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fired. >> reporter: fires off these two words. >> excuse me. >> way more often. >> when an adult is talking. >> excuse me. >> yes? >> it works. it works. i said excuse me. you stopped talking. >> reporter: jeanne moos. >> excuse me. >> reporter: new york. >> that's good manners until it isn't. excuse me. thank you for joining us everybody. and "ac 360" starts now. good evening. thank you for joining us. donald trump on the border and more of my conversation with him. mr. trump as you know has made illegal immigration the centerpiece of his campaign to. day he was in laredo texas trying to do just that. drawing fire almost from the start how he has been calling attention to the problem and drawn praise as well. he also has drawn calls for specifics on allegations he is making including this one earlier this month. >> we bring them back and they push them out. mexico pushes back people across the border that are criminals, that are drug dealers.
>> he said he was talking about the mexican government himself. the country of mexico is pushing people in. i asked him about it again yesterday. >> you keep saying mexico is sending these people across. >> mexico is sending. you said it properly. you said it properly. thank you. >> but you have offered no proof. that's what people say. well reporters in laredo tried to pin him down on that as well as specific plans for solving the problem. he also made claims about the trip itself saying the local border patrol union withdrew its in vi invitation after pressure from washington itself. to night we'll hear from a top official in the union. my conversation with mr. trump, isis northern iraq his plan for isis bomb the hell out of the oil field take the oil. when present with criticism by a former top general. trump said he would be a better general than him. more on that tonight. the veiled suggestion mr. trump made about an in end enddependent
run if he does not win the republican nomination. dana bash from laredo texas. obviously quite a scene when donald trump arrived. how much of it was actually substantive and how much was it a photo-op? >> honestly it's hard to answer that question. like anywhere donald trump goes there was definitely a lot of theater. some that he encourages. some that just happens like what happens when any celebrity shows up some place. but when you have somebody like donald trump arrive on his very large plane with his name emblazoned across the side it will draw attention especially to people in a town like where i am right now, laredo texas where they're not used to somebody look him coming. have to say we saw people at a gas station, they thought the was a rumor and jek heoke he was coming. they couldn't believe it. you certainly had a lot of this sort of spectacle, and some,
some of the substance. listen to some examples of what happened today. the border patrol they're petrified of saying what is happening because they have a real problem here. i am talking about on the whole border. they invited me. then awful all of a sudden told sichlt lsichlt -- sichlt. sichlt-sichlt -- silencio. we'll sore that out. >> we'll be showing you that evidence. >> i am going to steal him to run something for me. >> -- mr. trump, the way to make the border safe is to build this long wall? >> well that's -- that's a federal issue. we have our comments on that. we don't, we don't think that's necessary at this time. >> in certain sections you have to have a wall. >> his claim about the mexican government sending people over. it was interesting that he said he saw evidence thaufof that today.
he won't share it. he will at some point. you and i both interviewed him recently. when pressed on specifics he is not always happy about that. >> no he is not. that was clear in several of the exchanges he had here today. a lot of the press that was here was -- spanish speaking press. they were pretty open about being combattive with him. there was, there is no question about that. but you know the other issue in his defense is as you heard at the beginning of that sound bite there, he did come down here at the invitation of the local border patrol union who pulled out basically when he was in the air coming down here. i was talking to local police officers here. they had to basically pick up the slack and figure out, scramble to figure out how to deal with his visit. and they said look you know we kind of made good with what we could do here. because these are obviously largely hispanic voters here hispanic officials, they said we feel like he is somebody who
we should come here and talk to and it is important to do that. but there also was some combative back and forth. listen to this. >> no no no. talking about illegal immigration. everybody understands it. and you know that it is a typical case wait that is a typical case of the press with misinterpretation. they take a half a sentence by the way, they take a half a sentence then take a quarter of a sentence. they put it altogether. it's a typical thing. and you are with telemundo. telemundo should be ashamed of themselves. you are finished. >> as i mentioned he had combative exchanges with the spanish speaking press. that issue did come up several times. and the comments that he made now infamous comments in his announcement speech talking about rapists and criminals.
