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erin. >> was incredible statistic. thank you very much. thank you to all of you for joining us. set your dvr so you can record the show watch us at any time. hope-up have an absolutely fantastic weekend. enjoy a wonderfully summery night. and "ac 360" starts right now. >> good evening. we begin tonight with the developing story out of los angeles where donald trump is once again focussing on illegal immigration. and a gathering group of protesters are focusing on him. his controversial comments about illegal immigrants cost him a number of business deals as you know. but as he told me this week he is rich and it doesn't really matter to him. today he is taking a more personal approach. trump is in los angeles meeting with the family of a young man who was killed by an undocumented immigrant in 2008 and other victims' family members. he is scheduled to speak to the media 15 minutes from now. we we bring that to you. we are joined live from los angeles with all of the latest. so what do we know about this meeting? trump is going to have with the
parents of jamele shaw i said was killed by an undocumented immigrant? >> anderson. we understand that meeting is happen right now. it is expected to be an extremely emotional meeting. between the father of 17-year-old jamele shaw and donald trump. this is a meeting this father very much wanted to have. his son, a 17-year-old football star was shot and killed shot twice by an undocumented immigrant, a known gang member who had been released from prison the day before his son was killed. he says he hasn't been able to tell his story. his wife was in iraq fighting for the u.s. army on behalf of her country and had to fly home to bury her son. this family says this is the presidential candidate who actually makes sense to them. here's what he said earlier to reporters. >> i was watching. when he said it. i wanted to cheer. it's like man, the relief. for the first time i feel like i
was walking around with carrying a bag of weight, you know it was unbelievable. the feeling to see finally, finally somebody going to do something. because if he was talking like that i know that is going to resonate. >> so while, you can hear all of the protests hatchppening. this is a father who says don't write trump off quite yet, anderson. >> certainly the polls indicate a lot of people are not writing him off. certainly among gop primary potential voters. want to talk to you about the protest you are at. we are awaiting the live press conference trump is going to have with the family, at the podium where it is going to happen. we understand it will happen any moment. we will bring that to you live. in terms of the protest, what size is it? who are the protesters? and what is their message? >> you can see kind of for yourself this is one corner of the protest -- one quarter of the protest. it is hard to show you how large
it is. the sidewalk stretches all the way around the block. from i can see just from where i am standing it looks like it has suddenly grown in the last five off to ten minutes. it is now at least several dozen people. and they said that they had a hard time parking. this was supposed to start 30 minutes ago. you can hear the passion in their voices. people are driving by honking their horns. they all have the same message they're offended by donald trump and they're using the #dumptrump hoping people on social media will also take their side. >> relatively small numbers of protesters. in terms of the location this is at a different location than where the trump press conference is going to take place, correct? why are they protesting at the location they're at? >> they're protesting here because this is the hotel in brentwood where this evening trump is scheduled to speak. he is scheduled to speak in front of a group called friend of aid, the one and only
according to their own definition for conservatives and the entertainment industry. a private event. not open to the press. but donald trump will be driving by all these people you are seeing as he arrives for that event this evening. >> all right. appreciate that. we'll bring you the press conference when it happen. we are anticipating that really any moment from now. we do want to bring you tonight's other big story. a pick schur sharedture shared millions of time on line heartbreaking tragedy, computer generated image of a little girl. seeing her there. found on the shore of boston are bar stuffed into a garbage bag. now authorities do not know who she is. how she died she was thrown away like trash. they only know that her body was found two weeks ago on a narrow peninsula along the shore of deer island. randi kaye tonight reports. >> reporter: boston harbor's rocky shoreline where this little girl's bed was first spotted. a woman walking her dog noticed a plastic bundle and called police. investigators found the child's
bed here wrapped in a black plastic garbage bag, just discarded like a piece of trash resting along the rocks here. this is deer island. just east of boston's logan airport. there as you get here by car or by boat. authorities don't have a clue who the child is. they're calling her simply baby doe. they also don't know who put her here or when. but they suspect she hadn't been dead very long. a make shift memorial with teddy bears, now sits by the shore. how disturbed are you by this discovery here? >> absolutely disturbed. you know it's just a little kid. never had a chance in this world. you know? it's terrible. >> reporter: the national center for missing and exploited children generated this computer image of what she may look like. long, brown hair sweet chubby cheeks and big brown eyes. heartbreaking and haunting. who ever left her here may have done so after dark to avoid being seen.
