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common ground and keep the peace today? ryan young is live in ferguson with latest today. ryan. >> reporter: michaela, we over nigh, several arrests made as rocks and water bottles were thrown at police. protesters taking to the streets blocking traffic. authorities declared a state of emergency in ferguson. >> back up. >> reporter: protesters continued for a second night surrounding the anniversary of michael brown's death. armored police vehicles back on the street, police lining up in riot gear. around 2:00 a.m., a puzzling scene, a small group of heavily armed men walk into the crowd of protesters, calling themselves the oath keepers.
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>> everybody has the right to be safe. >> reporter: they say they are protecting them with wars, a site run by conspiracy they are "rick's list"s. they say police are leaving them alone. protesters shut down the interstate in st. louis. >> many of the people who have their own agenda and wish to escalate violence, they mix in with a lot of the peaceful protesters. it is difficult. particularly for law enforcement who has no idea who is who. >> reporter: four shootings sunday night. 18-year-old tyrone harris remains in critical condition after being shot by police late sunday. >> please get him some help. >> reporter: there's a lot of people talking about separating those protesters from those who come to do other things. a lot of people want to say, look, there needs to be a separation between people who show up to protest and others
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with other things. >> ryan, we will talk to you later in the morning. donald trump rolls into michigan. he's refusing to apologize to megyn kelly, saying he owes him an apology. she's firing back at trump and so is clinton. we have this covered from every angel. we start with athena jones in washington. >> it is not over yet. we know trump tweeted yesterday morning he had a conversation with chief roger ales. here is what trump said. roger ales called, he is a great guy and assures me trump will be treated fairly on fox news. he said the conversation was blunt and cordial.
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trump felt he was treated unfair. he says he said nothing wrong about his criticism of megyn kelly. listen to what she had to say on her show last night in response. >> apparently mr. trump thought the question i asked was unfair and felt i was attacking him. i felt he was asked a tough, but fair question. i certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism. i will continue doing my job without fear or favor. >> no apology from megyn kelly. bristol palin put her two cent sboos the debate. she blasted fox news and erik erickson saying they need to get off their high horse about
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sexism and decency and said they should be focused on winning, not winning accolades from "the new york times." this is all continuing. of course, we are going to hear from donald trump later on this show. >> right around 7:30. athena jones live in washington for us. thank you so much. hillary clinton calling trump's comments outrageous, but not limiting her attacks to the gop front-runner. all the republican candidates are a potential threat to women. for more on that, we have jeff here. good morning, jeff. >> good morning. hillary clinton came here to new hampshire to unveil her plan to make college more affordable. student loans and college affordability. like many things, her message was overtaken by donald trump. she did not miss a beat. she seized on this opportunity to not just criticize donald trump, but the entire republican
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field, trying to skip ahead to her own fight to brand it as out of touch and out of date. let's take a listen to what she said. >> and while what donald trump said ability megyn kelly said is ridiculous, what republicans are saying about all women is outrageous. they bragged about slashing women's health care funding. they say they would force women who have been raped to carry their rapist child. >> now, what she was talking about there specifically were some of the comments in last week's debate, particularly from marco rubio who said he supports or opposes o abortion, excuse me, in all cases including rape and incest. that's what secretary clinton was saying. my mentioning rubio's name, it highlighted a political point. they have their eye on the
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republican viewed as a rising star. several clinton advisers believe he could be a tough general election challenger. getting ahead of ourselves, they had a competitive primary. she was giving her speech on college affordability and student loans. bush did not hesitate in a tweet. he turned around the clinton campaign logo with the arrow. he pointed the arrow upwards and said taxes. she would pay for her $350 billion plan for a tax increase. a lot of campaigns are back and forth on twitter messages. that's one example in new hampshire. michaela? >> i'll take it. take progress where you find it. at least they are talking about what they are saying about policy things. it's not all about trump and what he said about a random person and random point. let's bring in nia henderson. it's good to have you here.
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let's take one look here at the diagnosis of what's going on with trump. we don't usually comment on other media, we all do our job and do the best we can and move on. however, this is unusual. most of the people on the gop debate stage had an affiliation with fox news, working for them, will work for them in the future. what do you think, nia, that we are seeing in megyn kelly taking what would be an opportunity for human rights and she goes quiet and trump having a conversation with roger alles and being on fox this morning. what do you think? >> she is taking the high road. this is good for her in some ways. in some ways, it's easy to take the high road when tangling with donald trump. he is taking the low road. surprisingly, in some ways, if you look at the debate, he
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didn't complain necessarily about megyn kelly. they sent out a press release, saying they thought he won the debate. then he started to go after her. now, you have this situation where he sort of, at least for a while, framing fox as the establishment. of course fox news typically, has been viewed by conservatives as sort of a brothern in the cause. so, it's very odd and there's all of these sort of back room conversations that are going on now with trump and alles. it's a media story, a celebrity story, a political story. it's a big mess. >> what do you have, jeff? >> look, i think megyn kelly is doing her job. this isn't about megyn kelly, it's become about her. she said let's get back to the
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news. i think she was doing what many of us would do. this is about how the candidates are answering questions, conducting themselves on the stage. fox news is different. it's a unique -- >> look at jeff trying to be polite. megyn doesn't do the same job as you do. they have a different format. she's much more of a, there's a commentary. for her to go quiet is curious. >> the moderators on the stage, no one can question or criticize their questions. i can't. i won't. i have been covering five presidential campaigns and they were the best questions. they were all in line, in my view. this is about the candidates and the campaign. every media has ownership. it's impossible to dissect it.
