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ts to the final show. he raised over $2 million. that is it for me. i'll be right back here at 5:00 eastern. for our international viewers, "amanpour" is next and for our north american viewers, poppy harlow is filling in for brooke baldwin. cnn newsroom starts right now. hi everybody. i'm poppy harlow in for brooke baldwin. we begin with the most watched debate in history. 24 million viewers. the 2016 candidates squared off for the very first time. donald trump sold the show but he's still simmering and laughing out hours after top republicans shared that crowded stage to lay out their plans for this court andntry and exchanging blows. the fireworks started ten
seconds in. not a word spoken just donald trump's hand. >> is there anyone unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual support of the nominee and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? mr. trump? >> you call women you don't like fat pigs dogs slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> i'm going to have to earn this. maybe the bar is even higher for me. that's fine. >> i don't know. i didn't get a phone call from bill clinton before i jumped in the race. did any of you get a phone call from bill clinton? i didn't. maybe it's because i hadn't given money to the foundation or donated to his wife's senate campaign. >> how is hillary clinton going to lecture me living paycheck to paycheck? >> i said be at my wedding and
she came to my wedding. >> if hillary is the candidate, which i doubt, that would be a dream come true. >> if you're blowing hot air about this you can say things about that. >> i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug. if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead. >> and you know senator paul the hugs i remember are the hugs i gave to the families who lost their people on september 11th. >> joining me now to talk about all of it there's a lot to unpack from last night. sarah murray cnn's political reporter. we heard a lot from donald trump on stage and we've heard a lot from him since, both on the news and on twitter. what is he saying? >> reporter: yeah. it's really after last night's debate donald trump's campaign put out a press release declaring himself the winner but since then he's had a lot of
complaints saying the questions were unfair. let's hear what he said this morning. >> i thought the questions were unfair but i can live with it and it's probably you're number one in the polls and you have to answer the question. even the other candidates they got off stage and they said to me, you know it's amazing that those questions were so unfair. they all felt how unfair those questions were. but you know what i enjoyed the evening. i thought they were unfair but that's okay. it was an amazing evening and i'm sure it was a great success. >> now, in addition to complaining about the unfair questions, trump went after directly megyn kelly posting a tweet saying, "wow megyn kelly really bombed tonight." people are wondering if he had such a good debate and he was a winner why he is complaining about such unfair questions from the moderator? >> here's the thing sara, if
you want to be the leader of the free world, are there any unfair questions? >> reporter: i would say there are some unfair questions but i don't think he got hit harder than the others necessarily. when you look at the moderators they held scott walker marco rubio all to task for their records. the difference is donald trump doesn't have a voting record. when you're talking about him, his record is the comments he's made. it's the business deals he's done. that's what they went after. >> yeah. absolutely. sara murray reporting for us a post-debate analysis. joining me to weigh in, mercedes republican strategist matt lewis. guys thanks for being here. a lot of talk about donald trump. you have 24 million americans watching. just a huge huge amount of interest here. if you're talking about google searches tweets and clicks donald trump, again, getting so
much attention. i want to go round robin here. who won and who scares hillary clinton the most? mercedes let me begin with you. >> well i would like to say carly fiorina won. although she wasn't on the stage at 9:00 p.m. and then marco rubio and rand paul. >> why do you think that marco rubio resonated so much in terms of that moment when he said hillary clinton, if she wants to talk to me about living paycheck to paycheck well i grew up like that. was that the moment? >> i've got to tell you, he was so strong at the beginning and continued throughout. yes, he made that connection with the viewers. he was able to tell not only the personal story but talk about his constituents and able to talk about what he would do with plans, with substance on the economic side on the immigration side. i think he just gave the most solid answers while, at the same time appearing to be em pi thetpithetic
with the voters. >> the comments about tone we don't have time to focus on my tone or political correctness, if you're a donald trump supporter already, that's what you expected. but did his comments on women or how you responded specifically to megyn kelly, did that turn other potential supporters off? >> i definitely think so. i think he had an excellent opportunity to expand the base of support by moving in the direction of demonstrating that he was actually could be presidential. he could talk about policy and engage in a conversation about the economy. he could engage in a conversation about the need for there to be a business person in the white house who understands the way in which the economy functions and can be a job creator and he failed. that most of his arguments were about being slashed and
ultimately hyperbole and very little substance. i agree, that he was probably the loser of the debate because he missed an opportunity there. >> all right. to you, matt i want you to listen to something that john kasich said because he caught a lot of people off guard who might not have been expecting as much from him. i want to you listen to this. >> if you had a son or daughter who was gay or lesbian, how would you explain to them your opposition to same-sex marriage? >> the court has ruled and i said i would accept it and, guess what i just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. because somebody doesn't think the way i do doesn't mean that i can't care about them or can't love them. so if one of my daughters happened to be that of course i would love them and i would accept them. because you know what that's what we're taught when we have strong faith. >> he also got a lot of credit
for his comments about medicaid expansion. recidivism rates, for example, are down 10% in our state and one of the states where it has expanded the least in terms of more spending. do you think the rest of the republican party learned something from him last night? >> i don't know if they learned anything but what we learned is that john kasich is for real. i think he exceeded expectations. he's a governor of ohio in ohio he got a lot of applause. maybe some of that is sort of the local boy feel. but i think he handled it very well. he's sort of a bleeding heart conservative and maybe there's a conservative base out there that likes the passionate conservative message. john kasich barely made it into the debate. he was the number ten guy who got in. i think he's a winner. there's never one big winner. he was definitely a winner last night. >> mercedes what about your take on john kasich and what he showed last night?
