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gives them a sense of accomplishment. so for different miners it means different things. but overall it's an incredible story to share. >> rosa flores, thank you so much. the cnn report airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern in the united states right here on cnn. that's it for me. i'm brianna keilar. amanpourymanmanpour is next for our international viewers. and in america, "newsroom with brooke baldwin" starts right now. brianna keilar, thank you so much my friend. great to be with you on this tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin and this is cnn. right now the countdown is on. just a couple of hours away from the cutoff for the first gop debate debate. the big question, who's in, who's out? and how will these candidates fare against wild card donald trump? as of right now, based upon cnn cnn's calculations, a poll of polls here, here are the ten who will likely make it to the stage of the first nationally
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televised prime-time presidential debate for 2016. needless to say, donald trump is a sure thing. 23% of support among republican voter voters, nearly twice that of jeb bush his nearest competitor. governor scott walker is in third with 11%, wild right down there on the bottom you have new jersey govern ror chris countrity, ohio governor john kasich just scraping in. and here are the candidates who will likely not make that cut. some a surprise former texas governor rick perry in with this bunch. joining me first up here, maif reston, our cnn national political reporter. mave there's always a chance another poll or two could drop before the 9:00 p.m. cutoff. fox news has set. is there any chance they could widen the debate stage in that 11th hour? and what would happen in the case of that?
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>> well, absolutely. i mean think about how much we've seen the polls fluctuate so far this cycle. it is a little bit surprising that perry didn't make the cut and kasich swept in there. big win for chris christie if you think about it because he was really far down in the polls. but as you know he's been kind of plowing in in new hampshire trying to make connections with voters there by just being there all the time. so i do think that this is very much in flux and i also think that the lower-tier candidates, though, probably will get a few eyeballs in their earlier debate. and certainly this is a chance for all of them to try to shine and jump up to the next level for coming debates. >> people may be calling it the jv version of the debate, but i think there could be real benefits in being part of that earlier crew. >> that is going to be really fun. the early one is going to be fun. >> right. i want to talk about that in a second. but i just heard as we've been recently talking about this
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momentum potentially, the whole draft biden idea before i let you go i heard the vice president just answered a question about running for president. what did he say? >> well basically i think it was kind of a quip to a reporter quickly who had asked would he run for president, and then he responded, only if you're my running mate. so he's still in kind of joke mode about that. >> yeah. >> but i do -- we are hearing obviously that he's been thinking about this seriously. there's aes's there's dowd's reporting over the weekend about how joe biden had serious conversations with his father about this. that could make the democratic side incredibly competitive. i think biden is often really underestimate underestimated. you think about the people that donald trump is connecting with right now, a lot of those blue collar voters. that was biden's bread and butter. that's why obama brought him on as a running mate. so biden potentially could give
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clinton a run for her money, as we mow. it would be really fun and we'll all just work 24 hours a day. that's what will happen. >> as if you all aren't already. here we go. maeve reston, thank you so much. let me stay on politics here. call it a dress rehearsal of sorts. but last night republican contenders sat around a stage to what amounted to i guess we could call this presidential speed dating, if you will, a rapid-fire format in new hampshire. saw some of the candidates taking on questions, everything from immigration reform to the battle against isis. >> we talk a lot at election time, but somehow we never solve these festering problems. >> protecting the homeland is the first duty of the president of the united states. >> i'm a fresh face versus a name from the past. >> when folks approached me four years ago, i was honored but i wasn't ready. >> i don't support the legalization of marijuana. >> people have to balance their budgets. so should the government. >> i'm fluent in clintonspeak.
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do you want me to translate? when bill says i didn't have sex with that woman, he did. when she says i'll tell you about -- when she tells us trust me you've got all the e-mails that you need we haven't even scratched the surface. >> my dad is probably the most perfect man alive so it's very hard for me to be critical of him. in fact i got a t-shirt that says the jeb swag store that says my dad is the greatest man alive. if you don't like it i'll take you outside. >> the mash-up, if you will. i've got matt slach with me, tomorrowor adviser to george w. bush. and dana bash our chief congressional correspondent. wonderful have you both of you on. you know so it begins. matt let me begin with you because we ended with the jeb bush sound bite. let me start with you. he is the front running candidate who did indeed show up last night as we although.
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donald trump did not. you read some criticisms this morning, some missing the mark maybe some nerves there. we're two days out from really the big debate. where do you think he stands right now? >> i think he actually stands in a great place. these formats will be varied. you know he is not always the best on his feet. he's a little more thoughtful. he'll do better when voters have a chance to actually hear his policy views. >> you don't think voters have already heard those? you see the polls. >> here's the problem with the polls. most voters have not even started to focus even on the republican side on who their favorite is. these polls need to be screened much more for likelihood to vote. they're kind of all over the map. jeb bush sitting in second place, my guess is he's pretty happy with that. >> dana, to you. the lindsey graham zinger that's sort of all over when he was ripping had hillary clinton and he wasn't the only republican to do so we should point out. you know what they didn't do?
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they didn't mention donald trump at all. is that strategy foreshadowing for the m.o. come thursday night? >> absolutely. first of all, you remember what happened the last time lindsey graham mentioned donald trump, called him a jackass? >> the cell phone thing. >> his cell phone ended up literally on the cutting room floor. in all seriousness, i absolutely think so. in talking to the campaigns and getting a sense of how they want to deal with donald trump. and really their other competitors on thursday night. their whole idea of getting ahead is, first of all, to talk about their own records but also to do what lindsey graham did, to give republican voters something to talk about, something to chew on a little red meat. and that is going after hillary clinton. nothing is more unifying than going after the woman who we think is going to be the
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republicans' democratic opponent. so i think it's absolutely a preview of what's to come. somebody said to me the other day, there's no point in going after donald trump unless you think you can actually knock him out. so just ignore it or at least use him as a foil. >> on that dana let me follow up on that. since you just talked to donald trump last week how then does donald trump handle the other candidates' not dealing with him on that stage front and center thursday? >> i think he's not going to deal with the others either. i really do. maybe i'm going to be completely surprised but i think he's going to be abortions he likes s as he likes to say donald trump, which means he'll talk about the things that he likes to talk about. you know, if he is pushed personally, he will push back. but because i don't think that's going to happen i think that those of us who are looking for a real personal boxing match maybe we'll be disappointed.