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megyn kelly wants to get back to the news. >> it often involves talking about the candidates. it's unusual for her not to do that. the whole thing is unusual. certainly, nobody is talking about the quality of the moderators. brett, chris, and megyn all did a fine job. this is the react to the job. rich lowry, writing for the new york post took a shot at trump this morning, saying he's going to get all this stuff done. he seems to wine when anything goes against him. do you see the base turning? >> who knows. it matter what the folks in new hampshire and south carolina. they can take trump's side and
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spouting his talking points saying megyn kelly was out to get him, fox news was out to get him. i think he's got pretty rock solid support and we'll have to see, the next polls will show whether or not it's taken a dip. megyn kelly is a beloved star in the circles. >> what about donald trump's case that it seemed slanted against him? they come out of the box with a question that they know would be embarrassing for donald. then the assertion, he wasn't asked about policy. they were baiting him about criticizing him for taking the bait. >> chris, i would say welcome to the major leagues. he's running for president of the united states. he's the front-runner. what did he expect? we know his planning memo said he would be asked this question. everyone knew that question was
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going to be asked. that is the thing that is hanging over him more than anything. will you pledge to run as a republican? not a surprise. i thought it was an inventive way of how they asked him, not singling him out. he has 11 minutes in the debate, more than twice as much as some other republican candidates on that stage. he actually was asked about economic policy. he could have pivoted to any policies. he didn't choose to. he hadn't prepared. >> he had more time. people were talking about him and the way the debate was structured. they were coming at him. >> he could have pivoted every single time. >> that's right. he could have answered what ever question he wanted. he didn't have to answer the question that was asked. that happens on television. >> do you think that there's a chance that he's going to come
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out and get rid of this third party stigma that's hanging over him? i guess, you know, you could take issue with the stigma. in the gop, that is how it's viewed. it would be almost, you know, there's no other way to look at it. do you think there's a chance he's going to change his position on that? >> leverage. that's the word he used. it keeps him in the conversation. this sort of threat, that's in his candidacy that he could go off on his own and run an independent candidacy. i don't know what good it would do him to stay in the limelight and stay a powerful figure in the field and put that aside and say he wouldn't run as an independent. >> spot on as always. always a pleasure. appreciate it. donald trump has big things hanging over his head. what is he going to do with the third party scenario that's going on?
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is it real or leverage. what does he want to say about that or what's going on with fox? does he believe he's a victim in the situation? they are all questions we'll get an answer to this morning. he's going to do his first interview. donald trump at 7:30 eastern. breaking news into cnn, a warplane crashed in an airfield in the bavaria area of germany. the pilot was able to eject safely. it is unclear if he suffered injuries. it was an f-16 jet. we are working to get more details. the faa just releasing startling 4-year-old report revealing air traffic controllers struggle with chronic fatigue. many call it extreme safety risk. many alleging they wanted this study to stay buried.
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renee marsh is joining us with more. >> good morning, ana, this is an alarming study. chronically fatigued air traffic controllers potentially putting flyers at risk. researchers surveyed 3200 controllers and monitored sleep patterns of 300. they recorded when they were sleeping. they kept a log of the time they slept and took tests to measure how alert they were during their shift. this is what the study found. 5.8 hours of sleep per night, an average of 3.2 hours of sleep before the midnight shift. 70% of controllers on the midnight shift caught themselves about to, quote, doze off, at work. 78% identified shift work as a cause of their fatigue. the study came after several incidents involving faa air traffic controllers falling asleep on the job like this one
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in 2011 where the pilot was forced to land a plane on his own without help from the tower. take a listen. >> 1900, the tower is apparently not manned. we have made a few phone calls. nobody is answering. two airplanes went in about ten-10 minutes. >> one in five controllers said they made some sort of operational error. faa was forced to release this after someone got a copy. the agency says they changed scheduling practices in 2012 to control fatigue. they say now controllers can declare if they are too tired to work. back to you. >> big issue. try to stay on it. news out of the white house. one of the staffers is out on bail after threatening her lovers life.
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she got into a fight with a capitol hill officer over another woman. she grabbed his gun, pointed it at him and fired a round. he was not hurt. she helps handle the president's relations with the house of representatives has been placed on administrative leave. there's a lot of personal. it's too serious to have fun with. you are going to hear in political circles she's one of the liaisons of dealing with the house. maybe there will be a commentary. this is very serious. gun pointed, round fired. >> yeah. >> luckily, the man is okay. >> house of cards or something. we are going to take a look at ferguson. more violence there. a year after the death of michael brown, more protests on tap today. will they be able to keep the peace is the question?
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police and protesters faced off for another night. one year after michael brown was killed, a state of emergency after several arrests on monday. one of those arrested includes our next guest, the co-chair of the ferguson commission and ceo of the deacon foundation joined by chris king, director of the st. louis american. thank you for getting up early. i know both of you are operating on little sleep. reverend, you and several activists were arrested. can you give us the circumstances surrounding your arrest? >> sure, yesterday morning, a group of us, some 100 of us, sorry a large group of people of faith, including clergy and deans, activists from throughout the community join together to call on the department of justice to do their job,
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bringing the full weight to bear on the department like the city of ferguson and those across the country where there are documents clear systems of bias that are not transformed, even over the course of the last year. there's much work to do to protect young, black and poor people throughout the country who still bear the indiscriminate way of police forces across the nation. yesterday, in our action, we came to the federal building here to call upon the attorney, the u.s. attorney and the attorney general to bring the weight of their offices to bear on behalf of the people. >> so, you were arrested along with several others. chris, i know the atmosphere has changed there in the last couple days. i also know it is a bit different from what it was a year ago. how much of a contrast do you see? >> well, when ever the protests, the street protests heat up
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again, we end up talking about the minutia of street protests, whether there's a brick thrown or a frozen water bottle. what we are looking at are systematic long term change to the way our communities are policed. in terms of what the streets are like now versus last week or last year, i think most of us are interested in what the policies are like and the people in place to enact and execute the policies. let's talk about the changes we have seen. it's interesting. the minutia does matter. we know it can set a tone and can invite other people into your community. we know that as well. one thing that is different this time around is st. louis county has taken over the policing in that community now. i wonder, to both of you gentlemen, does that feel like a step backwards or an indictment that they can't handle the affairs of that community? >> i would say this, the shooting the night before the
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county executive declared a state of emergency, i don't know what police command decision would have changed that. if they are going to come on the fringe of protest, what could the police commander have done differently? i don't know. i believe they felt like they had to do something, he hasn't done anything else. the chief can run a protest at this point and time. the way the county executive exerted himself and the way there was a mistake made, chief anderson didn't do anything wrong. two armed groups came up and started shooting at each other. what commander can stop that from happen sng. >> we know the work needs to continue in ferguson and cities across america to equalize the treatment people are receiving from police. one of the things i want to recognize is yesterday, pastor white joined us and talked about the fact there had been some
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movement, there had been some change starting to build momentum in ferguson. do you agree with that and do you think that this kind of unrest is going to stump that from happening? >> well, i agree with pastor white. he's doing wonderful work on the streets and the sanctuary. we are glad to stand with him. we have been pleased to be a part of the conversations that pushed significant court reform in the state of missouri. we have been pleased to be part of the conversation to stand-up for police training and a call for police accountability. oversight has been going on in our region. it's been a 30 year fight. i also say you are here talking to us and quite frankly, we came to be a commission. we came to have this sustained conversation about the challenges in our criminal justice system with policing over the course of the country
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because of moments like this, young people grieving, who call for a state of emergency a long time ago, quite frankly, called a state of emergency, circumstances by which those who are protesting in clayton yesterday, 63105 where there are life circumstances of people who live there are 18 years longer than 63106, ten miles away. it is a state of emergency. it requires more action. it's going to be a sustained, decade long, generations long movement for structural change across america. until we get that change done, there should be people of faith, like me, coming out of good conscience coming on our government to act. students who were walking to the library and joined the protest and got arrested and those 100 plus arrested on interstate 70 yesterday, still coming out to stand and say business as usual
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must be disrupted until the systems are shifted. we cannot continue to color within the lines unless the game is rid against those at the bottom, which are young, black, poor people across the nation. >> reverend wilson, passional statements from you. i appreciate when you join us here on "new day." thank you for joining us today. ana? >> all right. donald trump keeping his name in the headlines. it's a problem for the candidates who can't get noticed. we'll talk about it coming up. as expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep it all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberry apple scones smell about done. ahh, you're good.
