tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN June 11, 2015 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
"homeland." i think reality tv is in. i think that happens because people need change, and with each passing decade they have a thirst for something new and original. >> there you have it. jaclyn smith thank you so much. we loved watching you. >> thank you. >> we still watch the reruns. that does it for me "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. bloodhounds, put police hot on the trail of those two fugitive murderers. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the national lead -- the search grid for a pair of sociopaths is shrinks after authorities pick up the scent of rich art matt and david swelled six days after their jailbreak. now details on the woman who investigators think helped orchestrate the getaway, including how one of the killers made her feel special. police arrested him for allegedly killing a d.c. family.
newly unsealed court documents reveal shocking details. linkering questions. our exclusive sit-down former president bill clinton responds to accusations that some donors to the clinton foundation were also seeking favors from the hillary clinton state department. good afternoon, everyone. we have some breaks news national by. the bloodhounds have been released and sources say they have a whiff of twot fugitive murderers thought to be slinking an new york farm country. they picked up a scent about three miles away from the prison sliding and shimmying their way to free do you remember through a tangle of pipes and underground pathways. they also have found patches of gras that seemed different from all the rest discarded food wrappers all signs that the two
may have slept there. law invitement immediately set up road blocks. state troopers are also manning checkpoints lining this eight-mile stretch of route 374, all of this ongoing while questions circulate off the role of the female person. even as a new york state official told cnn that mitchell admitted to investigators that one of the fugitives, richard matt made her feel special. matt just to remind you, he's the one of cutting his boss's body into piece with his a hacksaw after beating hem to death. miguel, what's going on right now? >> reporter: they are working extraordinarily hard. some 600 tips they have gone through looking for these individuals, some 500 searchers out there, searching through hundreds of home. they have narrowed this area down to but a five-mile square
area where they are intensely searching. . the search intensifies, bloodhound picked up a strong scent three miles from the prison where murderers richard matt and david sweat escaped. investigators found bedding in the form of matted grass or leaves and multiple food wrappers giving authorities confidence they are closing in on the fugitives. >> we're looking underneath every rock behind every tree inside every structure, until we catch these two. >> reporter: authorities creates a perimeter around the site canvassing -- on edge. >> no they his rally could have been in the backyard the whole time tonight, joyce mitchell a prison worker who sources say may have helped one of escapees made her feel special, but the
official would not say she was in love. authorities are holding off charging officials, because she's being extremely cooperative, and continues to provide information critical to the case. >> she's probably still giving them some information trying to recall conversations that she's had with him over the last couple years. >> reporter: investigators believe mitchell planned to pick up the inmate but changed her mind at the last minute. her cell phone was used to call several people to matt. it is unclear who made the calls or whether mitchell knew anything about them. now, coming back to a live picture, this truck, this flatbed as it moves in a large number eight it looks like large lighting arrays they probably will be moving into the search area. those are with the new york state department of transportation. a lot -- and several other -- actually another flatbed is coming down the roadway here.
as they have to detour all the way around here. i should say about mrs. mitchell her family has come out very strongly saying there was no love connection between her and those individuals. she was trying to help them if anything and she was just the wrong person wrong place, wrong time. >> miguel marquez, thank you very much. we're in dannemora outside the prison. paolo, what's next? >> investigators saying they are going to continue to move forward with the search. yesterday we heard from governor governors both of new york and vermont, saying they promise to work behind every rock and every tv and perhaps nobody is watching as closely as the people of dannemora. they tell us there's a bit more tension in the air here as many
of them had assumed that both sweat and matt had moved on potentially left town left the state, even left the country. now with this brand-new discovery, some of the people some of the neighbors we have spoken to here jake are now concerned. there are system people not even get to work because of the roadblock. also school canceled today. there's still question as to whether or not classes will resume tomorrow. perhaps nobody want this to end as much as law enforcement, jake from our vantage point here at the gates of the facility we have see law enforcement come and go in the large transport advance that have been used to shuttle officers back and forth. you can see it on their face they hopeful that this will end very soon and these two guys will be back behind bars but at the same time you can notice they are fully aware there's so much work left to do. >> less 'bring in mike earp he's author of "u.s. marshals"
inside america's most storied law enforcement agency. yes, in case your wondering, his an crestor was the legendary wyatt earp. so you've -- how fresh does a scent have to be for dogs to pick it up. >> that's the first thing to determine, how active they hit on it and how far the trail will lead them. that will tell them how current the scent is. that's exactly what they're surrounding, but at the same time they've got to put their perimeter around that entire area because that could have been -- okay we know it was last night, hounk have they been gone and how far did they make? they're all over it, but they have to be vigilant about the rest of the area. >> if a dog picks up a scent, does that mean it could be more than a day or two old? it's been raining up there. >> exactly that. it depends on weather conditions and what type of dog. i've had some dog handlers that
