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t 22 years ago. >> it really is extraordinary. we're going to be watching that to see what happens when the polls do close there in about three hours. phil black, thank you for that report. for our international viewers "amanpour" is next. for our viewers in north america, "newsroom" with poppy harlow starts right now. hi everyone. i'm poppy harlow in today for my friend brooke baldwin. we begin this hour with breaking news in that d.c. mansion murder case. the suspect is due in court soon for the first time since his stunning capture after a widespread manhunt. daron dylon wint is accused of killing a powerful d.c. businessman, his wife their son, and their housekeeper. he allegedly set fire to the mansion, leaving the four victims inside. wint is charged with
first-degree murder. authorities barely missed wint at his girlfriend's apartment in brooklyn where he allegedly fled. u.s. marshals finally nabbed him along with five other people late last night in washington, d.c. our tom foreman is following this story outside the washington courthouse where wint will soon appear. what do we expect to happen today now that he is going to make his first appearance in court? >> reporter: well this is an arraignment. it's a fairly broad, open courtroom with a lot of people being arraigned for a lot of things. he'll come in front of the judge who will basically tell him what the formal charges are against him. as you cited, first-degree murder involving a weapon. then he'll be asked to enter a plea whatever he wishes to say about that. it will also be the first time we get a look at this guy, which of course is really very intriguing to many people in the city who have been absolutely horrified, poppy, at the crimes that were committed and at this extraordinary chase that went on
and ended up with him being captured just a couple miles from where i'm standing now. >> one of the key things we've learned today, tom, is how many cash was found on hand right? >> reporter: yeah in these two vehicles with these six people involved authorities say $10,000 were found. $40,000 was delivered to the house according to authorities. the owner was told basically to have this delivered to the house. nonetheless, despite that, he, his wife his 10-year-old son, their housekeeper, all killed in the most brutal way. the house set on fire. there was this $10,000 found among these five other people who were with wint. >> and we've heard for the fistrst time from some of the family
members that lost their loved ones in this. >> reporter: two daughters were away at boarding school and have issued a statement basically saying how very sad they are about what has occurred how they hope that this will bring some sense of peace to the neighborhood even as people share in their grief. i can assure you poppy, many people in that neighborhood for miles share in the grief because it was just such a horrendous crime. but the mysteries remain about this chiefly among them, what about those five other people? were they involved in any way shape or form? although his brother is allegedly one of these people wint's brother, his name is not on the docket right now. we don't recognize any other ones. so if any of these others are being charged with anything we don't know what that is now or if it's going to happen at this point. although we're hoping the u.s. attorney will come out and have a few words to say in the course of the afternoon. >> all right. tom foreman for us thank you so much. again, that court appearance
just at some point this afternoon we're expecting it. we'll keep any on that for you and let you know as soon as we have it. well investigators first connected with wint and wint connected him to the murders after finding his dna on a pizza crust. the pizza crust that was left at the scene. one of wint's former attorneys says even if that is true it does not mean he went inside that mansion or killed anyone. the lawyer defended wint in six previous cases, none of which he says ended in guilty verdicts. he believes authorities have quote, the wrong guy. >> i know him to be a kind gentle, nonaggressive person someone you wouldn't mind your grandmother going to lunch with. he's not the guy that did this. i met with him many times. i've observed hundreds of thousands of people in my life completed 30,000 cases in court. when i'm sitting across from a person for hours at a time i
can tell they're kind and gentle. he was not a mean aggressive person at all. he was a young man finding his way, a student at prince george's community college. he tried to get into the marines. he was patriotic. i've had many cases where the dna findings have been thrown out of court. we don't know who conducted this dna and how it was done. it needs to be scrutinized. why are the police letting out piecemeal, little bits of evidence in a chinese water torture method? they need to conduct themselves in court and not keep talking to the media, trying to brand this guy. >> well, that's what his former attorney says. let's talk about it with another attorney. join mega now, walter bainsley bainsley iii.
de thanks for being with me. >> thank you. >> what's your reaction to what the former attorney of daron wint there just had to say? >> i think his point should be well taken. the law requires us to presume a suspect to be innocent. i don't see any need to rush to judgment. frankly, from the information i have there seems to be quite a few questions regarding the criminal culpability of mr. wint. seems like everybody should calm down a little bit, let the authorities do their job, then have a trial if that's where we're going with this. >> what are the biggest questions you have? >> well unlike the case that i was involved in you don't have any eyewitnesses. it seems like they have some initial forensic evidence just as the attorney said it needs to be tested analyzed by independent analysts to determine that everything was done properly. and i think there's more questions that need to be answered before we rush to a judgment. >> so you don't have also a gun.