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>> not going to find it. matt just to be clear there's the main event debate later prime-time you have the earlier debate, the jv debate the lower tier debate. >> the undercard. >> then you have this one argument that these candidates actually have a better chance to shine. >> that's right. >> they do not have donald trump out there potentially overshadowing them. >> that's right. >> how do they take advantage of that stage? >> i think you're right. i think there's a real good chance that's a really great debate. and there's no studio audience or a limited one so you know, it's going to be them talking about the issues. and by the way, a smaller number. this issue of ten people participating in a debate, it's a very legitimate problem. in the end, a debate is a television show and you've got to be able to have it flow. one of the reasons you're not going to have a lot of back-and-forth on the prime-time debate is because, with ten people, they each get about five minutes. >> it's not a lot of time and
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it's all about, i hate to say it, maybe more style over substance. we want the sound bite we'll all be mishmashing through the next day. >> that's right. i think the undercard debate will be interesting and will have an impact on this race. >> mishmash, by the way, very technical tv term. dana bash and matt sclap, thank you so much. next here cuffed in class a third grader with adhd put in handcuffs as punishment and apparently this wasn't the first time the officer had done this to one of these kids. also who was michael brown as a person? it doesn't matter, according to the former police officer who shot and killed him. but darin wilson doesn't stop there. revelations from a new interview with the officer. one of the fugitives featured on cnn's original series "the hunt" captured and her young daughter is safe. john walsh joins me live, next. big day? ah, the usual.
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a fugitive's mother sitting in a jail right now and her 3-year-old is in protective custody. all of this as a direct result of cnn's "the hunt." this mother is megan everett who vanished with this little girl more than a year ago lefging a note for the child's father and i quote, dear c, if i let them take her and vaccinate her and brainwash her, i wouldn't be doing what's right. i cannot let a judge tell me how my daughter should be raised. we will miss you, but i had to leave. i know she will be safer and happier with my family and i. love, meg and liliy, her daughter. sunday's episode detailed how this child's father learned his little girl was gone. >> megan was very bubbly. things become a little more personal. it just kind of progressively became more than just a friendship. when megan found out she was pregnant, sha was the game
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changer. that was a big change. lilly was always outgoing always a bundle of joy. >> after they broke up it seemed like she definitely was trying to cut him out of her life completely. >> i got my daughter that first week. then i brought her back. i went to pick her up on may 13th. i knock on carlos' door. he opens the door and he says megan doesn't live here. she moved. and slammed the door in my face. >> with me now i have the host of "the hunt," john walsh. john have you since all of this has happened -- we know the little girl is okay and you caught the mother -- how is the dad? >> the dad is thrilled. he's ecstatic. he's a very loving dad. he didn't want this to happen. he actually agreed to some form of joint custody. i say to parents all the time you know, the child is the victim. i'm sitting here at the national center for missing and exploited
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children. they deal with not only missing kids stranger abducted missing kids but they deal with about 200,000 family abductions a year where the father or the mother who didn't get full custody in a bitter divorce dispute decides, i'm going to punish the other parent and i'm good to steal the child and give the child a better life. but we've had parents who have been drug addicts, robbed houses, lived out of dumpsters, those children are missing children. and megan everett is a very troubled woman. and the father is ecstatic. this little girl is back where she belongs, and she's safe. again, those wonderful, wonderful american citizens who want to do the right thing made that call. the fbi, the marshals the local sheriff in putnam county florida they went right there and got this little girl and she's back in a loving loving situation today. >> you know we've talked about this before, john where i truly, really respect what you have done and how you've
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dedicated your life to put the bad guys behind bars. but i think too, it's the sense of trust you've built with the community, with the hotline. a lot of people are afraid of going to police officers going to law enforcement because perhaps of who they're running with even if they know something. so kudos to you and your team. well thank you. somebody had the courage to do this and i say again, it's been a great partnership with cnn, but ifif someone is watching "the hunt," want to call we don't tap the calls trace the call. police are in the studio, if you want to talk to a cop, you can. my hotline operators don't care who you are. no revenge, no d.a. or a dekt detective will show up at your door and say, we need you to prosecute this case. just do the right thing. just think of this. there's a 3-year-old girl who was living in hiding running from place to place. she's back with a parent because of somebody having the courage to make that call. it's a very good day yesterday. >> john walsh, thank you.
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>> make sure to tune in. you can watch the episode of "the hunt" on demand that particular episode. go to cnn go. tune in each sunday night at 9:00 eastern for all new episodes of "the hunt". next there's video out today that's pretty tough to watch and it has definitely catapulted national attention here from the public. the school resource officer handcuffing an 8-year-old boy with adhd who, yes, was misbehaving. but the sheriff's deputy in the video here is facing a federal lawsuit. we'll get nancy grace to weigh in on this one coming up. also, a major setback involving those u.s. trained syrian rebels who have come under attack. cnn is now learning that some of them have been captured by the enemy. you're watching cnn. we'll be right back.
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a massive setback in the u.s.-led fight against extremists in syria. we're learning that 5 of the 60 u.s.-trained rebels have been captured by an al qaeda official yat. we're told one is killed this all since their attack on their compound friday. officials aren't saying exactly when. the pentagon is now developing a plan to help move the rebel forces to safer locations. and if you'd like to find out how you can help this humanitarian crisis in syria, go to now to this one. everyone talking about this. this 8-year-old boy in kentucky may have acted out of line yes. but the aclu says what a kentucky school resource officer did in response to that was against the law. know what he did? he put this little boy in handcuffs. and the handcuffs were not at the child's wrists. they were around his upper arms.
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>> you don't act like that. you don't get to swing at me like that. you need to behave or you suffer the consequences it's your decision to behave this way. sit back down. >> the boy was restrained just like this for 15 minutes, according to the aclu which is suing the officer kevin will sum sumner and his boss the sheriff. this incident happened in the fall of last year to this boy and twice to a 9-year-old girl. both kids we're told have adhd. a school staffer reportedly recorded this video. with me now hln host and former prosecutor and parent nancy grace. nancy, first let me get in here the officer's attorney told the lexington herald leader that the kids were quote, placing themselves and other people in danger of harm. but handcuffs, nancy?
