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thanks so much. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" starts now. a shocking claim. a woman comes forward to say denny hastert abused my brother but the question is are there more alleged victims? it could be the biggest cyberattack against the u.s. government ever. the breach impacting millions of americans and setting up a showdown with china. trapped above 13,000 feet. more than 100 climbers including americans facing landslides and storms. crews right now racing to save them. good morning, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. bombshell revelations in the scandal involving former house
speakerhastert. she says her brother was sexual abused by hastert when he was a wrestling coach in the 1970s. the first name of an alleged abuse victim to emerge since hastert was indicted for unrelated charges alleging bank fraud and lying to the fbi about trying to pay out $3.5 million in hush money. >> during the interview, the woman describes when her brother first told her about the alleged abuse. >> i asked him, when was your first same-sex experience? he just looked at me and said it was with dennis hastert. i know i was stunned. i said why didn't you ever tell anybody? he was your teacher. why didn't you tell anybody? he just looked at me and said who is ever going to believe me?
in this town, who is ever going to believe me. >> was it your sense this happened more than once? >> i said, was it all through high school? he said yes. all through high school. here was the mentor, the man who was basically his friend, who was the one abusing him. >> want to bring in cnn investigations correspondent chris frates. these are stunning allegations. >> they really are, john. this is the sister of one of denny hastert's former students telling abc news that hastert abused her brother throughout his high school career. steve was abused by hastert in the 1970s while he was a high school wrestling coach and the boy was the equipment manager. his sister says her brother first told her about the alleged abuse in 1979 and that was the year he revealed to her that he was gay. when her brother, steve, died in
1995, hastert had attended his funeral. she was very, very angry about that. she first confronted him about these allegations at that funeral. federal prosecutors allege that hastert had agreed to pay a different man $3.5 million to hide his past conduct. hastert is now being charged with trying to hide the payments to this other victim and for lying to the fbi. we've reached out to hastert's attorney and the fbi for comment. we've not heard back yet. it's interesting to note that hastert has not made a public statement since he was indicted last week and we'll see on tuesday when hastert is scheduled to make his first court appearance here in chicago what else we can learn. >> the silence has been deafening. chris frates, thanks so much. we want to get further insight into the new details here. joining us now, cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor
tom callan. leave aside banking issues and lying to the fbi and statute of limitations here. denny hastert is accused of by this woman is a serious, serious crime. >> absolutely serious crime. if this were to happen today in illinois, it would be class a-1 felony under illinois law punishment by 4 to 15 years in prison. by the way, mandatory prison sentence. no probation. no community service. mandatory prison had he been prosecuted today on this charge. >> this happened back in the early 1970s. at this point when you hear the story, you wonder if this family has any legal recourse now. >> sadly they don't because of statute of limitations issues. they could have grot a civil case within ten years of
becoming aware of the abuse but the ten-year period is gone because they knew about it as far back as 1979. they'll not have an ability to sue. this suggests there's more than one victim here and who knows how many other victims because it's been my experience as a prosecutor that in these kinds of molestation cases, there are multiple victims, not only one. >> these events took place as far back as 1970. he told his sister 1979. he died in 1995. the time line here is very long. what's the legal impact of the possibility that there are more people out there? there is this deceased man and individual a named in the indictment. any legal impact to having more than one person here? >> there will be in terms of the indictment itself. this is a clever use of a federal banking statute and lying to the fbi statute really to reach back in time and impose
justice on denny hastert for these alleged offenses. >> is that what's going on here? >> it's absolutely going on. i think justice started investigating this and looking at this and when they opened this door, they found this thing that shocked them. they found sexual abuse, statute of limitations that expired and now these two offenses that he's charged with are both five-year offenses. one of them, the lying to the fbi charge, opens the door to discussion of all of these other charges because he's lying about what he's using the money for. and if he chooses to contest this in court, the feds can come in and say we're going to prove you were covering up a history of sexual abuse of children. that's why you told the lie to the fbi. >> the sister said in that interview the fbi reached out to her and came to speak to her. when you talk about statute of limitations and the fact they caught him with these other charges, bank fraud and lying to the fbi, why was the fbi wanting
to speak to her? purely part of the investigation to see if there was anything there or was it to be kind and let her know this was about to happen? >> i suspect they were talking to her in the event that they would use the family's testimony in the lying to fbi count because, remember, the fact that the statute of limitations is gone and family can't prosecute doesn't preclude federal prosecutors from saying he lied because he didn't want this to come out. it would have been destructive of his career as a lobbyist and opened other allegations against him and provides a strong motivation to lie to the fbi about why you're taking all of this money out of the bank and paying it somewhere. >> now we have this story and still individual a, that person not named in the indictment. that person is still out there of course. we'll be following this. there are developments. thank you so much. >> thank you, kate. coming up for us, dozens of climbers including americans are right now trapped after an
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suspect today. his brother admits that usaama was shnot shot in the back as initially thought but said he wasn't connected to isis or planning to behead anyone. >> we dispute it. we don't know that to be a fact about usaama. we're a muslim american community. i think really you have to start speaking more about the muslims of america and not the muslims in syria who were doing bad things that don't like america. speak about the muslims who live here and like america. that's me. that's the rahim family. >> so if what police say about rahim is true, what is it that draws kids to isis? what is it? a group called mothers for life is trying to take on the terror group to combat just that. posting an open letter on social media to try to open the eyes of
families to terror recruitment. joining us now is one of those mothers. her 22-year-old son was recruited by isis. he ultimately died in syria. as we listen to the family of usaama rahim and they say they knew nothing about him being radicalized and what could be going on are in disbelief that it actually happened, we heard that before when people say we had no idea this was happening to our family member. you, yourself, that happened to you. how is it possible? it surprises folks that the family wouldn't know when someone is being radicalized. >> i think it's because we always want to think it's going to happen to someone else first and foremost and it's difficult for us to realize that it could happen to us as well. and it's all walks of life and any family dynamics, social economic dynamics. it doesn't make a difference.