>> well i've got to tell you, i was at the arena during the debate and when his name was mentioned, obviously the crowd went wild. ohio loves governor john kasich. and i have to tell you, that home turf that teary-eyed moment when he was talking about gay marriage i really think it reached the people. i think that he was very genuine. and i do believe that he does resonate with that compassionate conservative message in talking about urban issues criminal justice reform. all of these issues that if we do apply conservative principles to them that actually we may be able to gain traction with some of the minority voters. >> ed i want you to listen to part of what jeb bush said. i will roll it and we can talk about it on the other side. >> i want to win. i want one of these people here or the ones at 5:00 to be the next president of the united states. we're not going to win by doing what barack obama and hillary clinton do each and every day.
dividing the country. >> that may be at one of his more passionate moments from last night. here you have a candidate who has raised a record amount from his super pac in the first beginning stages of this campaign over $100 million. you have someone who has a famous last name that may help or hurt him and someone who a lot of the establishment was betting on. do you think that he convinced the establishment and that he convinced voters, yep, i got this one, i can carry it all the way through? >> no. i would have some serious concerns about his performance last night if i was his supporters whether voters are funders, that i felt like he felt at times a little bored. he felt a little unsure about himself. you are right, that that was his strongest moment but his defense of the bush dynasty, his discussions of common core there are various points in which he felt unsure of himself and weak and i think that kasich had an extremely strong performance and that he should
be very concerned about the possibility that kasich may be stealing away some of his thunder and moving up in the polls and becoming the establishment candidate. so he had a lot of margin of air ror error coming in. i think there's opportunity for it to get corrected by the next debate. >> we have a long road ahead and even time for the next debate which, by the way, will be here on cnn. matt lewis, to you. is this group stronger than 2012? >> much stronger. if you compare this to 2012 last night was a net plus for the republican party. i think they have to be very happy about how it went down. you just go through the candidates. last time we had michele bachmann and herman cain. every single candidate is essentially an upgrade here. these were pros who -- these
were heavyweights going to battle and i think it's a strong field and i think it bodes well for republicans. >> all right. mercedes matt ed thank you. appreciate it. as i just said cnn is hosting the next republican presidential debate in this 2016 race only right here on cnn, live the night of september 16th. coming up next with republican candidates vowing to undue the nuclear deal with iran the white house is now losing support of a major player in their own party. democratic senator chuck schumer. could the deal be in jeopardy? late reaction from the white house coming in. also who hacked the pentagon? the latest target in a huge cyberattack. why many say russia is suspect number one. how thieves may have used gas to pull off a brazen
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just this afternoon, the white house press secretary responding to what chuck schumer said about the iran deal saying it's not a surprise that a key ally with the president is going against him on the iran deal. chuck schumer said he will not support the plan. he's next in line to be the leader of the senate so very powerful in that party. he posted a statement on why he made that decision. "i believe iran will not change and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and nonnuclear power." the president comparing the
opposing the deal to iranian hard liners. he gave an interview to cnn's fareed zakaria. >> you made a comparison in a speech and said iran's hard liners were making with the core and should be insulted. >> what i said is absolutely true factually. the true is inside of iran the people most opposed to the deal are the revolutionary guard, the quds force, hard liner who is are opposed to any cooperation with the international community. the reason mitch mcconnell and the rest of the folks in his caucus oppose this jumped out and opposed it before they even read it before it was even posted is reflective of an ideological commitment not to get a deal done. and in that sense, they do have
a lot in common with hard liners who are much more satisfied with the status quo. >> our chief national cropped jim sciutto is with me now. look you've read about chuck schumer's opposition to the deal. he said he did not agree with it. when you hear something like this from chuck schumer, are other nation who is signed onto the deal reacting? >> they are worried about the politics here. i was meeting with a british official last week because the british are part of the p5+1. they've come out in support. so they are aware what happens in congress could sink the deal. it's interesting, poppy, listening to the president about comparing the opposition here to the opposition in iran. he's right that there's opposition in both countries but the difference is the quds force, the iran hard liners they opposed the deal because
they very well may want to keep the capability for a nuclear weapon. whereas the folks on this end -- and chuck schumer is a thoughtful guy. he went tu ithrough it. he wants the opposite. the problem with the president here was in effect saying if you're against the deal i negotiated then you want war. when the fact is when you hear from the schumers and others they say, listen, i don't want war but i took a look at this and i don't think it guarantees our national security interest. it's one thing when you're directing -- it's easy to make that charge against the other party. it's a bit harder when you're making it against your own party here and that's the real problem. >> i want to read you more about what chuck schumer made in this long explanation. "even when we detect radio activity at a site where iran is illicitly advancing its
bomb-making capability the 24-day delay would hinder our ability to determine precisely what was being done at that site." >> here's the problem. a 24-day delay is not anytime, anywhere. the president said this in his speech at au and i heard this from intelligent officials as well. radioactive materials last a long time. the half life for uranium is 4.5 billion years. you can't just sort of dig a hole. there are detectors that can find this material even if the iranians -- even if you wait 24 days and they try to cover it up. that's the u.s. position saying we're good enough to protect it. even if the iranians try to cheat, chuck schumer has had a lot of classifications. he's not convinced.