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>> well i mean defense argument to children playing out on the playground, playing cops and rob irer irers. what's next putting them in stocks when you put your head and wrists in when they misbehave? we have to remember this is an 8-year-old and 9-year-old with zlts. and disabilities. and when you say americans with disability act, you know all the wrath of the law is going to come down on this, much less children. this little boy that was so dangerous weighed about 52 pounds. and he was 3 feet 6 inches. the little girl the 9-year-old little girl, had to be taken away immediately by ambulance to get a psychiatric evaluation. these are children that already had disabilities, babies. babies. my children are 7. what happened to time-out? what happened to that? why did they have to be put in
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handcuffs by a sheriff? >> it's a question i have talked to so many parents they can't even look at the video they're so totally enrage. ed. the aclu to be precise is not suing the school district which said this in a statement about school resource officers, quote, they're not called upon by school district staff to punish or discipline a student who engages in a school-related offense. so apparently this was the teacher which then called in the principal who then called in the school resource officer, took the kid to the bathroom was acting out, and then we saw what happened. do you think, though that the principal, the school district, should they share the responsibility for allowing this to happen? what do you think? >> well, i will say this, all right. under our jurisprudence system you cannot put somebody in jail or sue for lack of acting. you don't have to be a good samaritan. but in this case the school had
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a duty. they designated that duty to the sheriff. so in my mind they should all go in the same pot and let them stew in front of a jury. i'd like to point out that these legal documents, the lawsuit itself, calls for a jury to hear this not just a judge. another issue is, i'm glad that the teacher did take the cell video, but why didn't the teacher say, hey, don't handcuff that student! don't do that. >> right. >> why just get the video and release it? do something about it. so in my mind they're all responsible. >> what can be done, though? i hear you on giving a kid a time-out. but apparently this child, again to point out he's just a child, was acting out, was being physical. i know aclu says you can't shackle a kid. that is illegal. >> what can be done? >> what can be done? >> well okay let's see. between zero and 180, there's
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about 179 choices in between. you go from doing nothing to handcuffing an 8-year-old? i would start with time-out. i would start with calling the parents to come pick him up and take him home. i would start with something like that as opposed to having a deputy sheriff come put them in handcuffs. there are a lot of alternatives. you can kick the kid out of school. don't let them come back if they're such a danger. i'd like to point out the little girl had been in isolation, which is time-out. so how was she being a danger to other people? of course children are going to act out. of course they are. they're children. but handcuffs not the answer. and i predict the aclu is going to win on this one. i mean i'm like you. i couldn't even stand to hear this little boy crying. >> it's tough to look at. >> i had to look away. and i guarantee you a jury is going to feel the same way. >> nancy grace. thank you so much. make sure you watch nancy every night on our sister network hln
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at 8:00 p.m. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next here we are one year since ferguson. the officer darren wilson the former officer darren wilson who shot and killed michael brown is now revealing his insights into life his struggle to find work and what he really thinks about michael brown. we'll talk to a state senator about what life is like now in ferguson a year after grabbing the nation's attention. ♪"once there was a hushpuppy" by dan romer and ben zeitlin ♪ is man kind? are we good? go see. go look through their windows so you can understand their views. go find out just how kind the hes and shes of this mankind are.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news here. we are getting reports that shots have been fired at soldiers near camp shelby in mississippi. this is near hattiesburg. an officer tells cnn the shots were fired from civilian vehicles. the troops were off base at the training area at the time. investigators are now looking into who fired those shots, but the officer tells us that this is not, i repeat not an active shooter situation. again shots fired at soldiers near camp shelby in mississippi. no one has been hurt. that's what we've been told. this is not an active shooter situation. we're making phone calls and we'll get you updates live here on cnn. meantime this sunday ferguson, missouri, will mark the one-year anniversary of the shooting death of michael brown. his death at the hands of former officer darren wilson set off days of violence and vocal civil unrest. now here we are nearly one year later.
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we are hearing at length from this former police officer. he gave an interview to the new yorker magazine. we're learning new insights into his life. he says he can't get a job because he's considered a liability. he also says he and his family tried to go quietly about their lives because of death threats they're still receiving. wilson also talked about community policing and the scathing justice report about the rampant racism within the foerg son police department. he has not, by the way, and says he will not read it. he also specifically said this i don't have any desire, i'm not going to keep living in the past about what ferguson did. it's out of my control. and then when asked about mike brown he said this. do i think about who he was as a person? not really because it doesn't matter at this point. do i think he had the best upbringing? no, not at all. joining me now just for some community response, i have missouri state senator maria chappelle nadal.
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senator, welcome back. >> thank you so much, brooke. >> you know this is the first time we've heard from darren wilson in quite a while and especially how he feels about michael brown. he said specifically in this piece that he only knew him for those 45 seconds in which he was trying -- he says michael brown was trying to kill him. what's your reaction to how he talks about the situation, how he talks about michael brown? >> well obviously what was in the report yesterday is very reflective with how most police officers, many police officers look at -- it's obviously a problem. we can go back in history and the same way african-americans were abused 150 years ago, it's the same way people are treated today. and it's unfortunate. that means that we have a lot of work to do in the future. >> are you saying all officers -- how can you say all officers feel that way? >> i didn't say all officers.
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there are many officers who are out there who feel the same way as darren wilson feel. they don't think about the real lives of individuals who are dying every single day in their hands. swre to we have to make a change in police departments across this nation because far too many people are being executed for no good reason every single day. >> we did learn a bit more about why he specifically chose to be this police officer in ferguson as he points out, it's a higher crimea and increased population of african-americans. this is much different from the community he had come from, jennings. this is what he said. he wanted to move his career forward. he said when he left jennings i didn't want to work in a white area wilson told me. i like the black community, he went on. i had fun there. there are people who will just crack you up. what does that tell you about how he perceived that community, the community of ferguson
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missouri? >> well it's very interesting because jennings and ferguson are right next door to one another. and while there are good relationships that can be had with police departments and with police officer s police officers -- community every single day, you have to really consider at that moment in time when you have the option to deescalate, why didn't darren wilson use that opportunity to deescalate a situation? and today we have a young man who's gone and we have several young men and young women who are african-american who are gone. and that is the reality that we have to face every single day. >> maria chappelle nadal-nadal, thank you, senator, for joining me. >> thank you. two weeks after revealing lindsey graham's cell phone number to the world, now it's donald trump's turn. gawker blasting out his personal digits and yet trump seems to have the last laugh. his strategic reaction coming up. and next what happens when a
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sex offender registries are supposed to be a tool. names are put on the list to help police track the dangerous predators among us. that's the theory anyway. not everyone who makes the list is a rapist or a child molester. kyra phillips investigates one indiana teen's nightmare. how he used an online datinge inging
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app to meet a girl who lied about her age and how that ruined his life. >> reporter: for 19-year-old zack and erd son, it looks like it's been an idyllic summer. relaxing like any other teenager with his family on the st. joe river. but looks can be deceiving. this summer is hardly normal for zack. in fact his parents say zack can't even live in their house anymore because his 15-year-old brother lives here, too. and that's not all. >> like using the internet going to like -- if you're bored going to walk around in a park or something. >> can't go to a mall. >> yeah. can't go to a mall to buy clothes or anything like that. >> reporter: all because zach is listed in his state's sex offender registry. >> it's like an outcast from society for all the things i have put on me. >> reporter: here's what happened. zach went on a racy dating app called hot or not, hoping to
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meet a girl. he did. they had sex. and that's when the problems began. how old did she say she was? >> she had told me she was 17. >> reporter: but she lied. she was actually 14. by law, he had committed a sex crime. he was arrested and convicted. now zach is on the same list of sex offenders as child molesters and pedophiles, and his parents say that's a colossal mistake. >> when you heard those words, that your son was a sex offender, what was your reaction? >> it's a blatant lie. it's not true. it doesn't even fit our lifestyle. it doesn't fit how we raised our kids. >> reporter: even the girl's mother appeared in court, testifying that she didn't want zach labeled as a sex offender because quote, he's really not.
