tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN July 12, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PDT
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it all has presidential hopeful lindsey graham fighting mad. >> i don't need a lecture from donald trump or anybody else about border security. >> he'll be here next. plus, the best political team on television is here with insights from the campaign trail. i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is trumped. the billionaire dominated the week swinging through the political establishment like a wrecking ball. his comments about undocumented immigrants raised hackls and roiled corporate giants but make no mistake about it, plenty of people like what they hear. last night in phoenix, several thousand people showed up to watch a roll licking and at times hour long diatribe that was part politics, part performance art. >> the polls just came out. and i'm tied with jeb bush and i said that's too bad. how could i be tied with this guy? he's terrible.
he's terrible. >> this week, the head of the republican national committee asked trump to tone it down to no avail. leaving the grand old party fretting over how to manage their unlikely break out star. joining me now from new hampshire is south carolina senator lindsey graham. senator, thanks for joining me this morning. i want to start off with the fact a lot of people in your party are frying to laugh off donald trump. but when he gets those kind of crowds, you have to take him seriously, don't you? >> well, i'm very worried about where we're headed as a party. i don't think this is the way to get the latino vote. at the end of the day, this is a defining moment for the republican party. there's a lot of frustration with broken borders. i get that. i've been trying to fix the border for ten years. i would double the border patrol, triple the number of drones. all the hijacker who's attacked us on 9/11 were visa overstays. it's more than just the border. you've got to the control your visa program. as to donald trump, he has said
openly, repeatedly, that he believes that most illegal immigrants are drug dealers and rapists and there may be a few among them that are decent people. after ten years of working on illegal immigration, i've come to conclude that will most illegal immigrants are decent, hard working people and some are criminals. this is a defining moment for the republican party. we need to reject this to all the candidates who think that donald trump is telling the truth, i think you've lost your way. as to the republican party. if we do not reject this way of thinking, clearly without any ambiguity, we'll have lost our wear, we'll have lost the moral authority in my view to govern this great nation and i hope we will reject this kind of thinking >> how do you do that? look, he talked about the fact that he is awakening a new silent majority, and the fact is that when he talks about building a wall and sending undocumented immigrants back to
mexico, that has a lot of appeal with a lot of people in your party. you know that. >> well, i can tell you the majority of my party wants to secure the border, control who gets a job. they come here to work. what happened in san francisco is appalling. it's a good example of why you need to fix the system. but to say that all the 11 million illegal immigrants for the most part are rapists and drug dealers is not only offensive at every level, you're telling the hispanic community who are friends, neighbors, and relatives of the illegal immigrant population exactly what we think of you. >> and senator. >> and i'm not going to be part of that. >> senator, you said that the republicans need to reject it. as you know, your party chairman put in a phone call, a private phone call to donald trump asking him to tone down his rhetoric on immigration. is that enough, or does he need to do more? >> chairman priebus has done a good job of rebuilding a party
that was in tatters. financially we were broke. he's rebuilt the infrastructure there. he did a postmortem on the 2012 election explaining to all of us we've hurt ourselves with hispanics. i expect he will do more. at the end of the day, for us to win a national election, we have to do better with hispanics. for us to have the mort authority as a party to govern a great nation, we have to reject this demagoguery. if we don't, we will lose and we will deserve to lose. >> just to be clear, are you saying that the republican party chairman should say publicly what he said he'd private lit to donald trump? >> i think it's not only incumbent upon the chairman but anyone in a responsible position with the republican party needs to say the following to the american people. we do not agree with donald trump when he says that most illegal immigrants are drug dealers and rapists. we have quite the opposite view, that this is a hard problem. it needs to be solved, but most of these people are decent, hard
working folks coming from poor countries, trying to improve their lives and we need to create order out of chaos. if we can't get this right, dan dana, we're going to keep digging a hole and it's going to cost us the election at a time when we could win. >> what has he done to the conversation within the republican nominating process? i. >> i think he's created a defining moment for all candidates. there are some candidates ta agree with donald trump that want to make him their vice president. there are some people who love donald trump and say he's speaking the truth. i think he's being a demagogue. i think he's uninformed about the situation regarding the illegal immigrant population. what happened in san francisco is appalling but it does not represent the 11 million. i think he's hijacked the debate. i think he's a wrecking ball for the future of the republican party with the hispanic community and we need to push back. >> what if he says you know what, you've pushed me too hard if he doesn't get the nomination
and i'm going to run as a third party candidate? aren't you handing the keys to the white house to the democrats? >> i've learned a long time ago that i can't control others. i'm not responsible for what he says. i'm responsible for what i believe. my party is responsible for who we are. this is a defining moment in the future of the republican party. we can't worry about what donald trump might do. we have to focus on what we should do. and as a party, we should reject what he says because it's not true and if we don't reject it, we've lost the moort authority in my view to govern this country. >> okay. let's turn abroad to an issue you've been very outspoken about which is iran. this week you told jake tapper that as president you would move to not only destroy iran's nuclear program but even take out its air force and navy if they went too far with their nuclear program. do you really think americans have the stomach for another war in the middle east?
