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ind against the company. probably a former employee. >> reporter: spilling sex secrets isn't your useable hack job. >> you can change your credit card number. can't change your fetishes. >> sixexual proclivities. >> no, this is home wrecker. dolley madison 5, cnn, new york. >> come on people serves you right i guess. thank you for joining us. and "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. thank you for joining us. breaking news on a number of fronts. starting with new polling showing a big lead for republican contender donald trump and potentially big caveat. from abc news/"washington post," it shows mr. trump with an 11-point lead over scott walker a 12 point lead over jeb bush and the rest of the field in single dij tips.gits. a portion of it was taken after mr. trump took the verbal shot at senator john mccain's vietnam war record that portion could
say a lot. digging deeper on that and the trump details. she joins us now. >> a big number. a huge lead for donald trump at 24 points. but take note this was a poll that was conducted before and after trump made these comments about john mccain. and when you look at the final night of polling, after he made these remarks, you see a sharp dip in the polls. >> donald trump touching off a political firestorm this weekend by insulting former republican presidential nominee john mccain. >> i supported him. he lost. he let us down. but he lost. so i never liked him as much after that. because i don't like losers. but, frankly. let me get to it. he is a war he roefltro. he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured. he is a war hero because he was
captured. okay. you can have i believe, perhaps he is a war hero. but right now he said some very bad thangzings about a lot of people. >> almost immediately. trump's remarks grew scrutiny. >> mccain, a navy pilot during the vietnam war was shot down held prisoner and beaten for more than five years in hanoi even refusing early release. still, trump has not backed down. claiming in a "usa today" op-ed his comments were misconstrued by the media. trying on the today show to turn criticism of mccain toer use like the va scandal. >> i am not a fan of john mccain. he has done a terrible job for the vets. >> mccain himself took the high road this morning. >> does donald trump owe you an apology? >> i don't think so. but i think he may owe an apology to the families of those who have sacrificed in conflict and those who have undergone the
prison experience in serving their country. >> reporter: trump's republican opponents jumped at the chance to denounce his comments. jeb bush. >> this is a legitimate hero that has served his country in lots of ways. and mr. trump knows that. he should just aapproximately jazz.approximately -- just apologize. and move it on to the next thing. >> marco rubio. >> it is offensive. absurd and disqualifier as commander-in-chief. >> lindsey graham joined by mccain this afternoon. >> to anybody that suggests john and his fellow pows are lacking in the title of being called american hero, you shouldn't be our commander-in-chief. because you don't know our military. >> ted cruz who stands to benefit if trump gets out of the race would not take a position. >> i recognize that folks in the
press love to see republican on republican violence so. you want me to say something bad about donald trump, or bad about john mccain or bad about any one else. i'm not going to do it. >> interesting. donald trump is saying now that the other candidates have not been talking about veterans issues. he says just like he brought illegal immigration to the forehe is bringing veterans issues to the fore. that's not really the case though. chris christie jeb bush lindsey graham they all talked about veterans', use on the campaign trail. >> that's right. and rick perry one of two vets who is running along with lindsey graham you saw him surrounded by veterans during his announcement. a big issue. and, he personally provided service there. a lot of republicans would look at that and say that is just a deflection that they would actually look to talk about veterans', use because it is something that they would use to criticize the obama
administration and the va scandal that happened under that administration. and they would find ways to criticize how the president has dealt with it. at this point, i think they say, when you see what donald trump is talking about. he is not really talking veterans issues so much as defending his character. and they would make the case he should apologize so that issues instead could be discussed. >> appreciate the reporting. before bringing in the panel. so everyone is on the same page the we want to play what donald trump said in a fuller context so you can judge what to make of it. take a look. >> referring to people as rapists, referring to john mccain, a war hero t. 5 1/2 years, as p.o.w. you call him a dummy. is that appropriate in running for president? >> you have to let me speak, frank. because you interrupt all the time. okay. i know him too well. that's the problem. let's take john mccain.