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we also obtained this letter that the girl in question gave zach's family. i'm sorry i didn't tell you my age, she writes. it kills me every day knowing you are going through hell and i'm not. i want to be in trouble and not you. did it ever enter your mind at any time that she could be under age? >> no not at all. >> reporter: and was the sex convict senseual? >> yeah. yeah. >> reporter: but even if the girl admits she lied about her age and the sex was con senseual, as she did in court, it's not a defense in the eye of current sex offender laws. and that's why the judge and prosecutor in zach's case didn't let him off the hook. judge dennis wily angry that zach had used the internet to meet a girl said quote, that seems to be part of our culture now, meet have sex, sayonara. totally inappropriate behavior.
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there is no excuse for this whatsoever. he sentenced zach to 90 days in jail five years probation, and 25 years on the sex offender registry. is that you? are you a sex offender? >> not at all. >> reporter: what's happening to zach sounds unusual, but it's not. according to the national center for missing and exploited children, about a quarter of the 850,000 people on the sex offender registry across the nation were under 18 when convicted. the problem, say experts, is the sex offender registry is one size fits all. everyone on it is treated as if they pose the same threat, whether they're a predatory child rapist or a teenager who had sex with his girlfriend. >> if we caught every teenager that violated our current law we'd lock up 30% or 40% of the
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high school. we're kidding ourselves. >> reporter: former michigan judge william baiul has been trying to fix the sex offender registry for two decades. he says adding teens just takes away resources from monitoring the truly dangerous. >> they take that example and say, boy, we've got to watch this guy, and so we'll apply that to everybody. and it just doesn't make any sense. >> reporter: even convicted sex offenders, the very people the registry was set up to monitor, tell us their type of criminal behavior and mind-set is vastly different from some of these teens. >> he's not the one that we're going to have to fear. he's simply a teenager. >> reporter: ted and rose rodarm were both convicted of molestation in separate incidents 20 years ago and are part of a ministry now for sex offenders. >> the registry has become so diluted that you can't identify
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the truly dangerous, and that in itself is dangerous. >> reporter: so zach is left wondering about what the rest of his life will be like. the weight of his sentencing came crashing down his first day back at church after he was are released from jail. >> he just didn't look right. i said, are you okay? he just shook his head. we went outside, and he just started crying. i said, what's the matter? he just said i don't know who i can talk to. i don't know whose hand i can shake. i feel like everybody is looking at me. you know and to have to deal with that -- >> the shame. >> the shame. that's the biggest issue the shame of it. >> to me it honestly doesn't really seem real to me. it seems like a bad dream that i haven't woke up from yet. >> reporter: in elkhart, indiana keiryra phillips cnn. coming up the first gop quickly approaching, and we should know exactly who makes
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the men and the women. so now a lot of people are asking, because of the study, is there such a thing as a sexist thermostat? i have two of my favorite people on earth here at cnn sit willing next to me, our cnn business correspondent richard quest and senior director of social news samantha berry. awesome to have you on. never in a million years did i ever think i'd talk about sexist thermostats on the news a, and this a shout-out to my fabulous producer in chicago. this is her parting gift to me. she would make fun of me in atlanta that i was freezing cold. but i have to say it's quite warm here in new york. i mean, there are fans. i don't know. >> still complaining! what are you complaining about? get a blanket. >> what do you think? what's the deal? >> the thermostat is neutral. it is how it is set that is the question here. >> right. apparently it's set for men. >> in new buildings like this
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magnificent structure,. so here's a blanket. >> but i don't need your blanket richard quest. >> it is sexist. it's bad for business because productivity goes down when it's that cold. and it's wasteful. >> the voice of reason on the panel. >> i went to find out exactly what this building was like, 22 stories of time warner center. and i discovered ed the man with his finger on the thermostat. >> go ed. >> to discovr the secrets of air conditioning we have to go right to the top. and that means meeting ed. where are we going? >> 22nd floor mechanical room. >> this is the chiller plank. this is quite a piece of operation. >> yes. you can see we're running about
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46-degree water. >> the water is 46 degrees. >> correct. >> then when it goes downstairs. >> right. it picks up the heat coming off the floor. the water temperature rises, comes back to here and gets chilled again and goes back down again. it's a cycle. >> a cycle. >> correct. >> how precise can you get the temperature down there? >> within two degrees of whatever we set it at. >> what do they set the temperature at? 72 to 74 degrees in this building. and women want it at 75 to 77. >> it's a man that set it. that's what you're telling us. >> the building is set to 72 to -- here's the real point. you're all ignoring the point. >> i am not ignoring the point. i say kudos to time warner at setting at that. i would like it warmer. >> look at what you're wearing as opposed to sensible clothes. >> a dress is not sensible? >> with a proper shirt and a
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vest and a jacket. >> love my body language. >> your wardrobe probably stays pretty much the same year round. >> so should yours. >> so i should be here in the middle of summer in new york in a polo neck and closed shoes? >> you don't necessarily have to go that far, but you certainly -- certainly nothing too skimpy. >> no one is skimpy around here. we are comfortable. it is summer w.. we like to rock it with our fashion. >> it's time for men to say there's nothing wrong with the air conditioning. >> i appreciate ed. ed, i appreciate you very much. i enjoy that it's set a little bit warmer than normal. but i did find the study kind of interesting, that so many people used to set the temperature so low for men and metabolism et cetera. so now times are ch-ch-changing. >> women's metabolism is different from men look around the newsroom. you see all these ladies? >> put a sweater on! dress warmly!