let's talk about motive. what we do know according to the authorities, is that we do know that daron wint is someone who worked for the company run by this ceo who was killed in all of this. we know he worked there. we don't know for how long. we don't know if he was still employed when this went down. what does that tell us about motive or do you think that's key in all of this? >> well, establishing a moteive in a murder case is always crucial. i think in the questions you just asked, they need to be answered before we can make any determinations or come to any conclusions. i'm sure there were a lot of other employees at that company. i'm not sure at the moment why anything would point to mr. wint being involved at least from the perspective of being a former employee. >> i think they're pointing to the dna on the pizza crust. they're pointing to the fact that he fled. when they arrested him last night, he was found with $10,000 cash. obviously that package of $40,000 was delivered to the
house. let me ask you this. your client in that now-famous cheshire, connecticut, case where the family members were held up in their house. the daughters and mother raped and tortured and ultimately killed. the father escaped. you said that had an incredibly negative impact on your law practice. as you look at this from the perspective that you're sitting in now, what are you thinking about the similarities to this case? >> well obviously this is very similar in the sense it's a crime that shocks the very community and frankly and very understandably the community views this as being a victim itself. that was a difficulty we had. the defense in this case is going to have a similar difficulty. that's trying to pick fair and impartial jurors that can make a determination without the outrage of the offenses coming into play. very difficult under these circumstances in a small community because frankly, most of the people live in the community see themselves as
victims. in the cheshire case one of the things we asked potential jurors as a result of the cheshire murders whether or not they'd installed surveillance or security systems. we had quite a few people that indicated just as a result of that offense alone, they did put in surveillance systems, which was an indication of course of the outrage and how the community felt. >> walter bansley, thank you so much for the perspective, sir. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next bikers declaring war on police officers after that deadly shootout in texas. a new warning suggesting that gangs have bombs and grenades that they're ready to use against police officers. find out how the police are preparing ahead of this memorial day weekend. also isis advancing, getting closer and closer to baghdad as critics pounce on president obama for saying the united states is not losing this war on isis. also it got many of you
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all right. this just into us here at cnn. hillary clinton is at a campaign event in new hampshire. she's just responded to the state department releasing some of those e-mails, about 300 of her personal e-mails that were stored on her private server. this is sort of the first time they are releasing a batch of these e-mails. i want you to listen to what she just said. >> well first of all, i'm glad that the e-mails are starting to come out because it's something i've asked to be done as you know for a long time. and those releases are beginning. i want people to be able to see all of them and it is the fact that we have released all of them that have any government relationship whatsoever. in fact the state department have the vast majority of those
anyway because they went to what are called dot-gov accounts. i'm aware the fbi has asked a portion of one e-mail be held back. that happens in the process of freedom of information act responses. but that doesn't change the fact that all of the information in the e-mails was handled appropriately. >> wasn't there sensitive information on that server? >> are you going to recommend the state department release all of them as soon as possible? >> yes, that has been my request, paul. i've said from the very beginning i want them to release all of them as soon as possible. and they are in the process of doing that. i understand there is a certain protocol that has to be followed. they're following that. these that are being released today have been in the committee
jurisdiction. they were given to the committee some months ago. now finally those are getting released. so it's beginning. i would just like to see it expedited so we get more of them out more quickly. >> all right. we're going to talk a lot more about that on this program. coming up soon we'll have michael smerconish joining me to discuss. also this new and frightening warning for law enforcement. the potential use of car bombs planted by revenge-seeking bikers against police officers. officers in places across texas got that warning from the state's department of public safety, which says even family members are at risk as members of the bandidos and black widows may seek retaliation for sunday's shootout in waco which left nine bikers dead. a source tells us here at cnn four of these bikers were killed by responding police officers. what's more the bulletin says gang members may attack using c-4 explosives grenades, and