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welcome back to "new day." more arrests in ferguson after protests since the michael brown shooting turned violent.
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demonstrators threw rocks and frozen water bottles at them. this follows an earlier demonstration outside a st. louis courthouse where almost 60 people were arrested. a state of emergency remains in effect in st. louis county. >> donald trump refusing to apologize after comments made to megyn kelly. kelly did not go at him on his show and called his campaign successful. trump got an assurance that fox will treat him fairly. >> colorado governor declared a state of emergency monday after a chemical leak turned out tor worse than thought. the e.p.a. saying 3 million gallons of sludge spilled into the river. that's three times more than earlier estimates. it happened last week when an
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e.p.a. clean up crew broke a debris dam inside a gold mine. a surge in violence rocking turkey as warplanes bombed more than a dozen targets in southeast turkey this morning. this, as the u.s. consulate in istanbul set to reopen after coming under fire yesterday. nick peyton walsh is tracking a latest. >> reporter: they are still warning american citizens to avoid large gatherings. they know those that attacked the consulate were obscure. two female gunmen, one injured and one arrested during that attack. at the same time, roughly, a police station was hit there in the capital. violence rocking this place that should be full of tourists right now, relaxed and calm. in the south, this morning, another soldier killed bringing the total to six in the last 24
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hours. a very complex fight here. at the same time, said it would go to the 17 air strikes mentioned earlier hitting targets around turkey earlier on today. the problem for the united states in all of this, the kurds the turkish are attacking are allies the u.s. is using to fight isis. other kurds, extraordinary complex fight as the violence escalates gets more challenging for the u.s. michaela? >> nick, thanks so much for that. we turn to business. big, big changes at google this morning. christine romans is here for cnn money. >> google shabing things up. it's separating the advertising business from the diverse moon
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humanities most important innovatio innovations, alphabet. when you put up the tree, you know what google has going on and whey they had to split up. thank you so much. donald trump dominating the polls and the rival finding it hard to get ♪ ♪ used in the race with a predicament. we'll discuss with the former governor. stay with us.
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i have decided not to respond. mr. trump is an interesting man who captured the attention of the electorate. that's why he's in front of the polls. mr. trump will not apologize and i will not apologize for doing good journalism. >> trump said he will not apologize, and you heard her say
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she is not apologizing. one thing the situation has done is put all the other gop candidates in the shadow. what is the gop to do? let's talk to tim pawlenty. now the ceo of financial services round table. governor, good to see you again. >> good to see you, chris. >> what do you do with trump? you can't ignore his base. his a big energy. the party has to make an assessment about whether or not he can be their guy. how do you see it? >> when dealing with a tornado of hurricane, you have to let it pass. i'm not sure there's a lot the party can do. there's a little bit of collateral upside for the candidates. the viewership was triple or qua quadruple. he sucked the oxygen out of the media room, for now, that's what it is going to be.
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this is trump's moment, goods or bad and the others have to wait for it to pass. >> you think it passes? >> i do. there's a rawness for bluntness and straight talk and there's also a line between that and appropriateness. you can be strong and mean, but can't go over that line. he thooz decide if he's going to be an entertainer of a president. >> thank you for clarifying for us. does it give you pause that so many people on that debate stage had some type of relationship with fox and trump doesn't like the questions, goes to the head of fox, gets assurances they will treat him fairly. megyn kelly takes the high road and he is back on fox news. if you were running in the race, would this seem troubling to you? >> if you have a candidate talking to a network about the
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scope and nature of the coverage and trying to manipulate that, that is concerning. i'm not sure that's what happened. the facts matter. if she has factual basis for that, it's a fair question. what is he complaining about? that was a fair question. you know, it would have been appropriate for the other candidates if they had said those things if they said that as well. >> people are raising the issue of temperance with donald trump. that, which makes him popular, may offend people. do you share that opinion? >> there's room in the race and leadership for strength, clarity, boldness, but it can't spill into something that is impulsive or irrational. if you put somebody in charge of the united states military and you have to make decisions about
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people's lives, you don't want somebody who loses it in that position. he has to demonstrate a better approach to be considered. >> mitch lowry, you know him, he works at the new york post. he says he likes to talk about himself in superlatives. he's the biggest winer, to paraphrase him. do you think that's a fair assessment? >> i don't think people want to see a baby as president. i'm not saying he's a baby, i'm saying the characters and quality of people running for president are going to get hit. if you come back and blame everybody, get defensive, wine and become a baby, it's not what people want to see. they are not going to put you in the oval office with those qualities. >> when looking at the field and how trump is having his way with it, do you feel like you wish you were in there? >> not during the tornado phase. i had my chance, didn't get the
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job done. there's a lot of great candidates in the field. people like marco rubio deserve a serious look. scott walker deserves a serious look. they have quality candidates, they are getting washed out at the moment. >> you said rubio and walker, are they your favorites? >> they have a lot of potential. bush brings strength to it as well. it's a big field and it's early, but they have stood out so far. >> thank you for the sober mind and analysis. >> thank you, chris. >> what do you think about the latest term in the trump training? tweet us using #cnn. as we have been telling you this morning, donald trump is supposed to come on "new day" at 7:30 to address what is going on with fox news, where the campaign is headed and he has this issue of whether or not he would consider a third party.
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new arrests overnight in ferguson. a fresh round of protests a year after michael brown was killed by darren wilson. so far, this year, an unarmed black man has been killed by police once every nine days. reporters at "the washington post" put together a comprehensive list of every police shooting incident in 2015. this is the first of its kind. there is no government or university tracking these numbers nationwide. "the washington post" did this on their own. joining us now to discuss, a co-writer, black and unarmed, keith alexander. thank you for being with us, i
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appreciate it. what an undertaking. how did you go about doing this. was it michael brown's shooting in ferguson? >> thank you for having us. yes, this has been a very magnitude of what we have taken on here. we look to michael brown and trayvon martin and supporters and researchers and various parts of the washington post saying we need to look at this and see what has happened in previous years. what we decided, we came together and said let's look at the numbers, see if there are trends and if the numbers are going up or down. the numbers weren't tracked before. what we decided, we decided to do our own inventory and look at the numbers and what is going on and decide to do it beginning of january 1 and going through december 31 this year. >> let's look at some of what you found. i want to put up a graphic to break it down here.