it's clear that a reasonable person could look at this deal even a member of the president's own party. >> right. >> and not come to the same conclusion. >> i'm interested in what you think this does politically when you have someone so high ranking, very well respected, tapped into this as you said numerous classified briefings on national security who says look i thought about it. he doesn't criticize the president in this statement. he says i gave him tremendous credit for his work on this issue but says this is why i don't agree with it and goes through it step by step. what does that do for other democrats who might be on the fence? does that give them what they needed to publicly oppose it? >> it may for some. we had another democrat house foreign affairs committee come out against it today. there's a school of thought politically that chuck schumer, he wants to be the democratic majority leader in the senate that he wouldn't have come out against this unless he believed that the president had enough votes to not override the veto. in other words, he's come out
against it but knows that the president is not going to get voted over on this. there's that school of thought. but there is a risk poppy, for the president. he's a powerful democrat. that others may follow his lead. they may give him cover. that's a risk. while the white house is con convinced they have the votes, nothing is guaranteed. >> nothing is guaranteed especially in washington. >> yes. >> on such a divisive issue. jim sciutto, thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up fareed's entire interview with the president on fareed zakaria gps this sunday morning at 10:00 eastern only right here on cnn. coming up next confusion over a piece of plane found in the indian ocean has victims' families of mh370 furious. we'll take you live to tolouse france which is where the investigation is taking place right now. also donald trump lashing out after last night's debate retweeting someone who called
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an anguishing period for the family members. what is the latest on the investigation? what have they been able to say or not say definitively saima? >> reporter: there's been no word from the french authorities. they remained tight lip saying "no comment" when we repeatedly asked the same question about wanting more details from them and then they said yes, we have not received that new debris here yet. the investigators have wandered around the lab testing the flaperon. the new debris that's being packed up the malaysian transport minister speaking to cnn saying that he's confident
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donald trump lashing out today after he says he was treated unfairly at the big gop debate last night, the first one, the most primary debate in history with 24 million of you tuning in. take a look at this moment from last night. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs dogs slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account. >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. i've been -- [ applause ] i've been challenged by so many people and i don't, frankly,
have time for total political correctness. and to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either and, honestly, megyn, if you don't like it i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you although i could probably not be based on the way you have treated me but i wouldn't do that. >> trump later came out swinging on twitter calling megyn kelly unprofessional and overrated and referred to her as a bimbo, something she certainly is not. that is absurd. one female voter said this. listen to this. >> i didn't like his comments about women and women make up half of the population and he's called them names like dogs and things and didn't really take that back and even made a negative comment to megyn kelly in the process. so i mean if he's not going to get the women's vote and women's issues are hot topic according to the democrats, even though
it's kind of an old subject. still, i don't think he respects women. >> joining me now to talk about it is gloria borger. also alan schroeder, author of "presidential debates." boy, was that television last night. right, guys? we were all glued from the beginning. gloria you just heard from that iowa woman. also look at these numbers from a quinnipiac poll. 37% of republican women say they would never support trump. what did he do to the critical women's vote last night? >> look he didn't help himself or the republican party with women's vote. remember barack obama won women voters by 11%. okay? there's a gender gap to begin with. if you look at the country as a whole, 62% of women have an unfavorable view of donald trump. what he did last night to megyn kelly, the question was perfectly legitimate for her to
ask and what he did to her last night did not help with women voters. you know people who love trump are going to love trump, women, male whatever. okay? but people who are getting a really first look at him and saying, is he presidential -- because that's what these debates are all about. he didn't help himself. and the voters that you just showed is a perfect example. women would take a look at that and say he insulted megyn kelly and they don't like it. why should they. >> alan he's used those words to describe men. he referred to a pollster as a low-class slob and also quote, a clown on twitter. this is after luntz said trump was the loser. is this trump being trump or is
this going to have a detrimental effect on him? >> i think it's more than trump being trump. one of the things you can do in a debate is dispel a negative view about you. there were already stories floating out there. and so he had a chance to really overcome that or do something to ameliorate that but instead made it worse and not only do women make up half of the population they vote in greater numbers than men. so it didn't make any sense as a tactic. >> alan isn't that the tactic that has been working for him thus far, to never back down? >> never back down except there's a point of diminishing returns. there has always been this thought that if he kept doing that he was going to say something that really crossed the line and maybe it didn't cross the line for everybody but certainly for a lot of people. and for being the first time that he's in a debate setting
and it's a chance for him to look like a president, as gloria said for him not to do that just was nuts. >> gloria you just wrote a fascinating column today on cnn.com about this. "after 2012 republicans decided to hold seminars for gop candidates on how to talk about women. guess they left trump off the list." talk about the bigger impact of this on the party. >> you know look this is a party in search of the presidency. and they need two things. hispanic voters and women. they are up against hillary clinton. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know if she becomes the nominee, women are going to vote for her. a lot of women will say, yes, we want a woman president. so you have to go and tell them that you are on their side. so you had jeb bush misspeaking
as he later apologized and saying for example, i don't think we need to spend $500,000 on women's health. what he really wanted to say was he wanted to defund planned parenthood. it didn't quite come out that way. you have a party that had senate candidate todd aiken in the last midterm election talking about so-called legitimate rape. you have a party that is struggling to figure out a way to talk to minorities and to women. >> there was one woman on the stage last night. not the 9:00 but the earlier debate. carly fiorina. a lot of people sat up and reacted to her on stage. and she's also talked about being a woman and giving her a unique advantage in running against hillary clinton. what was your takeaway from carly fiorina last night? >> i thought she was the best of that lot but i think she's being a little overpraised today.