>> what i said is that the iranians walk away from the table and they tried to break out and get a nuclear weapon. if we can't end their program peacefully and they try to break out, as president, i would stop them. the worst possible nightmare for the world at large is the ayatollahs in iran with nuclear weapons. so if i'm president to the iranians, if you try to break out and get a nuclear weapon, we're going to stop you. we're going to put all the force on the table that's necessary to keep you from getting a nuclear weapon because i'm afraid they would use it. if they get a nuclear weapon, the sun a arabs will want a weapon of their own and we're on the way to a nuclear arms race in the middle east. when dunford said russia was the biggest threat to the united states, i understand that to a point. iran be is the biggest threat to the world and i would not alou law that to happen. >> negotiators are back at it in vienna trying to reach a deal with iran diplomatically.
if they don't reach a deal, you have your own views on whether or not it would be good or bad. if they don't reach a deal, then what would happen?3 >> i'd keep the interim deal in place. ida lou no president to try to close out the deal. interim.deal has worked better than i thought it would. hats off to john kerry. i think the best thing for the world and our country is to let a new president have a chance to conclude the deal with iran because obama is so weak in the eyes of the iranians. keep account interim deal in place. if they sign this deal, they're going to ensure that iran is a nuclear power. under this deal if they do everything we ask after a passage of type, they're going to be a nuclear nation which would create a nuclear arms race. if you give them money without them changing their behavior, you're funding terrorism. >> a republican who is incredibly outspoken against the way the administration is handling iran. you said the interim deal that the secretary of state has negotiated is good and it should
be kept in place? >> yes, i think a good outcome is to basically leave the interim deal in place. i think everybody running for president except rand paul can negotiate a better deal than the obama he administration because when they drew the red line with assad and did nothing about it, they're weak in the eyes of iranians. give the next president a chance to conclude a final ingredient with the iranians and please understand of all the mistakes we can make as a nation, getting a bad deal with iran is the worst possible outcome because it's going to start a nuclear arms race. under the agreement they're talking about, are you're insuring they're going to become a nuclear power. the goal was to dismantle their program. now we're going to lock it in place. let's let somebody new negotiate with the iranians because obama is so flawed as a negotiator. >> thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and when we come back,
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welcome back. hillary clinton is campaigning across the country, but she's dropping in this week on some folks you'd think she has all locked up, congressional democrats. but her lunch on tuesday could be a little bit awkward, thanks to one man, senator bernie sanders who has been giving clinton a run for her money on the trail with his huge crowds and his populist message. but when she sat down with cnn's brianna keilar for her first national interview, clinton insisted there's no bad blood. >> well, first of all, i always, always thought this would be a competitive race so i am happy to have the chance to get out and run my campaign as i see fit and let other candidates do exactly the same. i feel very good about where we are in iowa. we are signing up thousands of volunteers, people committed to caucus for us. we have a committed supporter in
every one of the 1600 precincts and one of the things that i learned last time is it's organize, organize, organize. so i couldn't be happier about my campaign. >> senator sanders has talked about how if he's president, he would raise taxes, in fact, he said to cnn's jake tapper, he would raise them substantially higher than they are today on big corporations, on wealthy americans. would you? >> i will be laying out my own economic policies. everybody has to run his or her own campaign. i'm going to be telling the american people what i propose and how i think it will work and then we'll let voters make up their minds. >> is raising taxes on the table? >> i'm going to put out my policies and i'll let other people speak to their policies because i think we have to both grow the economy faster and fairer so we have to do what will actually work in the short term, the medium term and the long-term. i will be making a speech about
