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lemon. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, thank you for joining us. we've got breaking news tonight on a number of fronts. starting with new polling showing a big lead for republican contender donald trump, and a potentially big caveat. from abc news and the washington post. it shows mr. trump with an 11 point lead over wisconsin governor scott walker. a 12 point lead over jeb bush and the rest of the field in single digit. what makes this poll potentially significant is that a portion of it was taken after mr. trump took that verbal shot at senator john mccain's vietnam war record. briana keeler is digging deeper. she joins us now. >> hi anderson. overall, this is a big number a huge lead for donald trump, at 24 points. but take note. this was a poll that was conducted before and after trump made these comments about john mccain. and when you look at the final
night of polling, after he made those remarks, you see a sharp dip in the polls. donald trump touching off political firestorm this weekend by insulting former republican presidential nominee john mccain. >> i supported him. he lost. he let us down. but you know he lost. i never liked him as much after that because i don't like losers. but -- >>'s war hero. >> he hit me -- he is not a war hero. >> he is a war hero. >> he is a war hero. he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured. >> he is a war hero. >> he is a war hero because he was captured. i believe perhaps he is a war hero. but right now he said some very bad things about a lot of people. >> reporter: almost immediately trump's remarks drew skrut. >> he >> i like the people that don't get captured. >> reporter: mic condition was
shot down held prisoner and beaten for more than five years in hanoi, refusing release. still, trump claimed in a u.s.a. todayon ed his comments were miss construed by the issues turning to mccain's issues like the v.a. scandal. >> i am not a fan of john mccain. >> reporter: donald trump of john mccain took the high road this morning. >> does donald trump owe you an apology? >> no i don't think so. but i think he might owe an apology to the families and those who have sacrificed in conflict, and those who have undergone the prison experience in serving their country. snoou. >> reporter: but trump's republicans opponents jumped at the chance to denounce his comments. jeb bush. >> this is a legitimate hero that has served his country in lots of ways. and mr. trump knows that. he should just apologize. i think that will probably move
it onto the next thing. next week there will be another one of these things. >> reporter: marco rubio. >> it's not just absurd. it's offensive. and i think ridiculous and i do think it disqualifies him to be able to be commander in chief. >> reporter: this afternoon. >> to anyone who suggests that john. >> his fellow p.o.w.s are somehow lacking in the title of being called an american hero you shouldn't be our commander in chief because you don't know our military. >> reporter: ted cruz who stands to benefit if trump were to get out of the race would take take a position. >> i recognize that folks in the press love to see republican on republican violence. you want me to say something bad about donald trump or bad about john mccain or bad about anyone else. i'm not going to do it. >> it's interesting, donald trump is saying now that the other candidates have not been talking about veterans' issues. he says just like he brought illegal immigration to the fore
that he is bringing veteran's issues to the fore. that's not really the case though. i mean if -- chris christiety jeb bush lindsey graham, they are all talked about veteran's issues on the campaign trail. >> that's right. and rick perry, one of two vets who is running along with lindsey graham you saw him surrounded by veterans during his announcement. he made it a big issue. lindsey graham recently retired from the jag corps. i think a lot of people who look at that and say that is just a deflection that we would like to talk about veteran's issues because it's something they would use to criticize the obama administration and the v.a. scandal that happened under that administration. and they would find ways to criticize how the president has dealt with it. at this point, i think they say when you see what donald trump is talking about, he is not really talking about veteran's issues so much as really keen of defendsing his character. and he would make the case that he should apologize so that
issues instead could be discussed. >> beiana keiler appreciate the reporting. before bringing in panel, we want to play for you what donald trump said in a fuller context so you can judge for yourself what to make of it of take a look. >> i'm referring to people as rapists, referring to people -- >> excuse me -- >> to john mccain, a war hero five and a half years as a p.o.w. and you call him a dummy. is that appropriate in running for president? >> let's -- you have got let me speak, though, frank, because you interrupt all the time okay. i know him too well. that's the problem. let's take john mccain. i'm in phoenix. we have a meeting that is going to have 500 people. at the built more hotel. we get a call from the hotel. it's turmoil. thousands and thousands of people are showing up three or four days before they are pitching tents on the hotel grass. the hotel says we can't handle it. going to destroy the hotel. we move it to the son vengs