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>> richard quest, samantha berry, my favorite brit and irishwoman. thank you so much. now this. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> we continue on here. hour two, you're watching cnn. breaking news we are getting reports that shots have been fired at soldiers near camp shelby in mississippi, specifically near hattiesburg, mississippi. an officer tells cnn shots were fired from civilian vehicles. the troops were off base in this massive training area at the time we're told, but investigators now looking into who fired those shots. but the officer tells us this is not an active shooter situation. again shots fired at soldiers near camp shelby. no one has been hurt we're told. again this is not an active shooter situation. update as we get them. and just a short time from now, republican presidential hopefuls will officially find out if they make the cut for the very first big debate.
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cnn has just crunched the poll numbers, and here are the ten who likely will make it to that stage of the first nationally televised prime-time presidential debate for 2016. you have donald trump, a shoo-in with 23% of support among republican voters. when you do the math that's basically twice that of jeb bush his nearest competitor scott walk irhas 11% and so on. just scraping in the bottom you have new jersey governor chris christie and ohio governor john kasich making that top ten. first sara murray to you, our cnn political reporter, let me ask you, these rt ten we think will make the cut. but who won't make it? >> yeah. so the list of people who won't make the cut, man, that's a bummer to be on the top of. rick perry is right there. just barely missing his mark. you also have bobby jindal carly fiorina, rick santorum wa tack ki, gilmore. none of them making the debate. the interesting thing about
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these mix, these are not no-name candidates. rick perry, longest serving governor of texas, lindsey graham, rick santorum, a stunning list we won't see on the stage. >> these are the republicans we've talked a lot about the democrats. there's been this movement maybe a draft biden movement. i know the vice president just recently -- let's be honest. was he joking about iran? what was he just saying this last hour? >> he was asked if he was serious about running, and when he responded to a reporter he said only if you'll be my running mate. so you can see there he's still trying to deflect questions about them deal with them in a joking manner. it doesn't seem like he's ready to engage in a substantive way about whether he really wants to take on a run for the presidency. and they have made it clear look he's still in the process of making this decision. so i think it's too soon to get an answer from joe biden. >> it seems he is the exception here. he still has a little time. sara murray thank you so much.
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now to the political cell phone feud round one. >> i wrote the number down. i don't know if it's the write number. let's try it. 202 -- >> remember when donald trump gained some major political shock points last month when he was standing there he gave out rival lindsey graham's private cell phone number during that news conference? ♪ well round two, lindsey graham proved to have quite a sense of humor, this video of him burning and chopping off his flip phone. got some laughs, made some points. now we have round three. gawker publishes trump's cell phone number. how does he respond? let's listen. >> hi this is donald trump, and i'm running for the presidency of the united states of america. with your help and support,
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together we can make america truly great again. visit me on twitter at real donald trump and check out my campaign website at www.donald hope to see you on the campaign trail. we're going to do it. >> let me talk about this with our senior media correspondent brian steltzer. >> so awesome. >> it's pretty fantastic to watch all of this. >> what a great way to turn it around. >> but before we get to that i know you have some breaking news on this conversation that rupert murdoch had with donald trump a couple of weeks ago. >> there's this real intrigue about murdoch and trump, murdoch one of the most important republican heavyweights in the country he owns fox news the new york news. some of them have been tough on trump. "wall street journal" said he was a catastrophe. murdoch said he was embarrassing the whole country. that was two weeks ago. a lot has changed.
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i'm about to report that murdoch and trump have gotten on the phone had their first conversation. this is notable because it's an example of an establishment figure like murdoch going to somebody who is clearly not part of the establishment trump and maybe mending fences. one source called this a peace brokering conversation. it is true that murdoch has been softening his tone about trump. he recently said on twitter if trump comes out unscathed in this debate it will be a big win and everybody has to pay attention and take trump seriously. sounds to me like things are cooling between the two of them and maybe murdoch is coming around. >> all right. so we'll look ahead to thursday and see how trump does with the debate. also this. back to the cell phone, trump just tweeted, thank you gawker. call me on my cell phone. and listen to my campaign message. who do you think wins this round? trump? >> absolutely donald trump. it's almost like nothing can wound him. that's how it looks right now when you look at the polls with his performance as a
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front-runner seeming to gain ground, gain momentum in the most recent polls. and by taking these lemons and making them into lemonade every time it seems to happen, i think it's a reminder to the pundits the talking heads out there and out here, that he's not your normal candidate add and he won't play by normal rules. maybe other candidates can learn from how trump does it. >> the tom ten, two hours a way from that being solidified to know definitively who will be on the stage. >> my guidance i'm getting from fox news, the representative this afternoon, they will not know anything for sure until 5:00. they're all going to meet after 5:00. they're not sure when they'll announce the top ten. maybe there's a slight chance there could be a top 11. >> no way. >> i don't think it will happen but i was guided, they have never actually committed to the exact number. it looks like it will be a top ten. it looks like perry will be out. we won't know for sure my point until after 5:00. >> we'll wait for it. i'm sure it will be on cnn with the news.
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thank you, sir. brian stelter. and like it or not, come thursday, as we've been discussing for this debate when the presidential candidates take to that stage, all eyes will be on donald trump, front and center. but will he be able to keep his lead off the debate or will it be the nail in his political coffin? let me bring in ed lee, emory university debate director. ed, great to have you on. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> so read your piece on cnn dox. you had a lot of great thoughts. i have to ask, in these debates when it's so early on 10, maybe 11, when you only have a minute to respond to a question what's the strategy, style or substance? >> i think that for most people it's style who are unknown. however, donald trump is a known commodity as you've just reported. he's up 23%, almost double digits over his second close competitor. at this point he's not trying to consolidate. it seems his lead with the tea party. he's trying to bring new people into the party, those who will support him.
