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sousse. and that is it for me. thanks so much for watching. i'll be right back here at 5:00 eastern on "the situation room." for our international viewers, amanpour is next. for our viewers in north america, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. brianna keilar thank you so much. happy friday to you all. i'm brooke baldwin. we all know that dylann roof the 21-year-old who walked into the church in south carolina should never have had that gun he used to kill those nine innocent victims. we are just getting this information coming in to cnn from the fbi. it has been more than three weeks since that senseless and racist church massacre. and today, for the very first time that flag that has divided the state for decades and was embraced by this killer no longer flies next to the state
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capitol there in columbia south carolina. cheers this morning erupting as that flag came down for the very last time. [cheers and applause ] i have nick valencia in columbia but first to the breaking news regarding dylann roof he never should have gotten the gun in the first place? >> reporter: absolutely. that remarkable admission coming from the fbi director james comey. the fbi made a mistake when they conducted his background check when he purchased a gun back in april in south carolina. and basically, it was a breakdown in the system here brooke. it was a confusion with paperwork and with the system. essentially, the fbi examiner
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con ukt conducting the background check never made contact with the police that arrested dylann roof on a felony drug charge and during that arrest he admitted to police that he had the possession of the drugs. had the fbi known that he would have never been able to buy that gun because he would have never passed the background check. so there are a series of -- as director comey says factors that led to this resulted. it is sickening to him and the rest of the fbi that this happened. it's heartbreaking. he said we actually met with him yesterday, brooke and this never came up. what happened was, last night after looking at all of the facts, that's when he felt confident as to what happened here and he reached this conclusion that look we made a mistake here and we should own up to it and that's what he did today. >> so we're learning that as you point out, the system broke down. so pamela brown thank you for
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that intel. obviously we can have another conversation on that and follow up with that. nick valencia let me go to you there at the statehouse. no longer over your shoulder is the confederate flag flying high. can you walk me through what that was like when it was removed? >> reporter: it was there within the crowd and it was mixed emotions. there were some that were turning their backs to the flag removal process because they didn't approve of the decision by lawmakers, a divisive margin to remove that flag from state grounds and still others were seeing this as an historic moment starting chanting to take it down. there was a chance ofwants of usa. as to what happened to the flag it was taken via an armored vehicle a couple of blocks away to the confederate relic room and military museum where it will stay. part of the joint resolution the senate agreement, is that the flag will remain there. they have until january 1st to
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decide how to handle it how it will be displayed. the director was telling me that they are an accredited museum. 15 years ago there was an intense debate about removing the flag from the top of the capitol and it was put at the confederate soldiers memorial. the other flag is in the neighboring museum from where we are, the relic room. so now that flag is there and it's not on display. it's in a storage facility right- now. it's not quite clear when it will be on display but they have until january 1st to figure all of that out. brooke? >> nick thank you very much. we also have don lemon in south carolina. he spoke with the governor there. governor nikki haley about why it was time for the flag to come down and also how lawmakers found a way to finally make this happen. >> it's important for people to know what it is like to be in another person's shoes and if
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you watch the legislative debate that's what happened. people put each other in each other's shoes so they understood what heritage and tradition was and it wasn't about hate but the other side also learned how painful that flag was and the pain that it was causing people. that's what brought south carolina to this new day, was the ability to look at each other and listen and say, it's time. >> you will hear much more with governor haley and don lemon at the top of the next hour at 3:00 eastern. in the meantime staying in south carolina let me bring in representative jerry govan. welcome. >> pleasure to be here. >> pleasure to have you, sir. i know this is very personal for you. you bear the scars not just symbolically but physically from the state's racist past. first, my question to you, why did it take so long for your
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state to bring this flag down do you think? >> well you know we were at this point 15 years ago. i've been here 23 years and a member of the statehouse committee. we had a shot at bringing it down when we renovated the statehouse to do what alabama did. we failed to take advantage of that opportunity. and then in it2000 of course because of the pressure put on by the boycotts and whatnot, under then governor jim hodges with the assistance of the chamber of commerce naacp, the legislative black caucus there was a move to take the flag down then. we came a little short. i want you to know there was partial success because at that time the naval jet, which you were referring to in your earlier piece, was flying above the statehouse and also flown in