center. we have 15,000 people, the biggest one ever bigger than bernie sanders, 15,000 people showed up to hear me speak. bigger than everybody. and everybody knows it. a beautiful day with incredible people that were wonderful, great americans. i will tell you. john mccain goes oh, boy, trump makes my life difficult. he had 15,000 crazies show up. crazies. he called them all crazy. i said they weren't crazy. they were great americans. these people -- i know what crazy is. i know all about crazies, these weren't crazies. so he insulted me and he insulted everybody in that room. and i said somebody should run against john mccain who has been you know in my opinion not so hot -- and i supported him. i supported him for president. i raised a million dollars for him. that's a lot of money. i supported him. he lost. he let us down. you know, he lost, i never liked him as much after that because i
don't like losers. >> he is a war hero. >> he is not war hero. >> five and a half years, he is a war hero. >> he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. >> do you agree he is a war hero. >> he was a war hero because he was captured. you can believe, perhaps he is a war hero but right now he said some very bad things about a lot of people. >> with that on the table, that's the full context we are joined by charles blow also jeffrey lord and joining us by phone is cheryled a kinson. in addition she is the author of stonewalled my fight for truth against the forces of obstruction, intimidation and harass men in obama's washington. this is not first time donald trump has been unapologetic after making statements. in your mind was he taken out of
context? did people misunderstand what he was saying? >> yes. >> how so? >> i absolutely think he was taken out of context. i think the biggest news on this subject was not that poll but rush limbaugh spending a considerable portion of his show addressing his very conservative audience about how this is a teachable moment in terms of how the media treats conservatives. and that they -- somebody makes a misstatement or something that the media wants to emphasize, statement x. they zero in on him and go after them until they sort of put their tail between their legs and leave. donald is not doing that is rush's point. this kind of thing happens all the time. he thinks this is only going to help donald trump because he is standing up and saying i'm not going. >> do you believe this was a misstatement? i mean did you believe this was an inappropriate comment? >> i think he -- he said several times that john mccain is hero. i certainly believe john mccain
is a hero. you know i fiend it utterly fascinating that when john mccain was running for president and all sorts of people in the media and in the political scene on the left came after john mccain. they called him a psycho. efforts mentally -- i've looked this up today. mentally unstable. he had no business being in the oval office. where were all these people were are so indignant now then? they were quiet as church mice. >> trump is saying this is not about john mccain as a war hero but rather protecting veteran's rights. >> right. >> do you believe that or do you think he is trying to pivot of -- >> i believe. in all candor i think a lot of american veterans believe that the whole v.a. situation is for lack of a better phrase is a domestic benghazi. it's a mess. >> of course it is yeah. >> they can't get truth about things and people are literally dying in some of these hospitals. in one in phoenix has had all
kinds of problems. >> we've done extensive reporting on it. >> right. right. so the point is senator mccain has been in the united states senate for long time and so have some of the other public officials, been in office why is this the case? why wasn't this taken care of? i do think that sentiment is out there. >> charles, what do you make of donald trump's comments about mccain and the way he sort of moved past it the last day or so? >> i think it is a joke. i think the whole thing is a joke. i think you know trump, the candidacy itself is a joke. i actually revel in the whole idea of watching this. >> you are saying it is a joke. he is leading in the polls. >> but the question is whether or not this is a serious political candidate, right? so i can offer serious political commentary on serious candidates. but you can't do that for this person because i don't believe that trump actually wants to be president. and i don't believe that he takes this whole candidacy seriously. i believe it is all brand