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24 unarmed black men were shot and killed. 585 people overall. that includes unarmed and armed people. 18 law enforcement during that time period shot and killed during the line of duty. were you surprised there weren't a greater number of unarmed black men killed especially when we covered those stories so prominently? >> that is a great question. this data base is so important. it dispelled myths and put a face on what's actually happening out there. again, 24 of the 60 deaths of unarmed people are of black men. that is an astounding number in itself. what's also interesting, ana, i'm sure you all know this. we looked at mental health. the number of people who die as a result of mental health challenges, family members calling police because their loved one was having a breakdown. the loved ones, all they had was
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a broom stick handle. police show up, not knowing how to deal with a person with mental illness and fatally shooting them. 150 deaths of mental health. >> i want to emphasize, the ratio of black men who were unarmed compared to the white men unarmed was significantly more when you look at the population overall. 40% of unarmed deaths were black men, seven times more than white men, black men were being killed, as you found out in your great research. dashcam, body cams, cell phone videos exposed this issue and made it more prominent, exposing the fallacies of police officers where we see police officers getting charged without the age of technology, do you think we
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would be having this conversation? >> it's a great question. i spoke to attorneys and family member who is are saying, look, if it weren't for ferguson, ferguson really put a magnifying glass, if you will, on police shooting and police involvement and what happened to individuals who are arrested. dashcams, body camera videos, this is an impartial witness. police officers, witnesses who happen to be there without video, video, an impartial witness. if it wasn't for video, there's been three officers charged in these fatal police shootings. without video, it will be more difficult. >> the issue of the racial injustices of law enforcement brutality have been exposed because of what happened in ferguson. let's bring it back around to where it began in terms of the national conversation and the movement.
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you know, people on capitol hill are talking about this. maybe that's a sign of progress. we heard from representative emanuel cleaver, a democrat from missouri. here is how he put it in terms. >> we are making progress. remember, ferguson, a year ago was in 1955. now, i think it's in about 1965. there are still problems there. >> all right, keith, i guess i want to get your assessment given the research you have done. how much progress do you think we have made on this issue and how ferguson handled the progress and change since this all began. >> i think with ferguson, years from now, one thing ferguson is really going to show is a symbol of people are now focusing on what happened when individuals are arrested. african-american men. the justice department is now looking at cases closer. police departments, internally,
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are looking at cases closer. in the past, when you had officers who testify and said look, i felt my life was threatened or this individual was threatened, we had to use lethal weapons to take up, to kill a person. now, with video, now, because of ferguson, the justice department looking into it and looking further into the cases, that's the biggest legacy of what happened, as a result of ferg southern. >> all right, we'll end it there. keith alexander with "the washington post," thank you for your time, great reporting. it's fascinating. a lot of news this morning. let's get to it. authorities declare a state of emergency in ferguson. as protesters continue for a second night. >> give us some room. back up. >> we can't afford to have this kind of violence.
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>> everybody has a right to be safe. >> there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her where ever. >> continue doing my job without fear or favor. >> she should be apologizing to me. >> i do not apologize for good journalism. >> i said come to my wedding, she came. >> i didn't know him that well. i thought it would be entertaining. announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. a year since the michael brown shooting. some of the demonstrators threw rocks and water bottles at police, leading to arrests overnight. >> the concern is which way the community will go in the days and nights ahead. a state of emergency has been
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declared for st. louis county. they are trying to get the resources in place. we have cnns ryan young with the latest from ferguson. how was it there, ryan, as how does it feel to you versus the last time we were together. >> excellent question. it is quiet right now. we actually saw several times last night where people were off the streets. all of a sudden, around 10:00, people started showing up. in the last half hour or so, they have updated the numbers. 23 people arrested overnight. overnight, several arrests made as rocks and frozen water bottles were thrown at police. protesters taking to the streets, blocking traffic. authorities earlier declared a state of emergency in ferguson. >> give us some room. back up. >> protesters continue for a second night surrounding the anniversary of michael brown's
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death. armored police vehicles on the streets. >> people that run toward danger instead of from it. >> around 2:00 a.m., a puzzling scene, heavily armed men walked into a group of protesters, calling themselves the oath keepers. >> they have a right to be safe and secure. >> they are protecting them. they say police are leaving them alone. earlier on monday, protesters shut down the interstate in st. louis. >> many of the people who have their own agendas, who do wish to escalate violence, they mix in with the peaceful protesters. it is difficult. particularly for law enforcement who has no idea oftentimes, who is who. >> reporter: tensions growing after four shootings. 18-year-old tyrone harris remains in critical condition after being shot by police.
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>> please get him some help! >> reporter: chris, i can remember the last time we were here, we talked about. this the two separate groups, one to protest and others for other reasons. >> they just won't change. ryan, thanks for staying on it. be safe. megyn kelly skipped the opportunity to fire back at donald trump. this happened hours after her boss cleared the air with trump. what is going on? cnn is covering the race to the white house like no other. let's start with athena jones live from washington. what do you have, my friend? >> let's get everyone up to speed. trump spoke to roger alles yesterday. we don't know what time they had the conversation but by late morning, trump tweeted, roger
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alles just called. he is a great guy and assured me trump will be treated fairly on fox news. his word is always good. it was blunt and cordial. trump blasted megyn kelly for unfair questioning in thursday night's debate. he said she owes him an apology rather than him apologizing to him even after saying blood coming out of her where ever. listen to what kelly said about that on her show. >> apparently mr. trump thought the question i asked was aun fair and felt i was attacking him. he was asked a tough, but fair question. i certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism. i will continue doing my job without fear or favor. >> no apology from megyn kelly. we will hear what trump says about that.