she didn't have much competition on that stage. without donald trump there, she had an opportunity that others did not. how would she have played into that dine nam nick? and next time it may. >> that's what was interesting. she wasn't on the stage. not one of those candidates got into that and said you know i think that's inappropriate language. they have the excuse of the rules but rand paul managed to mix it up a little bit on other issues. i guarantee you, if carly fiorina had been on that stage, she might have defended megyn kelly. >> we will see. september 16th the next republican debate right here on cnn. we'll see what happens then. thank you both, gloria borger alan schroeder. also tonight, our very own don lemon sitting down with donald trump. he has a host of great questions for him. you're going to want to see the
k two weeks ago on an unclassified e-mail server used by 4,000 employees at the pentagon who work for the joint chiefs of staff. the server is still down and there's a lot of talk about who could have carried this out. i want to talk about it more and the significance of it with a former white house cybersecurity director now a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. the u.s. military describes this as a very sophisticated, a stealth spear fishing hack. why is this different this time why it shows more precise capability from the hackers. >> what we saw in this specific incident was an incredibly sophisticated set of tools that had never been seen before. tools that allowed the attacker to get into the network, to find the information they want and to extract it in a very very short
amount of time. what we've seen is the in networks for three quarters of the year. they were able to get in get the information they wanted and get out in a very, very short amount of time. i'm told days. >> wow. a senior defense official told cnn exactly what you just said that this hack exposes sort of a new vulnerability from what they've ever seen in the past. you are highly confident this is russia. we don't know for sure yet. but that's what you are leaning towards. i wonder if you could take us into what retaliation looks like for something like this. >> for something like this i think retaliation is probably unlikely. this is the kind -- >> why? >> it's what people might call tit for tat spying in. this is what country adversaries like russia and the united states did to each other in the cold war and now it's taking place over the electronic networks. it's not the kind of thing that crosses the red lines that the
president has laid out on cybersecurity. it's not economic espionage, it's not stealing secrets from corporate, not doing any of the things that he's laid out as requiring a response. >> but what it does show is that new capability and vulnerability. so aren't you just waiting for that to happen for that to hit the line for what it called for or spark retaliation? >> if the russians are behind it what would be the response if they used it against a target like critical infrastructure if they used it to access systems, take down a power grid, disrupt communications to mess with our financial markets. they use the capability for that and, yeah it certainly crossed that line. in this case i think the response is to take a hard look at how d.o.d. markets are protected and they are some of the best protected markets in
the world but in this case they were hacked and exploited. >> take us behind the scenes of who comes in then. you're saying don't focus on retaliation. the focus should be on our vulnerabilities and where the weakness was or is frankly. who do you bring in to solve that? >> what they have done is they have shut down this network for ten days and that means they are going to have to rely on other networks and their capabilities which were not touched by this attack and then they are going to figure out how this happened and once they figure out how it happened they will share that information with the rest of the department of defense and the rest of the government and hopefully with the rest of our partners in the private sector. so that they can prevent this kind of attack from happening again. there is i think, good news here. the fact that this was caught. i think that we're going to see a lot more of these incidents being caught and making news whereas in the pass we might not have known that something this
sophisticated was taking place. >> that's a good point. robert thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up last night's gop debate the most watched in primary history. i'll have the highlights for you ahead. what the candidate said and big winners and losers of the evening. that's straight ahead. coming up as well here on the program, a jewelry heist at a formula 1 race car driver. they may have used sleeping gas during the brazen burglary. that's next. i was getting all these leaves and i was going back generation after generation. you start to see documents and you see signatures of people that you've never met. i mean, you don't know these people, but you feel like you do. you get connected to them. i wish that i could get into a time machine and go back 100 years, 200 years and just meet these people. being on ancestry just made me feel like i belonged somewhere. discover your story. start searching for free now at ancestry.com.