my economic proposals on monday. and then i look forward to the debate about them. >> we see in our recent poll that nearly six in ten americans say they don't believe that you're honest and trustworthy. do you see any role that you've had in this sentiment that we've seen where people are questioning whether you're trustworthy? >> i can only tell you, brianna, that this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many, many years. and at the end of the day, i think voters sort it all out. i have great confidence. i trust the american voter. >> one of the issues that has eroded some trust that we've seen is the issue of your e-mail practices while you were secretary of state. i think there's a lot of people who don't understand what your thought process was on that. so can you tell me the story of how you decided to delete 33,000 e-mails and how that deletion was executed? >> well, let's start from the beginning.
everything i did was permitted. there was no law. there was no regulation. there was nothing that did not give me the full authority to decide how i was going to communicate. previous secretaries of state have said they did the same thing, and people across the government knew that i used one device, maybe it was because i am not the most technically capable person and wanted to make it as easy as possible. >> but you said that they did the same thing, that they used a personal server. >> well, personal e-mail. >> subpoena deleted e-mails from them? >> you're starting with so many assumptions that are -- i've never had a subpoena. again, let's take a deep breath here. everything i did was permitted by law and regulation. i had one device. when i mailed anybody in the government, it would go into the government system. now, i didn't have to turn over anything.
i chose to turn over 55,000 pages because i wanted to go above and beyond what was expected of me because i knew the vast majority of everything that was official already was in the state department system. >> let's talk now about republicans. there are so many. but right now, the front runner. >> that's a big crew. >> it is a big crew. right now the front-runner is jeb bush. can you believe that a quarter century after your husband was elected, there could be another bush/clinton race? >> well, we'll see. that's up to first the republicans on his side, the democrats on my side. what's great about america is anybody can run for president. that is literally true. and you have to go out and you have to do what everybody else does. you have to make your case. you have to have your agenda. you have to raise the money. you have to work really hard. >> donald trump is also creating quite a lot of commotion on the other side. he's a friend of yours, has been over the years.
he donated to your senate campaign to the clinton foundation. what's your reaction to his recent comments that some mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals? >> i'm very disappointed in those comments. and i feel very bad and very disappointed with him and with the republican party for not responding immediately and saying enough, stop it. but they are all in the -- you know, in the same general area on immigration. you know, they don't want to provide a path to citizenship they range across a spectrum of being either grudgingly welcome or hostile toward immigrants. >> but what about jeb bush's approach to that? it's different certainly than trump's. >> he doesn't believe in a path to citizenship. if he did at one type, he no longer does. >> have you given any thought to the woman who should be on the
$10 bill? >> you know, i am very torn about it. i want a woman on a bill. i don't know the why they picked the $10 bill. >> some people are now agitating for the $20 bill. >> do you think it should be the $20? >> i want a woman on the bill. i think it might be easier to change the $20 than it is to change the $10, but we'll see because i don't like the idea that as a cop pro mize, you would basically having two people on the same bill. one would be a woman. that sounds pretty second class to me. so i think a woman should have her own bill and it may be more, you know, more appropriate to look at the $20 than the $10. i don't know, we'll see. >> secretary clinton, thank you so much for talking with us. >> my pleasure, thanks. >> when we come back, donald trump increasingly isolated by his own party after his campaign against illegal immigration. could he end up running as an independent? the ross perot scenario after the break.
