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"breaking news, 35 years of cnn." please tweet me at wolf blitzer. please be sure to join us again on monday right here in "the situation room." erin burnett outfront starts right now. out flont next breaking news police on the hunt for more accomplices in the d.c. mansion murder. this as a key witness tonight changes his story. plus the duggar family bombshell. tlc now pulling the hit show" 19 kids and counting" after the oldest son admits he molested girls, including his own siblings. kim jong-un's broth spotted at an eric clapton's concert singing "i shot the sheriff." let's go outfront. good evening, i'm erin burnett. we begin with breaking news. police at this moment looking
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for more suspects in the gruesome washington, d.c. mansion murders. according to a new court document that we've obtained investigators believe the main suspect, daron wint did not act alone when he allegedly bound, tortured and murdered a high profile couple wur their then-year-old son and a housekeeper. now this revelation coming just as the suspect appeared in court today. you're looking at a pick chufr of what he looked like wearing a white prison outfit hands and feet shackled, head down, no emotion shown whatsoever according to our reporter there. wint was captured last night in washington after an intense manhunt that stretched to new york. also tonight, police revealing a key witness to the murder is now changing his story. a lot of breaking details to get to. pamela brown begins with everything we now know in this quickly moving story in washington. y ear outside the home where the family was murdered. this mystery is deepening and the news that is coming out on this is some of these
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developments are really surprising. >> reporter: absolutely. you know there may be one suspect in custody. but this appears to be far from over. these newly released court documents that came out today suggests that daron wint had accomplices in the quadruple homicide in the home behind me in that there were several witnesses who played a role in delivering the $40,000 to the family's home before the four victims were killed. the newly released court documents suggest daron wint arrested overnight could not have acted alone. allegedly kidnapping and holding the savopoulos family and their housekeeper hostage for 18 hours before brutally beating them stabbing them and setting their house on fire. tonight cnn has learned police believe wint and others were involved in an elaborate shakedown of the family one that involved savvas savopoulos asking the family's assistant to withdraw $40,000 of cash and
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deliver it to the house. >> we tracked him up to new york and we barely missed him. >> police say wint was spotted getting into a white chevy cruise outside of a maryland hotel along with three other women. police also spotted a moving truck traveling ahead of wint's car 37 inside was wint's brother and another man. >> we followed them for four or five miles and they did a wacky u-turn. we followed them continued to follow them and they sent up a helicopter. >> inside the box truck police found at least $10,000. tonight investigators are looking at what role the group may have played in the brutal killings of the savopoulos family especially in light of the complexity of holding them hostage, extorting them and burning down the house. >> you don't have to spend multiple hours, eight, nine ten hours in someone's home to extort money. and in this case i'm very certain that the father would have given the offender ten
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times $40,000 just to get him out of the house. >> new court documents, including autopsies released tonight, show just as brutal the 18-hour ordeal was. ten years phillip savopoulos was found burned with stab wound in an upstairs bedroom. the fire fueled by gasoline. the other found in the bedroom. the firefighter tried to save the housekeeper but she died at the hospital. tonight investigators appear to be questioning the story told by one key witness who was a frequent driver by the family and was askedly savopoulos to pick up the $40,000 ramsome to from the bank of american. that witness changed his or her story about the cash dropoff to the home. >> >>. >> reporter: we've learned that the five people who were with daron wint last night are no longer in police custody. we reached daron wint's father
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today who told us that the reason why daron wint with was his brother is that as soon as he heard that daron wint was a wanted man web he went to find him to help him turn into police. that is the story coming from dash ron wint's father tonight. >> thank you very much with the breaking details. now forensic psychologist brian russell joins was along with legal analyst paul callan. brian, let me start with you on this crucial issue of how many people were involved. we have daron wint appearing in court. they've found him. but the police say the murders required the presence and assistance of more than one person. do you agree? >> i do agree. and i like to have matter answers if for you. but tonight, i think i might have more questions than answers. you would think that anybody who fit the profile that we were talking about last night, a psychopath would not be ordering extra pizza for the victims who were in the process
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of being tortured and killed. we've got the big pizza order, two pizzas. you would think that the extra pizza would have been for extra perpetrators on the scene. but then we find out that one of the pizzas was never touch. every time we have an answer, we end up with another question. >> you have someone who is a psychopath getting pleasure out of horrific acts would that person be able to find anyone to go along with do this with them. >> that's where i was a little bit confused. >> yes, unfortunately we've seen many cases with serial killers acting totally alone and then we've got isis an entire organization with you know six or seven figures worth of people in it who commit atrocities like this. it can happen with an individual, it can happen with a group. >> and doctor you just heard brian bring up the pizza which was central to the dna evidence which they got that led them to daron wint. he had been charged with many things over the years. he was in the system.