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i think for him substance could go a long way to helping him. >> how are you substantive in 60 seconds? >> well one of the ways you can do it is identify some particular issues that you are concerned about. one of the things that donald trump bricks to the table is that he can tout is he's a job producer, that the government doesn't produce jobs that businesses produce jobs and he's the best job producer of the 17 people who are running. so in 60 seconds he could hit on the issue of jobs the economy, and the need for there to be someone outside of government to come in and make it more effective in doing the job that most people want them to do. >> staying on trump, i think you just hit it and iech've talked to a lot of people the reason people like him is he's not a washington insider, right? people are frustrated with government. but in your piece you do reference needing to act presidential and if you're donald trump how do you do that when at the same time you don't want to be of the inside the
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beltway ilk. >> you've identified a very difficult task. the folks he's been communicating with are very much excited about the vitriolic and bombastic ways he's communicating. but there will be a large collection of people who are starting to tune in for the first time. and for those people, they are interested in someone who will be the nation's first diplomat someone who can go abroad someone who they think is represent their issues and interests in a very effective way. and so i think that he now needs to make a pivot towards trying to communicate with those people in order to make a long-term run for the presidency. that the folks that he's gotten on board now can't sustain his candidacy. >> you know it's also interesting when you look at we'll call it a spectrum of debate on one end you have the mega general election debate when you're one-on-one you have so much time and talk about substance. that's when you get into the nitty-gritty. then you have what we're talking about thursday night when you
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share the stage with ten people and i hear you on substance, but you also want to have and i think of lindsey graham and his zinger with hillary clinton last night clearly he had ready to roll. you want those zingers that we will all be talking about, we the media, the next day. >> you're going to talk about donald trump the next day. and the most interesting and news worthy or noteworthy thing that he could do is to speak to an issue like the economy, to speak to an issue like a large collection of people are interested in and to offer a side or perspective of himself that we have yet to see, that donald trump is in a very fortuitous place that many of the other candidates including lindsey graham would love to be in, that i am talking about donald trump, that you can't get enough of talking about donald trump. and many the media that what he now needs to do is figure out how to communicate with the audience. the most important thing that a debater needs to do is figure out who their audience is.
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and for donald trump it's no longer the tea party anti-government wing while that continues to be part of it it's now figuring out how to build upon that coalition and attract folks who are interested in seeing someone who will represent the nation well. and i think he can do that. i think he can start to do that. >> all right. ed lee, quite a tv event thursday night. we should postgame on friday. >> absolutely. >> thank you so much sir. >> thank you for having me. have a great day. >> you too. coming up next the case of a man shot and killed by police after getting in a car crash. he was apparently looking for help. now the officer is on trial and next you'll hear how his lawyer describes that night and says race indeed did not play a factor. plus cops in class. a third grader with adhd put in handcuffs as a punishment and apparently this wasn't the first time that officer had done that to a child. stay with me.
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before michael brown, before eric garner even before at thattamir ra rice, there was the shooting of the unarmed african-american man killed in september of 2013 by a white officer by the name of randall character. his trial just began in north carolina. he was a former football player. he got into an accident and his car, and it was so mangled he had to climb out of the back window. so after doing so he went to this nearby neighborhood, knocked on the door of a home for help, where the woman inside thought he was trying to break in. so what did she do? picked up the phone and called 911. >> i need help. >> where are you at? >> there's a guy breaking in my front door. >> there's a guy breaking in your front door? >> yeah. he's trying to get in. my god, please. oh, my god, i can't believe i
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opened the door what the [ bleep ] is wrong with me. >> you thought it was your husband. >> oh, my god, he has a gun. i e's trying to kick it down. >> when officers arrived on the scene, that is when police officer carrick shot multiple times. carrick is on trial for voluntary manslaughter. aleen naina machado has been covering the story in charlotte. she joins me with more. do we know what happened to jonathan ferrell after officers first arrived an the scene? >> reporter: well, brooke we know three officers responded tolt scene after that 911 call$911 call was place and that jonathan ferrell approached them. police have said that one of these officers tried to use a stun gun but was unsuccessful. another officer, the officer who's on trial, randall carrick, was the only one to use his gun. carrick fired 12 shots, 10 of those shots hitting feral,
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killing the 24-year-old. we've known all along that there is dash cam video of the encounter, but it's never been released to the public. we are expecting to see the dash cam video at some point here's what the defense said in opening statements about ferrell. >> he could walk. he could talk. he could advance. that's going to be supported by the testimony of officer neil who saw him punching swinging climbing up officer carrick. officer kerrick's dr na is underneath jonathan ferrell's
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fingernails. ladies and gentlemen, this case is not about race. it never was. this case is about choices. jonathan ferrell made bad choices. >> reporter: now, today is the first full day of testimony. the jury of eight women and four men has seen some of the items that were found inside ferrell's wrecked car. this trial, brooke, is expected to last several weeks. >> alina machado, thank you very much. let's bring in our legal minds. with me now, hln legal analyst joey jackson and sunny hostin. welcome to both of you. i remember this story. i remember we covered it quite thoroughly initially. what i remember about it joey jackson, is initially it was a non-indictment of that police officer. >> that's right. >> but that changed. remind us why. >> sure. it certainly did. as alina said, what ended up happening, let's go back to september of 2013.
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two years ago, what happens is there's this incident. he is as alina said charged within 24 hours of this voluntary manslaughter. the case is presented to a grand jury around january of 2014. the initial grand jury decides not to indict. the case is presented by the district attorney. the district attorney then about a week later presents the case to another panel with the argument that there was less than the full complement of grand jurors provided by law. you're allowed up to 18 in north carolina. the defense, of course tried to block that move. the judge said this is not double jeopardy to the extent it's not a final resolution of a case. as what a trial would have been. they re-present the case to the grand jury and lo and behold the second grand jury that heard many more witnesses than the first decided to indict for voluntary manslaughter. >> there you have it. >> that gets us to the trial. >> that gets us to the trial. and hearing some of the opening statements, alina mentioned there is dash cam video, has not been released yet. you have one side that says, you watch the dash cam video,
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absolutely it was a murder. the other side says there was punching, dna found under the nails that the officer was attacked. how do you argue this? >> look, i think what's going to be interesting is this jury will hear two very different versions of events. from the prosecution, they'll hear this was an officer who overreacted an officer who used excessive force deadly force. but from the defense you're going to hear this is an officer who was afraid for his life. i think bottom line especially given the climate that we are in we've been covering these cases, i feel like every day for the past couple of years, i think jurors are very sensitive to these issues the issues that do generally involve race and policing. and i don't think that jurors go into the jury room and listen to the facts in a vacuum. i think they keep their common sense and they determine what makes sense. does it really make sense for someone who was just in a car accident who is seeking help to attack a police officer who has responded to help?
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in my mind's eye, that doesn't really make sense. so i think that's the sort of equations that these jurors will have to grapple with. >> but then as we played the shear terror in that woman's voice truly believing someone was trying to break into her home when actually that isn't the case. then the other attorney saying this isn't about race. this is about choices. >> that's why it's such awe critical statement. state of mind is critical. when you have an officer who onltively believes there's a break-in, not someone we determine later has crashed a car accidentally who happens to be a former football player you know. >> he wasn't going into that thinking about being a college football player. >> exactly. good guy, nonaggressive. there's an intruder. the defense will argue that he was, that is the officer, objectively reasonable. he was fearful for his safety, rightly or wrongly. he thought he was under attack rightly or wrongly.