deer island is a busy place. it's a popular spot for biking for jogging, and even for fishing. and there is also this big walterwaltter treatment facility here with a lot of people going in and out. >> i grew up here -- even if it is a kidnapped kid, you know what i mean. >> reporter: 3 1/2 feet tall weighing 30 pounds. investigators believe she is 4 years old. likely hispanic or caucasian. in this computer image she is wearing small gold earrings. so someone took the time to get her ears pierced. authorities don't have much to go on. but they did release pictures of some of the evidence. a zebra blanket found with her. and polka dot leggings she was wearing. they hope it will jog someone's memory. this photo along the path near the shore may help someone remember too. >> the sad part of this is that somebody has how to know this child. nobody has come forward. that's the sad part about it. >> reporter: authorities were looking to see if baby doe might be one of a handful of
high-profile girls who were missing elsewhere. so far, those from west virginia florida, maine, and mexico have all been ruled out. on the state police facebook page the little girl's image has been viewed 51 million times. still her name remains a mystery along with how she died. no visible signs of trauma on her body. randi joins us now from deer island. do investigators do they know how long it is going to take to figure out what she died from? >> they expect at lest a week, anderson. toxicology tests are under way now. they are trying to figure out if the little girl was poisoned or ingested drugs she shouldn't have. anderson adding to the mystery, investigators believe that at least for a while she was well taken care of. she was clothed. she wasn't excessively underweight or overweight. somebody seemed to be paying
attention to that. her ears were pierced. somebody took the care to do something nice and take her to have that done. that is baffling for investigators how she went from that life to ending up on the shores of deer island behind me. and the mystery continues. >> just awful. randi, appreciate it. joining me law enforcement analyst and retired detective harry houck, and ed smart, daughter was rescued nine months after being kidnapped from their home and mary ellen o'toole, fbi profiler. >> ed so shocking to me that no one has come forward to say who this little girl is, not just family members but neighbors. there are a number of people out there who must know her or have seen her? >> i'm sure that's true. i can't iffage in a sweet little girl like this without somebody knowing something. but i believe with the amount of attention that it is getting that you know in the near future we will have an answer to
this. you know certainly the potential that you know something happened to her whether it was accidental or or otherwise and then trying to cover up and not have to, you know say this happened. and admitting to what happened is i think a reason why people are maybe having a hard time coming forward. you know with the finger pointing at them or why did this happen? why did somebody do this? of course it's so hard to think that anyone would put a child in a trash bag and put them out to sea. it's -- it's outrageous. but i am sure that somebody out there knows, knows the answer to this. and with the amount of media that it is getting, and hopefully if we keep it in social media, you know somebody will come forth and acknowledge that they know something of her.