molotov cocktails. that information is based on unsubstantiated information from an informant, but waco police had this to say. >> the incident that occurred here sunday afternoon was an absolute tragedy. however, those of you that were there know that we did absolutely nothing to start that. we would ask you to remember that and remind you that although you have totally different ways from us law enforcement did not start the melee that occurred at twin peaks on sunday afternoon. >> again, he's saying there law enforcement did not start the melee. let's talk about it with former navy s.e.a.l. and former fbi agent johnathan gilliam. i can't imagine being an officer, feeling sort of this threat on top of the normal threat that officers feel every day that they're on duty. waco police say they're under this constant threat right now. where are these bikers getting the guns? because we know about 100 of the 300 or so weapons that were
found were legal. but not all of them. >> so i have a real issue with the whole way this narrative is starting to work its way out. i've been talking with cops. i've been talking with bikers. i've been talking with cops that are bikers. when we say these people if we speak that specific group that was allegedly in this shootout i can't tell you where they got that. the majority of bikers that i've ever met in my life and i was raised around bikers and know bikers they're biker club members. they're not gang members. there are these one percenters in there that do organized crime type of things inside these certain bike clubs. but the reality is the majority of these people if they have weapons, they're illegal. >> when i say these people i'm talking about the people making the threats or the people that were part and party to what we saw play out sunday night in waco. are you surprised to hear things
such as c-4 explosives molotov cocktails, potentially car bomb threats against police officers? >> i am surprised to hear that and i'm also surprised to hear that sergeant that was just speaking there a second ago. i'm not coming down on the cops but i'm not going to come down on the biker community. the reality is we don't know -- that was from a source. we don't know if that's reality. all the bikers that i've talked to -- and i've had some pretty heavy weight people call me and tell me they don't know where this is coming from. where is this narrative coming from? there's so many mysteries as to who started this. the guy that supposedly shot the first shot the witnesses are saying he's gone. there's all these different things going on with this investigation. i think when a cop comes out and says you live a different way than we do 60% of these bikers are former military. >> so how do you -- it's a fair and important point to make. when you look at any potential -- look there's
concern about this memorial day weekend. what will happen? will there be this retaliation or not? some of the rallies have been canceled. if you're a police officer, in these shoes and owners of these establishments how do you walk that line? how do you police it? how do you keep an eye on it this weekend so the bad elements don't get control? >> i would say this to all the community out there, whether it be the biker community or law enforcement. just slow down. back up a little bit. cops are nervous about bikers and bikers are nervous about cops. that's a recipe for disaster. i think everybody needs to look at each other as people who are living their lives and doing their jobs. i think that if the cops slow down and look at each individual as an individual person as an individual potential threat and take it slow they'll be able to think their way through these things. i think also with bikers as f you get pulled over slow down don't get a hot head. that could result as we have seen over these past six months with these different cop shootings, if you react in saerna
certain way, especially in a heated environment, it may go down a road that's not good. i just want to say this about the media. you know when we're talking about sources and we're talking about this type of a fluid thing where there's this many people there, the reports that are going to come out can actually fuel this. i just think this is something that could blow up into something that it's not. that's what i'm worried about. this is not a war that anybody would ever win. >> just to be fair here this is a warning that came to the department of public safety in texas. and they've issued it to the police officers. jonathan gilliam, thank you very much. appreciate it. good context, important discussion to have. coming up next with isis threatening cultural destruction on the ancient city of palmyra and moving closer and closer to baghdad s baghdad, is the u.s. strategy against the terror group now at a serious crossroads? we'll take you live to iraq next. also a stunning and disturbing revelation from the family behind the reality television
isis has just claimed responsibility for this. what you're looking at is the aftermath of a bloody suicide bombing at a mosque in u.s. ally saudi arabia. today isis terrorists are continuing their bloody march towards the iraqi capital of baghdad. they're claiming yet another steppingstone along the way. first taking ramadi six days ago. now a town near a major military installation. president obama, though saying quote, i do not think we are losing this war. the maps paint a very different picture. last year this was the isis
presence across the region. groups scattered across syria and iraq. look at it today. today it looks a lot more like this. a lot more red. a lot more territory seized by isis. across the region their presence is growing in libya, tunisia, and yemen. those terrorists are now in control of half of syria. but more now on their move in iraq. i want to bring in arwa damon, cnn's senior international correspondent. she joins us from baghdad. it was just days ago when any analyst i would even ask, is it even possible isis would threaten baghdad in any real way, they kept saying no no no that's completely different. but then barbara starr was just reporting last night increasingly some u.s. intelligence officials are concerned about that. what about on the ground there? are they concerned about isis being able to topple baghdad? >> reporter: they're concerned