i am in phoenix. we have a meeting that is going to have 500 people. at the biltmore hotel. we get a call from the hotel. turmoil. thousand and thousand of people are showing up. three, four days before, they're pitching tents on the hotel grass. the hotel says we can't handle this. going to destroy the hotel. we move it to the convention center wecht center. we have 15,000 people. biggest one. bigger than bernie sanders, 15,000 showed up. bigger than any body. everybody knows it. a beautiful day with incredible people that were wonderful, great americans. i will tell you. john mccain goes "oh, boy, trump makes my life difficult. he had 15,000 crazies show up." crazies. he called them all crazy. i said they weren't crazy. they were great americans. these people if you would have seen these people. i know what a crazy is. i know all about crazies. these weren't crazy. he insulted me. he insulted everybody in the
room the i said somebody should run against john mccain who has been you know in my opinion not so hot. and i supported him. i supported him for president. i raised $1 million for him. that's a lot of money. supported him. he lost. he let us down. but he lost. so i never liked him as much after that. because i don't like losers. but, frank, let me get to tip. he hit me. >> he's a war hero. 5 1/2 years. >> he is a war hero because he was captured the i like people that weren't captured. i hate to tell you. he is a war hero because he was captured. okay. and i believe, perhaps he is a war hero. but right now he said some very bad things about a lot of people. >> so with that on the table. that's the full context. we are undertonight by "the new york times" op-ed columnist, former reagan white house political director jeffrey lord with "american spectator" and joining by phone, former cbs news' sharyl attkisson, author
of "stone fall my fight for truth against obstruction, and harassment in obama's washington." jeffrey, not the first time donald trump has been unapologetic after making statements he made. in your mind was he taken out of context? do people misunderstand what he was saying? >> yes. >> how so? >> i absolutely think he was taken out of context. i think the biggest news from today on this subject was not the poll but rush limbaugh spending a considerable portion of his show addressing his very conservative audience about how this is a teachable moment in terms of how the media treats conservatives and that they somebody makes a misstatement or something that the media wants to emphasize, statement x, they zero in him. and go after them. until they put their tail between their legs and aapproximately jazzapl apologize and leave. donald trump is not doing this.
and this happens all the time. he thinks this is going to only help donald trump because he is -- >> i'm not going. >> do you believe this was a misstatement? do you believe this was an inappropriate comment? >> i think he said several times, he said several times that john mccain is a hero. i certainly believe john mccain is a hero. i find it utterly fascinating when john mccain was running for president, and all sorts of people in the media, and in the political scene, on the left came after john mccain the they called him a psycho. he was mentally i looked this up today. mentally unstable. he had no business being in the oval office. where were all these people indignant now about john mccain then. they were quiet as church mice. >> we should mention trump is saying this is not really about john mccain as a war hero rather protecting veterans' rights. >> right. >> do you believe that or do you believe he is trying to pivot off what is clearly a, something --
>> i do think. i think that a lot of american veterans believe that the whole v.a. situation is for lack of a better phrase is a domestic benghazi. a mess. >> of course it is. >> they can't get the truth about things. people are literally dying in some of these homes. the one in phoenix has had all kind of problems. >> we have done extensive reporting on it. >> right. right. so the point is senator mccain has been in the united states senate for a long time so have some of these other public officials been in office, why is this the case? why wasn't this taken care of? i do thing that center is out there. >> charles, what do you make of donald trump's comments about mccain and the way he sort of moved past it the last day or so? >> i think it is a joke. i think the whole thing is a joke. i think trump, the candidacy itself is a joke. i actually revel in the whole idea of watching this. >> you are saying it is a joke. he is the leading republican.
>> the question is whether or not this is a serious political candidate? right? so i can offer serious political commentary on serious candidates. but you can't do that for this person. because i don't believe that trump actually wants to be president. and i don't believe that he takes this this whole candidacy seriously. i think it is all brand building for him. there is no separation between trump the man and trump the brand. >> you don't believe if he actually thought he was going to get to the white house he would continue? >> i think every candidate has a smidgen of ego, of what if it actually worked out. i also belief a third of the people who run don't actually want to be president. but they want the free publicity, the increased exposure. >> they don't want to be president, they may not expect it. but they do want. it helps them on the speaking circuit. donald trump doesn't need help on the speaking circuit? >> i don't know. i think it absolutely helps with the segment of the population