that that was part of the exchange pretty much in all three of his press conferences here. anderson. >> thank you. appreciate the reporting. more now on what dana touched on. trump's allegations that forces in washington pressured the border patrol into disinviting him. after he made the claims we spoke with sean moran vice president of the national border patrol council. sean can you explain what happened here. donald trump is claiming that the local laredo border patrol council which invited him was asked to back out of the meeting because they were totally silenced directly from superiors in washington who do not want people to know how bad it is on the border. is that what happened? >> no. i would say that's not an accurate statement at all. we had concerns from our membership about comments that were made about senator mccain and veterans and many of our members who are border patrol agents are former veterans of the armed services.
we responded to those. plus this is -- an organization that need to work with both side of the aisle. and right now we don't want to align ourselves with one candidate prior to them being made the candidate of their party. this would go for either side. >> i want to ask you about allegations that donald trump has been making that mexico is sending criminals to the united states undesirable people having them sending them across the borders, illegal immigrants. have you seen has your organization seen any evidence to show that is in fact happening? because i asked trump for evidence about this yesterday. he says well maybe, tomorrow today we'll have it. he has the yet to show anything. is there any evidence that you have come across or your border agents have come across that would indicate this is a plot a plan by the mexican government? >> i can't speak to any orchestrated plan to have people come into the united states. but i can say that mexico could
do a better job of policing its northern border. and re-establishing the rules of law on the border. our agents are constantly assaulted by people who either get back into mexico or are in the process of trying to enter the united states illegally. we have an average of one major assault every day against border patrol agents. we believe that wouldn't happen if mexico were to reassert itself on its northern border. >> shawn moran. appreciate you booing witheing with us. let's dig deeper on the reception donald trump got. more on that from gary tuchman. >> reporter: when donald trump walked through the airport in laredo texas. there were supporters. but there were also many detractors. the city after all is about 95% hispanic. many came to the airport chanting in spanish, the people united can never be defeated.
>> somebody asked me what did you tell mr. trump. if he was here standing in front of me. i told him, look i have a lot of chosen word for the man. but i cannot say them on camera. but one thing i would tell him, get the hell out of here. >> reporter: the republican presidential candidate hung around visiting the nearby mexican border. just a few weeks after offending many with his broad statement about undocumented immigrants being rapists and criminals. >> we will not tolerate offensive remarks that trump has made. >> reporter: the texas director of league of united latin american citizens. >> he need to apologize. >> reporter: many protesters wanted to demonstrate at the border where trump was paying his visit. this is where you show your documents to u.s. authorities when you cross into texas. signs say open. it's not open. take a look at the road. shut done to traffic because of donald trump's visit. that security move stopped any
demonstrators from showing up. and further angered some of them. meanwhile, although they're in the minority there are mexican americans here who support donald trump. >> if you tell me who are -- >> the woman in the white who got into quite a few arguments with others is rosa polasioss. >> i look what he is doing. i hope he gets his intentions. i am praying for all of his intentions. what he is talking about. what he is going to be doing. i hope they go through. >> you look donald trump? >> yes, sir. >> you are mexican-american? >> yes. >> when he talks about undocumented immigrants being rapists, criminals? does that insult you? >> not at all. he is talking about the truth. >> reporter: in other parts of laredo at the restaurant very well known in town it's hard to find similar sentiments. >> he generalized. that's why people are upset. >> he is trying to get support he came to the wrong place.
>> gary joins us now. what sort of reception did he receive as he moved around the city itself? >> well, anderson. laredo texas is a friendly city sleepy place. when donald trump the new york city tycoon rolled in it created a spectacle. he took a motorcade to the border. there were people yelling. giving him the thumbs down. there were lots of people who were very excited to see a celebrity come by in a car, in his car. they were clapping yelling. matter of fact in this very parking lot where he was before he left for the day, there were about 7 to 10 young people, maybe teenagers, early 20s. yelling, screaming his car was moving by. donald. donald. we watch the apprentice all the time. trump opened his window. he said i love you. acting just like the celebrity he is. >> gary tuchman. thank you. reminder set your dvr. watch 360 whenever you want. coming up next.