>> yeah. mary how likely is it -- logic seems to dictate this. it must be a member of this little girl's family who is some way responsible for this because otherwise parents, care givers would have come forward already and at least said this child is missing? >> right. in my experience in the fbi, when we had cases of missing children parents will walk over hot coals, they'll do anything to report their child missing and to work with law enforcement. so when you see the direct opposite here no police report so far that have been identified have have been uncovered. and she still remains a mystery. that suggests a couple of of things. it suggests someone much closer to the child which would be the care givers or the parents. it really does at least initially eliminate a stranger again because parents would come forward. and you also have a diechotomy,
the behavior suggests the little girl was well cared for from what we know thus far and the callus behavior where the little girl is leften enin a garbage bag at the shore. one behavior suggests one person involved. the second behavior suggests another person involved. frequently when the cases are resolved you see a mother dominated by a male figure in the family. it's the male figure who dumps the child. so i'm not suggesting that is going to be the resolution here. just looking at the behavior. and that is what you are seeing. this two separate behaviors here. again that closeness surrounding this little girl does suggest it wasn't a stranger. mom and dad would go through hell's fire to report their child missing. and this hasn't happened. >> harry, without knowing who this little girl is or where she is from what is the police investigation look like at this point? i mean if there is no real lead of any kind what do authorities
do? >> well there are things they are doing, andersen. besides following all of the tips that they're getting, this child might have been abducted several years ago. all right, no matter the surroundings of the child's death. if it occurred then the people that have abducted her could not go to the police. so they had to dump the body. because if they didn't they would be exposed as the kidnappers. definitely the possibility there. what the police are probably doing. starting around the boston area looking for all children abducted or missing for the last five years. she could be up to five years old. and then work their way out from that. and we're hoping from the autopsy report that we are going to be able to find something like a pre-existing condition, a birth defect or something that will be able to narrow the search done to be able to find out who she is. >> how critical harry, is it to figure out if this little girl's body was left there or washed ashore? >> it's critical. because it will depend on the
search that the police department does. i'm starting to think the child probably came in with the tide. because, it doesn't make any sense to me to walk through a park and drop a child where the child could be found unless they thought the tide would take the child away. there is a lot of people in that park. so i think that the child was probably dumped in the water some where. we will be able to find out through the autopsy report whether there was water in the lungs or not. if there is water in the lungs we will know when the baby was in the water if the baby was still alive. and the fact that they're able to tell whether she was a white, black, hispanic and they belief that she is either a white or hispanic. so there mustn't have been too much decomposition going on in the body. that's why they think also the baby was killed just prior to sometime when the body was found. >> ed obviously hard to overstate how important the public's help is in a case like this. even if somebody doesn't know directly who she was or who her family was, if they think they recognize something, even an article of clothing or that
blanket, authorities need to hear from that person? >> absolutely. and i think that is truly one of the keys. that is the potential in finding her. hopefully -- you know dna has been taken from her body and matched into the database to see if there is any kind of a match. i would be curious to find out if that happened yet. but i think that absolutely that is probably our biggest hope. the more an association can be made from you know remembering those clothes with the little girl. you know that the blanket. certainly those things. the fact that the blanket is there with her would make you think that you know she was -- being cared for or was being, you know, held. kind of a mystery. >> i'm sorry, mr. smart. there is one very important factor here. that computer generated
photograph of her -- does not look 100% like her. all right. it's similar. so if people are looking at that photo and saying oh the girl i am thinking of doesn't look like her. we want-up to call the police any way. a similarity of what she might look like. >> right. a good point. harry, appreciate it. ed smart, great to have you on. mary ellen o'toole. let's hope all this attention help. also a reminder awaiting a press conference from donald trump in los angeles. controversial, it is no doubt. he is meeting with a family members of of a young man who was killed by an undocumented immigrant. supporters of trump say this exactly proves his point about illegal immigration. those who oppose donald trump will say this is essentially using an individual to tripey to prove a political point. we will bring you the press conference. more also about how this image of this little girl came to be. harry talked about some of the technology behind it. the computer rendering and how it can save lives. how accurate really is it? we'll talk to michael murphy
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computer generated image of the little girl whose remains were found stuffed in a trash bag along the shoreline of boston harbor struck a chord with millions of people. the picture may not be entirely accurate but all thrtsauthorities have to go on right now and these types of images helped solve other cases. >> caller: >> reporter: it is the face that won over the country. a computer generated image of a little girl baby doe. her real name issen enunknown. a forensic artist used pictures from the morgue. >> when we are createing the images we are studying the face very intensely. we are doing our best as forensic artists to come letplete
a composite. >> reporter: there have been 50 million page views of baby doe's picture. >> the center did the composite. very realistic. >> reporter: forensic imaging and age progression are often fairly accurate and can help find the missing or unidentified children. >> i will see a child that's been recovered after 15 years, 10 years and go it is amazing how close the computer generated image is to what the child looks look now. >> reporter: age progression composites have been instrumental in investigations across the country. sarah brinn abducted by her father when she was 3 years old. 3 years later in 2002 she was reunited with her mother. jonathan ortiz was kidnapped by his mother in 1992 after she poisoned his father with an insecticide laced milk shake. his forensic composite helped crack the case to find him. according to walsh's nonprofit organization the national center of missing and exploited children since the beginning of their forensic imaging unit in
1990 there have been over 6,000 age progressions done for missing children. and 1,300 have been found or identified from those forensic if images. precious doe was found murdered in 2801, a computer generated image created. precious doe was identified as ericka michelle maria green. note the similarities. jaycee duggard kidnapped in lake tahoe in 1991 missing more than 18 years until she was found alive this computer generated image of her during the teen years was based on dugard when kidnapped at 11-year-old. the picture on the far right of your screen is the real dugard in 2009. although baby doe won't have a chance at life her identity could provide a dignity for her legacy. >> somebody knows who she is. do the right thing.