who are more amenable to his products right? but maybe they're going to the golf course or staying at the hotel or buying the tie. >> i dent knowon't know. >> aspirational wealth component. >> i'm sorry i wasn't talking to you. >> a brashness component to it. a tell it like it is i need someone to speak for me. all of that build into the brand that is donald trump. >> sharyl you said some in the media have taken liberties with what trump said about john mccain. saying it was quote, at best questionable. what do you mean about that? >> i only examined the small slice, what you are talking about, "the washington post" article in lead sentence misquoted trump as saying john mccain was not a war hero because he was captured. when in fact if you heard, he said john mccain is a war hero because he was captured. you can argue as to whether the statements were appropriate or what he meant, the fact is trump did not use the word not
in that sentence. and i'm any just looking at it from a journalistic accuracy standpoint. >> he did initially say he is not a war hero. then he said he is a war hero because he was captured. and "the washington post" in that article. reference as a sarcastic, sarcastic manner you dentidn't take note of the sarcasm. >> absolutely he was sarcastic. i'm takinger to. lead paragraph, caption that said quite plainly something i wouldn't have been allowed to report or should i have been through our lawyers at cbs, or allowed to report in journalism college that donald trump said john mccain was not a war hero because he has been captured. he didn't say the. it doesn't mean what he said was any better. i'm not are gug thatguing that point. and the need to be precise when it is something we don't agree with or candidates we dent like. >> trump pointed to your article in a press release or tweet,
linked to your article praising your mention of that. do you believe in general. trump today has been on "today" show and other, said he believes many in the media are, either misquoting him or or basically coloring their coverage of him? >> well i haven't watched to know. but what i have seen today and you played was accurate and in context. and did the story absolute justice. but what happened when the frenzy was building. i read the main "washington post" article on itself and it didn't match what was in the first paragraph. notable from a journalism standpoint standpoint. that is a liberty i don't think we would have seen five ten years ago in an outlet. i wouldn't have been allowed to do that even in journalism college. >> jeffrey, with the mccain war hero comments aside. trump said he leakediked people who
weren't captured. in the press conference after, damage control, contentious press conference. he said he has respect for those who were captured and he likes those who weren't captured. did that make sense to you? if it wasn't if he doesn't -- if he truly doesn't think john mccain, or if he does believe john mccain is a war hero. does it make sense if he says he likes people who weren't captured? >> well you know we get into this parsing of word here. i mean the central the central core point to t is a game who has given millions of dollars literally to build the vietnam war mem roar yalorial, veterans parade help veterans. we are getting into this kind of thing. this is precisely the point that rush makes. we spend hours and hours and hours and weekend and weeks doing this. when the main issue, in this
case veterans' or illegal immigration or whatever. is totally off. >> isn't this what rush limbaugh does. plays sound bites on his show and discusses them in great detail. that's what -- that's what he does. so it is a little disingenuous to suddenly say we are picking on words here? >> well you know i listen to rush every day for three hours. so i think that you know the media representation of rush is not exactly what the actual rush show is. >> i agree on that. >> he gives a lot of context. >> i agree with you on that. not making a blanket statement about him. i think plenty of people on the radio take sound bites and play them. >> i guess my point, is that the, the base if you will the conservative case of the -- conservative movement of the republican party certainly feels the media does this to various conservative figures over years including rush limbaugh i might add. and that the end result desired
to to get the guy who ever it is off the stage. and here you have donald trump saying not only am i not going, i am going to double down. you are not going to get me out of here. >> arguably i agree with you that. you could say it happened to many democratic politicians. it happened to howard dean. look at him. played the scream over and over and over again. and obviously he took great issue. got to leave the discussion. sharyl jeffrey, charles thank you for joining us. coming up just ahead, i will talk to the mother of one of the fallen chatanooga marines about watching the child she remembers and the man he became. i really wanted to talk to her not only to express condolences but also to give you a sense and to allow her to give you a sense of what this young man's loss not only means to her, but to the country as well. and we hope to do this for many of the fallen in the coming days. >> later, breaking news about how david sweat and richard matt
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having devoted the top of the broadcast to what a political candidate said we want to focus on the war going on right now. right now american servicemen and women targeted and killed overseas and here at home in the united states. each one volunteered. it's hard to imagine that any spend what constitutes heroism. they're simply doing their job.
and they give their lives in iraq in afghanistan, in fort hood texas and last week in chatanooga. marine gunnery sergeant thomas sullivan staff sergeant david wyatt, knavenavy petty officer randall smith, and skip wells. we are learning more about the gunman who murdered them. that will come second after we tell you about a young man. we want to honor the lives of the five volunteers. that comes first. earlier today i spoke with kathy wells, lance corporate wells' mom. kathy thank you so much for being with us in your time of grief. again, i'm so sorry for your loss. you and i spoke a little earlier on the phone. if you would just tell us about skip. what kind of guy was he? >> he was a great kid. he was a good boy growing up. he was a great kid. he loved, loved the military.