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>> hillary clinton hasn't said a lot about trump. now, she's taking off the gloves calling trump outrageous. she is not limiting the attack to trump. she says all women need to be wary of the entire republican party. more on that from jeff. >> hillary clinton seized an opportunity not to just lash out against trump's comments. she called them offensive and outrageous. she took the opportunity to paint with a broad brush, particularly on the debate on abortion. rubio's position is out of touch and out of date. republican voters, women voters should be on to this. opposed abortion on rape and incest. she highlighted him and painted all republicans as out of touch. this is a good moment for her to
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try to distinguish herself if she becomes a candidate. you have to step back for a second. she knows donald trump more than most republican candidates. he's given to their campaign. bill clinton and hillary clinton attended his wedding. she was asked yesterday why that was. take a listen. >> look, it's all entertainment. you know, i think he's having the time of his life. i didn't know him that well. i happened to be planning to be in florida. i thought it would be fun to be at his wedding because it's always entertaining. now that he's running for president, it's more troubling. >> a little more troubling, perhaps, but she seemed to be enjoying the politics by drawing distinctions. of course women are the majority of voters in all elections. democrats tried to wage the war on women. it worked in the 2012 election. that's what we saw yesterday.
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this is why, chris, republicans are worried about this. trump's comments as well as comments in the field will bring down the party. this internal republican food fight has some people smiling. that was hillary clinton yesterday. >> interesting way to term it inside republican food fight. we have become a cafeteria for that on twitter. all different flavors of the gop coming out to say how they feel about trump being handled or whether they should be at all. get online and give your comments. most of them directed to jeff. >> let's dig deeper into what's going on here. clinton, sanders and trump mixing it up. we have cnn political commentators on hand. margaret, he's got huge crowds coming in tens of thousands. his voice is resinating with a
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hungry and almost desperate part of his party. yes, people are not taking him seriously. who am i talking about? >> could be donald trump or bernie sanders. >> bernie sanders, thens of thousands are coming. he is saying what people want to hear. supporters are passionate. he is the donald trump of his party, not in a disruptive way, but speaking to those who don't feel they are being spoken to. >> they are two sides of a coin. the same populous instinct that is dissatisfied with the institutions and the economy and with our cultural institutions. they feel disenfranchised. he is not the establishment pick. he is the guy who is somebody that he can relate to. sanders has problems with the democratic coalition. he's got a black lives matters
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problem. he's getting stormed off the stage by the black lives matter crowd. he's got a base of support, but it's not hedging into hillary clinton's support. the main challenge, i think for hillary clinton is not bernie sanders, but keeping joe biden out of the race so that support stays around her. >> how are you going to do that with the superpac deep pockets? how are you going to keep biden out of the race? >> nobody can control the vice president. i said from the beginning, i never wanted a coronation of hillary. sanders is giving it to her. tens of thousands of people. i disagree slightly. i don't think it's the opposite side of the coin, here is why. what he's say sg galvanizing the right. people in the center of this country do not want a president that attacks mexicans, immigrants, women, attacks
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everybody. bernie sanders is not doing that. the things he's saying, talking income and equality, talking about the top 1%. that can translate to the middle of the country. he's more to the left than hillary. that is a useful debate within my party. he is not attacking her. she is not attacking him. it's an important difference. >> margaret, you were doing well to restrain yourself. what were the points you were scribbling down in. >> the only plan, they were on the opposite side of the doun there.'s no food fight or celebrity with sanders. that's the difference with trump. his ideas are not palettable to the center of american politics. they are not a tax the rich to feed the poor crowd. everybody understands tough have better economic policy fixes and fixes to government spending to get the economy going. the democratic socialist from
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vermont is not going to be the guy that is the center of american politics. >> i think that's right, but i see a lot of what bernie is talking about. i can't sell anything trump is saying. what he is doing is destructive. bernie is healthy for the democrats. >> donald trump, does he have a point? it's no secret the gop sees him as problematic. tim pawlenty was on. very sober minded. the guy is a tornado or a hurricane. he is going to pass. are they being unfair to trump when he has the big poll numbers? don't you think the gop is saying who are you to tell us who to like and not to like? that's part of the appeal. the des moines register attacked mr. trump, said he wasn't fit to run in the iowa caucuses. he must'ved up after that happened. he moved up after he attacked
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john mccain. he is likely to move up after attacking megyn kelly and fox news. there is an anger in the republican base. he has to tap into it. i said this last night and i'll say it again. he is the parrot in the movie, captain phillips, i am the captain now. look at me, i am the captain now. the navy s.e.a.l.s come to rescue tom hanks. he is driving his boat of yacht, i guess it is for mr. trump. >> do people keep trying to figure out what is going to take trump down. people are either going to stay with him or they are not. this intrigue with fox news, i mean we all watched the debate. i thought they did a hell of a job, all three of them. it benefited you.
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now, he gets in trouble with fox news, then talks to the head of fox news, then gets assurance they are dpoung to be fair to him. megyn kelly doesn't take a shot, takes the high road. is that concerning at all to you about the relationship between media and politics? >> megyn kelly did her job, asked a tough question and got a bad answer. there are a lot of folk who is watch fox news. they found themselves in an uncomfortable predickment. some of the viewers were defensive of her. it's great for kelly and trump. all their name, their visibility, everything has gone up. frankly, nobody is skaited from it except the republican party and the narrative of how they are on women.