make that call. >> jeanne casarez, cnn, new york. >> joining me is coroner/medical examiner michael murphy who works with the center for missing and exploited children. mike can you just explain the process of creating these kind of images? what do the artists actually start from? >> well the artist starts from a lot of different beginnings. in this particular instance, law en enforcement was able to provide us with pictures. the artist matches science and artistic talent to ultimately create the image we are talking about today. >> so it is a picture of, i don't want to get too graphic of the remains. and then the artist kind of builds on to that? >> that's correct. sometimes they're dealing with remains that are fully intact t in some instances they're dealing ridge nameoriginally a skull or bones. so it depend on the particular case. but the artist will take the science that they know and then
they will apply their artistic talent. >> what are the limitations to this technology? because i understand race is something that that can't necessarily be determined. >> when we say race can't be determined we are always very careful when we try to assign a race. that's because as we become more and more blended as a society. we don't want to put a particular case into a specific notch or into a cubby hole so to speak where people are thinking of it one dimensionally. we want them to look at the picture, apply what they know looking at the re-creation they're looking at it with the idea is this the little girl that is next door i haven't seen for several days. is this some one i have seen before. >> right now. want to show you done aldald trump's press conference after meeting with the family of jamele shaw. >> -- their children incredible children. in some cases they were grown but to the families they will always be their children.
we were discussing that. and there was no reason for it. people came into the country illegally and killed their children. and it is a very very sad thing what is happening with our country. with respect to whether you want to say illegal aliens illegal immigrants illegals and nobody wants to talk about it. we just spent a lot of time discussing what happened. and the folks were telling me something that was incredible. whenever somebody hears that it was an illegal that was involved with the death of their children it becomes politically incorrect for a politician to help them. that's how messed up our nation is. and what happened the other day
with kate was incredible. and very interestingly i started about a month before talking about the borders. everybodieny enin the press knows i have been talking about this for years. and right after i caused controversy and for no reason because i was talking about mexico is sending people that mexico doesn't want and everybody knows that's what i was saying. and everybody knows that i have great relationships with mexican people. i have many many people who work for me who are mexican. they're phenomenal people. i love them. they're enormously talented tremendous spirit. i have great respect for the country of mexico. the problem is the country of mexico has leaders that are far smarter than our leaders.
far more cunning than our leaders. their negotiators are much better than our negotiators. they're sending people into our country that we don't want but we take and that they don't want. and you know who they're sending. now the problem is you will cut the statement in half you'll cut it down so you'll leave out, what i said. which you always do. because the press in many cases is very very dishonest. i have actually learned it by speaking with the folks alongside of me. so you have the illegals come in and the illegals kill their children. and we better get smart in the united states. so we are housing people from all over the world that other countries don't want. they're sending criminals to us and we're putting those
criminals in jail. oftentimes after they have killed somebody or hurt somebody. and whether it's mexico or other countries, they look at it very differently. and very intelligently. why should we pay for somebody in jail for 25 30 40 years, when the united states with very very stupid leaders and representatives will take care of the situation. and i heard they were going to be big protests outside. you heard that. there is hard low anyly anybody. if you look at who the people are and where they cam from,e from they were very well spoken. check out the mexican government. because i have been talking about the horrible trade deals that the united states is making with mexico. and again i respect mexico for it. but i don't respect our leaders.