building for him, there is no separation between trump the man and trump the bran. and i think that -- >> you don't believe if he actually thought he would get to the white house he would continue? >> i think that every candidate has a smidgeon of ego, a smidgeon of what if it actually orkd out? i actually believe that probably a third of the people who run don't actually want to be president. but they want the free publicity, the increased exposure of being a candidate. >> i don't know that they don't want to be president. they may not expect it but they do want -- but donald trump doesn't need help on the speaking circuit. >> i don't know. i think it absolutely helps with the segments of the population who are probably more amenable to his products right? but the -- maybe going to the golf course or staying at the hotel or buying the tie. there is an aspirational wealth component to it. >> i don't think so. >> i'm sorry. i wasn't talking to you. there is a brashness component to it. there is a tell it like it is because i need someone to speak
for me. all of that builds into the brand that is donald trump. >> cheryl, you said that some in the media have taken liberties with what trump said about john mccain saying it was quote at best questionable. what do you mean by that? >> really i only examined a small slice of what you are talking about. and that was a washington post article. and the lead sentence which misquoted truch as saying that john mccain was not a war hero because he was captured when in fact as you heard he said john mccain is a war hero because he was captured. and you can argue as to whether the statements were appropriate or what he many. the fact is trump did not use the word "not" in that sentence. i am a just looking at it from the journalistic accuracy view point. >> he did use it initially saying he is not a war hero. and then he said he is a war hero because he was captured. the wall street journal
referenced it in a sarcastic manner. you didn't take notice of the sarcasm. >> absolutely it's sarcastic. should i have been allowed to report in journalism college that donald trump said john mccain was not at war hero because he had been cap toured. he didn't say it. it doesn't mean that what he said was any better. i'm not arguing that point. i'm arguing our responsibility to be precise even when it's opinions we don't agree with or candidates we don't like. >> cheryl it's interesting because trump actually pointed to your article in a press release or in a tweet i think it was. but he linked to your article praising your mention of that. do you believe in general -- because trump today has been you know on the "today" show and other -- he said he believes many in the media are either misquoting him or basically coloring this coverage of him. >> i haven't watched enough to know. but what i've seen today and
what you just played was perfectly accurate and in context. and i think did the story absolute justice. but what happened when the frenzy was building i didn't watch. i read that main washington post article and listened to the sound and was astounded when the audio didn't match the first sentence in that article. from a journalism standpoint that's a liberty that i don't think we would have been able to see ten years ago. >> trump said he liked people who weren't captured later on in a press conference right after, which some call damage control. it was a contention press conference. he said he has respect for those who were captured and likes those who weren't captured. did that make sense to you? if it wasn't a -- if he doesn't -- i mean if he truly
doesn't think john mccain or -- if he truly does believe john mccain is a war hero does it make sense when he says that he likes people that weren't captured? >> you know we get into this parsing of words here. i mean the central -- to me at least the central core point here is this is a guy who was given millions of dollars literally to build, you know the vietnam war memorial in new york city to promote a veteran's parade to help veterans. and you know we are getting into this kind of thing. this is precisely the point that rush makes. we spend hours and hours and hours and hours and whole weekends and weeks doing this when the main issue, in this case veterans or illegal immigration or whatever -- >> but in all fairness isn't this what rush limbaugh does? he plays sound bytes on his show and discusses them in great detail. i mean that's what he does. so it is a little disingenuous to suddenly say we are picking
on words here. >> well you know, i listened to rush every day for three hours. i think that the media representation of rush is not exactly what the actual rush show -- >> i agree with you on that. >> is. he gives a lot of context. >> i agree with you on that. i'm not headaching a blanket statement about him. but i do think plenty of people on the radio take sound bytes and play them and focus on them. >> i guess my point, anderson is is that the base if you will, the contervetive base the conservative movement the republican party certainly feels that the media does this to various republican figures over the years. including rush limbaugh. >> i understand. >> and the end result is to get the desired guy off the stage. here you have donald trump saying not only am i not going, i'm going to double down and you are not going to get out of here. >> arguably you can also say it happened to many democratic politicians. howard dean we played that scream over and over and over again. whether, you know -- and