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talking tonight about donald trump and his belief that his brand of leadership what the country need. outen front in republican polls. and way outen front an abc/"washington post" poll. i talked to donald trump about it. he made some pretty strong claims during our conversation at trump tower yesterday. let me ask you about you talk about isis. last time we talked you. said you had a plan to deal with them. you would be tougher. bomb the hell out of the oil field. take their money supply. get the oil. send in troops to ring the oil. i spoke to folks who have experience general hurtling commanded forces in northern iraq for two years here, is not a political guy. he said that just doesn't make any sense. >> i say it does.
okay. >> let me ask you specifics. >> i say it does. i say you take the money away. they're so rich. they're killing us on the internet. they're building a hotel in iraq. they're building a hotel. >> they don't actually have full control over any oil fields in iraq. they have some some control of the -- >> they're take the oil. they're take sowing much of the oil. you're not trying to say they're not. >> they are in syria. >> i'm not just talking about in iraq. ichl's talking about in syria too. >> you would bomb in syria. >> i would bomb the hell of them. >> if you are taking -- >> it seems to me that the only one that really fights are the kurds. >> they control the oil fields. >> well isis is controlling. isis is getting the money. >> kurds control. >> isis is very rich. okay. they're rich for two reasons. lot of money coming out of saudi arabia and other places. a lot of oil. >> you are destroying the infrastructure the future infrastructure. >> i know about infrastructure
more than any person in the history of this country that has ever run. nobody knows more about infrastructure. i can tell you the exxon mobiles of the world who are terrific and some of the great oil companies, anderson they will go in and they will rebuild that so fast your head will spin. and now it is an old infrastructure. they'll put in a new. and we'll circle it. and take the oil. we should have taken the oil. excuse me. we should have taken the oil. if you remember. don't go into iraq. you are going to ruin the balance. >> you are going to go into a sovereign nation and take their oil. >> what's the sovereign nation? do you think iraq is a sovereign nation? >> yeah. >> i don't think so. i think iraq is a corrupt place. it's got a name iraq. but it's really split up into thiefdoms. >> a lot of iraqis that view themselves as iraqis. >> frankly, people are starting to give of on that. if the bullet is fired in the air. they run and give over our equipment. iraqi send seashellessentially exist. they meet with iran.
if you get the reuters article that i wrote, that i was interviewed for, from july of '04, everything i said turned out to be exactly correct. i said that iran is going to take over iraq with the oil. and i said there will be remnants of oil that other peoples will take over. and you know who that is that's isis. >> two quick things again, the general saying they brought in exxon in 2007, 2008, exxon was there, look, we don't want to get involved. >> because they don't want to be involved politically. now they'll get involved. >> you say send in troops. ring the oil field. general hurtling. 30,000 americans, 60,000 iraqis guarding them. >> then i am a better general than the general you are talking about. >> i want to bring in lieutenant general hurtling. >> ser tocommanded first armored
division in iraq and u.s. army in europe in 2013 currently cnn military analyst. so this idea of bombing the hell out of the oil fields in iraq and that there is no iraq and what do you make of that? >> it's delusional anderson. it is interesting the other day when i commented i tried to be as apolitical as possible and said that we judge leaders in the military through character, presence and intellect. i suggested that mr. trump did not have a firm grasp of what was going on in iraq and other part of the world. i continue to believe that. he may be a very good businessman. but the art of sole jergdiering is a profession. not sure he understands the science and art of soldiering. and he doesn't certainly understand the complexity of what is going on in iraq and the rest of the middle east. >> the complexity of iraq.