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if you ask, not a single candidate made a case of why policies are better for women. not a single candidate made a case for why they are better for the environment. some issues weren't talked about in the debate that i think the republican party needs to address. hillary clinton came out with a plan for college tuition. it's a big issue. republicans need an answer to that. >> we are going get all those questions to donald trump this morning. that's a beautiful thing about him coming on the show. thank you very much. as margaret is suggesting, there's a lot of policy to be discussed. the man on your screen is coming on "new day" to be tested. we'll ask him about the recent drama and what are his ideas and solutions for you. >> i feel like you may have a few questions for him. >> he may have questions for me. >> chuck schumer, poised to be the next leader in the senate
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speaking about why he's rejecting the nuclear deal with iran. he says it's flawed. machel kaczynski is live where the first family is vacationing. >> to hear him speak underscores how enormously important this is and how disputed. three reasons why he opposes the deal. he says inspections aren't 24/7 access. it could take three weeks to get in. iran would be a threshold nuclear state and lifting sanctions gives iran more money to be more threatening. listen. >> fund hezbollah and the houthis in yemen. they will be able to use it to build an icbm, aimed at the united states since they have
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enough missiles to reach israel and europe. >> reporter: so, schumer is now one of the several congressmen who said they don't think that theal ternive to this is eventual lure. why not go back and get a better deal? the white house could not see it more differently. negotiators got the best possible deal. in ten to 15 years, if they try to break out and build a bomb, that breakout time would be longer than now and the u.s. would know about it and respond. ana? >> all right, machel kaczynski, traveling with the president. thanks to you. rick perry's cam olympian could be in trouble. he stopped waying his south carolina staff. they say for now, everyone's agreed to work in a volunteer capacity. he remains committed in iowa,
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throwing battles at officers. it was calmer when gunfire rang out. leading to a state of emergency. clearly, an emergency that remains on edge, a fragile state. with us, jeff from the st. louis police officers association and a former missouri state representative. jeff, good to have you with us today. >> good to be back. >> organizers have been called for a day of disobedience. what do you think about the marches for change in ferguson? not the protests at night, the kind of action that pops off, but earlier in the day activity? >> well, it is hard to separate the two things. it's worth talking about the differences. >> why is it difficult to separate the two things? >> the transition is so seamless from folks out there during the
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day and daylight hours are generally calm, then night falls and things get dicey quickly and you just don't see it coming. >> they are different people. you have the clergy and activists and cornel west and those people, those community leaders and faith leaders during the day. >> right. yeah. if they were able to help keep things calm during the evening, that would be a wonderful thing. a lot of them have tried, without much success. but, you know, they have a right to assemble and to be heard. some of them are misguided in what they are saying. some have continued to cling to this hands up don't shoot myth, but the broader conversation is one we need to have and the bad stuff that happens at night is a distraction. >> it's interesting. i understand your perspective. i think it is also frustrating for people on the ground saying
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this has to stop. the fact is, i think most agree that there's something -- >> what is this? >> there is a situation in ferguson that people are trying to address. they want to make sure that what the justice department found of the pattern and practice of discrimination against african-americans within ferguson pd and the city municipal court, you are going to argue with the justice department? >> yeah, absolutely. they conjured up this distraction. it started with the lie of hands up, don't shoot. we know michael brown tried to kill darren wilson. he defended himself and was justified in doing so. they couldn't let it go. they weren't happy to say, hey, the myth has been debunked, let's move on and have a conversation about police in america. instead, they pivoted to this really unwarranted attack on what was happening in ferguson
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to keep the concentration on criticizing law enforcement. we missed 366 days, we missed one opportunity or another to talk about the problem that is underlie the violence we have seen between police and young black men. that is the dreadful, dreadful social economic conditions these kids live in. the crime they are immersed in, the violence, the failing school districts. that's the conversation we ought to be having. >> it is a conversation they want to have in this community. but, i think you are discounting the thousands of people that are saying the system is broken. if i look at this picture behind me, an image of people there, you have clergy, people from the community of elders, young people alike. think about all the people supporting the black lives matter, hands up, don't shoot. you are calling all those people misguided, jeff? >> no, i'm just saying what we need to have is a conversation
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about what really gets -- what under lies this confrontation. >> how do we do it? >> clinging to the myth and emboldening kids to believe they have some right to attack police officers, to get in physical confrontations, to turn deadly violence. we have had eight instances where law enforcement in st. louis city and st. louis county alone have taken the lives of a young black man since michael brown. in all those cases, the person involved turned deadly violence on the police. there's an emboldening, almost a mart martyrdom that's come out. >> i'm going to take issue with that martyrdom. a lot of people are going to take issue with that. the fact is, the police, as an institution are not able to deal
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with the consequences of discrimination. the only teal at their disposal is force, which often makes matters worse. let's talk about the other alternatives and the police thag needs to happen. the kind of training that can happen in our police departments. tough recognize, there are a large group of people who feel as though their rights are being infringed upon. if, let's practice with the premise, how do we then heal and use different practices in our police? >> first of all, we have to have an honest conversation. if we continue to base this whole thing on a lie, then we are not going to make progress and we haven't made progress the last year. i was on an interview with a different network with the president of the st. louis naacp and we have disagreed for the last year and i started talking on that interview as i am today, that we need to address these
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social economic issues and get guns off the street. for god's sakes, these kids having guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. much to my surprise and pleasure, she started singing from the same hymnal. that is our opportunity to move forward from this, not cling to faux police reforms that don't avoid the next michael brown. >> the fact is, ferguson and other communities have to move past this. it takes all players involved. want to make sure you are part of that conversation. thanks for joining us on "new day." >> you bet. glad to be here. donald trump is one to change his mind. that hasn't changed since he started running for president. he is going to join us live to discuss his run for the white house. stay with us. othing to worry ab? well at safelite we know sooner or later, every chip will crack. these friends were on a trip when their windshield got chipped. so they scheduled at safelite.com...
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welcome to you, our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. we have donald trump joining us oun "new day" for the first time. mr. trump, can you hear me? >> hello, chris, i certainly
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can. >> good morning to you. welcome to the program. the viewers are excited to have you here. >> good to be here. >> let me give you the opportunity to deal with so much of what is surrounding you, especially your ideas for the country. to start off with the politics, this idea of you and a third party run, are you willing to announce this morning that you are going to stick with the gop, try your luck there, hope for fairness and if it doesn't work out it doesn't and no third party run? >> there's so much false reporting, you know it as well as anybody. you know what is happening. people are putting out signals and everything else. i'm running as a republican. i'm leading in every poll. in the cnn poll, i'm leading big. iowa came out yesterday where i'm leading substantially in iowa. we are leading all over the place. i want to run as a republican. i want to be the republican candidate. i think that's the best chance for winning, the way it's going right now, i'm being treated
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nicely. i just want to be treated fairly. if i am, that's the way it is going to be. i want to leave the door open? if something happens, i may use that door. anybody that says anything, i hear all these so-called advisers. think you know me to know about the advisers everybody is talking about that don't exist. i will tell you, i will keep the door open. it's not something i want to do. i want to run as a republican and win as a republican and take it back for the republicans for the country and make america red again. my campaign is based on making america great again. it's so simple, but hard to do. it takes a certain person to do it. i'll be able to do it. i look at my competition, they will not be able to do it. >> i want to talk to you about how. you said something ha is interesting here. you said i want to be treated fierily, nicely. those are not the same thing. when you look at what happened
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with the comments about megyn kelly, you said you didn't mean them the way they were perceived. why do you think so many people took them that way. >> i didn't say i didn't mean them. i said what i said. i didn't finish the sentence and people said he must be thinking about this. most people agree with what i said. it's very simple, i want to get on to the next thought. frankly, i don't know how it could have been misconstrued. the character that saved me a lot of money. erik erickson is a guy with a checkered past and stupid statements. it wasn't a big deal, frankly. by the way, he had a revolution out there. you know, unless you have a sort of a semisick mind or a very sick mind, you wouldn't have thought that would have been, you know, that would not be the normal thought process.