and these signs that we see, they have been taught especially now it's changing, they are taught not to show any signs to parents on how to keep it hidden. as a mother, you can still feel that change. you can feel that disconnect and you can see it within their social circles if they're withdrawing from the usual group of friends. signs you would see for depression, suicide, someone who is joining gangs, going through any of those difficult times. you have to keep your eyes open and determine what path they're following. >> it says it's possible that this brother did really have no idea and it's possible that he was radicalized without brother's notice or family's notice. as you look back on your own experience, are there signs that you can point to that you missed that you look back now and say uh-huh? >> at that time he left in 2012.
in north america we hadn't heard of people joining foreign fighters or no such thing. blind to it completely. when i saw changes within the aggravation, much more rigid views, conspiracy theories, a lot of other issues that he never raised before, i found it shocking but at the same time i figure, okay, he's going through a learning process and will level out over a period of time because i didn't understand that these were warning signs to watch for. >> the family right now are clearly having a very hard time believing allegations against him. from your experience, when did it become clear that your son had been radicalized and that this had happened? >> once i realized where he really was and i started researching and understanding the whole phenomenon going on, then i can look back and say, okay, he started going through
his changes back in 2011. i had start searching and looking and think this changed his mood instead of being peaceful, calm and grounded, he became very aggravated, agitated. instead of us seeing his friends like we normally did, his new friends we never met. phone calls that he would receive he took outside to talk to them instead of speaking in front of us. so he almost had like a private side that he was trying to keep away from us. >> you know, we keep hearing the phrase radicalized online by isis. i'm not sure we fully understand what that means. radicalized by whom and exactly how? how does this manifest itself? >> well, there are actual recruiters out there looking for young, vulnerable people that are looking and seeking for something more fulfilling in life. if they express that, they are online, on twitter, tumband the
build this network and family online where kids can become part of that and feel like they connect and belong without necessarily feeling that this is a violent movement. they discuss what's happening is the media's twisting everything around so what we're seeing is not actually true. >> chris, you are now fighting back. i have seen you say you're fighting fire with fire. you are going to social media to try to open families eyes and trying to fight isis in this regard. how do you do that when you know that the isis presence online in social media is so huge and only growing and you're one woman up against it. >> i'm not one woman. there are several mothers part of our group and they have parents as part of their group. it's a team effort. we're increasing that as we go
along and as awareness comes out. other parents are saying we want to join forces with you. that's what we'll continue to do. they'll continue to recruit, and so can we keeping our children home and safe and realize this is what it is and really what it stands for and what love and peace is really about and it's not about picking up a gun and not about fighting and we can connect at home. just by working together and using those things, social media platforms they're using, we'll turn it around and fight harder for our kids. >> well said. i for one certainly believe in the power of a lot of mothers here. you can do good things. thanks so much. >> thank you. an earthquake at 13,000 feet. now more than 100 climbers trapped including americans. new information on the desperate race to save them. >> cnn goes to the scene of the exact spot where a lion mauled a young american woman and she
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new today, it could be the biggest cyberattack ever on u.s. government systems and it hit nearly every single federal agency. details we're learning today are unprecedented and unnerving. >> hackers believe to be from china may have gotten the social security numbers including the job assignments of nearly 4 million current and former federal employees and that could include workers in sensitive areas of the government like the defense department. the intrusion happened back in december. it was discovered in april. u.s. intelligence says china was behind the attack. chinese officials call the accusations irresponsible. >> i want to bring in someone who knows a lot about this. former u.s. ambassador to china and former governor of utah jon
huntsman. governor, ambassador, thank you for being with us. >> a pleasure to be with you. thank you. >> these cyber shenanigans take a week after we have seen a military face-off between u.s. planes flying over these man made islands in china that china is holding onto. staring them down militarily and we're having this cyberattack on u.s. government systems. is there a sort of cold war here we're beginning to see between the united states and china that is simmering or worse? >> well, what we're seeing is the modern day manifestation of the two most powerful countries in the world. it will only get worse in terms of the cyber aspect which is shocking to everyone if chinese are behind it and i suspect they are were able to obtain by getting the information on 4 million people. for intelligence agencies, this is an absolute treasure-trove. and what's happening in the
south china sea of course will play out for some time to come because these are issues around sovereignty and not easily resolved. this is why in today's world we're talking about the middle east and isis and how to put pieces back together again. there really isn't enough talk about the u.s./china relationship. it's the trarelationship we neeo spend the most time on at the highest levels of government. it's received insufficient attention as of today. >> i have a couple questions on the cyber front. when john brings up man-made islands in the south china sea, you wonder what does the chinese government if it is the chinese government, want with this information but also how threatening are all of these maneuvers? we heard from former deputy director of the cia saying that all of this together, all of this together could lead to a war between the u.s. and china. do you think that's possible?