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up. fred pleitgen reports. >> reporter: it must have been a shock to formula 1 driver to jenson button and his wife and some friends when they woke up in the villa that they were in that it had been burglarized overnight. what is worse than the fact that it happened at all is the way it possibly happened. one of the top race drivers in the world, robbed when he was most vulnerable. jenson button was asleep in a rented villa in france. his wife jessica and some friends also in the house. jenson jessica and friends were on holiday when on monday evening, two men broke into the property while they all slept and stole a number of items of jewelry, including, most upsettingly, jessica's engagement ring button's spokesman said. the ring alone is allegedly worth hundreds and thousands of dollars. in total, almost $500,000 worth of jewelry may have been stolen. even more disturbing button
believes the burglars may have used gas to knock him and his guests out according to his spokesman. they were on the french riviera and it's frequented by the rich and famous and break-ins happen quite regularly. >> there have been a number of reported incidents where gas has been used by intruders, burglars trying to obtain access to properties to burglarize. >> reporter: in 2006 burglars pumped sleeping gas into the home of a french soccer star before breaking in. but some are skeptical. >> anesthetic agents would need to be produced in enormous quantities and that would be very difficult the delivery
devises that we use in an operating theater would not fit the bill for this purpose. >> reporter: whether or not gas was used button says he and his wife and friends didn't notice the break-in as it was going on and that all of them are shaken by the events. poppy, we have to keep in mind that burglaries in that area are something that do happen again and again. it's something that we've heard from the police. however, it's never really been substantiated that gas was really used. poppy? >> fred pleitgen thank you very much. 3:00 eastern, i'm poppy harlow in today for brooke baldwin. donald trump steals the show last night at the presidential gop primary debate. front and sen terks thecenter donald trump. 24 million of you tuned in for a
record-setting primetime showdown and a showdown it was, right from the very first second. while another seven took the stage in an earlier debate most of the hopefuls generated momentary buzz. only one, though set off a firestorm simply by raising his hand. >> is there anyone on stage -- and can i see hands -- who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? mr. trump? >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs dogs slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no it wasn't. >> i'm going to have to earn this. maybe the barrier, the bar is even higher for me. that's fine. >> i don't know. i didn't get a phone call from
bill clinton before i jumped in the race. did any of you get a phone call from bill clinton. i didn't. maybe it's because i hadn't given money to the foundation or donated to his wife's senate campaign. >> how is hillary clinton going to lecture me from living paycheck to paycheck? >> i said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. >> it hillary is the candidate, which i doubt, that would be a dream come true. >> when you're sitting in a subcommittee blowing hot air, you can say things like that. >> i don't trust president obama with our regard records. if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead. >> and you know senator paul senator paul you know the the hugs that i remember are the hugs that i gave to the families that lost their people on september 11th. >> joining me again on the program, tim pawlenty former governor of my home state, minnesota. thank you for being with me sir. >> good to be with you, poppy.
>> who comes out on top for last night's debate? >> people who had really crisp performances and took a step forward include marco rubio, john kasich chris christie did well. i think donald trump took a step back. you can't be mean you can be entertaining but you can't be mean and his attack on megyn kelly not responding well to women set him back. also he didn't do his homework. he can only talk about china and mexico for so long or people will start to drift away from a substance standpoint. >> we asked how he was preparing for the debate. he said, i don't debate. i create jobs. it's interesting to point that out. you said on the program on this show yesterday, you said -- you posed the question sort of on dealing with trump, how do you wrestle a tornado? how would you have wrestled trump last night? >> i think the questions that were posed to him, are you willing to support the eventual nominee and the republican party and their nominee and not run as
independent, that was a step back for him. the response to megyn was a step back. >> but as a fellow candidate, how would you have taken him on? >> you can do one of two things. if you wrestle a tornado, you either let it pass and hope it doesn't hit you or with donald trump, there is value in taking him on but that can boomerang. they chose for the to do that. >> do you think somebody should have taken him on directly on his response to megyn kelly, on some of the comments on women? >> well i think he hurt himself. i'm not sure somebody had to take him on further but i think he really hurt himself by not being prepared substantively. number two, if he made those comments about women, they are terrible comments and one way to handle that after the rosie o'donnell funny line at least the crowd thought it was funny, to apologize or say that was inappropriate.
that would have been a better way to handle it. it's not fatal to his campaign but people will have to take a step back. >> and he didn't walk away from those comments or say i didn't say that or apologize for them. what does that do to the party? the women's vote is so critical. what does that do to the party? >> he's been able to almost rise above all of the controversies in the past and nothing seems to hurt him. i think it's going to accumulate. he would be well served to stay authentic and bold but go back and study up get more broad and deep on more issues. and then for things he has said that are really offensive and out of line he should acknowledge them and say he shouldn't have said them. he would be getterbetter served if he had approached it that way. >> you said carly fiorina, she may have been the overall winner. why? >> well she's terrific.
she really shined through. she deserves a place on that main stage even if they have to stack them vertically. but she deserves to be on that main stage. she did fantastic, was sharp, informed knowledgeable aggressive bold. but doing it all under control. i think she really deserves a shot on the main stage next time. >> here's the thing. when you look at carly fiorina, in terms of experience she's got the experience like trump of running businesses right? she was a former ceo of hewlett-packard. at the same time a lot of public criticism of her role. she oversaw 30,000 layoffs in the company and trump, his company has brought 4 bankruptcies. that is something she's going to have to face has faced and is an uphill battle for her, don't you think? >> all of these candidates have some baggage or limitations. nobody is a perfect candidate. you've outlined some things
that -- by the way, she's got a compelling life story starting as a secretary or an si cystassistant working her way up. she had tough times at hewlett-packard. i think she could explain that and do quite well as a candidate. they all got some baggage. >> i want to talk about jeb bush's performance. no big missteps but a lot of people are saying he didn't wow us or present himself as a candidate that yes, i have this and i can carry it all the way to the end. even though he's raised the most money and he has a famous name. >> i think he treaded water. i don't think i advanced or hurt his cause. i think his strategy is to trip the race in a way that favors him. if you're a front-runner and viewed as one of the most
serious candidaes, you've got to have momentum and he had a tough couple of weeks and frankly treaded water in terms of not advancing and not regress regressing. >> what does he have to do? >> yeah i think for jeb bush and scott, they did okay. they did good. they are going to have to find another gear. i think the people who did particularly well were marco rubio, john kasich had a solid performance. i think chris christie had a decent performance. the rest are going to be looked at do i see them in the oval office as a commander in chief? you see that with jeb bush and scott walker and carly fiorina. beyond that it's an open question. >> governor pawlenty thank you very much. >> thank you. the next republican debate is right here on cnn wednesday evening on september 16th. it looks like donald trump
does not want the debate to end. right now twitter is full of a lot of things that he's said in the wake of the debate tweeting in the middle of the night about some of the moderators and more. at 4:00 a.m. this tweet went out. "i really enjoyed the debate tonight even though the fox news trio especially megyn kelly, was not really good or professional." let's talk about it the brian stelter, host of cnn's "reliable sources." 24 million people tuned in. what do those numbers tell us? >> i've never seen anything like this. >> wow. >> these are eye-popping numbers, poppy. for comparison sequester, let's go to 2011. also on a thursday night. 3 million viewers. the biggest primary debate of 2012 8 million viewers. big tv shows, like "the walking dead," big comedies might be able to get 15 viewers.