always loved whatever branch he would see somebody in the grocery store and he would go up and shake their hand. and he loved being a marine. awe was a >> was that something he wanted to be? >> for as long as i can remember he wanted to be a marine. >> i heard you were watching television news coverage of the situation in chatanooga. were you immediately worried that skip might be involved? >> you know i have to say no. i was not worried. i just thought, no this is -- he is fine. he is going to text me when he is done. he texted me told me what was happening. and i figured he would be he would call me when it was over. it was secure. and because i know that they do have protocol. that they have to follow. i figured when he was done he would call. >> when when was it that a -- a team actually showed up to your house? >> probably about 5:00. i had a friend over that asked
that if they could come and sit with me. and i -- first i was like no i am fine. i am fine. i am just waiting. and he -- she said no can i come over now. and she sat in one chair and looked out the door and saw the car and told me not to get up. then she said she told when they came up to the door. i heard her say, you have got the wrong house. no you have got the wrong house. that's when i got up. and i was so thankful she was there. because she held me up. it's not something you want to see. >> there is a memorial set up for skip at his former high school in georgia. you visited that memorial -- i can't imagine what that was like? >> that was tough. that was tough. his rotc friends at the school
sit up. set it up. they came by the house when it was done. they loved him. i mean skip skip was friend with everybody. it didn't matter if you were if you were the lone sheep in the group, skip was going to be your friend. he was going to take you under his wing. he was going to pro tkt youtect you. make sure that everybody got out before him. that's that's always how he has been. >> you know when you and i spoke earlier on the phone. you've told me a story if you don't mind repeating it. you used to go to -- disneyland a lot. disney world. >> yeah. when he first turned 3, we i started taking him to disney world. >> 3 years old, wow? >> he was 3. >> that became a tradition. >> every year until he graduated high school we want to disney world. every summer. and this past year this past just last week he took me. >> he took you? >> he took me. and he picked the hotel. he bought the tickets. he did everything.
it was. matter of fact the first day he got there. he was honored as the service member of the day at magic kingdom. where he got to do the flag retreat. he was over the top thrilled. awe thought >> that was just last week? >> just last week. >> he was just he kept saying this is the best trip ever. this is the best one ever. all he kept saying. >> to have that memory is. >> he was such a good boy. he loved everybody. >> kathy, i wish there were some word i could say. i just want to say thank you for, for, being so strong and raising such a good son. and thank you for talking with us tonight. >> thank you so much. >> incredible loss for her and for the country for us all. as we said we learned more today about the man who took skip wells' life and the lives of four service member. as we watched a wounded
community struggle to heal. more on both now from gary tuchman. >> reporter: at the site of the first chatanooga shooting a growing memorial. hundreds of american flags planted in the lawn under the boiling sun. emotions plain to see. ♪ to be ♪ >> reporter: sorrow and prayer at interfaith services. >> we mourn, mourn terribly for these victims. we mourn for our community. we don't understand. we mourn for america. we mourn for those who hate. for those who are brainwashed. >> reporter: brainwashed a ref rinse to the gunman but by whom. authorities continue to say this is being investigated as an act of domestic terrorism. until the evidence proves otherwise. the fbi does say there is nothing as of yet connecting the attacker to isis or other
international terrorism groups. a family spokesman who asked us not to use his name tells us the family says their son suffered from severe depression for a long time. had suicidal thoughts. and a serious substance abuse problem. alcohol, marijuana, opiates and other recreational drugs. the parents say their son moved into this house with the family when he was in grade school. he still came back here many weekends. but rented a room 140 miles away for a factory job he had near nashville. his parents say he lost a previous job at a nuclear power plant in ohio because he failed a drug test. in his younger years, abdulazeez participated in high school video production, monotheism listed as one of the producers, seen and heard talking about the koran. >> there are five major pillars of islam. they're the confession of faith, prayer alms giving fasting and pilgrimage to mecca. >> reporter: he graduated from
college but couldn't hold jobs because of his personal problems. his parents say they knew their son owned guns and wanted him to give them up. but he refused saying he was an adult. they also wanted him to seek substance abuse treatment. he refused that request also. the family did come out with an official statement over the weekend. in part declaring -- it grieves us beyond belief to know that his pain found its expression in this heinous act of violence. >> reporter: authorities in the u.s. and overseas are investigating the gunman's past travels to the middle east. the woman who lives next door to the family and has known abdulazeez since he was a child remembers one the trips. >> the whole family went to kuwait and jordan maybe three years ago for three, four weeks. >> reporter: how do you know that? >> because they told us when they were leaving. >> reporter: the gunman's parents say the son did go to jordan again last year. they say they sent him there for what they hoped would be a
positive reason to stay with jordanian family and get away from his life of depression and drug use in tennessee. >> gary tuchman joins us now. do the gunman's parents acknowledge the possibility their son committed the murders in the name of islamic extremism. they say it's depression. depression doesn't lead most people to kill other people. >> right, andersen. according to the family representative the parents did say in their son's weaker moments he did get into "evil ideology and extremist idea." but they also said they're convince heedd he never talked to any extremists or outside ears but becoming a domestic terrorist. >> gary appreciate it. a lot to learn. just ahead, the escape and massive manhunt of two inmates in upstate new york. tonight we have new, frankly fascinating information about how the two convicted murderers, kimmers, managed to escape. how long it took to plan and tunnel out. and the pitfalls along the way.