obviously, he took great issue with. that we've got to leave the discussion there. cheryl atkinson good to have you on gentlemen, as well. coming up i'm going to talk to the mother of one of the fallen shot confusinga marines about watching the child she remembers and man he became. i wanted to talk to her to express condolences and also to allow her to give you a sense of what this young man's loss means not only to her but to the country as well. we hope to do this for many of the fallen in the come days. later in breaking news how david sweat and richard matt broke out of prison. the breaking details more remarkable than what we already knew. that's that new gear feeling. now get a swiss gear backpack for only $10. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. ♪ if you can't stand the heat,
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and randle smith. we are learning more about the gunman who murdered them. however, we want to honor the lives of those five volunteers. that comes first. earlier i spoke with lance corporal wells's mom, kathywells. kathy thank you for being with us in your time of grief. again i'm so sorry for your loss. you and i spoke earlier on the phone. if you would, tell us about skip. what kinds of guy was he? >> he was a great kid. he was a good boy. growing up he was a great kid. he loved -- loved the military. always loved whatever branch he would see somebody in the grocery store and he'd go up and he'd shake their hand. and he loved being a marine. >> was that something he wanted to be for a long time? >> for as long as i can remember. he wanted to be a marine. >> and i mean, i heard you you
were actually watching television news coverage of the situation in chattanooga. were you immediately worried that skip might be involved? >> you know i have to say, no i was not worried. i -- i just thought, no this is -- he's fine. 's going to text me when he's done. he had texted me and told me what was happening. and i figured he'd be -- he'd call me and when it was over and it was secure. because i know that they have protocol that they have to follow. and i figured when he was done he would call. >> and when was it that a team actually showed up to your house? >> probably about 5:00. i had a friend over that asked if they could come and sit with me. and i -- at first i was like no i'm fine. i'm fine. i'm just waiting. and he -- she said no can i come over now? and she sat in one chair and looked out the door and saw the
car and told me not to get up. and then she said she told -- when they came up to the door i heard her say you've got to wrong house. no you've got the wrong house. and that's when i got up. and i was just so thankful that she was there, because she held me up. i -- i -- -- that's not something you want to see. >> i know there is a memorial set up for skip at his former high school in georgia. and you visited that memorial. what -- i mean i can't imagine what that was like. >> that was -- that was tough. that was tough. his rotc friends at the school set it up. and they came by the house when they were done. and they loved him. i mean skip -- skip was friends with everybody. it didn't matter if you were -- if you were the lone sheep in the group, skip was going to be your friend. he was take to take you under his wing, and he was going to protect you.
he was going to make sure that everybody got out before him. that's -- that's always how he has been. >> you know when you and i spoke earlier today on the phone, you told me a story. if you don't mind repeating it. you used to go to disneyland a lot -- disney world? >> yeah. when he first turned 3, i started taking him to disney world. >> 3 years old, wow. >> he was 3. >> and that became a tradition? >> every year until he graduated high school we went to disney world. every summer. and this past year -- this past -- just last week he took me. >> he took you? >> he took he moo. and he picked the hotel. he bought the ticket. he did everything. and it was -- as a matter of fact the first day that we got there, he was honored as the service member of the day at magic kingdom, where he got to do the flag retreat. he was over the top thrilled. >> and that was just last week? >> it was just last week.
and he was just -- he kept saying -- he says this is the best trip ever. this is the best one ever. it's all he kept saying. >> well, to have that -- to have that memory -- >> yeah. he was such a good boy. he loved everybody. >> kathy, i mean i wish there were some words i could say. but i just want to say thank you for -- for being so strong and raising such a good son, and thank you for talking with us tonight. >> thank you so much. >> an incredible loss for her. and for the country. for us all. as we said we learned more today about the men who took skip wells's life and the lives of four other service members. even as we watched a wounded community struggle to heal, we learn more from gary tuchman. >> reporter: at the site of the first chattanooga shooting a growing memorial hundreds of american flags plantsed in the lawn under the boiling sun, emotions plain to see.