one of the biggest tv events last night. >> thanks to donald trump. here's the thing, in an odd way, does he actually help the party by bringing more viewers to hear from him? i'm talking about somebody like a john kasich for example, or carly fiorina who wasn't even in the same debate but more people were into politics because of donald trump. >> i was pointing out that if more people watched the debate than voted in the gop primaries in 2012. >> wow. >> to your point, maybe these debates will create more interest in the entire process. that will be a positive attitude towards the republican party. here's the negative or downside for some of the candidates. now the gap between the happy hour and the top tier is even higher. if you think about how many people saw christie kasich some -- some of the folks barely made it on to the stage.
that's a huge advantage for people like rick perry. >> so donald trump clearly skipped being on fox this morning, right? and when you look at what he's said about fox news, he says basically they had it out for him. >> very unusual behavior for a candidate. one of the rules as a candidate, people say you do not attack the moderators you do not go after them. the reviews for the moderators have been very positive. including from journalist who is rarely say nice things about fox saying that bret baier and megyn kelly and chris wallace. some think that his competitors got an easy pass. if you're a front-runner in the republican party, you're going to be asked tough questions. i thought the moderators did an impressive job. that's sflit out there between
media and trump supporters and it's going to be an issue. trump loves taking a whack at the press and now at fox news and we'll see how fox responds. >> the numbers are just incredible. >> they are. the debate is now the biggest -- this debate cycle is now the biggest show of the fall. >> and you're going to talk about it on your show. >> on sunday. >> sunday morning. brian, thank you very much. donald trump, again, live tonight on cnn with don lemon, a special hour at 9:00 eastern time. you will not want to miss that. next a top senate democrat comes out against the iran deal after president obama's hard push. coming up, cnn's exclusive interview on the nuclear deal and what he says about those who oppose it. also the jury in the james holmes' trial deciding whether to put him to death. i'll speak with parents who lost
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a big blow to the white house push to sell the iran nuclear deal to chuck schumer. he says he will not only not support the deal he will fight it when it comes up for congressional vote next month. the white house press secretary josh earnest seen a short time ago. his opposition is disappointing but not altogether surprising. the president made no apologies for his comments when he sat down for an exclusive interview
with our very own fareed zakaria. take a listen. >> in your speech at american university you made a comparison. you said that iran's hard liners were making common cause with republicans. it's come under a lot of criticism. mitch mcconnell says even democrats who oppose the deal should be insulted. >> what i said is absolutely true factually. the truth of the matter is inside of iran the people most and opposed to the deal are the revolutionary guard, the quds force, hard liners opposed to any cooperation with the international community. the reason that mitch mcconnell and the rest of the folks in his caucus who oppose this jumped out and opposed it before they even read it before it was even posted is reflective of an ideological commitment not to get a deal done. >> you don't think -- >> and in that sense, they do have a lot in common with hard
liners who are much more satisfied with the status quo. >> fareed zakaria joining me now. do you believe this is the president more defiant than you've seen him? >> he was -- defiant -- dare i put it he was very happy and willing and eager to engage on the subject. he feels that he has the facts, the arguments, he's willing to go point by point and he i think, feels very strongly that this is the best course for the united states for israel for the peace of the world. so he really wasn't willing to give -- >> at all. >> yeah. >> you spoke to him about benjamin netanyahu and asked him, you know have you ever seen something like this from a foreign leader inserting themselves into a debate in this country? netanyahu coming here and addressing a joint session. what did the president tell you on that front? >> he was careful. i said to him, have you ever seen a head of government before
interject themselves into an american debate? and he said well i'm going to let you ask prime minister netanyahu all of these questions and then he paused and said but in my recollection it's never happened. so he clearly feels it is odd. i don't know if he would consider it inappropriate but certainly consider it is unusual. and then he went on to reiterate why he thought this deal was very good for israel. and there are, you know generals in israel who say the same thing. of course they get drowned out because prime minister netanyahu has the big mike. >> does he believe that he can change prime minister netanyahu's mind? >> no. i think he could -- he hopes he could persuade other israelis and leaders over time. >> right. >> reading into it. i don't think he thinks he can do anything to change prime minister netanyahu's mind.