i have been there a couple times. and you certainly have been there a very long time. is extraordinary to say though that there are no iraqis there is no iraq. that's just not true. >> it certainly is not true. and i heard his comments about the kurds. that they're the only ones fighting. i think there are several groups within iraq that are fighting desperately for their country. and fighting desperately for nationalism. so again it is just a lack of understanding of what is going on in that country. and what concerns me is mr. trump steams to be applying this to various places around the world making very simplistic analogies with almost comic book approaches to some of the more significant problems our u.s. president will eventually have to face when we elect the next one. >> when you bomb the hell out of oil fields. understandable rational desire to want to take the source of fund for a terror group. but when you bomb the hell to use his quote out of oil fields
you are destroying future infrastructure used by iraq and also i mean doesn't that unite everybody in iraq against the united nations? >> absolutely. and i think that's what chairman dempsey, general dempsey has offered as his argument to the national security team that in fact no matter what way america goes in this we potentially come out losers so. we have to be very careful in terms of how we are seeing in this particular country. the thing that i would suggest too, arbitrary bombing as mr. trump suggests actually leans a little toward war crimes. and i don't care how great of lawyers he has got in the trump organization for his business ventures they're not going to get him out of the hague court for some of the things he is suggesting we should do. in some cases it's just flat out murder where you arbitrarily bombing a country which he is suggesting. >> general hertling. thank you for being on. thank you. >> thank you. >> the possibility, donald trump
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run next year as a republican. that said today he again left the door open to a third party candidacy if it comes to that the chances would increase if the national committee is unfair during the primary season i also asked him the first time we sat down earlier this month. >> you would allow the idea of running as independent third party candidate if for some reason you don't get the gop nomination? >> everybody asks me to do it. i had so many people say would you run as an independent, would you run as a third party candidate. they see the kind of votes. i would get a lot of votes. the best way of defeating the democrats and probably hillary, think it will be hillary, is to run as a republican. if i do the third party thing i think it would be bad for the republicans. i think it would be very bad in terms of beating the democrats. >> a lot to talk about, director of western hemisphere affairs, and s.e. cupp and jeffrey lord.
jeffrey you heard what donald trump now told me earlier this month, now engaging with the idea a little more more publicly what do you think the strategy is behind that? >> i think it is out of the art of the war, the sheathed sword. i think what he is basically saying is be fair to me or you know i'll think about this. and you know to be perfectly candid i keep listening every day to these kinds of things. i don't understand if all of these people are opposed to donald trump, why they give him the things that give him oxygen and fuel as they go along. certainly before i came over i heard senator rubio musing abut having candidates sign a pledge or something that they wouldn't run a third party candidacy. i mean this kind of thing is just extremely provocative and i think, you know not a smart idea. >> s.e. do you agree with jeffrey that entertaining a third party bid or talking about
it is a not so subtle way of telling the rnc to layoff? >> yeah donald trump's m.o. is to say i've got the money, i've got the manpower i've got the stamina, and i've got the mechanism to run as long as i want. don't try to marginalize me before i am ready to get out. if i decide to do that. that said, i think he is pretty realistic, you know ross perot was the most successful candidate to run as a third party since theodore roosevelt in the '20s. he ended up with 1.9% of the popular vote and no electoral college votes. he had a chaotic campaign. remember. he got in. got out. got back in. it was kind of a circus like we are seeing now. and obviously didn't end up great for republicans either. so i think trump is right that if he actually wants to win running as a republican is best for him and best for the party. i don't know in the long term if this is great for the gop. but, you know everyone is sort of dealing with that that possibility now.
>> dan, i mentioned you worked for president obama also in florida politics a crucial state. is trump third party candidacy is that hillary clinton's dream scenario. we have the abc "washington post" numbers that show she would have a huge victory under the scenario. >> wouldn't be good for the republican party. he knows it. this is political hostage taking. trying to send a message to the republicans to treat him well. and it you only have to be a marginal player in the general election to make a difference. speaking of florida in 2000. the 96,000 votes ralph nader won in the state. ask al gore about those whether there were 537 likely gore voters in there if nader hadn't been on the ballot. trump wouldn't have to move the needle much to make a real difference in an outcome. and third party candidates don't get elected president of the united states. raises the question if he were to go that route if he was serious about, further raises the question if he is seriously running for president of the united states or up to something else now. >> jeffrey, the rnc, what do you
think trump wants them to do? is this reaction to their comment about john mccain in the whack of his comments about john mccain as a war hero? do you think that's what offended him? >> it's possible. i don't know. but that's that's certainly possible. you know, little earlier in the process there were reports that donors were thinking of trying to get the rnc to keep him out of the debate. and, you know, forgive me, anderson. the old eddie murphy movie, beverly hills cop, out of order with the snooty gets in an argument in the buffet table in the club. the police chief says is this the man that ruined the buffet at the harold club. you get the sensation the republican party is looking at done ald from donald trump, is looking at him as eddie murphy's axel foley. >> an interesting analogy