♪ >> reporter: sorrow and prayer at interfaith services. >> we mourn. we mourn terribly for these victims. we mourn for our community. we don't understand. we mourn for america. we mourn for those who hate. for those who are brainwashed. >> reporter: brainwashed. a reference to the gunman. but by whom whom? authorities continue to say this is being investigated as an act of domestic terrorism until the evidence proves otherwise. the fbi does say there is nothing as of yet connecting the attacker to isis or other international terrorism groups. a family spokesman who asked us not to use his name tells us the family says their son suffered from severe depression for a long time had suicidal thoughts and a serious substance abuse problem, alcohol, marijuana, opiates, and other recreational drugs. the parents say their son moved
into this house with the family when he was in grade school. he skill came back here many ekts weekend but rented a room 140 miles away for a factory job he had near nashville. his parents satisfy he lost a job at a nuclear power plant in ohio because he failed a drug test. in his younger years he participated in a high school production. he was listed as one of the producers and is seen and heard talking about the crayon. >> there are five major pillars of islam. they are the confession of faith, prayer, alms giving fasting and the pilgrimage to mecca. >> reporter: he graduated from college but couldn't hold jobs because of his personal problems. his parents say they knew his son owned guns and wanted him to give them up but he refused saying he was an adult. they also wanted him to receive
substance abuse treatment. he are evidence that. part of their statement it grieves us beyond believe to know that his pain found its expression in this heinous act of violence. authorities in the u.s. and overseas are investigateding the gunman's past travels to the middle east. the woman who lives next door to the family and has known muhammad yussuf abdulazeez since he was a child remembers one of those trips. >> the whole family went to kuwait and jordan maybe three weeks ago. >> reporter: how do you know that? >> because they told us when they were living. >> reporter: the gunman's parents said their son did go to jordan again last year. but they sent him there to get away from his depression and drug use in tennessee. gary tuchman joins us now. did the gunman's parents acknowledge the possibility their son committed these murders in the name of islamic extremism. they say it's impression but
impression doesn't lead most people to kill other people. >> right, anderson. according to the family representative, the parents did say that in their son's weaker moments, he did get into quote, evil identifiology and extremist ideas. but they also said they are convinced he never talked to any extremists never talked to any outsiders about becoming adom stick terrorist. >> obviously still a lot to learn. just ahead, remember the escape and the massive hand hunt of two inmates in upstate new york? tonight new and frankly fascinating information about exactly how these two convicted murderers, these killers managed to escape, how long it took to plan and tunnel out, and the pitfalls along the way. all new information that came out today.
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breaking news tonight. the new york times is reporting that the planning that went into last month's prison escape in upstate new york was fore far more elaborate than anyone imagined unfolding over months right under the eyes of prison guards who were asleep on the job. and we are not speaking figuratively. they actually were asleep. according to the times, convicted murderer david sweat is releasing details to investigators about how he and richard matt managed to bust out of the correctional facility. matt was killed on the run after he and sweat parted ways. mr. sweat is being held in solitary confinement at a different maximum security prison. randy indicate joins me now. we knew they had done practice runs on the escape route. but now you are learning more about the adventures in the prison tunnels. it seems they were extensive.
>> reporter: fascinating stuff. the new york times is reporting david sweat wander around the tunnels night after night beginning this winter. he would leave his cell every night on the hunt for the skpap route confident the guards wouldn't miss him because as you said they were sleeping. he would disappear between the hours of 11:30 p.m. and be back by 5:00 in the morning. he somehow rigged a fan underground to cool himself reportedly using electricity anderson from the tunnel's lights. >> and there is also new information about when david sweat actually got serious about escaping. >> reporter: he long planned to escape as we know. but he got really serious about it when he was moved light next to richard matt's cell in the honor block, the cell block designed for prisoners with a good disciplinary record. sweat told investigators that's when he used a hacksaw blade at
night to cut a hole in his cell and another hole in richard matt's cell. one of the fellow inmates said he heard a saw blade, but he explained it away saying he was stretching canvas for a painting. the new york times says that sweat told investigators both he and matt compared their escape to tim robin's character andy due train in the shaw sheik shank redemption joking it had taken andy due train 20 years to escape but it only took them ten years. richard matt now dead killed by a federal agent. and richard sweat behind bars hopefully for good this time. >> new information about the officer who shot david sweat. >> reporter: david sweat and richard matt split up five days before sweat was captured.
now, we are learning that the state police sergeant who shot david sweat was a trained firearms investigate instructor. this guy was a good shot. he reportedly dropped to one knee striking him twice in the abdomen abdomen. the sergeant was using a .45 caliber to hit sweat after sweat refused to stop running. the officer had a keen eye recognizing him and taking him down. just ahead, a bombshell for bill cosby. the entire deposition he gave in 2005 related to the civil lawsuit, it has now been released. now awful it -- previously just a memorandum about it was. what it contains is disturbing. disturbing admissions about relationships he had with multiple women and how he viewed them and what he did.