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the dna matched. that's how they found his name. what evidence do you think that police have that makes them certain there was more than one killer given this crucial thing which is again the dna came from pizza for daron wint. but there was only part of one pizza eaten. >> erin about a hundred years ago a famous french criminalist set forth the principle when two people are in some kind of a confrontation, whatever it may be there's going to be something left over. that was long before dna was around. you have all kinds of trace evidence fingerprints and footprints and hair and little pieces of material from the garments. you'll look for all of these things in every one of the rooms in which these people in the house were. they will look for these things on the victim's bodies and their clothing. they will look for things even on wipt and maybe some clothing he was wearing, or clothing me may have discarded if it's still
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around. so this is the way you proceed with all of these things. it's called forensic trace evidence dna of course being the most specific. so whatever it may be and wherever something may have been touched, whether it's a pizza box or the glass or the toilet that they probably used certainly in 18 hours, all of these things will be gone over very very meticulously. a as far as whether or not one person could have done it and how to you rove it if there es ooh evidence of more than one instrumentality, that suggests strongly that make two people were involved. the little boy, i would like to make this comment. it sound to me, considering the injuries on the 10-year-old boy, he was being used as a quasiquasisome ransom. that's what thaw was about to savopoulos to make sure he comes through be the money and to make sure that he and his wife and the housekeeper do not try to
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escape or produce any kind of altercation that might bring things to the neighbors attention. >> which is horrific. now you know paul in terms of the issue of the child being used as ransom the father did call his asis fant who had driven him around an told him to go get money. the assistant goes and gets the money. when police spoke to this assistant, the person changed their story. okay. so first they said one thing happened then they said another thing happened. certainly right after they left the house and dropped off the money, they didn't call police. that is actually a very, very crucial thing. that would indicate the person dropped off money all of the time at the house or had some other reason for not calling the police after dropping off the money. >> i think it's extremely odd. if you're questioned in by the police in a situation like this where four people have been killed you would have distinct and clear recollection of the details of dropping the money off. police are now saying that this person changed their story about what was involved in the
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dropoff. that's highly suspicious on the face of things. secondly there's an affidavit that was submitted to the court when they were procuring an arrest warrant which refers to the fact there had to be multiple individuals involved in the crime. so obviously police while they're investigating it have already concluded that there may be more than one person involved. >> and you're not ruling this person out as a suspect at this point if you were looking at it? >> lbisten, we don't know what the real story is but that version sounds suspicious to me. if i was dropping off money to a guy who was being held by kidnappers for ransom i would remember what happened that day. >> there's going to be a lot of questions about that. again that individual getting $40,000 in wads of cash and bringing it dropping it off in the car, in the garage and then leaving the house. and as far as we know at that time did not call police. thanks so much to all three of you. next a man who has just spoke within the family of daron wint. we're going to tell you what they're saying tonight and we'll see if he stands by daron wint.