jeffrey makes. there is an argument to be made perhaps he is helping the republican party. there is more interest in the gop race right now than there may have bivenlteen. it is early on. it its leading newscasts every single night. yes he is taking a lot of the oxygen from some of the other, the other candidates. gop candidates. that debate is going to be more closely watched. the viewership is probably going to be very high because of trump. >> yeah, i don't know. i am cringing. you are right. it's certainly a spectacle. people like watching him. people clearly like talking about him. and i certainly think you are right they're going to tune in to the debates to see how he performs. but, you know this is, this is not good for the republican party. frankly a distraction away from the contoretions that hillary clinton is trying to perform on the left off to win progressives. not really talking about that. we're not really talking about serious policies. you know in your interviews with donald trump you have tried
very very hard to get him to answer substantive questions. >> not very successfully. >> not very successfully. almost an impossible task. and so we're not talking about substantive issues. the gop candidates are now having to respond to trump and explain trump instead of talking about actual immigration reform. actual economic reform. tax reform. so it is not best for the party. not good for the country either. >> dan, it's interesting. we had another guest on a couple nights ago who said that in some ways another argument that maybe trump is kind of helping the race at this stage of the race is that he is getting the other gop candidates to perhaps come off talking points in a way that they wouldn't have otherwise. would lindsey graham have put out that commercial you know a funny commercial with him destroying a cell phone, i mean wouldn't have had to obviously, but a commercial that showed
personality and a side of him that probably nobody has ever seen before if it was not for donald trump? >> he might have. again here anderson interest exposure for the republican party isn't translating into benefit. the pew has a poll out today showing highest level of unfavorability in 20 years polling on the republican brand and lowest level of favorability on the republican brand in the 20 years they've ben running the poll. this exposure and interest isn't working for them. republicans haven't moved off talking points on keyer use that will come become to haunt them in november of next year particularly on immigration. they denounced donald trump within moments of his comments about john mccain. some of them still haven't denounced his comments about mexico and immigrants. and that's going to be a real problem for the republican party into november next year given the demographic shift. >> this is the problem, the republicans are meant to look responsible for donald trump. they haven't come out to distance themselves. >> hillary clinton is trying to push that message. we have heard her do that. we have got to leave there.
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today texas officials said preliminary autopsy results confirm that sandra bland's death was suicide by hanging. released the image of a plastic garbage bag she allegedly used. ms. bland found dead in her jail cell three days after being arrested during a traffic stop. according to county prosecutor the medical examiner found a bruise on the 2-year-old woman's neck, consistn't with suicide and no signs of a violent struggle. she also had approximately 30 partly healed cut marks on her left wrist and marijuana in her system. also new tonight an inmate in the cell next to bland told cnn ms. bland was emotional and often crying during her three days in jail. but she didn't hear any commotion or screaming that would suggest foul play. a lot to talk about with the district attorney elton mathis.
he joins us again tonight. mr. mathis the investigation into what happened in the traffic stop with ms. bland what is the latest on that have there been any new developments you can share with us? >> i wanted to ensure the public that the texas rangers are conducting that investigation as well into any possible criminal activity that may have transpired there on the side of the road in prairie view and also my office i have already assigned two potential prosecutors to that issue. if in fact at the end of the investigation when everything is reviewed all of the statements all of the reports, the videos come in that we will take an active and proactive approach at looking at that issue as well. and in addition to the investigation that's going on as to what happened to ms. bland inside the jail cell. >> just to be clear when you talk about they're looking to criminal activity. you are talking about criminal activity on the side of the
trooper? >> exactly. exactly. and that's not to say at this point that we believe that there was any criminal activity on the part of the trooper, but that is something the texas rangers and myself and the fbi, it's important that we take an active and proactive look at that activity. >> there was marijuana found in ms. bland's system is that in any way relevant at all to what happened during the traffic stop or any time there after in your opinion? >> well in this case -- trying to put together the big picture what was going on in ms. bland's life. whether or not she was smoking marijuana. whether the marijuana came from inside the jail. whether she was smoking marijuana prior to her being stopped. to me, mareijuana is to some extent a mind altering