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the x1 voice remote, only from xfinity. more durk admissions from bill cosby have come out in the open open thanks to a 2005 deposition related to a civil lawsuit filed by more than two dozen women who said he drugged and sexually assaulted them. the full deposition contains a number of troubling statements. cosby admits to relationships with at least five women, talks about giving womens drugs and also talks about looking for nonverbal signals or clues that women welcomed his sexual advances. >> reporter: bill cosby describes in graphic detail extensive sexual relationships
with women outside of his marriage. i took my hand out, i don't remember if there was buttoning or zipping or whatever. we stood up. the explosive testimony from a 2005 zpigs deposition of a civil suit brought by andrea constand who claims she was drugged and sexually assaulted. cosby claims it was consensual. i don't hear here say anything and i don't feel her say anything. and so i continue and i go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. i am not stopped. reaction from those women who say they were his victims, outrage. >> it makes me sick. and it sends a very wrong message about what consent really means. consent is not the absence of a no. >> reporter: cosby says he had sexual fun with women and steered away from intercourse to prevent women from falling in love with him. the act of the pea nile entrance is something i feel the woman
will suck couple to more afro mance and more of a feeling not love but it's different than a playful situation. as for drugging women, cosby admits he had seven prescriptions for quaaludes in the '70s for a bad back, his intent was to give them to women to associate with. quaaludes were for kids in parties. i wanted to have them just in case. although he denies criminal sexual behavior he says this when asked about constand. she believes she was not in a position to consend to intercoarse after you gave her the drug. do you believe that is correct? cosby says i don't know. did you ask those questions because you wanted to have sexual contact with her? yes. through it all, cosby's wife has stood by his side. and the deposition may explain why. as cosby admits to sending
secret monies to some of his accusers to keep decades of infidelity hidden. >> the reason you were doing, who were you preventing from knowing that? >> mrs. cosby. >> has cosby made any comments since this full deposition was made public? >> no not at all. his public relations managers said no comment but he really can't comment because he is part of a confidential settlement agreement on this suit closing him from ever talking about it. ironically before a court now there is a motion to lift the veil from that confidentiality agreement because it is the contention of andrea constand's attorney that cosby and his attorney since last fall when all these women came out have made so many comments about the other women that the veil should be lifted in the constand case. >> joining me now is cnn legal analyst sonny has tin.
criminal defense attorney mark geragos. sonny, you are reading this deposition as a former prosecutor who prosecuted sex crimes. is this familiar territory? >> it was. it was remarkable. it is a very long deposition 1,000 pages. i spent most of the day reading it. what was fascinating to me is it reminded me of those days when i cross-examined defendants and they said she wanted it she consented to it. and i had in my folder pictures of a woman who had been brutalized with two black eyes. so the sort of thing that he was saying the things that i heard from sexual predators and sociopaths. and it was really shocking to me frankly. >> it's interesting and i'm not sure everybody realizes when he was talking about getting quaaludes to give to women, it wasn't that he was partying with these women taking them himself as well. >> that's right. >> this was a drug to give to a woman, and he fully rational fully conscious, would then have sex with her. >> that's right. he made it very clear he did not
take them because it made him feel woozy and queasy and drowsy. so i think what is really remarkable is that he says in the deposition anderson that he is sort of good at determining a woman's nonverbal responses. >> right. >> but, indeed these women were drugged. you cannot consent when you are doctoringed. >> there is a reason they were nonverbal. >> right. >> mark this deposition it paints a negative public image for cosby. you believe it's bad for him legally. in what way? >> i think that you know you have got an open l.a.p.d. los angeles police department investigation. there is a statute of limits on some of the other cases but the one they are investigating is arguably within the statute of limitations. they can use this stuff. even though this is sealed they now have access to it. it would not surprise me to see the l.a.p.d. go get a search warrant to actually seize this
deposition so that they can use it in their investigation as what's called other crimes or motive-type evidence. and to try to bring that in to show that this is a common scheme or plan. this is you know an enormous amount of headache trouble, and legal jeopardy for mr. cosby at this point. >> it's interesting, mark because his representation is not commenting but they did in the past. and now there are lawsuits because of the comments they made. it seems like they are now in a position where they really can't say anything because their comments in the past are now being used against them in the suits. >> exactly right. >> defamation. >> that was one of the problems you and i talked about months ago how these defamation suits were creative wedges to get them out there to stay stuff and things of that nature. and i said at the time he really couldn't say anything shouldn't say anything. this is one of the reasons. i still don't understand -- i'll look into it.