>> it's a highly competitive relationship. and it's going to remain a very competitive relationship for a long time. it means the united states is going to have to be at its very best in terms of how we operate in the asia pacific region and in terms of assets and strategy and policies we put forward. in terms of the defenses that we put in place against cyber attack. cyber, as we're all waking up to again this morning, is the newest domain of warfare. we have looked at sea and land and space and now cyber is the fourth domain the warfare. we traditional haven't recognized it as such and our defenses are inadequate. >> what do you think if it was the chinese military or if they are connected to this or behind this, what do they do with 4 million records? social security numbers, payroll records? >> well, we'll know shortly who the aggressor was.
if it wasn't the state, it was probably a state linked group. if wasn't a state linked group, it may have been one of many private organizations linked to universities within china who do this routinely and they're very good at it. i would say there's a real motive here and the motive is to better understand the organization of the u.s. government and what better way to get in personnel files and having been through this myself several times, you fill out this highly invasive sf-86 form which details your whole background, where you have lived, who you're related to, addresses, et cetera, et cetera. so this not only allows somebody, maybe the chinese in this case, to understand how our government is organized, who is in key slots, but also some very specific personal information that even security codes are sometimes based on. so this is one step toward
gaining greater access to intelligence so it's a step by step approach but i have to say this one with 4 million people involved would have to be considered a real treasure-trove for at least the counterespionage efforts on the part of china. >> governor, a quick final question for you. this relationship will be an issue on the campaign trail for sure. i just want to get your take on kind of the state of where the race for the white house stands right now. specifically because during your time as ambassador to china, you served with then secretary of state hillary clinton. i have heard your father say that hillary would make a fine president. i want to get your take on where things stand. do you think hillary clinton would make a fine president? >> well, i'm not in a position to be able to make those political determinations. i would only tell you that as secretary of state i was able to work with her. she was hard working. she was professional.
she was on top of the issues and we'll see how she does on the campaign trail. as a republican, as a registered and committed republican, i'll no doubt be finding the best candidate in that field. the world is growing ever more complicated and i heard it said that the 2016 election cycle will bring with it much more talk about national security and foreign policy. i hope that's the case because we've been meandering too long in terms of america's role in the world and what our interests are and how to deal with allies and friends and indeed a broader overlay, a strategy, that will get us well into the 21st century. it's been lacking and we have a perfect opportunity around the 2016 election cycle to have that conversation and i encourage the candidates to get out there and begin that conversation. >> i think we can both agree that you can be a very important part of that conversation. governor, great to see you. thank you so much. >> pleasure to be with you. >> of course. we'll have you back. coming back, hundreds of
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down to the bottom of the mountain and temperatures run into the 90s. this is monsoon season. this earthquake took place just about 33 miles away but nonetheless it caused falling rocks. that destroyed their path. it was nightfall and it's made it very treacherous to go down this mountain and as a result, 137 people stranded here and the weather has been severe thunderstorms, lots of rain and that is adding to the potential for those helicopters to be stranded or to stay on the ground and not be able to go up and rescue these people. back to you guys. >> karen, thank you so much. karen maginnis looking at that. 137 people still trapped on that mountain. a cnn crew went to the south african park where a lion mauled a woman who later died because of those injuries. you want to see what happens. this scary situation when a lion starts to jump at the car while our crew is in the park. that's ahead.