they have very tough relations, i would say. it's both personal but it's also substantive. they substantively look at the world very differently. >> yeah. chuck schumer coming out with a very thoughtful response even if you don't agree with it or if you agree with it saying he comments the president on all of the hard work of the deal but lays out point by point why he opposes it and while he would work against it when it comes up for a congressional vote. because i believe iron will not change and achieve it is dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and nonnuclear power. politically, does a powerful democrat second in line to lead his party, does him coming up with this opposition perhaps give those other democrats on the fence the push they may need to come out and oppose it? >> you know for senators
there's an odd asimymmetry. for schumer, imagine his situation. if he supports the deal the president of the united states calls him and says thank you and that's it. but he's going to have enraged a very powerful set of constituents people who have been lobbying taking out ads, for whom he raises funds. could end up with a primary opponent. for him, the costs are very asymmetrical. and i think other people will face that dilemma. but cory booker faces the same dilemma. i think what the president homes is that people will understand look if the issue is eliminating sanctions, the sanctions were put in place by the rest of the world to bring iran to the table to get a deal done which the rest of the world thinks is great. they have all unanimously supported. those sanctions are going away anyway. >> right. >> that's the part people don't
understand. very interesting briefing took place. foreign policy reported on this by the ambassadors of the other countries negotiating with senators. this is the chinese ambassador russia ambassador telling the senators look the sanctions are going to go away because we put these sanctions in place to get this deal. >> right. >> we're comfortable with this deal. if you guys don't go along, the sanctions regime is going to erode anyway. >> give us a tease to why we should tune in to your exclusive interview "fareed zakaria gps" sunday morning. >> well one of the things people wonder about is can you trust the iranians. >> yes. >> and i said to him, can you trust a man ayatollah khamenei who on his twitter account posts the likeness of you with a gun pointed at his head. you want to make a deal with this guy? >> don't tell you what he said. >> he had a good response.
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reporter. joining me outside of the courthouse her parents. thank you both for being here. >> thank you for having us poppy. >> sandy, for those who did not see what you said in the courtroom this week tell us what you said what was most important for you to convey. >> you know when you're up on the stand, you don't remember what you say. george is such a good prosecutor that i told him, i said i'm a pretty good dancer. if you lead i'll follow. so he just led me into talking about my daughter and reliving some of the special memories. i do remember talking about christmas and how we had always given the kids ornaments for each year of their lives and i was really glad that that year i went ahead and put up a tree because i wasn't going to and she begged me to please you put
up the tree. after christmas i took the ornaments down and for some reason i separated them if two separate boxes, one for my son and one for jesse. and so who knew that she would never get them. but i do remember talking about that and that's one of the things that has changed so much in our lives that we don't celebrate christmases, we don't celebrate thanksgiving you know we really don't have the kind of future that other families have at this point in our life. >> lonnie today in the deliberations, the jury asked to watch again a 45-minute video of the crime scene and to you, you've told me before look this decision of whether or not the gunman gets life in prison or the death sentence is not significant. tell me why that is and also what you remember most about jessica at this point. >> well let me start with
jessica. what i remember most about jessica is our immediate connection. i have a picture of her asleep on my lap when she was 6 years old. i carry that picture on my phone all the time. >> i remember that picture. >> so it's very dear to me. sandy took it black and white, and it's black and white, about how we felt about each other. she was so comfortable with me that she could fall asleep in my lap at that age and she had only known me for maybe a few months and the last picture i have of her is when she was saying good-bye to me as she was leaving for denver and we were embraced in a very warm loving embrace. and i have that picture. as far as what happens to the person that killed her, it's not going to make a lot of difference in our lives because he's dead to us already. we've hopefully seen the last of him. that's not going to be the case if he gets the death penalty. he'll be in appeals until the time we die and i'm sure that
we'll never, ever see the sentence carried out if he gets death. if he gets life in i amprison we may see less of him. to us we'll try to live our lives with him out of it as much as possible. >> sandy, to you, what do you want to see after this? once the verdict is handed down in terms of the penalty, i know that for you and lonnie you've told me it will finally be a chance for you to try to move forward with your life always with jessica in your mind. what change could happen that would honor jessica's life the most? >> we have started jesse's message. i believe you and i talked about that another time. but jesse's message will help us to focus on working with other victims and survivors, telling our journey, the story of our journey and the things we didn't know in this process and helping other victims and survivors to
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earlier in the evening taking on her opponents, both democrat and republican. here's what she said moments ago about hillary clinton. >> one of my very first speeches was at cpac. i know many of you were there. i asked this question of hillary clinton. mrs. clinton, flying is an activity not an accomplishment. please name an pleshment. and you know we don't have an answer yet. we don't have an answer yet. >> joining me to discuss is abby huntsman daughter of 2012 republican presidential candidate john huntsman. you were very impressed with carly fiorina? >> i sat down with her a month ago and walked away thinking this is someone who is going to have a lasting impact on this election and someone that the republican party would be smart to take a serious look at. she's got a business record but
as we saw, she's articulate she's compassionate and cares deeply what she's talking about. and if you remember at this point four years ago michele bachmann was at the center of that debate stage. she won the iowa straw poll. this is a marathon. this is not a sprint. what she told me carly fiorina said i don't want to be a shooting star. i want a slow and steady rise. i want to continue to earn the respect of the voters and that's exactly what i think she's doing. >> i think we saw that from -- you saw marco rubio sort of coming front and center again right after a bit of a lull. john kasich getting a lot of applause. carly fiorina. here's what she's going to have to battle on the business front. her record at hewlett-packard. she was absent from the company in a very public way. she oversaw 30,000 layoffs. a while ago i sat down with meg whitman who is overseeing 55,000 layoffs. i asked her about carly fiorina as a candidate. listen. >> she's come under a lot of
criticism because of the 30,000 layoffs that she oversaw at hp. you've overseen more than that. is that criticism warranted in a run for the white house? >> listen what i learned in politics everything is fair game. when you run, they can ask you any question on any subject. i would argue that when carly made those reductions -- i wasn't here but i would say she's trying to make the company more competitive, which is what i'm trying to do. >> so she's saying yes, fair game but she was doing what she had to do. >> right. >> trump's bankruptcies were honed in on last night. >> they were. >> is this a big challenge for carly fiorina? >> and i thought of anyone on the debate stage trump was the least impressive. you would think that he would prepare for that question about bankruptcy. he was out of his element and wasn't quite sure how to handle that. whenever you ask carly fiorina about her record, she says in that role you do have to make difficult decisions.