and those trade deals are taking our jobs they're taking everything. ford is building a $2.5 billion plant in mexico. they're going to make cars and trucks and parts and send them into the united states. we get no jobs. we get no taxes. no tax comes right across the border. and i'm telling you that mexico is more concerned about my talk on trade than my talk on illegal aliens or immigrants. believe me. because now mexico is having a hard time making deals because they're saying oh trump has brought this to light. so i have brought the immigration problem to light. especially concerning the illegal aliens and the illegal immigrants but i have also brought trade to light. because we are losing billions and billions and hundred of
billions of dollars with china and japan and mexico and every single country that we deal with. we don't make good deals anymore in the united states. so i am going to ask a few of the folks to just say a couple of word. this great gentleman, i saw him on television the other day. i had, i had never saw him before. and he was talking about me. i said what is he talking about me? i said what did i do now? i thought you were going to be critical of me. everybody is critical of me. he said donald trump is the only one that speaks up about the illegal immigrant problem. the only one. i said what is he talking about? and then he told the story of how his son who is this incredible young guy, who was going to get a scholarship to college, and a great potential
quarterback, great athlete, was shot from nowhere by an illegal who shouldn't have been in the country. and nobody wants to talk about it. so what i do is maybe we can start right here. go down the line very quickly. and we will talk about it and get it out of your system. because the system is really screwed up. okay. go ahead. yeah come to the mike, it is easier. perfect. >> my name is don rosenberg. my son drew was 25 years old at the time. he was a law student in san francisco. he was coming home from school one night when roberto gallo, an illegal alien from honduras
tried to make a last-second left hand turn and the two collided. they were going very slowly had gallo stopped i wouldn't be here today. my son would have been bruised. instead he accelerated driving over my son's body. my son's helmet had come off, wedged under his tire so he couldn't go forward. he backed up driving over his body a second time. and then went forward a third time trying to flee and the man very brave man stepped in front of the car he stopped and his tire was on my son's abdomen. five men had to lift it off. we were told he was in the country legally which was not really true. so i got involved in this strictly as an advocacy to get unlicensed drivers off the road. the more research i did the more i found out what a problem it was with people in the country illegally. and as i started to testify, sacramento los angeles, police commission all i was hearing
was "well, these people work. they contribute. they have to take their kids to school" like that was a reason that it was okay that they killed people. and every year just driving they kill about 3,000 people. which of course never makes it in the press anywhere. most newspapers now don't even give the license or immigration status when they kill somebody. so that's what it was actually people here illegally that sucked me into the battle. because i had to start researching and find out first of all what they're saying. it is irrelevant. is it true? not only is it relevant. it is not true. it's completely hidden. for all of you who live in l.a. you have a one in five chance if you get hit by a car that that driver is here illegally. and in certain areas, obviously, it is even hyper.igher. this is a huge problem all over.
and as mr. trump said no one wants to are from us. >> i want to bring in panelists, michael smerkonish former reagan white house political director jeffrey lord "american spectator" and investigative reporter john carlos fray. michael as much as trump's comments on illegal immigration angered some people there is a point to be made with these families whose loved ones were killed at the hand of undocumented immigrants that the immigration system in some shape or form certainly didn't serve these families. >> no doubt that is true. the murder of a week ago of kate steinle, was five times able to break into the united states. the political question is one of tonalit, if donald trump is the right spokesperson for the view points and whether this represents a gret stratowth strategy for the republican party.