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welcome back. the donald drew a huge crowd last night in arizona and floated a new proposal on how to manage immigration. >> every time mexico really intelligently sends people over, we charge mexico $100,000 for every person they send over. >> does trump have his own problem with undocumented workers? our anderson cooper tried to get to the bottom of it. >> "washington post" say some of the workers building this beautiful hotel that you're building down in washington, d.c. are illegal. they talked to 15 workers. they said a number of those 15 came here legally through asylum. they're now legal but that a number of them did say they're illegal. isn't it hypocritical for you saying illegal immigration is
killing this country to be employing illegal immigrants? >> well, i read the story. by the way, that story does not name any names. aid love them if they could give us the names. they said they spoke to one or two but they don't name them and don't know if it's true. >> what they say is several of the men hop hail from salvador, honduras, ecuador have earned u.s. citizenship or legal status through immigration programs targeting central americans flee agcivil wars or natural disasters. others acknowledge they remain in the country illegally. >> they have to give us the name. they have to give us the names and i have to say this. we believe so strongly, i hired a very big contractor, one of most prestigious, one of the best in the world to build the building. it's their responsibility to make sure. >> doesn't the buck stop with you though? >> yes, it does. absolutely. we have gone out of our way to make sure that everybody in that building is legal. and we do have some that were -- that became legal. wait a minute. we have some, many i think, that became, frankly, me, you,
everybody, i mean, ultimately we were all sort of in the group of immigrants, right? but we have done that to the absolute letter of the law. we're very, very careful on beyond -- excuse me. >> talk to 15 people and find some illegal immigrants -- >> they haven't shown us anything. i wish they would give us names. we would get them out immediately. >> you must have a guy on the job site. >> we have more than one. we check it probably more carefully than any job that was ever built. >> let me read what some of your fellow republicans says. bush says trump trump is doing this to inflame and incite and to draw attention. >> so look, bush is weak on immigration. forget about his stance on common core which is a total disaster. he's very weak on immigration. that's his prerogative if he wants to be. >> marco rubio, trump's comments are not just offensive and inaccurate but divicive.
>> marco rubio is extremely weak on immigration. he toughens his stance because his poll numbers went down. if he got elected you would have people flowing across the border. >> ted cruz? >> i have great respect for the fact that he had the courage to back me up and say what i'm saying is right. all i'm saying is we have to stop illegal immigration. >> how much has this cost you? >> a lot. >> can you put a dollar figure on the loss of -- >> it's a lot of money. fortunately i'm very rich. it doesn't matter to me. does it matter? no. what matters to me is taking american great again. >> you don't have a dollar figure? no, it's sort of funny. big headline, trump loses nascar. you know what they were doing? they were renting a ballroom for me for one night. it was a banquet hall and it was a deposit. now i have it rented to somebody else. there was another one. fortunately, it's not big for me. >> i think i know the answer to this one. >> would you accept a vice presidential position if it didn't work out as president? you're doing great right now. >> no, it's not that i wouldn't.
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the silent majority is back, and we're going to take the country back. >> that was donald trump in yesterday in arizona, addressing what he calls the silent majority. and he's left us with a lot to talk about. joining me now is cnn political commentator ana navarro, dan pfeiffer, our own brianna keilar and heritage action ceo mike needham. so much to discuss. let's just start with the whole idea of what donald trump is saying. ana, i should say to everybody you are a supporter of jeb bush.
let's put that out there. >> and not a supporter of donald trump. put that out there too. >> he's saying he is the only candidate who has the guts to articulate some of the things that may not be politically correct but a lot of people feel. what do you say to that? >> you cannot ignore the fact that he is gathering thousands of people and that he is speaking to a segment of the population. i don't think he's representative of the republican party. i'm very proud of all of the candidates who have come out and distanced themselves and condemned his comments. lindsey graham we saw do it again today. jeb bush, marco rubio, chris christie. rick perry put out an entire video on this telling him you know what, you do a lot of talk, talk, talk but i've walked the border. i've actually had to deal with this. so i just think that you cannot paint the republican party with such a wide brush. yes, there is a segment to who he's speaking to. there's no doubt about that. you can't argue with that. >> let's talk to somebody else in the republican party and that's you, mike.
