the question. i'd rather they say, look, i'm
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time now your the ridicu-list. for the past few days we've been paying tribute to the one and only david letterman. last night was his last show. if you couldn't stay up that late you've probably seen clips today. it was amazing. you might have missed what was probably the coolest tribute to dave's retirement. conan o'brien's show starts at 11:00 so it's already on when letterman starts. watch what conan did last night. >> okay, it's now 11:35. oh, record us but switch to dave. bye! go, go. but hit record. just today. >> see, that never happens. that would be like me telling you to stop watching us right
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now and switch over to bill o'reilly. i'm confident i probably would not do that. with anything i'd switch over to univision to watch amara contrompa. anybody? you're going to let me hang here, aren't you? >> yes fwp. >> it's a spanish language soap opera. not shoe there's a lot of audience crossover though i've often thought our show has the same kind of drama and excitement. is that really on opposite of us? i don't think it is. is it really? wow. it is. okay. what is it called? there you go. you wu wereyou were watching conan and switched over to letterman you missed what was next. >> they're gone now. now we can do whatever the [ bleep ] we want. [ cheers and applause ]
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>> oh, dave, what a legacy. what a legacy dave. look what you've inspired. thanks for the inspiration. >> anyway, getting back to me i've been on conan's show. he's unpredictable. that we know. years ago when my book came out, "the new york times" number one bestseller. was i saying that? i think that every time i mention my book. he did something when we spoke recently. during the interview, you won't remember this. >> i do remember this. >> during the interview you took a drink and put it down on my book. >> yeah. >> i just remember -- >> it was great because someone else might not have said something. you actually were kind of -- >> i stopped the whole thing. >> you stopped the whole thing. i was using his book he was promoting as a coaster. >> i was like i spent a year and a half writing that thing. you're freaking putting a drink on it. >> yeah. yeah. i think i ended up throwing it out the window.
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>> yes, you did. you never know what yoer goingu're going to get with that guy. one day he's chucking your book out the window next he's mastering the art of the fitting farewell. we'll see you again for another edition of "360." mike rowe's "somebody's got to do it" starts now. i'm mike rowe and i'm on a mission to find people on a mission. boom. o a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you like what you do? >> 25. >> what are they doing? how are they doing it? and why? >> i love to make things that make people smile. >> very freaking excited.