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the chambers of the senate and the house. what we were able to successfully do was to have those three flags particularly removed and the one on top of the statehouse to come down. but what happened was when we got into this resolution period like we were the other night in terms of the debate a compromise was reached to put the flag where it currently -- where it was previously flown in terms of the flag of northern virginia which never flew above the statehouse. many of us voted against that particular resolution in terms of saying it wouldn't resolve the issue and we'd have to revisit it but never in my mind did i think we'd get a chance to do it. i thought maybe another generation because of the sensitivity of the issue. >> i'm thinking what would it change in the last 15 years, the symbolism of the flag hasn't changed but what happened in charleston given what i've
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heard, that did it. i want to ask you -- i found it interesting when i was watching the removal this morning and we foe that the governor indicated this would be the case you have these uniformed highway patrol officers really delicately white gloved respectfully removing the flag folding the flag very carefully. with all of these cries on both sides of the aisle to remove this flag it was important, clearly to note the respect that was paid to this flag. and i was just wondering, representative why was that still so important? >> well you know it's important because -- and i'm speaking personally you know as a marine and in having family members who served in the military. you have to understand i think people need to make this distinction. this particular flag that flew at the confederate memorial the confederate monument was a battle flag. so it was held in a manner that
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i believe was appropriate for the furrowing of any military banner. so it's important for the healing that has to take place in south carolina because even though we see the removal of the flag and the symbolism that it represents it means different things to different people. and so even though we see the physical removal of it i think hearts and mipds have to be changed and that's going to take some time. so i think doing it in due and proper order and doing it in a respectful manner. hopefully that will expedite that process of healing. not only for south carolina but i think for the south as well. >> quickly, sir, i alluded to this off the top and would be remiss not to follow up. the physical scars that you bore as a child, can you tell me what happened with the nails? >> well you know the short of it is, the woman that raised me my great aunt and a friend of hers in a small rural area in
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south carolina called roseville we were in the process -- i was between 5 and -- about 5 years old and what happened was, we were on the side of the road a two-lane road a very narrow and a truck came by and in the back of that truck hung the confederate flag and some white youth on that truck. they called us the "n" word which i won't repeat for national tv. i turned around and looked because i heard the people yelling and screaming at us and i happened to turn around and looked and a bag of nails was flown and hit me in the face. and as a result of that and an infection that resulted as a result of that i ended up bearing the scars of which still remain today. it's gone down a lot but every day i look in the mirror and i have to see that and the vestiges and in my mind i can just see that flag and being
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called that "n word and having nails flown in my face. i think that at that point i probably subconsciously dedicated myself as a kid to bring about change and i've been involved in advocating change ever since. >> yes, sir. as a marine i thank you for your service and thank you for sharing such a personal story. this matters to a lot of people. representative jerry govan, thank you, in columbia. joining me now on the phone, one of the country's most leading and renowned documentary leaders, his film premiered in 1990 and it's a symbol of racism and white supremacy. ken burns, an honor and pleasure sir. thank you for calling in. >> thank you, brooke. >> i want to get to your doc in a second but, first, can you react to the news today of the
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removal? when you were doing your doc, 25 years ago now, did you think that the removal of this flag would ever happen in a state like south carolina? >> no i didn't brooke. this is a really good day. but it's only a first step. i think the president said that. i think that governor haley also implied this. we have a lot of work to do to heal what is -- symbols and symbolic gestures are hugely important and this is clearly a powerful symbol and gesture is powerful and we now have to work to change the hearts and minds of people who obviously have inherited a legacy of racism and it's a more recent one. remember as you talked a great deal this is the southern cross that is not the flag of the confederacy. when ft. sumpter fell it was one battle flags of the arm knee of northern virginia and that's it. and its prominence in our
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consciousness has come up only since 1954. now, what happened in 1954? brown versus board of education. this flag became the symbol of entrenched racism. that's very funny because the declaration of independence was written by a southerner tom mass jefferson, even though avenues slave owner said all men are created equal and set in motion this issue of race and it's still playing out today and you see it everywhere and today represent as good first step. but we can't -- as the president said you know we're done with the conversations. we actually have to go in and examine hearts and find out why we still judge people based on the color of their skin and not the content of their character. >> that's right. let me just pause and explain to our viewers what you are looking at. now the next step is the removal of the flagpole.