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planning that went into the prison escape in upstate new york was far more elaborate, unfolding over months under the eyes of prison guards who were asleep on the job. and we're not speaking figuratively they wear sleep. david sweat is spilling all kind of details to investigators how he and richard matt managed to bust out of the correctional facility. matt was killed on the run after he and sweat parted ways. mr. sweat is being held in solitary confinement at a different maximum security prison. randi kaye joins me with the latest. we knew they had done practice runs and escape route the night before they escaped. now you are learning more about his adventures in the prison tunnels. seems like they were extensive. >> absolutely anderson. really fascinating stuff. "the new york times" is reporting david sweat wandered around the tunnels beneath the prison night after night for months on end actually beginning this past winter. the paper says sweat told investigators that he would leave his cell every night on
the hunt for this escape route, confident the guard wouldn't miss him because as you said they were sleeping. he disappeared between the hours of 11. 30. p.m. return by 5:30 in the morning. the "times" report says at one time sweat was cutting through the concrete wall and he rigged a fan underground to cool himself using electricity from the tunnel's lights. >> also new information when david sweat got serious about escaping? >> yeah according to the times he long planned to escape. as we know. he got serious moved next to richard matt's cell in the honor block of the prison the a cell block for prisoners with good disciplinary record. sweat told investigators that's when he used a hacksaw blade at night to cut a hole in his cell then a hole in richard matt's krechlt when cell. when an inmate told matt he heard something from his cell. he said he was stretching canvas on a frame for within of his
paintings. he would make paintings in prison. >> what's this about sweat and matt joking about their escape? >> hard to imagine the two violent killers sharing a joke. but "the new york times" says that sweat told investigators that both he and matt compared their escape to tim robbins character, andy duframe in "the shawshank redemption" joking it took andy 20 years, but took them 10 years. sound like they gave themselves credit. richard matt now dead shot by a federal agent. and david sweat back behind bars hoping it is forever. >> more information about the officer that shot david sweat? >> matt and sweat split up. five days before sweat was captured. now learning from "the new york times," citing people briefed on the investigation that state police sergeant who shot david sweat was actually a trained firearms instructor. so this guy was a really good shot. he report lead dropped to one knee and fired striking sweat twice as we know in the torso.
from more than 50 yards away. firing at a target 50 yards away with a pistol is a dif resultficult shot. .45 caliber pistol to hit sweat after he refused to stop rung. the sergeant had a very keen eye roigz recognizing him and taking him down. >> just ahead a new bombshell for bill cosby. the entire deposition he gave in 2005 related to the civil lawsuit, it has now been released. now all of it previously a memorandum that it was. and what it contains is disturbing. disturbing admissions about relationships he had with multiple women and now he viewed them and what he did. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic
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more disturbing allegations, should say admissions from bill cosby have come out in the open thanks to 2005 court deposition. at the time cosby was answering questions related to a civil lawsuit filed by two dozen women who said they drugged and sexually assaulted them. the full deposition released contains a number of very troubling statements. cosby admits to relationships with five women. talks about giving women drugs. and looking for nonverbal signals that women welcomed his sexual advances. >> reporter: bill cosby describes extensive relationships with women outside his marriage. i thought i heard her moan. i'm not sure if i was happy feeling she had an orgasm. i took my hand out. i don't remember if there was buttoning, zipping whatever. we stood up. the explosive testimony from a
202 020 2005 during a civil suit brought by andrea constand. cosby claims it was consensual. i don't hear her say anything. i don't feel her say anything. so i continue. i go into the area that is some where between permission and rejection. i am not stopped. reaction from those women who say they were his victims outrage. >> it makes me sick. and it send a very wrong message about what consent really means. consent is not the absence of a no. >> reporter: cosby says he had sexual fun with women and steered away from in thetercourse. the act of the penile entrance is something a woman will succumb to as a romance or feeling. deeper than playful situation. as for drugging cosby admits he