you and your group oppose anything that has anything to do with what you call amnesty. >> uh-huh. >> what do you think of the way donald trump is talking? >> donald trump is a symptom of the problem in the republican party. it's a republican party establishment that is intellectually bankrupt and coming up with solutions for making life better for all americans. not just hispanics but all americans and a republican party establishment that makes certain promises to get elected and doesn't follow through on all of them. this is a party that claims it wants to cut spending, yet passed a travel a trillion dollar spending increase. it claims it's going to take on obamacare, where is it on that? it claims it's corporate crohn iism. >> let's stick to immigration for a second, if we can. anything my understanding that any of these candidates support from your point of view that allows illegal immigrants to stay here is amnesty. i know you -- and you're part of the republican party, your candidate and others disagrees with that. >> i think that one of the
really sad things about what's going on, donald trump is that he's exploiting this issue with the horrible tragedy that happened in san francisco. we're not getting to the policy. we should be having a serious policy discussion about immigration and about sanctuary cities. i'm fine with eliminating sanctuary cities. let's make it part of immigration reform so that, you know bleeding heart cities like san francisco are not taking the laws into their own hands. frankly, there is absolutely no excuse why there should be felons with multiple felonies and convictions roaming the streets despite the federal government asking for them to be turned over. >> dan pfeiffer, as a democrat, how much does this split, which we just illustrated right here within the republican party, help your party? >> he's trying to control his giddiness. >> i'm not even trying to control it. i think as a democrat donald trump should keep talking. we should put a camera on him 24/7. this is great for democrats. it does hit at a real issue here
which is i think on his right, donald trump is talking to an important segment of the republican party, this nativist element. something that sarah palin started in 2008 and the republicans have nursed this and used it to their benefit to the win congressional elections in 2010 and 2014 and it's coming home to roost. sort of like dr. frankenstein waking up and wondering where did that monster come from. this is something they created themselves. >> there's nothing nativist. before we look at people who are here illegally, people who have overstayed a visa which is fundamentally unfair to say you're going to stay in this country when the person who went home followed the law doesn't get the same opportunity, that we're going to fix the immigration system and look at stuff like sanctuary cities is, we're going to match supply and demand for labor. once you do that, you can have a conversation about people here before. it's the dishonesty about immediately jumping to amnesty. we're just going to provide amnesty that causes people to lose trust in the party and creates the vacuum that allows
somebody like donald trump to emerge. >> i don't know a single republican who is running for presidentive including lindsey graham, including jeb bush, marco rubio who are supporting immigration. they're supporting comprehensive immigration solutions. that's not demagogue, the word amnesty. amnesty is when you forgive everything. when they have to go through lengthy tests and multiple obstacles, that is not amnesty. amnesty was what ronald reagan passed in the 1980s. nothing proposed now is amnesty. let's not be demagogues. >> hillary clinton's campaign is salivating over the fact that she has a different position. whether you call it what jeb bush's position is amnesty, but she believes in a full path to citizenship. >> today. >> i think that she's doubling -- this is where it's going to be. i think it's pretty clear this is where her stance is going to be for the election and it works for her because her primary
point of view here, works in the general unlike republicans. you have her strategy is to make sure that as republicans are struggling to navigate with the right side of their party, she is going to hold them there and show that she's different. >> hold that thought. >> i've spoken with some republicans. they say the issue with donald trump is that he's like this human hand grenade on immigration, right? if you have to confront him, the risk of doing so is so tremendous. >> we have to take a quick break but before we do, how much trouble do you think it would be if donald trump is pushed so far that he says you know what? i'm going to go and run in another party. let's quickly give your candidate credit where credit is due. he said he was going to raise a lot of money, he did, $103 million for his super pac which dwarfs what mitt romney did four years ago for his super pac. if you're going to run against somebody who has, i don't know if you've heard him say, he's pretty rich.