it does not. this is a compelling presentation because i think these individuals have a great deal of credibility. >> jeffrey, donald trump says he thinks he would get the latino vote. a lot of latinos haven't taken kindly to what he is saying. there is a not huge protest at a help tell where donald trump will appear later tonight. in order to take the white house they're going to need the latino votes. how do comments like the one he is making not make it difficult for republicans come next november. do you believe they make it more difficult? >> well i think in the beginning as people get to know donald trump in a political sense, it causes maybe causes a small problem. but i honestly believe that he'll campaign on jobs there are a whole other set of issues aside from this that i think will appeal to latinos. he will be very direct and go it. and you know i want to say, andersenand anderson one thing that struck me the turmoil, michael brown,
trayvon martin michael gardner, all of them african-americans. one of the gentlemen on the stage, jameel shaw son jameel 17 years old, out of high school was killed also an african-american. we are only hearing about this now. in other word what i am saying all kind of people were out there marching for other folks, all kind of turmoil went on. who was marching for jameel shaw. at this point only donald trump. that says a lot, the killer here was, already in prison is an illegal immigrant. so nobody wanted to touch it. i think right there is the problem. >> john you say that what trump has been doing is opportunistic and that he is purposely used a marginalized group to create political advantage. explain that? >> well if you take a look at statistics and take a look at
reality. we can separate an undocumented immigrant from a criminal. just because they're undocumented doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to live a life of crime. he is cherry picking certain instances albeit tragic and i feel for the family but it's it's pretty salacious to say, basically, that undocumented immigrants are all criminals and they're all going to commit heinous murder. >> in fact -- in fact i pointed this out to trump in the interview that i did with him. there are a number of reputable studies that show there is not a correlation between, you know illegal immigration and huge up tick in violent crimes. in fact. >> anderson not only is there not a correlation, the u.s. border patrol will say 99% of all undocumented immigrants that cross the u.s./mix mixexico border come for a job.
they're not rapists, not here to commit murder. statistics bear out they're some of the safest drivers, try to keep their noses claenean as possible. a blanket statement that people from mexico are criminals to begin with just because they cross the border. we have to take a look at what it is to be undocumented. i'm sorry? >> he didn't say that all mexicans are criminals. he is talking about illegal immigrants. that's what he is talking about. and that clearly is the problem. >> take a look at what the crime of crossing the u.s./mexico border is. a violation of immigration law. it is not something that even warrants an arrest. it's not something that warrants a jail sentence. it akin to a misdemeanor. so to sort of blanket statement that these are heinous criminals is way, is a stretch. and to start a stand on the shoulders. also people who come are poor people. you know for a rich man to
stand on the shoerldzulders of poor people to be grand standing is tantamount to cowardice. >> i am holding three pages from the u.s. border patrol. incident incident incident of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. that's the problem. >> wait is it really hold on. guys. right. one at a time. is it really fair to point out to individual crimes when study after study has said that if you look overall, you know illegal immigration was going through the roof you know and that's not currently, it's actually down about a million based on -- on the latest figures in pew research center. crime was actually going down. so you can't actually all throughout the '90s and 2000s,
crime was going down while illegal immigration was going up. so while you can peckick out a number of horrible horrible cases is it really fair to say, to paint with a broad brush that illegal immigrants are, are, you know bringing this crime wave to the united states? >> it absolutely does not bear out the facts do not bear out. i have been reporting on the border for the last 15 years. the facts do not bear out. it doesn't seem like the facts are important here. this 'tis why this is a political opportunity here. he knows that people run scared. he knows people don't like the fact that people are coming across the border. and i understand that. but to actually make -- to create a political plat foreign minister minister -- platform is baseless and foundationless. >> this rally tomorrow in phoenix, joined by maricopa county sheriff, joe arpaio and
we are told it had to be moved to a larger venue. so many people wanted to attend. he has certainly taken an issue which was not in the forefront of this presidential race at this stage though it has been in the past and brought it to the forefront. >> there is no doubt. he has struck a chord with a core constituency of the republican party. but the problem is that demographics are not on the side of the gop. literally just today in california we passed a milestone where latinos now outnumber whites this had been predicted in 2014. it is a reality. for donald trump's vast level of sophistication you would have think he would have crunched some numbers. taking a look at the electoral model. if he had he would realize he need in 2016 to exceed the nonwhite vote that was garnered by mitt romney running against an african-american. need to exceed the nonwhite vote
that was garnered by john mccain running against barack obama in 2008. this is not the way you do i the long term harm for the gop is this is going to tarnish the brand in a way that lingers long beyond the trump candidacy. so i think that's why there is such consternation within the republican party. that base is not enough to get them home. it might be enough to get someone nominated but not to win a general election. how this plays with independents who are 43% of the country right now according to to gallup that's the real question. >> jeffrey, want to give you the final word. >> two quick word. i think we need better statistics from the u.s. government. as i understand it the gao counts all immigrants in federal prison legal and illegal, it counts illegal immigrants when you come to state and low cull prison. stats themselves provided to all the groups doing research are not very good.