about isis being able to make its way to the capital and direct violence upon the individuals who live here who have already seen too much bloodshed over the last decade plus. as for isis actually taking capturing baghdad the way it did mosul, tikrit and ramadi not necessarily that big of a threat. but that doesn't mean that isis is not going to continue to terrify the population here. the aim of the iraqi government following fall of ramadi to isis was to try to beef up the presence of its forces and the various different shia militia volunteer units and try to arm up the sunni tribes in an area that's a major military base. and to try to keep isis from taking control of the other smaller towns around it. over the last 24 hours, isis did manage to take control of another town and is trying to ing toing to
attack another one as well using car bombs and heavy arms fire. whatever reinforcement the government was planning on sending, either they've not been sufficient enough or they're not able to keep isis at bay. at this stage, yes, the concern is real. but is baghdad going to be falling any time soon? that is not necessarily a very likely scenario either. >> all right. arwa damon live for us in baghdad. thank you very much. appreciate it. let's talk more about this with colonel derek harvey retired u.s. army and former iraq senior analytical specialist under general david petraeus. thank you for being here. >> good afternoon. >> let's talk more about what arwa said. they are concerned, the residents, the innocent people of baghdad, concerned about the terror that isis could bring. even if it doesn't topple the capital, what it could bring if it does enter the city. what would that look like in your mind? >> well i think what we're going to see, and i'm really forecasting this unless we really change our strategy and
the iraqi government can adapt more quickly to the threat. baghdad may look closer to what it looked like in 2006. we could be seeing 100 to 125 vehicle bombs going off every month. along the battle front, in baghdad we could be looking at 2,000 to 2,500 improvised explosive devices creating havoc for the communities. >> you do not believe the u.s. strategy is working. you do not believe the president. what would your strategy be? >> first of all, i think the president's strategy unfortunately -- i thought it was insufficient to begin with. but its execution has been poor. it's not been well resourced. it's not been well led. it's not been synchronized. that's both in the inner agency in washington, d.c. and in the theater where the combat is playing out.
that is a major problem. his strategy was not given a chance to succeed, in my view due to lack of leadership and aggressive actions on the government's part. >> retired marine general gregory nubald says the united states theseneeds an all-out blitz. we've heard some politicians saying that as well. don't go in and stay endlessly, like we saw before but go in show your might, show your strength make isis not want to come back and then leave. is that an effective strategy? >> i don't think -- it sounds good but it's not an effective strategy. >> why? >> i think we need to bolster the iraqi security forces. we need to bolster the iraqi government. >> but that's what we've been doing -- >> go ahead. >> circumstancessir, isn't that exactly
what the u.s. has been doing? they're rushing new weapons over. they've been quote/unquote bolstering the government. you have new leadership in there. you have more support for the iraqi forces. when they pack up and flee from somewhere, what do you do? >> well first of all, we really have not executed and resourced what we say we're doing. let's be clear about that. talking the game and doing it are two different things. what we need is, you know, probably two brigades an aviation brigade and additional strike operations to seize the initiative and bolster the iraqi security forces and more aggressively build the security force. that's part of it. we have to stabilize the situation. but we also have to work with the sunni arabs and the government. if we don't get more capability in there to bolster them, we're not talking about u.s. forces going in for street-to-street fighting. we're not talking about holding ramadi. we're talking about providing enablers capabilities that will
bolster those forces bring in the capability to call for fire give them the weapons they need and the advisory capability along with direct action like we saw with the sayyaf raid. >> it's interesting you bring that up because that's exactly what we're seeing them do. arming and propping up some of the sunni forces in anbar province. you think that's going to be effective? >> overall, i think the net results will be further polarization between sunni arabs and shia arabs. it's just what's going to happen. there's plenty of indications of that already. that's a very worrisome development. it's going to be dependent upon how they do it. but it's very worrisome, and it needs into the strategy of isis. they want the shia militias to be pulled into anbar province because it will further polar sizepolarize
this campaign. >> just goes to show the divide the government and the toll its taken in iraq. thank you very much colonel. >> you're welcome. coming up next a stunning revelation. the eldest son of that reality show family the duggars, apologizing for allegations that have now surfaced that he molested young girls years ago. why presidential candidate mike huckabee is now involved and supporting the family and that man. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] tora bora