maybe sonny can give explanation as to why if he was paying money to settle this case in philadelphia with this woman -- why he didn't have that deposition destroyed or ordered permanently sealed. because apparently it was only temporarily sealed. >> right. >> because this offer -- i mean a tremendous amount of jeopardy. >> is that something you can do sonny? >> it certainly is something you can do. i can't imagine what he is saying to the attorneys that were representing him. because he slipped up. whoever slipped up. because that is something you certainly want. you want the case sealed but you want that deposition to never go anywhere. i mean it is a bombshell. in my view anderson it is a game changer. each if none of these women get to confront him in a criminal courtroom, in a criminal trial, my experience with most victims is that they want to be believed. they want vindication. and my goodness people believe them now. everyone believes them now. and they have that at least in the court of public opinion. and that's what victims want. >> sonny, appreciate you being
with us. mark geragos as well. thanks very much. just ahead, an incredibly close call with a great white shark captured on live television. one of the world's top surfers got away. punches were involved. punching the shark. just incredible. got away barely with his life. imagine what this could have turned into. we'll be right back with more. benny's the oldest dog in the shelter. he needed help all day so i adopted him. when my back pain flared up, we both felt it. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just two pills, all day. now i'm back!
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broadcast of a surf contest. many of the viewerers saw the shark before he did. a horrible moment for everyone including fanning as mom who was watching in stlalia. to our knowledge, nothing like it has been ever captured on live television. >> reporter: the terrifying moment of a great white shark attack unfolding on live tv. in nightmarish slow motion mic fanning one of surfing's great stalked by an awesome predator in the eastern cape. >> he came for me. >> reporter: and he is still deeply shaken. >> all of a sudden i sort of sensed something behind me. and then all of a sudden i just jumped on my board. and you know i just was like oh something is going on. and then i felt myself getting dragged under by my leash. and then next thing i know i saw his fin. and then the next thing, it came back around and went again at my
board. and -- yeah and then it was, all right, it's either me or the shark. >> reporter: on the other side of the world, pride turned into horror as mick's mom watched the attack live from australia. i of. >> i just couldn't believe what i was seeing really. i saw this sort of fin, big fin. and then mick sort of scrambling. and sort of turning around. and then he went down. and i realized then it must be a shark attack. and i just -- well i was absolutely terrified. i thought we'd lost him. >> reporter: but instead of swimming away, mick turned to face the sedan-sized shark and swung a few punches. >> if i'm going to go down i'm ready to go down with a fight. like you sit there and you say all these different things when you are on the beach, and you joke around with friends. but, i don't know. it's just instinct. it's one of those thing. it's like fight or flight pretty much. >> reporter: mick fanning says
it was ultimately up to the shark whether he lived or died. for pro surfers surfing is like a religion. but he says that this attack has put his life into focus. >> woke up this morning, and i spoke to my family and friends. and i cried a little bit. and i don't know. you never know. you just think whatever gods are out there, or whatever -- you say thanks, thanks for looking out for me. >> reporter: the attack has rattled the pro surfing community. but this story could have ended so much worse. and mick says he just wants to get home to australia to give his momma hug and decompress. but mick says he'll be riding the waves again soon. david mckenzie, cnn, jeffries bay, south africa. >> incredible. he deserves a break. our live coverage continues into the next hour with more breaking news. the fallout from donald trump's comment about senator john mccain. and why new poll numbers that show his biggest lead yet could
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