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accomplices in the brutal murder of a prominent washington couple were their ten-year-old son and a housekeeper. prosecutors say it is unlikely that the man support daron wint acted alone when he bound them with duct tape stabbed and tortured murdered their victims, dousing them with gasoline and torching their mansion. hes's been charged with first degree murder. police captured him last night after an intense manhunt that spans from new york all the way to maryland. this is part of wint's dangerous past with which includes being charged with 15 crimes. erin mclaughlin is outfront. >> this is the face of a cold blooded killer 34-year-old daron wint now charged with first degree murder. accused of the brutal slay of savvas savopoulos his wife ten-year-old son and their housekeeper. wint's dna was traced through dominos pizza crust found at the
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family's home. we're learning more detail to nug night about the company, american ironworks. savvas savopoulos was the ceo. wint worked there. it's unclear for how long. >> there was a working relationship several years ago. but beyond that we still have a lot of people to talk to firm up what exactly -- how that relationship has been in the more recent years. >> in an interview with wrc, his former coworker criticized the accused murderer. >> the truth, he couldn't get along with anybody. >> cnn affiliate spoke to a woman who says she's a relative of wint. >> very argumentative. everywhere he goes argue men ty. >> the bodies for discovered an-wint turjd up after his father's home. >> he's not working, just eating and going to the gym. not going anything. >> in 2001 wint tried to join
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the marines but after two months of training he left. it's not clear why. since then he's been charged with at least 15 crimes ranging from sexual assault to theft. he's been convicted at least three times. in 2005 his father received a protective order to keep wint away from his family. five years ago he was arrested across the street from american ironworks. according to court comes, police found him behind a dumpster with a 24-inch long machete and a bb gun. charges were never filed. that same year he was accused of threatening to kill a woman and her two-year-old and smashes the front and back windows of their car. wint pled guilty to malicious destruction of property and sentenced to serve 28 days in jail. now accused of the brutal murder of four people he could face a lifetime behind bars. now on either sunday or monday, police say they believe wint fled d.c. for brooklyn. they think he was actually
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hiding out with his girlfriend. they haven't released her identity but police say they think they just missed him in new york. >> thank you very much. and outfront now, former ninth officer private investigator and our legal analyst pal callan is back. robin, your former client has been captured charged with first degree murder in the brutal slaying of four people. i know you spoke to his family today. you're going to be meeting with them on monday. what did they tell you? >> they called me around 2:00 this afternoon and requested that they come to my law office. i arranged a meeting monday evening when i get back here from the outer banks. we're going to be discussing daron, we're going to be discussing the entire circumstance and possible representation. but nothing is set yet. >> now, robin, last night you told me that wint, you kept -- you say erin, you keep talking about his being charged.
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you don't have convictions. we spent some time looking into this. cnn confirmed three convictions here in new york one for assault and one for malicious destruction of property. his father wrote that his son stood in his front yard threatening to shoot his entire family. how does that square with what you told me. you told me wint is a good man. >> he is a good man. the assault conviction you're talking about, yonl there was any jail time in that case. he had an argument with his father. every child has an argument with his father. oftentimes heated over a lifetime. that's not unexpected. i think that his father loves him. his family is coming to see me to help him. you know they really stretching the facts, the police. they called him armed and dangerous. when he was taken in there were no weapons whatsoever. he was passive. the money was not with mr. wint.
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it was in another vehicle. if someone killed people for money, wouldn't they keep that money near them? if they were in control wouldn't they keep the money with them. the money was not with him. if anything, he was a bit player in this horrendous episode. >> bill what do you make of this? one point that robin said was a bit player. now they are looking for other people. >> yes. >> so i guess we don't know what anybody's individual role could have been or how many people could have been there. you heard the reporter go through the criminal background at least 15 charges, we have at least three convictions. you think this is the tip of the iceberg. >> where there's smoke, there's fire. understand this is only the things he was arrested for. there may have been many other crimes that he didn't get caught on. you know, counsel, you got yourself a client now. i hope if he ever makes bail he stays at your house because he's such a good boy. but erin this man murdered -- it's alleged that he murdered a
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ten-year-old child. there are two families that there grieving for the people that are dead. counsel, you got your work cut out for you. my prediction, he's going to roll over and give up conspirators real quick. >> what do you make of this as a lawyer who has not represented daron wint. >> it's astonishing to hear an attorney get on the air and outline that he's innocent when he's not spoken to him and doesn't know whether he's guilty or innocent. we have to know what the facts and the evidence is before we can speculate about whether he's in fact guilty or innocent to the crime. i heard about the presumption of innocence. but that doesn't mean you're actually innocent. charlie manson was presumed innocent jeffrey dahmer and john wilkes booth. doesn't mean you're innocent. >> so was a man recently idy fended in court.
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the best plea offer was 40 years and the jury came back and said not guilty 23 times in a row. >> that doesn't prove that this man is innocent of this crime, sir. you've not even spoken to him. >> he doesn't have to prove he's innocent. the state has to prove he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. he doesn't have to prove anything. >> well what does that have to do whether he's actually innocent or guilty? >> there's a presumption of innocence and the police -- >> does that mean -- one question. >> you're calling ham murderer. >> does that mean you're actually innocent if there's a presumption of innocence? >> it means that you may very well be innocence. >> and you may very well be guilty as well. >> let robin finish. >> we're not in china. we're not under mr. putin here. this is the united states and we have a very nice buffer called a jury between the king and the people who are deciding the case. >> let's hope this good boy gets what he deserves.