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counting" josh duggar apologizing for allegedly molesting girls when he was 15 years old. he's now resigned from his job at the family research council. he's issued this apology reading in part quote, 12 years ago as a young teenager, i acted inexcusably for which i am extremely sorry and deeply regret. i hurt others, including my family and close friends. his parents had this to say. quote, back 12 years ago, our family went through one of the most difficult times of our lives. when josh was a young teenager he made some very bad mistakes and we are shocked. we had tried to teach him right from wrong. let's talk about all this with hln contributor and founder of swagger.nyc. thank you for being here. good to have you with us. why are we just finding out about this now? >> you know it's been locked away. "in touch weekly" is the one who put it out there. they confirmed reports through
police that in 2006 the family went and talked to police officers about what had happened. the story had been locked away. allegedly, the duggar family spoke to a state trooper who did not decide to push charges on josh duggar. >> a state trooper they knew. >> a state trooper who they knew who now "in touch" reports is in jail for child pornography charges himself. >> we should talk about the responsibility -- of course the responsibility of parents, of law enforcement, but also the responsibility of television networks. a lot of people say tlc put them on the air, right. highly rated show a lot of people watched. do they have any responsibility here? >> here's the thing. i can't confirm that tlc knew exactly what was going on in that family. some people say -- >> we haven't heard they did or didn't. >> i think it really befalls on the family themselves because we
can't can confirm they did know this happened. why sign your family up for a show like this put them in front of sometimes 4.4 million viewers, and face media scrutiny like this. it's really really unfortunate. i think it befalls the family. >> we have some photos here we can show just in terms of how much political power and influence this family has had. you've got photos of them with a number of gop front runners. you have photos of them with bill clinton. took a photo with bill clinton, a democrat in 2011 when they were on a joint appearance of the "today" show. you have mike huckabee gop candidate for president, coming out with a long statement today on facebook. part of it saying good people make mistakes and do regrettable, even disgusting things. the reason that the law protects disclosure of many actions on the part of a minor is that society has traditionally understood something that today's blood-thirsty media does not understand. what do you make of mike huckabee coming out and so vehemently defending had man? >> you know what really irks me
about mike huckabee's statements were at the end where he said we need to run toward families like this at times like this when this is a family who had been so hateful toward the lgbt community and the transgenter ertransgender publicly. we have eight transgender women of color who have died this year alone because of hate spewing from families like the duggars. they've been throwing stones yet mike huckabee is asking us to run toward a family like this and support them when they have issues in their own homes. it's unacceptable and it's hypocrisy. >> what do you make of the fact that mike huckabee points out and others have said and the parents said look, he was a child at the time. he shouldn't have done what he did, it was completely wrong, but he was a child. they talk about sending him away for a while to stay with another family. >> i mean, i totally understand that. i'm sensitive to the fact he was a child.
but here's the issue. what they're asking for now is love and respect and privacy, right. and there are so many people in this world that just want love respect, and privacy. >> so we've reached out to the police department about this. we haven't heard back. when you look at things like this the media can sort of rant and rave but the real important thing is what happens now, right. just not how are they punished but what changes to help victims, other victims of molestation. what should happen? what should come of this? >> as you know as reports are stating now, and we haven't confirmed this yet, but tlc is yanking the show for right now. >> want to be clear to our viewers, we have not confirmed that. >> yes. so there are rumors out there they have done that. that's a first step. they made this step when honey boo boo and her mother when mama june was dating an alleged child molester. that's a big statement. that's proving that they have a moral compass. so a lot of people are asking on
twitter and elsewhere that they need to cancel this show to make a big statement to everybody out there that child molestation, question not stand behind that. >> i think it goes beyond cancelling a show. i think it goes beyond what does this 27-year-old now come out and do for victims and talk about, you know, addressing issues like this. thank you very much. good to have you on. still ahead, more on hillary clinton's reaction to the state department just this afternoon releasing the first batch of her private e-mails during the time she was secretary of state. what did she say, and what's the bigger picture here? michael smerconish weighs in. also she was an omaha police officer, the best of the best. she was brutally gunned down in a shootout just hours before taking her maternity leave and picking up her premature daughter from the hospital. she was brutally murdered. you're going to hear from someone who knew her in the department and called her an angel.