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as a result of that, his actions are justified. that's what the argument will be. as to whether the argument carries the day is another matter. we also have to discuss though the dash cam which of course will be shown to this jury. i think that will be extremely important. >> i think we're not talking about the big elephant in the room which is there's a big black guy who is banging on someone's door. she opens up the door. and immediately she believes this is an intruder. and that is a racial issue. that is a racial issue. that is about perceptions. that is about sort of these inherent biases that we carry with us each and every day that people don't want to talk about. and i hope during this trial that is something that will be talked about. >> sure. >> that is going to be on everyone's mind. >> critical, sunny. but i think what's also critical is, it's 2:30 in the morning. generally speaking you don't get your door knocked on at 2:30 in the morning and the guy is kicking because he's in a heightened state of oh, my gosh i crashed my car. >> perhaps if he looked differently we wouldn't be talking about it today. that is just -- i don't want to make everything did race butt
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the bottom line is, this is the world that we are living in. this is why we're covering this case. black men are typically treated differently by police officers. they are perceived differently by people in the community. and it's something that if we don't talk about, that is never going to change. and i'm unafraid to talk about it. >> and on the last issue of race if you look at the jury the composition, you have two latin americans on the jury and three african-americans on the jury. then the rest are white. >> we'll follow it every step of the way. sunny and joey thank you both very much. p. >> you bet. next on cnn, we have to talk about this child handcuffed. you've seen the video. handcuffed above the elbows in the middle of this classroom by the school resource officer. now the deputy getting sued. we're going to talk to an expert about what should happen in these situations. plus a circus tent collapses killing a father and his daughter. coming up i'll talk to a witness who was there when it all happened. stay with me.
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. an 8-year-old boy in kentucky yep, may have been acting out at school. but the aclu says what a school resource officer did in response to that was absolutely against the law. know what he did? he put the child in handcuffs. those handcuffs were not at the child's wrists. they were around his upper arms. and there is video. >> you don't get to swing at me like that. you need to behave the way you are supposed to or you suffer the consequences. it's your decision to behave this way. sit back down. >> that little boy was restrained just like that for 15 minutes, according to the aclu which is suing that school
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resource officer kevin sumner and his boss the kenton county sheriff. now, this all happened actually in the fall of last year. it happened to this boy and twice to a 9-year-old girl both children with adhd. the covington public school said in a statement today that the school resource officers are, quote, not called upon by school district staff to punish or discipline a student who engages in a school-related offense. with that, let me go to lisa figueroa. lisa wonderful to have you on. i wanted to have your voice. the first question as we just heard from the school is if it is forbidden for the school resource officers to discipline the students, can you just explain to me what situations would arise in which these officers would be called in to help with a child. >> well thank you for inviting me on. i think you've hit the key
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question here. it's not clear to me why any child needs to be handcuffed, certainly for the kind of behavior we heard this young man had exhibited prior to the use of restraints. but i think the greater question that your question provokes is, where's the oversight? if the kentucky school department of education, state department of education, says, don't use redstraints, don't be using punishment through restraints or arrest, why are the sheriff's deputies using it? and we know from other school departments which do use sros that there's training and information that we can give sros so that they don't use unnecessary, unreasonable and excessive use of force, especially for children with special needs who need special treatment. >> i mean listen i think anyone i've talked to today, especially moms in my life all are horrified when they see this video. so i think there's the reaction
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piece of it. but then there's also the piece in which, listen there are kids who need more than just a time-out. so i guess the question then would be how should those kids be handled? >> well we have to go back to the root question here. are police the right ones to handle children in those circumstances? >> right. >> when you have certified special education teachers who are in schools for that exact purpose. when a school system cedes its control to law enforcement and law enforcement is not recruited for its capacity to deal with youth it's not trained for its capacity and to be sure it knows how to deal with children of all stripes, then you're going to have this kind of outcome. because law enforcement is trained only on how to deal with adults, and it's going to use the treatment it uses for adults on children. this is not developmentally appropriate or competent. but in a state like kentucky not a single hour in the
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kentucky academy is allocated to training officers how to deal with children or youth and certainly not how to train them to deal with children in the public schools. so we should anticipate that this kind of collision of points of view is going to happen in states where there's no eligibility requirement that would ensure that officers know how to deal with young people. they're not trained. and then there's no oversight about their use of force or restraint. >> which i think you've hit on the key issue of training and lack of training. but i'm also left wondering, final question to you, you think back to when you were 8. you remember, this is the kind of thing you would remember as an 8-year-old having handcuffs slapped on your arms for misbehaving. i'm wondering just how this child should be -- i don't know -- handled. talk about the psychological ramifications of that. >> well, we know that this kind of conduct traumatizes the child weakens their connection
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to school and we know equally well there are other approaches to be used. question here is why didn't the covington public school district and the covington sheriff's department ensure that age-appropriate best practices were used with this child when all the evidences out there that there are effective alternatives for that age group? if we want the child to drop out of school if we want to punish and push out instead of correct and keep these children, we're going to have to change our practices. and kentucky i think at the state level needs to look at that. >> lisa thirau thank you so much. >> thanks for having us on. coming up, a circus tent collapses in the middle of a storm. two people die. dozens of others are injured. up next firsthand accounts from someone who was under the tent when it came down. plus just stunning video here showing the rescue of a
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hampshire. my goodness this circus tent just collapsed two and injuring many more. this happened last night at lancaster. what you're looking at is all that was left of this tent after a thunderstorm moved through this area. the national weather service had issued a severe thunderstorm warning about 23 minutes before the tent just collapsed. but at the time about 100 people were inside when the big top just came down on them. the cause of the collapse is being investigated but among those injured, 9-year-old jason rabita. i have doreen dingman with me. she took jason to the circus last night. she dates his dad. she is in lancaster, new hampshire. thank you doreen for joining me. do i see a sling around your neck? how are you doing and how is jason? >> jason is doing good. i had surgery done on my shoulder. that's why it's in a sling. >> because of the tent collapse?