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>> let me ask you another point. we've also found out five years ago wint was arrested across the street from american ironworks. he had worked there at one point and the father was the ceo of american ironworks. he's found behind a dumpster with a 24-inch machete and the bee bb gun. >> what a joke that arrest was. there was a plea to an open container of alcohol. anything you read five years later about a machete or a gun is pure nonsense. speculation. there would have been a plea to an sealed weapon. there was a plea to a can of beer. every student in the state of washington has a can of beer before he's done. >> thanks very much to all of you. i appreciate that. we'll look forward to talking to you robin, after you talk to the family to see if they're going
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tonight, tlc pulling its hit show "19 and counting" about the supposedly wholesome duggar family after the air after the oldest son josh admitted he molested a number of dpirls, some of them include his own siblings. the molestation happened when duggar was a teen. he's now 27 years old. he's married with three children of his own an one more on the way. the duggar family talks about their christian beliefs and have campaigned for mike huckabee. today huckabee supported the duggars. i wanted to read to you his quote. he said good people make mistakes and do regrettable and eve disgusting things.
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we'll have much more on that in a moment. the big question is how did this disgusting scandal stay buried for so long. dan simon begins or coverage youth front. >> this is the story of my family. we're the duggars. >> the duggar family seemed taylor made for a reality show. at '19 kids and counting" has been a huge hit. and turns out the ever growing family espousing conservative christian beliefs made for good ratings. ♪ >> but now a bombshell as a dark family secrets explodes out into the open. >> hello, i'm josh duggar from tlc eex '19 kids and counting". >> gosh duggar is accuse odd molesting several girls, including citizen siblings when he was 14 years old. the report details among other
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things that josh duggar confessed to his father jim bob duggar who waited more than a year before contacting authorities. instead the duggars say they told elders at their church and received counseling. >> obviously this is a family that had built their reputation and brand on the idea of being wholesome and having family values top to discover something like this had gone down is truly shocking. >> the duggars have been able to capitalize on their fame and josh has become a favorite by conservatives for his outspoken views on abortion and same-sex marriage. >> i think the people of each state would be free to up hold marriage as a union of one man and one woman. >> josh duggar saying quote, 12 years ago as a young teenage i acted inexcusably. i hurt others including my family and friends. we spoke with the authorities and my parents arranged for me
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and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. the fallout has been swift with tlc pulling the show from its schedule and josh duggar resigning as executive director of the conservative family research count similar. and social media has been particularly harsh. montel williams tweeting another anti-day defender turns out to be a garden variety scumbag. josh duggar was never charged with a crime and the statute of limitation to charge him now has now expired. anna duggar said she knew about her husband's past teenage mistakes before they got marry and that she remains committed to him. >> thank you very much. and outfront tonight, an editor at intouch magazine part of the team that broke this story and psychotherapist robbery lug wig. how was this covered up for so long.
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law enforcement was aware of it soon after it happened but it never went anywhere. >> absolutely right. so it is a very convoluted story but i will try to make it as brief as possible. 2002 we had jim bob duggar. >> the father. >> the father being told that his son josh had molested a child. some jim bob is then told subsequently that this has been going on a couple of times and jim bob still doesn't go to the police about it. it takes jim bob nine months to alert church elders. and then three months later they decide to go to arkansas state troop police and talk about it. now the arkansas state troop
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police did not file the report and alert the necessary authorities about it. so let's go to 2006 now and the duggars are about to be on oprah winfrey. a concerned member of the area contacts oprah, the producers, and says there's a lot that you don't know and spills everything out to them. they quite rightly, contact the police and an investigation is started in 2006 about it. but problem was, as was mentioned in the piece, the statute of limitations had already passed. >> so it didn't go anywhere then. >> precisely. >> so how -- we're talking about someone who molested his own siblings. this is not just molest,ing -- not that there's any molesting that's okay. but we're also talking about his
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own siblings. >> we have never discussed who the victims of this are. other reports may claim to know, but we have not discussed who it is. >> how surprised are you though that this never came to light before? >> right. >> especially given the fame of this family now and he was a very very well-known person. >> right. right. well this is the thing. there is a lot of chatter -- we became pretty intrigued by it quite recently about what the truth to the internet rumors that were going around. so we sent a team of reporters to find out. we sent invest gair day tif reporters down to arkansas to speak with a number of people. they knocked on so many doors, they spoke with so many people. and there were a lot of people that actually felt that the duggars had not accounted for something that they should have done. and let's be clear.