an omaha police officer killed in the line of duty. 29-year-old officer carrie orozco was gunned down on wednesday. she was just one day away from taking her maternity leave. her new baby was born prematurely in february. finally she was healthy enough for carrie and her husband to take her home from the hospital. now everyone from fellow police officers to the children that she served in that community are remembering her sacrifice. >> she was an angel. one of the most selfless people i've ever met in my life. she was all about the betterment of this community in any way shape or form. it didn't stop at just working on the job. didn't stop at 5:00 when she got off of work. she continued to touch at-risk youth. just her ability to be able to create and make relationships with anybody, any walk of life is just amazing. it's something you can't teach. it's something you can't learn. you have to be anointed by god
to be able to do those things. >> she was a nice police officer and did nice things for other people. she let us get in the police car. >> michael daly is with me now, special correspondent for "the daily beast." he wrote a beautiful, beautiful piece about her, about who she was as a woman and a police officer. thanks for being here. the way she's described, selfless a heart of gold an angel. so many people saying this about her. >> it's all true. >> what have you learned in your reporting? >> a lot of times somebody gets killed and everybody looks for the best they can say about somebody. with her, it was all completely absolutely true. you hear one great thing, and then you hear something else. you'd hear well she coached kids baseball. she had a beautiful video about that. then you find out she also worked for the special olympics. then you find out she also worked for the girl scouts. then you find out she also at christmas time did a shop with a cop program. she would take homeless kids shopping. you look at the pictures. there's a picture of her with a
little girl christmas shopping holding up a little pair of pants. it will just -- it tears you up. >> it tears you up. it's interesting. as i was looking through your piece, we talk a lot about the tension between so many police and their communities. actually it is an issue, but it's a minority of them. so many police officers do good like her in terms of knowing their community, living and breathing with those in their community. i mean she was on the force for seven years. she was a volunteer with so many different organizations. >> and, you know, there was a 25-year-old cop killed in new york at the start of this month. at his funeral, commissioner bratton of new york said people always say, why is it always the good ones? he said the answer is because almost all of them are good. if you look at all the police officers who have been murdered in recent weeks, it's like one is more decent than the other, and then you come to her and
she's about as decent a human being as i ever wrote about. then you find out that she gave birth in february. she delayed her maternity leave because she had a choice. do i spend my maternity leave going to the hospital or do i spend that first magical few days with my daughter? she decided to put it off until then. you can imagine what it was like riding around in that radio car with your kid in the hospital. she was still going to work. >> i can't imagine what it's like. most people don't have to do their job that way. so when you think about her child, now growing up without a mother you write at the end of your piece here, the debt we all owe this child is to make the loss of her mother mean something. so what do we all have to do? >> you got to remember her. and maybe you could go out and coach some kids. maybe next time you hear about one officer messing up you can think about all the good officers. maybe when you walk down the street you see a cop standing in the rain you could say good morning. you just got to take her to your
heart. the other thing to think about, she knows she's hours from picking up her kid, her first born who's been in the hospital since february. she knows that. gunfire goes off. what does she do? does she hide behind the car, duck behind a tree? no she goes right there because she doesn't want anyone else to get hurt. you have to remember that moment of this lady. >> it's a beautiful way to remember her. i think that's right. we should also go and help someone else in her memory. michael daly thanks so much. we'll be right back.
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get started at xfinity.com/myaccount top of the hour 3:00 eastern this friday. i'm poppy harlow in today for my good friend brooke baldwin. we begin with breaking news in the d.c. mansion murders case. the suspect is due in court this afternoon for the first time since his capture. we have just gotten our hands on new court documents that have been released. we're poring through those. his name daron dylon wint. he allegedly set fire to the mansion, leaving the four victims inside. according to these new court
documents, quote, a strong odor consistent with that of gasoline was present throughout the home. several matches and a match box were found at the top of the stairs. the dramatic manhunt searching for wint spanned 400 miles. authorities say they barely missed him at his girlfriend's apartment in brooklyn. then they turned back to washington, d.c. where they finally nabbed him, along with five other people late last night. our tom foreman is outside of the courthouse in washington, d.c. tom, what are these court documents tells us thus far? >> reporter: well they're giving us a few more details, poppy. they cite the defendant, of course mr. wint, as 5'7" 155 pounds. they talk about the firefighters going into the building after seeing these fires and finding the three adults. unconscious is how they describe them here. we know in the end they were all killed. this has been ruled homicide in all f