>> no, he hasn't said it enough times. >> how much concern do you all have as republicans that he could do that and hand the keys to the white house? >> it's impossible to control what donald trump does or what he says or what he runs as. let's just remember until a few years ago, he was a democrat with hillary clinton sitting at the front pew of his wedding. >> the thread is not just that he starts a third party. it's that the people stay home and other conservatives start a third party because they feel there's no chance that the republican party will fight for real policy solutions that make life better for everyone. >> a lot more to talk about. when we come back, is the veepstakes already under way? the potential number two that has politicos buzzing.
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received a subpoena. you did get one in march. >> a war of words erupting over hillary clinton's exclusive interview here on cnn, and we're back with our panel. dan pfeiffer, i'll start with you, the democrat here. did hillary clinton step in it when she said she didn't receive a subpoena? >> i think she was technically correct but probably overly precise. if you spend the next few days explaining what you mean that's probably not idea, obviously. i think ultimately, she achiechd her objective here which is to survive and do so and end the immediate countdown for when will the interview start. she painted the entire republican party with a donald trump brush. all in all she did fine. over the course of time, in these interviews she's going to have to use them more as an opportunity to get her message out and less a task to be endured but that's an easy thing for an operative to say to a candidate. >> let's talk to the person who ended that sit-in waiting for that national interview.
congratulations to you, brianna. >> thanks. >> what was your read on how she handled the trust question in particular? >> i was surprised she didn't show more contrition. talking to the democrats including democrats who want to see her in the white house, they'll say she didn't handle the e-mail situation right. clinton foundation controversy, that's also a self-inflicted wound. i'm surprised she didn't give more on that. you said she's technically correct. i would say actually she's technically incorrect to say i've never had a subpoena. that's not correct. if you put it in context what the campaign will say is that i was asking her about facing a subpoena that she wiped her server. they'll say that's not true. but the other thing is the campaign hasn't been clear about when she wiped her server of her work e-mails. so there's no way to even really completely fact check what she's saying because they don't want to get into all of the details of those things. i did think on the e-mail answer, there were a number of things that didn't stand, that didn't pass the fact check where
she's basically arguing here i didn't delete the e-mails while under a subpoena. when your argument is i wiped my server but it was when i wasn't under a subpoena, i don't know that you're on some tremendous moral high ground. >> is there a uh-oh moment for republicans saying, that was good, we're in trouble? >> probably too much of one. hillary clinton is not trustworthy. politicians aren't trustworthy. you're not going to win in 2016 by just asserting is something that's built into most people's baseline that you can't trust hillary clinton. you have to show that you can make life better for people. if the republican party does that and couples it with hillary clinton's lack of trustworthiness, i think she's the ideal person to go up against. >> i guess what i meant uh-oh, republicans worried because she's strong on something. >> i didn't have an uh-oh moment. i had a moment that i thought i would never have. she actually makes me miss obama because she's so scripted, so canned, so boring. it was a snooze fest like
brianna was interviewing this person that just bobbing her head -- bobbed her head up and down every time she asked a question. i thought it was a very difficult interview to conduct. >> i wish she would come here and tell us what you really thought. >> really? >> stand by, guys. because coming up, we are going to look at something that could be incredibly embarrassing if you're a 20-year-old. your dad wearing jean shorts and singing in public. what could be more embarrassing than that? watching him doing it while running for president. secrets from the trail up next.
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some in wisconsin made up a matt and alex drinking game. >> every time he says matt and alex, you take a drink. >> i didn't know that. it's pretty funny. >> now it's the 21 and almost 20-year-old's to talk about their dad on the eve of his presidential announcement. >> we've seen his leadership. we've seen that he can get things done. >> what walker did as governor in 2011 shot him to national prominence. trying to cut state spending by curbing collective bargaining and breaking state unions. it made him a hero to the right and the devil to the left. passions ran so high through a failed attempt to recall walker, his then high school-aged sons say they faced death threats. >> we got a lot of those threats. we were able to keep calm and work through them. in the end, we got closer. >> but their mother also gave her husband tough love telling him he wasn't communicating well. >> she tried to ask our dad to explain to people more what the reforms did and what he was doing.