say, you know this is what my dog is good for, you know 24 hours, and he'll hit on it. others say theirs can go longer so i'm not sure. it would be up to the dog handler. >> do you thinks these fugitives, based on your experience would probably be attempting to move mainly at night? if so does law enforcement continue to search during the night? >> absolutely. the teams out there, the vare injures s.w.a.t. teams, search teams are continuing through the night. they also have aviation support, whether they flir devices to pick up heat signals, things like that. more than likely they are moving at night. being summertime we have more night than nighttime, so laying low during the day generally and moving at night. we've heard there's about 500 state and troopers working on the scene working the grid. is that enough? >> that would be determined by
the command post there by the state police. >> based on your experience. for the geographical area they are doing, and you've got to remember they're doing -- out there 24 hours and in shifts. they have dogs on shifts. 500 is a lot for the area that they are looking at. but at the same time they're sending leads out all over the country. i know from source marshal's task forces are running all kinds of leads that have developed and come into the command post. there's a lot more 1r06d than just what is there? >> i imagine they have night chef vision gogels. >> right. >> what other technology? >> primarily the night vision. they still have dogs out, and the aircrafts and aviation they'll have helicopters out there, as i want earlier. they'll have plane it is with the heat seekers on it to see if one of the cabins up there, somebody has broken into it supposed to be empty, it resonates with a heat signature, they're going to go search it.
>> these are drones or manned vehicles? >> from what i understand they're manned vehicles. >> and they just have a special infrared detector that picks up heat? >> yes. >> how can you make sure they're people not animals. this is a wooded area of new york there might be bears, deer. >> that's exactly right. any body heat will resonate. they note the difference generally between them but they'll have to search those. you're exactly right. they can tell usually a figure if it's moving. they have looked at that so long, they are experts on that. >> how do you do this without tipping off the convicts who for all we node are in a cabin watching cnn? >> we've had that a lot. they said we knew where you were that kind of stuff. it does happen. in this day and age, when they went through an elaborate part of their escape they knew how much law enforcement was going
to exert on them to chase them. after they lost their means of transportation and are on foot they know you know -- well they can hear it if they're in the area they know how much is going on each day and night. you might be right. one of the things that law enforcement worries about is they break in somewhere, make a home invasion maybe have taken the subjects hostage, or broken into a camp and turned on the tv and watched what's going on. a chilling thought. retired u.s. marshal mike earp really appreciate it. the public has been told to be on the lookout, but what do you look for? fugitives don't just cut their hair. they've been dorn to burn off their fingerprints or go under the knife. does that work? have they changed their appearances? that's next. big day? ah, the usual.
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welcome back to "the lead. "i'm jake tapper. we have more on the national lead on the search for those two fugitives. bloodhounds are thought to be on their tracking now, while the whole region is on edge. would the people in the area recognize these fugitives? the mugshots have been plastered across tvs, billboards and newspapers for six days plenty of time for the two fugitives to have changed their appearance, even alter their tattoos. tom, you have been digging into ways that they can evade capture. >> sure. when you find them they may not look at all like the guys you're looking for. in movies like "the fugitive" and "gone girl" people on the run undergo dramatic changes.
>> seen anything like that around? >> every time i look in the mirror pal. >> but in real life it can be even more startling. audible ray lee price in georgia, authorities say he bilked investors of millions, faked hi death, and then left his white-collar appearance far behind becoming homeless doing odd jobs and collecting a stash of fake ids. on you in california officials believe scott peterson was about to run when he grew a goatee and went blond. he was caught and convicted anyway. it has happened over many generations. 1930s, alvin "creepy" kravis and around the world a convicted murderer had cosmetic surgery on himself. in colombia this man who broke out of jail got breast
implants changed his name for rosa lina and hit his name as a woman. in serbia a war criminal took took on a whole new personality. and great faults virginia knows about this dangerous game of hide-and-seek, where a seemingly nice family man named norm hamilton was arrested in 1980 for shooting two men and killing one. it ourns out his real name was bernard welch. and since 1974 he had been an escaped inmate from dannemora, new york. >> there are many, many ways in which they can get tripped up. technology can change they may not have the right cards, identification but this big of changing our identity in some cases it's done so well that even when the officers find them they have to say, we have
to check this some other way, because this just does not look like the guy. yet it is. ronald hoska joins my a former director for the fbi criminal investigation and now president of the law neverthelessment legal defense fund. thank you so much. you could see someone on the street and not recognize them an hour later. how does law enforcement change for something like this? >> i don't see this as a law enforcement fear today because of how recent this escaped was, but law enforcement is constantly looking at not only pictures at boy metrics, which there are great advances. there are automated fingerprint readers that the fbi has put out to the field offices. they can fingerprint in the field and say match or no match very quickly. >> the cops that are looking for these guys i mean are they -- are there also alternate versions like make these guys have shaved?