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but, it's sort of irrelevant. there are lots of other thing that is happen in politics that are certainly a lot worse than that. >> in terms of getting the female vote, it's going to be very important to you. you said you will be the best ever for women. the comments megyn was pointing to, do you think you owe women, in general, if not an apology at least some assurance the comments are not who i am and who i would be as president in. >> no, i think jeb bush owes women an apology. he made a terrible statement about women's health issues. it was a foolish statement, perhaps a stupid statement. it's a statement that never should have come up. that will prove to be his 47%. when romney did his 47%, his election was over. when jeb bush made the statement on women's health issues, you
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wouldn't need the kind of money we are talking about $500 billion, you wouldn't need to kind of money when that is peanuts compared to money spent on lots of other things. i think that was a terrible mistake he made. he's the one that has to apologize to women. i will say this, he has gone back, he said i misspoke. he said he misspoke. well, that's an awfully big issue to misspeak. i will be so good to women. i cherish women. i will work hard to protect women. i tell you what, work hard to protect everybody. ultimately, if you look at what's going on with iran, with this horrible deal that was made in iran, this incompetent deal made with iran, i mean, even if we don't approve it, they are going to get the money. can you believe that? if the deal doesn't get approved, they get the money. iran is going to be so rich, powerful and strong.
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we have set them on the way to literally it could be destroying the world. that is one of the dumbest deals. it may go down and ultimately horribly go down as one of the dumbest deals in world history. >> let's unpack a little bit of what you laid out there for us. i'll give you the deflection on whether or not you need an assurance to women. you don't like what jeb bush said. is that your way of saying you think planned parenthood should be funded because of the health care it provides outside of abortions to women, especially women of low means? >> the biggest problem i have with planned parenthood is the abortion situation. it's an abortion factory. you can't have it and it shouldn't be funded. by the government. i feel strongly about that. that's my biggest problem. if you look at it and the work they do, it is heavily centered
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on abortion. you can't have that. >> they say it's 3% of what they do and the money that does go toward abortions is not the money that comes from the federal government. >> what i would do is look at the individual things they do and maybe some of the things are good, i know a lot of things are bad. the abortion aspect of it should not be funded by government. >> you would take a look at it before defunding it. others are saying defund it, then look. >> i would look at the good aspects. i'm sure they do some things properly and good and good for women. i would look at that. i would look at other aspects, also. we have to take care of women. we have to absolutely take care of women. the abortion aspect of planned parenthood should not be funded. >> there is a big debate on this. many women believe you protect them by protecting their right
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to choose. marco rubio, someone running against you says he doesn't believe in any abortion for rape or incest. do you agree on that? >> i disagree with that. i am for the exceptions. you have the three exceptions. the health of the mother and life of the mother. i absolutely am for the exceptions, so is ronald reagan. there's nothing wrong with that. you have to do it, in my opinion. marco took a strong stand. i respect him. he believes that. it's just a different thing. i am for the exceptions, yes. >> do you agree with him about when you have a person in the form of the unborn that should have a right to attach to them. he says at conception roe v. wade. what do you think? >> as the process goes on more and more, people are talking
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about the 20 weeks and there. absolutely, as the process goes along. i am a person that feels very, very strongly about, you know, i am pro-life. i'm strongly about pro-life. i also feel that you go with the exceptions, which, marco, when i was there when he made the statement. a lot of people liked his statement, a lot of people didn't. i was in that room. it was a very strong statement he made. i respect him for im, frankly, i don't happen to agree. i am for the exceptions. >> you say i will do the most that can be done for women. will you pass an equal pay? you know they don't get paid what men do? >> i'm looking into that strongly. i was asked that question yesterday. i'm looking into it very strongly. i will have a position on it in the not too distant future. you get to have an economy where it's not only free enterprise.
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the concept of it is good. it's a very complicated, the whole issue is a very complicated issue. we have to make our -- we have to get this generator going to create the jobs and incentives and all the things we have to create in this country to make it rich again. without being rich again, we are not going to make it great again. we are going to be up to $19 trillion. ef to get the engine going. i'm looking at that very strongly. i feel strongly -- the concept of it, i love. i just don't want it to be a negative where everybody ends up making the same pay. that's not our system. you know, the world, everybody comes in to get a job, they make -- people aren't the same. in my case, i have tremendous numbers of women. i have a major company, big company, i built a great company. it's got some of the great assets. i have many women executives. i always have.
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when i was back in the construction days, the big construction days, i had women in charge of big developments. >> do you pay them what you pay the men? >> i was very, very prowomen many years ago. they are incredible executives. they are incredible executives. i get the picture better than anybody. >> do you pay them the same as men. >> i will make a decision soon. >> do you pay your women the same way you pay your men? >> yes, i do, absolutely. >> that's what it comes down to. it's not that everybody is equal. you are equal when you deserve. >> in many cases i have women that get paid more. i pay them more. >> one campaign suggestion for you, show the numbers to people. >> one of the things i alluded to, i'm proud of is, i was one of the first. i think i was literally the first. i had a woman in charge of the construction of trump tower. that was unheard of in the
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construction industry that many years ago. so, i was very proud of that fact. i have gotten a lot of credit over the years especially within the construction industry. you didn't have women at the construction industry at high levels. i think i was the first to do it, in charge of major developments. >> don't tell my boss, i was hearing what you were saying before you were on with us. when it came to tax policy, lots of plans, figure out the plans, make it simpler. you have to do better than that as you go forward in terms of putting out ideas they can cling to. what should be the top tax rate for someone like you who is a billionaire. >> we are in a very formative part of the campaign. i am forming. you don't understand, to be a successful person and a business person, you have to be flexible. you know, they say you have to go with punches. tough be flexible. you can't be boom, boom, hard and fast. a friend of mine who has been
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very successful. one of the people i have spoken to recently, carl icahn is a front of mine. i said i'm putting you in charge of china and japan. he said you should. he's a great negotiator. one of my friends wants me to come up with a ten-point plan, a 14-point plan, a 20-point plan. i didn't sit down and say let's do a 14-point plan, i went in and got it. i took it away from so many people. the old post office on pennsylvania avenue, everybody wanted it from the government. it's a government deal. i got it from the government and general services administration. i tell you what, totally professional people, those people. here is the point, chris, i wouldn't sit down and draw a plan that tomorrow, i will go
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and have a meeting. the next day, make an offer. i went in and got it. everybody wanted it. i didn't wait to do a 14-point plan, i went in and got it. a lot of this stuff, you don't want to hear about the plans, tough get in and get it done. >> you know that's not the way it works. you can't get in there not telling people what you are going to do. >> from the fair tax to every single form of tax our tax code is too complicated. we can simplify it so easily? >> how? >> using intelligence. by having common sense. >> what do you simplify? make the top rate go from 30 something to 20 something? >> a person with a simple tax return can't figure it out. they have to pay a lot of money to a company to do a tax return. you can have a fair tax.