had seven prescriptions for quaalude during the 70s for a bad back. his intent was to give them to will hen socialized with. quaaludes, the drug kids. young people were using to party with. there were times when i wanted to have them just in case. although he denies any criminal sexual behavior he says this when asked about constand. she believed she was not in the position to conisn't to intercourse after you gave her the drug. do you believe that is correct? cosby says i don't know. we are also learning detail of cosby's method asking one of his accusers about her father who died of cancer. in order to get closer with her. did you ask those questions because you wanted to have sexual contact with her? yes. through it all, cosby's wife has stood by his side. and the deposition may explain why. as cosby admits to sending secret moneys to some of his accusers to keep decade of infidelity hidden. the roone youeason you were doing? who were you preventing from
knowing that? mrs. cosby. jeanne casarez joins us. has cosby made any comments since the full deposition was made public? >> not at all. public relations manager said no comment. he really can't comment. he is part of a confidential settlement agreement on the suit foreclosing him from everyone talking about it. it didn't go to trial. ironically before court now, there is a motion to lift the veil from that confidentiality agreement. because it is the contention of andrea constand's attorney that cosby and his attorneys since last fall and all the women have come out have made so many comments about the other women the veil should be lifted in the case. >> jeanne appreciate the reporting. thank you joining me. cnn legal analyst, sunny hostin criminal defense attorney mark geragos. sunny, reading this as a former prosecutor prosecuted sex crimes is this familiar
territory? >> it really was. remarkable. a very long deposition. 1,000 pages. i spent most of the day reading it. what was fascinating to me it reminded me of the days when i cross-examined defendants and they said "she wanted it. she consented to it. quigs i have pictures in my folder a woman brutalized with two black eyes. the thing he is saying are the things i heard from sexual predators and sociopaths. it was really shocking to me frankly. >> i'm not sure everyone realizes this he was talking about quaaludes to give to women. it wasn't that he was partying with the women taking quaaludes himself as well. this was, a drug to give to a woman and he fully rational fully conscious would then have sex with her. >> that's right. he made it very clear. he did not take them. it made him feel woozie and queasy. and drowsy. and, so i think what is really remarkable is that he says in
the deposition anderson he is sort of good at at determining a woman's nonverbal responses. but indeed these women were drugged. you cannot consent. >> there was a reason they were nonverbal. >> exactly. >> mark this deposition it paints a very negative public image for cosby. you also believe it is really bad for him lee gaechltgally? in what way? >> i think you have an open lapd los angeles police department investigation. there is the issue of the statute of limitations on some of the other cases. but the one they're investigating is arguably within the statute of limitations. they can use this stuff. even though this is sealed they now have access to it. it would not surprise me to see the lapd get a search warrant to actually seize this deposition so they can use it in their investigation as what's called other, other crimes or motive type evidence. and to try to bring that in to
show that this is a common scheme or plan. this is you know an enormous amount of headache trouble and legal jeopardy for mr. cosby at this point. >> it is interesting. his representation is not commenting. but they did in the past. now the there are lawsuits because of the comments they made. it seem like they're now in a position where they really can't say anything because their comments in the past are being used against them in in the suits. >> exactly right. that's one of the problems. you and i talked about months ago. how the defamation suits were creative wedges to get them out there to say stuff and things. of that nature. i said at the time he really couldn't say anything shouldn't say anything. this is one of the reasons. i still don't understand. i'll look night. sunny can give explanation. why if he was paying money to settle this case in philadelphia with this woman, why he didn't have that deposition destroyed or ordered
permanently sealed. because apparently it was temporarily sealed. because this offers i mean a tremendous amount of jeopardy. >> is that something you can do? >> that is something you can do. and i can't imagine what he is sag to the attorneys -- saying to the attorneys that were representing him. he slipped up. who ever slipped up. that is something you certainly want. you want the case sealed. and the dep sequestrationosition to never gobombshell. a game changer. even if none of these women get to confront him in a criminal courtroom or trial. my experience with most victims they want to be believed vindication. my goodness people believe them now. everyone believes them now. and they have that at least in the court of public opinion. that's what victims want. >> sunny, appreciate you being with us. mark as well. thank you very much. ahead, incredibly close call with a great white shark. captured on live television. maybe you have seen the video. worth watching again if you
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