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when we got the report we used a thing called the foia to using arkansas state law to ask the spring dale police to disclose as much as they legally could. they sent it to us and we put it online and "in touch" magazine has all of the details. >> these how you were able to break it. according to the police report that alexander and his team were able to obtain through the freedom of information act request, josh was sent to a program, okay, for four months. according to police report it consisted of hard physical work and counseling. and afterwards the parents told the police they felt their son no longer had a problem. we're talking about a person who was 14 at that time molesting girls who were younger. physical work fixes that? four months fixes that? is this crazy?
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>> no. i think it's important to know that there's a different between adult molesters and juveniles who molest. >> you're not going quite so far as to stay traditional pedophile. >> right no. he might turn into that. but not all of them do. and in fact some of them can receive treatment and get better and go on to live -- >> is this the treatment? >> -- law abiding life. not necessarily. having said that i think it's important that it was recognized and that a certain type of intervention was made. did it work? that's really for the duggar to observe, whether their son, after that kind of treatment, was able to behave appropriately to not act impulsively, to not reoffend or abuse the children he was abusing. >> one of the things that stands out here and i know alexander is not talking about this part specifically but what we do know about some of the victims, that some of them were his own siblings. this adds a level to this many
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people find more disturbing than the initial story itself. now the duggar family has been strict about dating rules and i wanted to play something that the parents said during the show's premier last year. >> as far as our kids dating we believe a lot of times if you're alone with a person that it can create desires that get stirred up and you don't have in accountability and it can lead to hanky pinky. >> no holdings hands. >> no kissing. >> always have a chaperon with us. >> side hugs. >> obviously saving our first kiss for marriage. >> does that add into this at all. because when people hear the part again about siblings they might think this person is sicker than sick. >> well it just makes me wonder if sexual feelings for described as bad and shameful so that made it that much harder for a child who's 14 and probably has all of the hormones stirring up felt like his impulses for bad and he needed to act on them in
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a see krecretive way. there's in one type of family that these molesters come from. so you cant stereotype them. but it could have played a role in why this particular child acted the way he did. >> thank you. outfront next is there any real about reality tv. squeaky clean duggars obviously not. they're not the only ones to have a deep dark secret what was kim jong-un's brother doing at an eric clapton concert singing "i shot the sheriff"? we all enter this world with a shout and we see no reason to stop. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools
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tonight tlc saying it is quote deeply saddened and troubled by the news that one of its top reality stars molested girls when was a teenager. the network calling the situation involving josh duggar quote heartbreaking. tlc says it's pulling the show. but this isn't the first time the network has yanked a reality program due to scandal. brian stetlter is outfront.
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>> there you go baby. >> reality tv amusing and disposable. but not for the characters. the real people whose lives often seems like train wrecks. >> don't ramble. >> kate and i decided to separate. >> the latest josh duggar one of the 19 kids on "19 kids and counting." now confessing that when he was 14 he molested several girls, including some siblings. his parents and police were notified sometime later but no charges for filed. the future of the tlc show now an open question. more importantly, what about the future of the family? tlc canceled another series here come honey boo boo after the show's mother was reported to be dating a registered sex offender. honey boo boo's cyst alleged that the boyfriend had molested her. >> momma didn't believe me for a while and like she's like why
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would you do that why would you do that to me. and i can't you did that. i'm like momma, he did it. >> tlc promotes itself being all about family. john and kate gosselin's breakup became tabloid fodder leaving people wondering about the kids. >> i don't want to speak for them but maddie go ahead. sort of the things you said in the magazine years later, they're good and fine. >> no you just said it. >> like a lot of people think that filming like our show has damaged us. but it's only really helped. >> and in tlc's "toddlers and tiara" the network caused a firestorm after showing a three-year-old dressed in a costume mimicking julia roberts costume in "pretty woman." paisley's moth said the costume was meant to be funny. >> i think there are just as many or more pedophile at the
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beach and the park anywhere. >> reality stardom cuts both ways. consider kim kardashian, a true arks list star. >> would you be where you are had there not been a sex tape? >> you know i think that's how i was definitely introduced to the world. >> her family now educating the world about transgender issues as bruce jenner films a reality show about a gender transition. >> vi to mourn this person i was married to for all of these years. >> sometimes most of the drama and controversy happens off the show. >> brian, you know this happened 12 years ago, in terms of josh duggar. and a lot of people are asking how is it possible that tlc didn't know that they were unaware, is it really possible? >> well they're avoiding answering that question because a lot of people don't think it is possible.