shaved their heads completely? >> today i don't think that's relevant because you have the lead descriptors, white males of certainly physical description, with tattoos, and so those things are going to be fixed today. they're going to change over time. i don't see any law invitement officer being fooled by five days of beard growth or a shaved head or dyed hair on these guys today. anybody who is in these woods today is going to get identified. >> look at the tats right there, could that be significant? could they be covered up and removed? >> unquestionably. you can tattoo over it, or remove it but it will leave another mark that tells you that snug was under here. over time if they were to slow down and take the time to get tattoos written over that may be relevant. that may be something that's important. not today. they're on the run. >> state records suggest that most new york escapees are captured within 24 hours,
between 2002 through 2013 only one fugitive managed to evade capture for more than two days. does it price you they have lasted out there for six dates? >> well these guys are in big woods, we assume right now. and we thought at first they may have had a way out of this area but now it looks like they may be on foot and much closer. law enforcement will look at their network. if you have a facilitation network. it's going to enhance your chances of getting lost and disappearing. i think they're going to get caught caught near term. i believe this investigation is being very well coordinated by new york state police. the leads will lead to their capture. this will be intelligence driven gull back to the interviews being conducted at the facility increasing circles around their friends, so they're going to crack this case. they're going to get these guys. >> do you think they're still together? >> because they escaped together because it appears as
though they have a close bond i think in their minds, while one sleeps the other can be looking out and listening for footsteps coming through the woods or for helicopters approaching. so i think my estimation is they're better together than they are separately right now? >> cases like this that you're familiar with where have they been hide snug do they find a cabin somewhere in the woods? the back room of a motel? somewhere where people don't even no they're there? maybe in somebody's toolshed? >> it all changes. if you look for further south than a couple hours, ed freen, he didn't go very far at all the, but these are big woods. that's why you hear and sea the value of some of the surveillance assets that are on site much there. these police can get in a helicopter or plan and use forward look infrared that may be more effective than trying to look through the canopy of
leaves in the day. >> and they're presumed dangry no matter what? >> because of their backgrounds, you have to assume these are, a, you know they're dangerous appeared you have to assume they are armed. >> that's got to challenging for people searching, you're not only looking for somebody, but somebody that might snap your neck at any moment. >> if they were to have long weapons in woods like this it is incredibly easy for them at a distance tore covered up with leaves take a shot and hurt or kill law enforcement. terrifying work. thank you so much. the nation's capitol is full the interns, but rarely quite like this. a 167-year-old honors student faces a judge, accused of dropping out of school to work for isis. plus bill clinton not holding back in our one on one interview. i asked him what did hillary clinton know about the foreign donors when she was secretary of state? his candid answer is ahead. ♪ ♪
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writing, passing notes between his bosses and tries, he even got to telecommute. one problem, however -- his supervisors are in syria and iraq and prosecutors say his employer was isis. now he's facing 15 years in prison. let's getting right to joe johns. how did he get on the radar of authorities. >> well he tweeted a link last year in july that was titled bitcoin and the charity of jihad. that will get you on the fbi's radar. ali shuck ra promoted followers for month, but the big reveal game. it turned out to be from a 17-year-old high school dropout. pleading guilty to giving
material support to isis after the fbi tracked him down for recruiting. >> the fbi received information that amin was communicating online with known and unknown individuals and believe to be members of isil and that he was supported violent jihad. >> we know he dropped off a manassas virginia high school in february was a blogger for jihad, the brains behind a controversial now suspended twitter handle known as amariki witness, which promoted itself as dedicated to raising awareness about the upcoming conquest of the americas. >> he worked to create a prolific online presence that included more than 4,000 followers on his twitter account. using the moniker amreekiwitness, he -- >> procedure are prosecutors say
he was instrumental in helping an 18-year-old travel to syria to join isis. the justice department has filed charges against him, too, but he's still believed to be overseas. amin was also help sympathizers by teaching them about the currency known as bitcoin. >> that included how to use bitcoin anonymously. he also engaged in recruitment of people to try to get them to go to syria to fight with isil. amin's lawyer with the teen's mother business his side said his client's fervor was all about opposing the regime of bashirar al assad. >> there is a lot of people of convince who oppose the assad regime and when you share those believes it's very easy to get caught up in joining at least in the virtual world some movement.