substance. we want to have every piece of information we can. yeah i do think it is relevant to know. >> two other officers mentioned in the press conference having arrived on the scene during ms. bland's arrest do. you know have investigators spoken to them about the details of the arrest. have you spoken to them? >> i have not personally spoken to them. and that's the one thing that you know i keep reminding all of the media when we are talking to them is you have to realize that this is not television. it is television but this isn't television. things take real time. the one example i will give you is right now, you know some portions of the jailleased to the public. there is much more jail video that is relevant. i want to have the video and see the video from the moment that we can see her getting booked entering into her jail cell and until the time that her body is found and she is removed. that's approximately 2 1/2, three day's worth of video that some investigator is having to
watch and analyze in real time. so that we can say, everything has been properly looked at. so you know that's just an example of some of the evidence sharing and time constraints that we are having to deal with. >>leton mathis appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, sir. thank you for the opportunity. >> want to dig deeper with cnn legal analyst, former prosecutor sunny hostin and former detective harry houk. do you expect criminal charges for this police officer, two separate tracks violation of police procedure seems like they're moving forward with. but then there is actual idea of criminal activity by the officer? >> sure it is certainly possible. when you look at the dash-cam video it is very clear it was a bad arrest a false arrest. that is a crime. so i think certainly the investigation is going to be ongoing. but what i have seen on the dash-cam individually i think
opens him up to cremmal exposure to. be clear the family has indicate they'd haven't ruled out a lawsuit. you are talking about her, her constitutional rights i think and civil liberties being trampled upon. i think he has civil exposure too. >> harry, do you think that's possible? >> well i think that the, i don't see any criminal charges here as far as taking her out of the vehicle. pennsylvania 1977 supreme court ruling ruling a police officer can order some one out of the vehicle. >> you see violation of protocol. >> they're saying he wasn't courteous which is what the department of public safety demands. things like that. >> i don't see anything criminal here. i do have the one issue with the arrest. when he told her. when she was inside the vehicle. whether, whether she was under arrest. he said yes. i was wondering what for at the moment. she wasn't placed under arrest. the affidavit says for assault. >> there have been no assault at that point. >> at that point. that will be an issue. >> that's a false arrest. in my view. in my view. >> you know.
he is asking her to get out of the vehicle. and ordering her to get out of the vehicle. supreme court says he can do it. >> go ahead. >> i'm not going to argue about what the law says and the supreme court found. i think when you really look at the case very closely and the facts of this case it would really have had to have been for his safety. after he walks away for five minutes harry and then goes back and was going to give her a warning it is very clear. >> the supreme court doesn't say anything about safety. all he has the to do is have a complete stop and have somebody detained. all it says. >> in this particular case. the actions were clearly unlawful. >> according to the preliminary autopsy, she was under the influence of marijuana when she died. she had been in jail for three days. does that make sense? >> unless she got marijuana in the jail. >> in my experience as a prosecutor. >> she wasn't visited. >> it takes 24 for marijuana to leave your system. three days later for any amount in her system other than a trace
amount. is odd to me. did she ingest marijuana a large quantity at the traffic stop. was she given marijuana in the jail. i think those are open questions. but i also think we have to stop focusing on the victim. i think we need to focus on all the problems that this this process have been uncovered. we are talking about a false arrest. and talking about a jail cell that she was kempt in in isolation, not on suicide watch, there are just her civil, there are civil violations throughout. >> you believe there is no doubt they're open to civil case? >> there is no question. >> i agree 100%. >> she was not on suicide watch. >> sure. >> got to leave it there. sunny hostin harry houk. not the only case of a simple traffic stop getting out of control and quickly. up next a look at other cases where getting pulled over for what should have been a traffic ticket at the most, escalated badly. >> get out of the car! [ gunfire ]
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the sandra bland case raised a lot of questions, not the least of which, how getting pulled over for alleged failure to use a turn signal could have escalated the way it did. we have seen the dash cam. we have done digging and found other instances of what should have been a simple traffic stop turned into something else entirely. randi kaye reports. >> reporter: virginia beach an 18-year-old is pulled over for a broken tail light. police tell her passenger in the back seat to get out of the car. >> you are going to keep your hand visible at all time. step out of the vehicle. >> reporter: 17-year-old brandon winn refuses. >> get off me man. >> reporter: watch what happens next. the officer tries to pull brandon out. then pepper sprays him.
and tases him after multiple warnings. >> taser, taser. >> ow! >> officers charge brandon with assault on a police officer. obstruction of justice. and marijuana possession. he is still behind bars after six months. >> it was a reasonable order to get out of the vehicle. if he is moving around shuffling in the back. they have no idea what he might be doing. brandon winn's attorney told us the family was horrified at the excessive violence. what most people may not know is if an officer lawfully pulls you over for traffic violation. police can order you out of your car. the supreme court ruled in a case pennsylvania vs. mims officers can order a driver to exit the car when there are safety concerns. no arguments no refusals. you must do what the officer says. florida, this woman is pulled over for a traffic violation. but refuses to put her window all the way down.