>> walker's wife is 12 years his senior. how they met at this bar says a lot about his personality. self assured and at times a bit awkward. >> he wrote on a napkin forgive me for being rude, but i've got to work early in the morning. if you'd like to go out sometime, give me a call and he put his number down and his name. and he slipped her the napkin on the way out. >> the walkers are close but even they disagree on some politics. matt and alex support same-sex marriage and complain to their mother when their dad called last month's supreme court decision legalizing it a grave mistake. she said to you all, when you complained, go talk to your father about it. did you? >> yeah, we talked to him. like any family, we had disagreements. he just explained his position and that was it. >> matt and i aren't necessarily changing his stances on any issues. >> do you try? >> no, we respect -- we respect his opinion on things. >> walker's intense political ambition began as a teenager.
he lost a bid to be student body president at marquette university and dropped out before graduating. >> he was getting an offer for a >> before he even left. so why would he not take it? >> what would he say if either of you said, you know what, dad, i'm done. i'm not going to finish college? >> he might be all right with it if we told him we had a good reason. our mom, on the other hand, would not allow that. >> walker was elected to the state assembly at age 25. he's been a career politician since but not always a political star. scott is one of those guys that does not fill up the room. he's not going to blow you away. he comes off as very intense, very, very thoughtful. >> charlie sykes is a wisconsin conservative radio host where conservative radio host where walker was a regular guest as he moved up. >> he is his own number one strategist and spokesman. his own media person. >> some would say that's micromanaging. >> everybody would say it's micromanaging. >> and he's even keeled. apparently no temper. rebecca kleefisch is walker's
lieutenant governor. >> have you ever seen that at all? >> nope. >> not even during those intense recall moments? >> i was floored by his calm. you know he's a man of deep faith. >> walker is a preacher's son, faith guides him spiritually and helps politically with christian conservative voters he needs, especially in iowa. >> we don't go into meetings and quote scripture. a lot of people assume we're evangelicals but you can see how he cares deeply. >> before kleefisch ran for office, she was a reporter who covered walker. >> when we're in a public meeting versus when the door is closed, same guy. i know that's weird. >> for his sons that typical guy also means dorky dad. >> a little embarrassing sometimes. he likes to sing karaoke, definitely, embarrassed matt and i. >> they're not the only ones. >> he has a tendency to sing. >> what does he sing? >> he sang "happy."
>> how did that go? >> politics is really good for him. >> but worse for his sons are his clothes. >> the big one is he wears jean shorts sometimes. that's a little rough. fashion choices need to be updated. >> dressing like a pirate when they were kids, not so bad. >> that's how he's always been and he's shown the example for us. >> a little fun there with the walker sons. dan, i want to start with you because for democrats, who would be tougher to beat, jeb bush or scott walker? >> scott walker. >> why? >> because the best case republicans can make is change or more of the same. if we're going to run for a repeat of the bush years, democrats would love to have that. >> what do you say to that? >> i think anybody that gets nominated is going to have a good shot. we've just seen through the last six months that hillary clinton is a formidable but vulnerable candidate. >> and conservatives i'm guessing you are --
>> we need somebody who can fight and win. he's somebody who has won and when you're wearing a bullet proof vest to work, you're fighting >> two words? >> i would say marco rubio. that's what i would say. >> brianna, mike, ana, dan, thank you so much for coming this morning. thanks for spending your sunday morning with us. jake tapper will be right here next week. "fareed zakaria gps" starts right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fra read zakaria coming to you live from new york. it's been a tumultuous week on the world stage and we'll tackle all of it. 23r eenna, tense negotiations over iran's fluke clear program. fr