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the official line is they didn't know anything about the police report until "intouch" magazine revealed it yesterday. there are a lot of unanswered questions from the television channel. the pressure is building against them. they would love to have more seasons of this show but will it be possible to have more seasons? that's an open question now given all that we know that we were not seeing on the television show. >> brian, thank you very much. outfront next skim young un's older brother spotted at an eric clapton concert. we have a special report on the family. this is brian. every day, brian drives carefully to work. and every day brian drives carefully to work, there are rate suckers. he's been paying more for car insurance because of their bad driving for so long, he doesn't even notice them anymore. but one day brian gets snapshot from progressive.
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a rare sighting of one of north korea's kim family, this time in london at a rock concert. kim jong-un's older brother spotted at a eric clapton concert. he's a huge fan, loves clapton concerts. and he's not the only sibling runs out spending money. >> his aid brushing his hand over the camera. he's treated like a rock star.
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this is believed to be the older brother of north korea dictator kim jong-un. he's gone to clapton concerts all over the world. has plenty of time and money on his hands analysts say since he was passed over for the leadership position in favor of his younger brother. >> he was not seen as being capable of dealing with the blood sport which is north korean politics especially from succession to consolidation period. he was seen as being potentially too weak. >> now analysts say he's in a network of children of the elite who allegedly bring in money for the regime from black market deals. another brother who was passed over the oldest embarrassing the family in 2001 when he was caught trying to get to toek
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ya's disneyland on a fake passport. he's said to spend his days traveling and back ling. which sibling has real influence? it's not kim jong-un's younger sister. he says there's another shadowy older sister. she's the quote purest of the pure because she's the only one among kim and his siblings ever officially recognized by their grandfather, north korea's founder. >> she is a person who has her finger on the pulse of the regime. he's probably helping them in mentoring them in the relationship building that needs to be done for kim jong-un to be able to con toll sol date his power. >> and kim and his family run a network of spies. one spy told cnn north korea has legion of operatives inside the u.s. and south korea. kim's regime is said to use what they call anchor children.
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>> certainly an agent who would be operating by him ore herself would have their family left behind and north korea would use that as leverage. >> not former spy told cnn his entire family was executed back in north korea for punish him for not fulfilling his mission. >> brian todd thank you. i want to go to gordan chang, north korea takes on the world. kim-jong-un kim-jong-un's brother, at the eric clapton concert, a celebrity were real? >> he's from the most fascinating family on earth. they can incinerate any city on the planet. these guys are grotesque. their grandfather started the
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korean war. their father was sun sick dude who really liked very young girls and had a nasty habit of killing people with his revolver. these kid got a lot of money. what's not to love? >> so gordon i mean when you talk about the proclivities the mother with the obsession with young blonds swedish mistresses. there's another older brother who apparently was caught going to disneyland on a fake passport. i know you know a lot about this. he had misstresses with him as well. this is what they do? >> this is of course what they do. the one who was caught in japan had two women. one of them wasn't his wife. they had a four-year-old son and they probably had a lot of counterfeit $1000 bills. he was also probably working with north koreans in japan because there's a big network
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there. this is really dirty business. the reason why they had a fake passport is because nobody around the world is going to recognize a north korean passport unless you're going to zimbabwe. >> we have reported as you know, on kim jong-un executing high ranking officials including aunt and uncle maybe. family members. will he ever kill them. >> he probably will. he won't kill the eldest brother because he's in china and he just can't kill somebody on chinese soil. and i think beijing has told him that. now the one who loves to go to clapton concerts within he's not a real factor. i don't think he's actually going to kill his older brother.
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international. great stuff this weekend and thank you so much for joining us. have a wonderful weekend and memorial day. set your dvr. "ac 360" with anderson starts now. >> we have breaking news. one of the key witnesses changed their story in the multiple mores that shocked washington in the country. changed their accounts of what happened. one of the many things we are learning since the take down of the suspect and fugitive. went is in jail held without bail in the fillings of the family including their 10-year-old child philipp and housekeeper. in a moment we will look closer at the evidence that investigators say ties him of the horror that unfolded in the home last week. four people held captive and terrorized and