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that process has just begun. ken burns, i am so glad you bring this point up because there has been much to do about this flag and it's been significant. but charles blow -- i read an article in his opinion piece from the "new york times," precisely to your point he wrote this that the removal of the flag is well and good and yet there is a big part of me that still believes we are focusing on the 10% of the iceberg above the water and not the 90% below. when do we move from our consensus of taking down symbols to the much harder important work of taking down structures? i worry much less about symbolism of racism than i do of the individual expressions of racism than i do about institutional expressions of racism." my question is in terms of content of character, how do we take this conversation -- what do we need to tackle next? >> we don't want to diminish in any way how important this was. remember when the alabama governor a week or so ago takes
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the flag down and now south carolina the birthplace of the confederacy that never once mentioned in its articles of secession but mentioned slavery changes, that's a big deal and symbols are important and, yes, maybe all we can see on our horizon is the tip of the iceberg and, yes, of course as in all things what lies below. we have to roll-up our sleeves and say, let's examine this. where do we suddenly get the idea of keeping our heritage when it is not. it's about keeping our hatred. we don't want to do that. south carolina of all places said you know what we don't want to do this. we don't want to make people wrong. we just want to say this represents something that is abhorrent not just to the african-american citizens of that state or this country but to everyone who believes in what our country stands for, which is
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equality under the law. and we now have to go and say why do these vestiges of racism why does this vestige of discrimination and this legacy of hate perpetuate itself? i mean i've studied through the lynching photographs from the '20s and '30s and little kids are smiling and they may still be alive and what are they teaching their kids and grandkids and great grandkids? somehow we have to stop and say this greatest of all countries has this original sin, a country dedicated to human rights. what can we now do beyond the important symbols? and this is a hugely important symbolic moment a. day we should cherish. but how to move forward is the question. it isn't just continuing to move all of this around our place. we have got to go deep into this. and i think learning our history
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and understanding that if you're about heritage why aren't you flying the stars and bars? what flew over ft. sumpter? and now the battle flag that has come to mean in the last 61 years resistance to desegregation. >> they are questions that we should all be asking and rolling up our sleeves and delving deeper. may this be the beginning of that. ken burns, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. thank you. let me point out, the remastered version of his classic civil war documentary will reair this september, 25 - years after it originally aired. ken burns, appreciate it. next after one of the worst data breaches in u.s. history, a major resignation today. the head of office of personnel appointed by president obama now stepping down. we're getting late reaction from the white house, next.
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you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. the worst data breach in history has cost millions their privacy and has cost someone their job. katherine archuleta has stepped down. calls for her resignation has grown after the number of victims was actually 22 million. that is more than five times that original number reported. >> director archuleta did offer her resignation today. she did so of her own volition. she recognizes as the white house does the urgent challenges facing the office of personnel management require a manager with a specialized set of skills and experiences. that's precisely why the president accepted her resignation. >> the white house has named beth cobert as the interim
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it's as if now that it wasn't even there. this big day in the capital of south carolina. the confederate flag is removed and now the pole. nick valencia the pole is officially coming down. am i understanding correctly that the pole as well is heading to this museum? >> reporter: that's right. this is part of the process. we were told this by legislators that not only the flag was going to be removed and sent to the confederate relic room and also the flagpole as well as the fencing. there was fencing surrounding that pole so no one could get in. that didn't stop one activist from climbing that pole and bringing it down. as we've seen in the last few minutes, moments ago as we were showing here on cnn, that
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flagpole being dismantled and now it is making its way as the confederate flag did to the confederate relic room and military museum a few weeks from here. as we've been reporting, they have until january 21 to to figure it all out. the director is still unclear how they are going to exhibit this at the museum. brooke? >> there was no police system once the compromise was reached after the last debate in 2000. it was flying high and it was significant because the person shimmied up the pole to take the flag down. nick valencia, thank you very much. he's going to need a bigger venue. donald trump reportedly switching venues ahead of his speech in arizona because of popular demand. is this growing interest an incentive for donald trump to remain controversial? next. ♪ i'm the biggest threat your business will ever face. your size, your reputation mean nothing.