>> why do you need the window all the way down? >> for my safety. i am going to be putting it. >> reporter: victoria king doesn't give in. instead she starts record with her cell phone which is her legal right. >> ma'am if you do not roll down the window all the way. i am recording it also on this camera. i need you to roll down the window all the way. open the window. if you don't open the window i am going to break the window. ma'am. >> if you have the time you are going to say, listen the reason i don't want to put my arms in there is because you could drive off real quick and get me injured. so he could have probably tried to explain tight her a little more. >> reporter: instead, this. >> oh my god, are you serious. >> get out. get out of the car right now. >> reporter: a jury found victoria king guilty of battery and resisting an officer. in columbia south carolina a more intense encounter when a highway patrol officer pulls
over a man. >> yes, sir. get -- [ gunfire ] >> get on the ground. get on the ground. >> reporter: the man turns back inside his car to get his license. the officer his gun. the officer was fired and charged with aggravated assault and battery. he pleaded not guilty. the victim 35-year-old lavar jones survived. and was awarded $285,000 from the state of south carolina. randi kaye cnn, new york. >> tough to watch. coming up. something to make you smile at end of the day, the ridiculist is next.
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retired fire fighter, bob was summoned by a neighbor with an unusual problem. >> there was a big bear in the backyard. >> reporter: when he rounded the corner he knew he was going to leave this one alone. >> that's a big bear. a huge bear. >> a huge bear with an equally huge appetite. as bob started snapping pictures he noticed the bear hauled a 20 pound bag of dog food from a neighbor's garage and was chowing down. >> bob couldn't keep the camera still because he started laughing. the bear like a person who has eaten too much was tossing and turning. >> repositioned three, four times. stretched out. it just laid there. eventually dozed off. >> the bear eventually walked off into the wood where we can assume he did what bears do in the woods. this is just the latest in a series of events proving bears are pretty much just like us. they eat too much. they fall asleep. they chill in daytona beach. >> got in the hammock. laid back like it was a tourist
or something. and something spooked him. he ran right through there. fast. and then i said well he is gone. half an hour late here come back and there he is in the hammock again. >> that's a great photo. some times they want a change of pace a nice cabin in utah. >> the bear went and took this handle and put it down and i saw the handle moving inside. and that bear came right in the house and stood right here and looked around. >> bears can now use door handles. i'm completely comfortable with that. that will not haunt my dreams at all. i am also cool with the fact that bears are in cities as well sometimes takingly sure lyeisurely strolls in los angeles. >> down the driveway mayfield on bridge. turning into another driveway here maneuver around. see if we can get a shot of him. he definitely. we have a resident there. >> fun afternoon.
just walking, texting, minding your own business. >> i was texting my boss that i would be late for work something is going on. and i'm coming down the stairs. i seat bear coming up the stairs towards me. so i turn back and run for my life. >> clearly, the lesson of all of this is that the bears are taking over. only one person one person so far has the frted to ed tofortitude to stand up to them. here is carl from california his tale possibly tall of his bear encounter. >> i have never run from nothing. i ain't going to start now for some damn bear. i cussed at him. [ bleep ] he looked at me like go -- yourself. >> carl landon, a whirling haymaker punching the bear right in the face. >> man or beast that i run from ain't been born. and its mama is already dead. >> when you make a threat it is particularly powerful to have a
little tiny dog in the crook of your arm. i see no need to resort to a whirling haymaker look he did when a 20 pound bag of dog food seems just as effective at laes on the ridiculist. see you at 11:00 p.m. the cnn original series "the seventies" starts now. thousands of women gathered as a symbolic torch marked the beginning of a national women's conference. >> we think there is going to be a struggle. we don't think men will give up their power and privilege easily. >> american women are the most privileged group of all time. they're still not satisfied. >> the equal rights amendment should be ratified. >> i love them enough to tell them the truth. >> a proving of sexual perversion what a disgrace. >> constitutional amendment appears on the way proclaiming women have all the same rights as that