secondly i would say that what donald trump does is -- will appeal directly to latinos. in other word he treats them as equals as american citizens. he doesn't condescend to them and patronize them. i would suggest the reason mitt romney and john mccain lose because that was in fact their approach. that is the sort of moderate republican stance. it always loses presidential elections. >> jeffrey lord appreciate you being on john carlos fray, good to have your voice, michael, thank you. tune in for smerconish. the federal flag removed from the capitol ground in south carolina. my conversation with the descendant of the first confederate president who practically begged lawmakers in a speech to take action. >> i cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body
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days after the massacre at the emanuel ame. the bill sailed through the senate. got bogged down in the house. then jenny horn took the floor and blew everyone away. >> i am a lifelong south carolinian i am a descendant of jefferson davis, okay. but that does not matter. it's not about jenny horne. i cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do something meaningful such as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on friday! and if any of you vote to amend you are ensuring that this flag will fly beyond friday. and for the widow of senator pinckney and his two young
daughters that would be adding insult to injury! and i will not be a part of it. >> well a lot of her colleagues are crediting that speech with swinging the debate in favor of removing the flag on friday today. she joins me now. representative horne, you put so much of yourself in making sure this flag came down. i wonder how does it feel now that it has been removed? >> it feels triumphant anderson. that's all i can tell you. i am -- i was so elate today. i cried tears of joy. for those of us who have always thought that the battle flag did not belong on the grounds, we are just rejoicing today in south carolina. >> as you know a big part of this whole debate has been people talking about their relatives who fought for the
confederacy, who died fighting for the confederacy, saying the flag flying at the state house was a memorial to them. i have relatives who fought for the confederacy also for the union. you have a connection to the confederacy, related to president jefferson davis, you said that heritage had nothing to do with the whole discussion how so? >> you know our heritage is our ancestry. our legacy is what we do while we are here. and because our ancestry is to be honored and revered, i think that in this situation, this flag was a symbol of terrorism for african-americans all over the south. and i would liken it to a symbol
such as a swastika and how offensive that would be for jewish people. >> the speech that you gave on the house floor, i mean it clearly altered the course of the whole debate. i wondered what prompted-up to eded you to get up there and say the words that you did. had you planned it beforehand? did you know what you were going to say? obviously the emotion was so in the moment. >> anderson i had not planned to go to the well as we call it. we had been there all day. quite frankly all of us were exhausted. at one point, someone says i don't know who it was, someone made a glib comment or something that made me just angry. i was so angry that they were making light of such a serious issue. and no one to that point had said anything about the nine lives lost in charleston south carolina and being member of the charleston delegation i had to
get up and i had to try to refocus the debate where it needed to be. i tell you, i have to say it i can't -- this impact on south carolina is -- is -- will go on for generations. we have now dropped the ncaa boycott, i am so proud of south carolina. i am a lifelong south carolinian i cannot tell you just the absolute pride that i have in my state. >> i can understand that. representative horne, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> truly historic day. imagine being told you have terminal cancer to find out later after years of chemotherapy that the doctor your doctor lied to you you weren't sick at all. what happened to dozens of people who finally got their day in court face to face with this man, the doctor who tormented them. that story is next.