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>> no no. no. >> oh, okay. sorry. >> no. before that. >> but jason got really banged on his head. did i read he got 13 staples? >> yes. he has 13 staples in his head. >> my goodness. can you just take me back to last night. what was it like when the tent started gaving way? >> well it was pretty scary because everyone everybody was screaming and hollering. my niece looked at me because i went to the circus with my niece kim and her two boys noah and isaac kolt and we were sitting there and my niece looked at me once the wind started coming in, and she said auntie, we need to get these kids out. so i had grabbed isaac and jason and we started heading out. jason had fallen, and when he started to get up again the beam had hit him on the head. i saw it happen. i saw the beam hit him. but then i ran outside because i
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thought he was ahead of me. i went into -- they had this -- what is it. where they were selling cotton candy and stuff. >> like a concession stand. >> yes. i sat near there because with the hail that was coming down, i couldn't breathe because it was so cold. and the hail hitting me in the face and everything like that. but then my niece was still stuck underneath the tent with her son. when i saw her come out, i told her, i yelled to show her where i was. so she gave me her other son noah and she says to me well, where's jason? and i says, kimmy, i don't know where jason is. i says i saw him get hit, but then i don't know where he went to. you know, she went into the
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tent, back into the tefrnt tent, and was looking for him. i mean, she didn't give up looking for jason while i had her two kids in safety. then when it slowed down raining i told kimmy, i said, i'm headed to the car because jason's dad has always told them that if you get separated, run to the vehicle that you came in with. so that's what he was doing. >> that's smart. that's smart. so he finally came back. and now, what, 13 staples later he's okay. >> yeah he is. >> he's okay you're okay. doreen dingman, thank you so much. my goodness our best to jason. i'm so glad you all are all right. >> oh, yes, i am too. >> thank you. next here a baseball team and a family just shocked and in mourning after this adorable bat boy dies. next hear what the players and the boy's father said about him in an emotional tribute. ue psoriasis most of my life.
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there are still plenty of tears and a mountain of heartache after a 9-year-old bat boy kaiser carlisle died after being accidentally hit in the head by a practice swing. as cnn's gary tuchman reports, kaiser's baseball family is honoring his memory. >> reporter: there is no shortage of 9-year-olds who love baseball and dream of being a bat boy. kaiser carlisle was one of them. and he got to live that dream out with the liberal kansas bee jays one of the teams in the amateur national baseball congress. a summer league for mostly college players. adam anderson is the team's head
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coach. >> he was as much a part of the team as anyone else out here. >> reporter: the bee jays had made it to the world series, but on saturday, a freak horrifying accident. a bee jays player took a practice swing in the on-deck circle, not seeing that kaiser had come out to retrieve a bat. kaiser had a helmet but it wasn't enough to protect him when he got hit in the head. the home plate umpire who is a paramedic started treat being him as other medical personnel arrived, players on the field prayed for the batboy who was critically hurt and rushed to the hospital. the next day the team had another game in the tournament and won. but right after it ended, they found out their batboy, kaiser carlile carlile, had died. caden simmons is a pitcher on the team. >> it's amazing how much someone can touch your life in such a short time and how -- just how big of an influence someone can make on you. >> reporter: players and coaches talk with reporters about their love for this young man.
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but they were also addressing >> players and coaches talked with reporters about their love for this young man. they were also addressing kaiser's family. brady cox talked about one game where kaiser was a bit under the weather and lying down on the bench. >> i asked him what was wrong. i'm not feeling with. i feel your pain man, i'm 0 for 2. i understand it's like all right. he gave me a hug and i hit a home run p. >> never had a little brother i could be a guy with. i want to thank you guys for that. >> i wasn't planning on talking. but kaiser's father made the decision to do so after hearing what players and coaches had to say about his son. he did not want them to feel guilty. >> i just feel bad for the team. understand i have my is loss with a my son, it's just as hurtful for them. kaiser was one to bring a smile
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to everyone's face i'm not saying i actually you was the one that taught him, but i tried to raise him the best i could to be that type of person. i never knew how much he actually touched people until now. >> chad carlisle wished the players good luck as they finished the world series and hugged his daughter. the members of the team who cared for kaiser so much wanted his family to know just how much. >> how much he touched me in the short amount of time i've known him, how much he meant to me i can't imagine what the family's going through. you'll always be in my hearts for that slu kaiser will always hold a special place in my heart, i'll never step on the field and not think of him. i want to say thank you for blessing us with him. >> gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta.
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five years ago tomorrow the world watched as the massive rescue drilling 2,000 feet down. tonight cnn looks back at those tense moments it took to get the miners out. the rescue drill so close to the trapped miners yet so far away. >> frustration is mounting. plan b's drill is stuck. just feet away from the 33 trapped miners. >> what in god's name are we going to go now? >> it doesn't move up or down.
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>> we've come this far, and go through all this and this thing is stuck here. >> then a loud pop. >> everyone just kind of stopped at one point in time. >> they can't figure it out. >> then the drill starts moving. >> science know how and will were applied. but at the end of the day, the big guy had everything to do with this rescue. >> a short time later -- >> turned around gave the thumbs up. >> even jeff hart is celebrating. >> when i saw the drill breakthrough that was by the hand of god the miracle was done. >> if it's not miraculous it's most definitely mind blowing.
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>> 33 men who survived 66 days of purgatory now have a long tunnel connecting them to the families who once feared them dead. >> the minister of the mine came up and gave me a hug. and he introduced me to a lot of these family member ss and i just lost it. >> rosa flores i'm so glad they sent you to chill what i, we were all -- life stopped, especially when they were finally rescued, and so so many stories between the two women who were waiting by for that one miner. all these stories. >> and there are more. >> are there are more. faith played a huge role for a lot of these men? >> that's the only thing they felt they had when they were so deep many. >> 69 days. >> 69 days it's a really really
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long time. what gives me the chills is when you hear the engineers, the scientists who say, we can't explain how this tool did this because it's not designed to do this that's when they say, you know the 34th miner was probably god. it's very intense. one of the amazing things is that these men allowed us into the homes, they showed us their photographs, shared their stories, a lot of the things that we didn't hear about when this was unfolding. one of the things i'm fascinated by is 1 billion people were glued to their television screen. did you know for a bit, people were watching a replay something so bad went -- happened underground, we reveal this in a special report and we talked to the miner who actually fixed the problem half a mile deep underground. and then you know he said but imagine the agony for my family i was still down there. while the world watched this pg
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version of what was happening. >> so many people don't know that and all the stories, i can't wait to hear them five years later, rosa florez thank you so much. watch her documentary, it's a special report tonight, a miner miracle, it airs tonight at 9:00 eastern and pacific right here on cnn. thank you for being with me. see you back here tomorrow. in the meantime the lead starts now. welcome to selection tuesday, i'm jake tapper, this is the lead. >> the politics lead who is in who is out in less than one hour we could find out which republican candidates made the cut for the first debate of the 2016 presidential race and which will be banished to the so called kids table. we already know there could be one big surprise. the national lead a huge wildfire leaving a critical containment