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to charge, there would be nothing that we could do in those split seconds. as dusk approaches, so does dinnertime. the lions who earlier ignored us are suddenly inquisitive, playing, climbing and slowly surround our car. i don't know where it is. where is it? >> it's right here. >> reporter: it's hard to keep an eye on each lion. they move quickly and we check to make sure the doors are still locked. but suddenly -- whoa. my gosh. it's a lot scarier when they are close because you get a sense of how massive they are. the male lion that rushed our car likely met no harm but if one window was down, perhaps even partially, it could have been deadly. >> it can cover a short space in a short amount of time. that's what happened in this incident. the lion slowly approached the vehicle and then suddenly dashed toward the vehicles. there was no time to up a window.
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we are on the verge of an epic television event. >> yes. >> cnn quiz show, five cnn anchors who did not win "celebrity jeopardy" and one who did face off monday in a special '70s theamed contest. >> seriously. >> take a look. >> richard quest, me, you, brook, alison and who else? >> bill weier. >> oh. >> should we start the smack talk now? >> billy weier. >> mr. traveler bill weier knows stuff. >> here's the thing about alison she won the last quiz show, on the winning team. >> yeah. >> she was. you weren't ♪ saturday in the park >> i'm not going to sick with you. >> john berman, since he won
"celebrity jeopardy" is insufferable. >> what do you mean, since he won? >> that's true. >> we're going to win. >> john berman. >> massachusetts. >> that is correct. >> the other team baldwin and quest. >> i'm hoping richard quest will be wearing white polyester suit. >> he's a foreigner. >> punk rock started in the '70s in the uk. >> she's a kid. >> i was part of the '70s. >> bring it. >> bring it on. >> bring it on. >> oh, yes. i mean, really, you guys. look at those beautiful pictures. john berman is mourning the death of his pet rock from 199 and while his '70s nemesis richard quest still has the bell bottoms he wore to the queen's silver jubilee in 1977 they're here we're going to duke it out and do this right. we've named you changed your names to encyclopedia joe as richard said recently and you
came up with a nickname for you, the british einstein. gentlemen, are you ready? >> we're ready. >> heres's the bell. i'm the big winner. move the bell. i'm going to get crazy. don't get handsy. >> come on. fine here we go. >> bit more ritual humiliation. >> sit on your hands. >> the important thing is to focus on me, right. thanks. >> like every day. >> thank you. >> the development of the supersonic '70s jet the concord, this is mean, was a joint project between france and what other country? >> britain. >> correct. one for richard quest. i'm not going to mark these. moving on. thank you. on december 29th, 1972, what famed weekly magazine seized publication? >> "life" magazine. >> correct. >> "life magazine." >> moving on. >> i'm john berman. >> see what i have to deal with. >> you should be careful.
>> next. u.s. entrepreneur robert mccullough purchased what historic bridge for $2.4 million. >> london bridge. >> correct. >> not to be confused with tower bridge which is what he thought he was buying. >> the other options, atchafalaya basin bridge. is that a made up bridge? >> keep reading. >> 1971 a man hijacked northwest airlines 305 after receiving $200,000 in cash and several parachutes and jumped and never caught. what name did he go by? billie jean jr., charles hill, d.b. cooper. >> d.b. cooper . >> correct. >> we're tied. >> where is h.r. when you need them? >> 19 72 what car surpassed ford's -- >> yes. >> the favorite beetle. >> that is correct. >> last question. >> thanks for the context.
>> you can tie this now or lose it. here we go. >> jimmy hendricks passed away in september -- >> yes. >> janis joplin. >> for all of you the question is, he passed away september 18th, 1970, 16 days ahead of what other rock star? janis joplin. why only six questions? >> because. i can think of several very good reasons why we only did six. >> let's -- let's -- now that we've got the end of these questions. >> it's tied. >> the quiz show monday night. >> extraordinary fun i have to say. >> it is. one's colleagues and everyone is competitive but it's for a good cause. lots of money being given to charity. and it's interesting to see one's colleagues. you see a side you don't normally see. >> the humiliated side. >> the tie-breaking question. >> the only reason i was not able to be part of the quiz show. >> you are not born in the '70s. you were not yet alive. >> this is true.
>> i was the oldest. >> i was the oldest by some measure. >> and look the youngest. >> thanks for being with us. see you monday night. can't wait. stop with the bell. >> "legal view with ashleigh banfield" starts now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin with breaking news in the scandal swirling around former house speaker dennis hastert. the sister of a man who died in 1995, a man named steve reinboldt here in pictures tells abc news that reinboldt was sexually abused by hastert as a teenager in the late '60s are and early '70s. her name is jolene and she says hastert then a high schools wrestling coach abused her brother who was the team's equipment manager. and she says, it happened