you have to fire people at times and you don't become the ceo of a company the size of hp without being impressive and i think that's what we saw with carly fiorina. i wished we had a woman on the main debate stage. they talked about women issues or when megyn kelly asked donald trump about calling women pigs. it would have been nice if she could have said that's never appropriate. >> what about the men, they should have said something. >> exactly. >> you call women you don't like fat pigs slobs, disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. i've been challenged by so many people and i don't, frankly,
have time for total political correctness. and to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either. and honestly megyn, if you don't like it i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you although i could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me but i wouldn't do that. >> he then attacked her on twitter. unbelievable. >> there is no one like trump. when my dad was running i didn't think we'd see this many people running, let alone donald trump. i think this could be the beginning of the end for donald trump. >> you do? >> because of the opening. when she asked all of the candidates up there, can you pledge that you will not support the republican party or run as a third-party candidate, he couldn't do that. i think that is a clear message to the folks -- >> we heard loud boos. >> yes. you're not committed to us why should we be committed to you? and i would be surprised if they let him on the next debate stage given what he said.
if he runs as a third-party candidate, what does that mean? the republicans lose. >> the next debate here on cnn, september 16th. i want to bring up your dad and talk about him running. some say he lost because he ran moderate on stage. what lessons can be applied here. jeb bush getting criticism for not wowing people. >> well you know the person that reminds me the most of my dad is probably john kasich. he has a similar team around him that were helping my dad out. a similar strategy as well in trying to win new hampshire. i do think the party might have shifted a little bit in the past four years. you heard kasich talk about gay marriage last night, for example, and a very passionate and compassionate way. that people can think differently but that doesn't mean that you can't love them and respect them. you need someone like that to win a general election. so kasich would be the most similar to my dad. the question is can he make it through the primary. >> excite the party.
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on the up side i think you can sigh they're very interested in hearing more from dr. ben carson as well as marco rubio, and to a lesser extent governor john kasich of ohio. on the negative side a very, very strong reaction to the beginning of the debate where donald trump said he would not foreswear a third party run. and women in the room reagented viscerally where trump essentially talked about women and the way he's described them on social media. listen. >> i didn't like his comments about women, and women make up half of the population and he's called them names like dogs. he didn't really even take that back. he even made a negative comment to megan kelly in the process. so i mean if he's not going to get the women's votes and women's issues are a hot topic
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today's cnn hero found passion when she was searching for a lost dog. >> we started doing rescues, when sloths are in trouble, all telephone calls come to us. my biggest rescue out there was a plot of land that was supposed to be cleared. we rescued in total 200 animals, mostly sloths. there were sloths all over in my living room in cages. i was sloth-i filled. we still have a lot. he came in with his nails cut. that's why he has to stay with us. there's a lot of work but wherever i go in my house, i may see a sloth. what does it do all day?
it sleeps it grooms, it eats. sleeps at bit more. it's ridiculous the way he's lying. it's my life with a sloth. the best part of the rescue is when we release the animal. sloths are not pets. wild animals belong in the wild. >> you found yourself a safe spot, huh? my work is about the environment. we should value it and protect it. you can nominate a cnn hero at cnnheroes.com. after 16 very memorable years, jon stewart left "the daily show" anchor chair yesterday. his emotional send-off does not disappoint. >> got nothing else the nightly show got bumped. ♪ do you want to leave the show man ♪ >> you're like the brother i never have.
>> could you give me like 20 more minutes? >> of course, it's your 70 tl birthday. ♪ and it's wonderful to see you ♪ [ cheers and applause ] then of course there were some serious moments like this one between stewart and his longtime friend stephen colbert. >> we learned from you by example to do the show with intention, how to work can clarity, how to treat people with respect. you were infuriatingly good at your job, okay? we were lucky enough to work with you, and you can edit this out later. all of us lucky enough to work with you for 16 years are better at our jobs because we got to watch you do yours, and we are better people for having known you. you are a great artist and a good man.
i notice are not asking for this but on behalf of so many people whose lives you changed over the past 16 years, thank you. jon stewart has not said what is next for him, but "the daily show" will go on with new host trevor noah. have a great weekend. that's it for me. "the lead" with jake tapper is now. raise your hand if you pledge to not run as a third-party candidate. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." >> our country is in serious trouble. we don't win anymore. >> the politics lead. he came to cleveland. hello, cleveland! did he congerress konker conquer. and if jeb bush did enough to change his lukewarm standing in the polls. . the world lead. the senator