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sentenced a cancer doctor farid fata to 45 years in federal prison. a punishment many victims don't kid harsh enough. you will find out why. what he did is beyond imagination. he deliberately poisoned his patients with treatments they did not need just to line his pockets with millions of dollars. today dozens of his patients got to face him in court. jason carol reports. >> reporter: for a time dr. farid fata enjoyed the type of popularity to match his million dollar lifestyle. he lived in this tony mansion and ran several upscale clinics in eastern michigan. when patricia hester started feeling hill in 2010 she knew exactly where to go. >> he is world renowned. when you went in his office he was top doc. >> reporter: that first visit a day she will never forget. >> he won't over the results that he said he had. and that i had mds, mild
dysplastic syndrome terminal cancer of the blood. >> reporter: terminal he did say? hester's story is similar to dozens of patients who prosecutors say fata told they too had cancer and needed immediate treatment. people like robert who fata falsely diagnosed with a rare form of blood cancer in 2010. >> your mouth drops. your heart sinks. >> reporter: imagine one moment not knowing how long you will live then after years of chemotherapy or other toxic treatments finding out your doctor lied. you never had cancer at all. >> what i want to do to him right now, i couldn't repeat what i want to do. just unbelievable. >> reporter: you were under treatment for three under dr. fata. >> three years. yes. >> reporter: three years later you find out. >> it's a lie. it's all a lie. >> reporter: relieved at learning they did not had cancer turned to rage for hundreds of former patients of dr. fata like hester and soberet, two of more
than 500 victims. prosecutors say fata falsely diagnosed his victims with cancer or misdiagnosed them many given unnecessary chemotherapy or other toxic treatments all prosecutors say in the name of greed. fata pleaded guilty to 13 counts of health care fraud, two counts of money laundering and what federal prosecutors call one of the worst cases of medical malpractice in u.s. history. they say fata defrauded insurance companies out of millions of dollars, by falsely diagnosing or grossly overtreating his patients. >> he tortured them till they took their last breath. >> reporter: dozens of patients or relatives of the patients face fata in federal court for his sentencing. they came here to court to read victim impact stachltstements. one emotional story after another. maggie dorsey told the court after chemotherapy treatments she did not need she is a shadow
of her former self. and marietta crabtree read a staement from her husband who died in 2014. his statement read i believe dr. fata knowingly and purposely treated me for the wrong cancer the i am in hospice it is my dying wish that dr. fata be imprisoned for the rest of his life. for his part fata did not acknowledge the patients who gathered at the court. many are dealing with a number of ailments as a result of his malpractice. soberet wanted to face the man who left him with no teeth and questionable future after chemotherapy and radiation he did not need. but facing him in court did not bring him peace. >> i shouldn't have looked at him. he just gets me so upset. now just seeing him today made me sick. >> reporter: anderson. fata did get his chance to address the court. he cried. he beg ford mercy. telling the court he was ashamed for what he did. he apollogized to his patients
telling him he failed them. many patients wanted the maximum 175 year sentence. they got the 45 years which is essentially a life sentence. many for symbolic reasons wanted the 175. >> just absolutely sickening what this man did. jason carol, appreciate it. thank you. i interviewed an amazing young man. a 16 16-year-old young man named hunter freshle attacked by a shark off north carolina coast last month. he lost his left arm below the shoulder. hunter is a fighter and an optimist. we will air my full interview monday. here is a preview. >> that's all i remember seeing of the shark. like the top of his head basically. >> how big was it? >> i don't know for sure. pretty decent size. my cousin was close to me. he says it was, looked like maybe, 6, 7 feet maybe #. >> wow. >> pretty hefty. >> and was it hanging on was it holding on to you?
>> for a little while it was. then it kind of slid off and took my arm with it. >> does it -- >> he adjusted incredibly well. we will have more of that. the full interview with hunter on monday. that does the for us. cnn original series "the seventies" starts now. >> tonight our topic will be murder. as a growth industry. murder has become an epidemic. >> in ten years the -- >> my god somebody fired a shot. >> these tragedies keep getting closer and closer to home. >> just ready to let my kids walk out the door. >> urban crime wave. >> step up mr. bundy. >> there has been a disturbing growth in cult phenomenon in this country. >> i shall be god. and there shall be no other. ♪ ♪