amin joins the growing rank of promises muslims who have found themselves in similar situation. he could get up for 15 years in prison. >> joe johns, thank you so much. an update to a troubling story that we brought you in march. in a new report the v.a. clears itself of any responsibility in the suicide of an iraq war veteran, richard miles, age 40 suffered from post-traumatic stress had been hospitalized in the past for prior suicide attempts. in february this year he returned and told katy hopper that he was checking himself into the v.a. hospital in des moines iowa. hospital records stated that the 40-year-old told the e.r. staff, quote, i need help but he was not admitted to the hospital. five days later he was found dead having frozen to death in the woods in what was ruled a suicide. yesterday the v.a. inspector general issued findings
concluding that the v.a. did not deny services that miles had not requested long-term mental health condition. hopper today blasted the report in an interview with me calling it quote, a whitecash, since it does not mention among other things miles ask for help. if the v.a. is not to give extra consideration to people like miles, the policies should change. the v.a. however, disagree. how is that works? questions about the clinton foundation i sit down with former president bill clinton. no question is off-limits. that's next. also the decade that changed the way we watch television to lange wang that may make you wince today.
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. welcome back to "the lead." hillary clinton receiving a bit of disappointing news in her white house bid. her former senate campaign manager and current new york city mayor bill de blasio says he's waiting to hear more from her on income inequality and is a big fan of vermont senator bernie sanders. de blasio will pointedly not attend her official kickoff on roosevelt island on saturday. polls show that -- this comes after controversies over her private e-mail account and big money gifts to the family's foundation while she was secretary of state. yesterday, i sat done with former president bill clinton at the clinton global initiatives
meetings. nothing was off-limits as we also agreed to ask him about questions about issues his foundation is working on, such as the economy. >> i want to address a couple issues having to do with the clinton foundation since it has been in the news a lot lately. i've heard you say that there's no evidence that any of the donors who have given to the foundation received anything in response from the state department while secretary clinton was there. >> nobody even suggested or talked about it or thought about it until the political season began and somebody said what about this? now, some of the companies that supported the foundation for years, many of them before she was ever secretary of state. she was a senator when i left office though -- >> right. >> they do this they do philanthropy too. no one had ever asked me for anything or any of that. >> let me ask you about that. i think a lot of people might
say, okay you say there's no evidence that anything was done for them but can you really say that these companies, these wealthy individuals, these governments, none of them sought anything? i mean some of them did have business before the state department. >> i don't know. you never know what people's motives are, but i'm pretty sure that everybody gait to haiti and their aftermath saw on television and were horrified. >> you're not saying you don't know if anybody sought any favor, just that there was no -- >> no and i don't think hillary would know either. you know she was pretty busy those years. i don't -- i never saw her study a list of my contributors or -- and i had no idea who was doing business before the state department but i will say this. she believed that part of the job as secretary of state was to advance america's economic interests around the world. if she hadn't been doing this economic diplomacy work nobody
would have been doing it. and -- but i never thought about whether there was any overlap. i'll just give you an example. america has always having to lobby for american-made airplanes, because we believe other competition overseas is more heavily subsidized by government. boeing is less subsidized than airbus and we believe it's hard to get a fair deal. i did it when i was president. i thought it was good good for american jobs good no america's economy, good for the national security of the countries involved. so i wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of that wasn't going on when boeing announced they wanted to invest money in haiti to help them recover from their adversity. but i don't think that they did it to make america the government like them better. >> someone recently described
the clinton foundation's purpose as using the powerful to help the powerless. who do you see as the powerless in america today? >> well i would say this. we try to get people who have money to give it to people who don't and give it in a way that's empowering so that it actually changes their lives. but i think people who are working as hard as they can, who don't have enough money to support their kids and immediate basic human needs are powerless. i think people who would die -- give anything to go to work and can't get employment or are stuck in part-time jobs i think people who live in pockets of america, which have been totally untouched by the recovery rural, coal country, the eastern part of the country, the native-american reservations that don't have casinos, they don't have enough population density, many places in the
mississippi delta, and in other parts of the country, i think there are a lot of people who feel pretty powerless, that no matter what they do, they can't change the future that every tomorrow will be just like yesterday. that's how i define powerlessness, not poverty alone, not adversity alone, but the inability to alter your condition. you can see our entire interview with former president bill clinton on my new show "state of the union" that airs sunday 9:00 a.m. and noon eastern right here on cnn. there's a lot more where that calm from. coming up, serious topics, saucy language 'the 70s when television took a sharp turn. a preview inside tonight's major cnn event. and we've learned more about the murders inside the mansion in washington, d.c. new evidence being revealed. that is ahead.