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trump, pick your adjective. bold brass, bombastic? he's lighting up social media. 48% of all the social and media conversations about the 2016 elections involve donald trump. let me show you some numbers. from june 30th to july 6th donald trump was mentioned on either social or regular media more than 1.9 million times. compare that to the candidate receiving the next highest number mentioned, hillary clinton, mentioned 448,000 times. as much controversy as donald trump stirs up he told our anderson cooper he's serious. >> i'm in it to win it. we'll see what happens. i'm going to have thousands of people that work for me standing up saying we love trump. what i'm going to do for the latinos is i'm going to create jobs from china, i'm going to take jobs excuse me from mexico japan, where they are sending millions of automobiles
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all the time and we get nothing out of it. i'm going to bring jobs back and the latinos are going to be able to work and make money and they are going to vote for me and i'll take them away from hillary clinton. >> let me bring in matt lewis, peter beinart. welcome to both of you. matt you're up to bat first because you just heard donald trump tell anderson cooper yes, i'm in it to win it and it's impossible to crawl into the heart of mind of donald trump but do you think he thinks he can win? >> i think we have to take him seriously at this point. he's polling in -- depending on what poll you're looking at early stage national polls. i think he is tapping into something. some of it is positive. look i think that there are a lot of americans out there struggling and he talks about jobs and he's not a politician. i think, you know politicians
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have become almost like game show hosts. he appeals to something that is positive but there's the dark side of course as well and that's the part that i think republicans are really afraid of. he's tapping into something that's not so pretty sometimes as well. >> i want to get to that fear in just a moment. but, you know maybe take him seriously but the corporations certainly aren't and peter beinart, that was the title of your piece. his comments for example, but undocumented mexican immigrants which then led to major corporations, nbc, univision cutting ties, "views once acceptable are now not acceptable". >> they have been running in elections against immigrants and going back to richard nixon in
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and it's been effective. there's a market for that to some degree but there's an economic consensus that it's unacceptable and it comes down on you much harder than it did a generation ago. that's what donald trump is facing here. it creates a really interesting dine nam mek dynamic for the republican party. they are probably -- >> democrats are loving this by the way? >> democrats are thrilled but the problem that they have is there is some segment of the republican base which actually really resonates to what he says. some of the uglier stuff, too. >> so staying with you, it resonates because as you look at our recent polls, number two behind jeb bush and your point is the blow back is louder? >> the blowback is much greater and hitting him in his wallet. i think ultimately donald trump politically is going to collapse like a pinata. once people start to take him seriously as a candidate and
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apply the same scrutiny that they apply to other serious candidates he can't withstand that scrutiny. he doesn't have an organization in iowa or new hampshire. >> and matt, i know you've written about how he absolutely should be part of the stage which will have many a podium in that first republican debate that he should be able to be part of that but you also make the point that yes, he says these horrible things and maybe some of the republicans are cringing and it's great for trump because we are talking about him again and it's buzzy and you make note at the end of your piece about a rope and letting himself hang himself? >> yes. donald trump is not a conservative. if you look at his record he's a liberal on social issues a liberal on fiscal issues. the only thing that makes him quote quote/unquote is that he says
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horrible things about obama and hillary. that shouldn't be a criteria for how to decide whether he's a conservative. the rules are the rules. he's polling in second place. if you were to now retroactively disallow him from the debates, if the rnc were to come in it would look heavy handed like the establishment is rigging the game and trump would become a martyr. i think you let him keep talking. he will implode eventually like mccarthy did. these demagogues will show themselves for who they really are. >> matt lewis, peter beinart, thank you both. >> thank you. coming up next tens of millions of people have clicked on this picture online. maybe this picture. but there's another picture. here we go. trying to find this little girl who was found in a trash bag who washed ashore in the boston harbor. we'll talk to john walsh about what law enforcement is trying to do to find her parents.
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two weeks now and still no answers, no one coming forward to say who baby doe is. this is a facial reconstruction of this little girl believed to be about 4 years of age. her remains were found stuffed inside of a trash bag and discovered along the rocky shoreline of the boston harbor two weeks ago. more than 50 million people now have seen or shared this image of this little girl but still authorities are no closer to identifying her or how she died. some forensic and criminologist experts suggest a family member or someone close to baby doe is responsible. i have john walsh with me, host of "the hunt with john walsh." thank you for joining me. in all your years you were
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telling me that you did this phenomenal work you did, there were ten cases -- >> over the years of babies that were found, some old cases, the boy in the box in philadelphia a baby in miami beach. sometimes they were found soon like this little girl who isn't fully decomposed. that's how the massachusetts police were smart enough to reach right out to the center. my wife and i created that center after adam's murder in 1981. president reagan cut the ribbon on it in 198 had4. the center produced this. our partnership with facebook and youtube, 45 million people have seen this. but they also peruse their database. it's the repository for all missing children and they disperse all of the amber alerts. nobody has really reported this girl missing. >> that's the thing. and that's the question you kept getting when you were doing the