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convulsion all in the fame" "maude" "theever sons" all shows from the '70s, television opened up a new sensible in tv programming. some of it funny, some not so much but it was all provocative and pioneering for the barriers it broke, the topics it covered. a warning -- some of what we'll show you over the next two minutes contains strong language. if there are children in the
room you may want to turn down the volume and count to 120. stephanie elam has the record live from los angeles. >> that's right. when you think about it some of what we are about to show aired freely without any warning on primetime television so the fact that we are even giving our viewers that heads-up about the language says so much about how tv has changed in the last 40 years or so. television in the '70s was a shock to the system. >> our world is coming crumbling down. the could notons are coming. >> reporter: in the '70s language on primetime tv took a grittier tone. >> how would you like it if i called you nigger? >> you called me -- >> that's no worse than honkie. >> it was norman lear who
revolutionized tv. >> it was prompted by what we were thinking about and talking about in our newspapers and in our lives. everything came from that. we didn't have to make up stories. >> they were i got to walk that tightrope. it's more difficult now in a richer more diversed multidimensional society we have. >> take "modern family." >> it's important you celebrate the culture of your an zest orr. you are vietnamese. >> no i'm not. i'm gay. i'm gay. >> no you are not gay. you are just confused. and black-ish. >> mexicans can't by jumping the line. it's bad enough they started taking black people's jobs. >> reporter: these multicultural comedies may still takele it but they don't dare touch the language used. >> it was a floodgates of we no longer say things behind closed doors. reaction of course was being
more politically correct. >> while the themes are still similar, the language they used so blazantly on tv in the '70s is now just cringeworthy. >> why don't you arrest white rachellers? >> i do. >> well where are they? look atally these niggers here. >> it's sounds so uncomfortable, i even trimmed that joke down because it felt gratuitous. instead of an archie bunker tell us who -- we see a more diversion wave the characters for what life is like for a broader swath of americans. jake you might argue that too is progress. >> stephanie elame, thank you. a potentially seismic shift in rupert murdoch is preparing to step down and pass the batten to his sons james and lachlan.
james the ceo, and lachlan co-ceo. murdoch started his career in the '50s. he's worth around $14 million. maybe now is a good time to take some time off and enjoy that $14 billion? just saying. four weeks since the fire and gruesome murders of their family and a housekeeper. today we are learning brand-new evidence found in the home that could explain how this family was tragically killed. financial noise financial noise financial noise
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investigators discovered a long list of evidence including a bloody baseball bat. the documents also described extreme injuries to the victims s. businessman savopoulos his wife their son and their housekeeper. so far they have only arrested one man, darren wint. pamela we've learned more about some of the brutal injuries they have discovered. >> the new disturbing details show just how savage the killer or killers were. the father was strangled. according to newly released cord documents he suffered trauma to the back of a head, and the woman believed to be his wife had lacerations to her throat and head. cnn has learned that he was strangled in addition to being beaten stabbed and burned inside his washington d.c. mansion. >> strangling stabbing these very intimate very one on one,
very close in and it tells me that there's great rage and anger and hostility. >> reporter: police say amy is a volume lulls -- sell vorpsavopoulos her -- where the couple and the housekeeper's bludgeoned bodies were found. >> that particular bat, it doesn't mean that his saliva might not be on the bat. there might be dna. we also don't know whether the perpetrator used gloves so there might indeed be fingerprints. >> reporter: a search warrant also shows that they found tape weapons and half-eaten pizza. also fingerprints and hair fibers that forensic experts say could tell police if more than one killer was involved. >> the average person loses about 100 to 125 scalp harris every day. if you are at a location the
likelihood is high you have lost some hair. that would establish a direct linkage between a suspect and the crime scene. >> also multiple shoe prints including this print left on a set of fremplg deese on the side of the house, leading police to believe there was forced entry. police continue to believe he did not act alone. >> we have learned a grand jury has convened now, we know police are looking at other people who may have been involved including the assistant who dropped off the $40,000 to the home and lied about his story multiple times, but jake i'm total at this point police do not have any evidence to he was complicit in this crime at all. >> still pricing only one person has been arrested but one suspects that more are likely to come. make sure to follow me on twitter. and don't forget to tune in
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