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q & a with your facebook page for "the hunt". >> 5 million people went on that one hour that i did it yesterday live and said why isn't anybody claiming this girl? >> why whaat do you think the answer to that is? >> i believe these are people who live in the underworld of america, maybe not have their babies in hospital they may be illegals from whatever country working here pursing the american dream. she may have died on an accidental death and maybe there isn't a homicide involved but they don't know what to do with the body. they don't want i.c.e. to come and take them out of the country and send them to wherever they came from. so i always say that if you are an illegal and you want to do the right thing, call me. i don't tap calls, trace calls. for 25 years people call me and
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we have recovered children. so if you know the family or think you know something about this girl go to my website, i don't care what your name is. you don't even have to leave a name. cops don't answer my hotline. i have trained operators. that's great way to say, i think i saw this baby in northern california or in texas or in for florida or wherever. i think i know the family. my fear is that whoever killed this girl if she is a victim of homicide -- >> could have other kids in the home. >> they target. they start with one and do child number two. and this could save somebody's life. and look at this beautiful girl. she's thrown away like a piece of garbage. she needs to be buried. there are people that love her and need to come and pray for her and she needs to be put to rest and we need to find out who dumped her in that bay. >> john walsh, thank you. make sure you watch "the hunt
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with john walsh" returning right here on cnn at 9:00 eastern on sunday. >> glad to be here, brooke. it's not every day that we get to see a ticker-tape parade for an entire team of ladies. this is an historic moment for the u.s. women's soccer team. the last time a female sports figure, one woman was honored like this was back in 1960. we'll speak with that owelympian. we'll talk about what that parade means. keep it right here. ain tries to stop you, there's motrin. motrin works fast to stop pain where it starts. make it happen with new motrin liquid gels. heart health's important... you may... take an omega-3 supplement... ...but it's the ingredients inside that really matter for heart health. new bayer pro ultra omega-3 has two times the concentration of epa and dha as the leading omega-3 supplement. new bayer pro ultra omega-3.
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all right. the 2015 world cup champions keep making history this morning. they were the first female team ever to be honored with the ticker-tape parade and, by the way, new york spared no expense
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here. this massive event cost about $2 million with the city picking up most of the tab. that includes the cost of two tons of sha he hadredded confetti. let me take you back for all of you keeping score on history here. look at these pictures. this tradition started with the dedication of the statue of liberty back in 1886 and it was stockbrokers who tossed rolls and rolls of ticker tape out of their windows in lower manhattan. this is olympic skating gold medalist carol jenkins being honored in 1960. by the way, that was the last time new york threw a parade for someone. carol jenkins is joining me from cleveland and also michelle akers. i'm surrounded by some amazing
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women. >> thank you. it's an honor for me to be here with michelle. >> i know. carol, i'm beginning with you. your legacy continues to be celebrated. you were invited to be at today's parade. so can you tell me about what that parade was like 50 years ago? >> well it was just magical, unbelievable awesome. i mean i just didn't realize it was going to be history making and i didn't realize it was going to be 55 years before they would honor women or a woman with a parade. but it's something that you don't expect. you work so hard and this is the icing on the cake. because you get the call and you say, oh wow. marvelous. isn't this outstanding?
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>> but really at the time carol, you didn't think -- you didn't feel it as history in the making and you thought another woman would be honored soon after you? >> oh sure. i mean i never dreamed that it would be history making. and i was 20 years old. you know it's like oh this is wonderful, this is marvelous. i'm going to take it all in and it's going to be a wonderful memory for me. and that was it. >> well i hate that it's history making. i mean does it feel like a celebration for women's soccer or does it really feel overdue for you? >> first of all, carol, wow. good for you. but it is shocking that you were
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the first and that's -- you were the only one until now. so i think it's -- i think it's great for soccer and women's soccer and the accomplishments that we did, this team is continuing that legacy and the goal is to build awareness and appreciation for just athletes and athletics in general. so that's kind of how i'm looking at it. it's like oh my gosh. this is so cool. you know i'm so excited for the team and i'm so excited for the progress that's been made since we first started this u.s. women's national team program. >> and here i am sandwiched between two generations of women athletes here to talk about all of this because we would be remiss if we didn't -- again, i
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know you're not saying michelle that this is a male or female thing but you have to talk about gender equality in sports. >> yeah. >> carol, to you, why do you think so few women have been honored this way? >> you know that's a complex question to answer. but i think it's just -- we have to come to the forefront and i think having this team have this parade -- by the way, i'm so proud of my city new york city to do it that now i believe you will see more and more. you know it's -- since title 9, my daughter was involved in soccer and it was pickup team and this puts it to the forefront and i think the u.s. soccer with their wonderful logo "she believes," now not just for young women and young girls but i think for boys that they can
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dream about wanting to have a goal to be in a sport and to do something and then when you write it down take that dream, write it down on a piece of paper, it becomes a goal. and i think having all of this publicity with it and for the world to see it much less all the united states it gives us all a belief that we can have a dream come true. >> amen. i love seeing those. appreciate it. breaking news here at cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. this is what we're learning out of south carolina now. three weeks after that massacre inside