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you can have a flat tax or you can leave the season alone, which is the simplest at this point. leave the system alone and take out deductions and lower taxes, leaving the system the way it is. i know exactly what i want to do, but i don't want to announce it yet. >> help me with that. if i was sitting across if you and said i have a plan, but i'm not going to tell you yet. i would get an eye roll. >> your show is getting better ratings because you are have been trump on the show. >> this is the first time. >> trump related. we offer and open forum to everybody. i want you to get the ideas out there. the iran deal stinks. people are going to want to know -- >> hand what to isis in.
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>> hand it to isis. give it to them. take them on. >> so, you are definition is different than mine. >> i'm not saying you would give something to them. how would you knock the hell out of them? >> take their oil away, their money away. >> how do you take their oil? >> iran, which gives plenty of money to isis, believe it or not, iran is funneling money into isis, too. iraq is going to iran just like i predicted in 2004. >> do you put troops on the ground? >> take the oil and troops to protect the oil. go and take the money source away. they would start to collapse. >> you have to get the oil. iran would say we are one of the ones fighting isis for you in a lot of places. that's why they have leverage. >> you know, even if the deal isn't approved, if it's not approved, they still get the money. i heard that the other day. they are going to be so rich, so
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powerful, so mean, they are going to be so angry. >> that's not exactly how it works. if they don't do what they need to do, there is a snap. >> it's a dumb deal of all time. one of the most dangerous deals signed. >> there is a snap back if they don't do what they are supposed to, the sanctions get back in. >> i'm talking the $150 billion and the other money. they are getting a fortune. they are getting tremendous amounts of money. >> there's no question they are going to get money. >> they are still getting -- >> the question is what was the better deal? what would you do? you know you can't sit down -- >> what would i have done? >> yes. >> double the sanctions. we want our business back, then made a good deal. >> but your allies right-hand turn with you on the sanctions, they want to do business. >> that's part of leadership, get the allies with you. the different people involved aren't going to be with you. you know why? they have no respect for our
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president. >> what do you think happens? if you are sitting across from rouhani or putin, you say get out of ukraine, he says make me. now what? >> ukraine is a different subject. ukraine, why isn't germany and europe fighting for them? why are we involved so much instead of germany? they are a powerful, rich country. they don't owe money like we do. they don't have a $19 trillion number on their ballot sheet. germany should be involved. why isn't germany and the other european countries. they are buying oil and taking everything from russia and we are fighting. excuse me, chris, why isn't germany, which is tremendously powerful and very strong and has probably the greatest leader in merkel, why isn't germany
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fighting russia? why is it always the united states. we are the policemen of the world. >> germany, as you know, doesn't have that military capacity that the u.s. has. >> they have tremendous economic power. they can crush russia. they can economic strength. >> they have their own interest. i know you know this. forgive me if it sounds like i'm teaching the world. there's a tendency to oversimplify situations. people buy into it. there's a reason germany doesn't do it. >> sometimes we make it too complicated. >> when you are sitting at the table with iran, and you say, i'm going to double the sanctions, all of your partners get up and leave. they want to do commerce. you say you are not getting a new one. the iranians say we have it. >> excuse me, they won't leave if i'm president. they are going to respect our country and respect me.
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they are going to do what i tell them to do. we have a lot of power over those countries. they will do the sanctions. >> why would you do this deal if you didn't have to? >> bring iran to the table. why didn't we get our prisoners back? you know what they said? we are not going to ask for the chris, we're not going to ask, because it will complicate the negotiation. and yet we gave back a nuclear scientist to iran. we gave them back the nuclear scientists that they wanted. we can't ask for four prisoners that are sitting there. one of them is there because he's a christian, in a horrible prison. i met his wife. she's an amazing woman. she doesn't know what to do. i guarantee you that if i were president, a deal would be made that's 100 times better. >> what is the deal that's 100 times better? >> you have 24 days to go and
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inspect. and people don't know that it takes a long time, that you have to start the process. >> of course you'd rather inspect right away, than with any kind of notice. how do you know there's an alternative? >> they didn't real "the art of the deal" objeviously. they're incompetent people. i watched charlie rose. i tweeted, i said, do not let kerry deal with this guy. the iranians are great negotiators, the persians. we gave up on every point. we got nothing on this deal. they still get the money even if there's no deal. they're getting billions and billions of dollars. we are represented by incompetent people. let me tell you, the sanctions
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would be doubled because i will convince germany and i will convince all of the countries we're talking about. >> india, china, you know, people want to do business. >> we have so much power over china. china has gotten rich over us. china has rebuilt itself on the money it's sucked out of the united states and the jobs it's sucked out of the united states. >> have you ever used chinese money on any of your project? >> i never used chinese money, but i buy chinese products, because they keep lowering their currency. if you look at the "wall street journal," the number one story is they're lowering their currency again, big league. they're just destroying us. our currency is going up, which sounds good, but actually if you look at what it's doing to our country -- and they're devaluing their currency. they're doing a big cut. that's going to be devastating for us.
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chris, our companies cannot compete with china. >> i understand that there are challenges there, that's why we need the ideas to try to figure out how to turn it around. identifying problems is important. identifying solutions, more so, especially if you're going to be president. let me ask you about what's going on at fox. this situation seems curious from the outside. megyn kelly goes on her show, doesn't come at you, says that you're successful. did you make a deal with fox. >> roger has been a friend of mine for a long time. he's somebody i have great respect for. i was very angry with the way i was treated and perhaps justifiably. he called me yesterday. as far as i'm concerned, i'm fine with it. >> so you're over it.
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was it part of the deal that megyn kelly wouldn't go on her show and attack you and keep it going? >> we didn't discuss that. >> it doesn't come up at all? >> it's not about that. there was a misinterpretation of what i said. unless you're a deviant, you don't put those words in. a couple of people tried to make a big deal about it. that's not it. roger's done an amazing deal at fox. >> the reason people were inclined to see it that way was because of the the other things you've said in the past about women. >> hey, look, i went to the hardest school to get into, the best school in the world i guess you could say. the wharton school of finance, it's super genius stuff. i built a tremendous company. i had tremendous success. "the art of the deal," that kind
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of thing. >> smart men aren't always good to women. >> i've always been good to women. nobody will be better for women as a president. when you talk about health care issues, i will take care of women like nobody else can. jeb bush -- believe me, that will be his 47%. his statement on women's health issues will take him down. >> well, it will if somebody else is offering ideas that are so much better than his and they highlight a deficiency. that's a task for you and the other candidates. >> perhaps. when these guys come and issue these plans and they're hard and fast, you've got to go with the punches like the boxer said. >> right. but you have to have a core set of ideas. >> you have to have flexibility. you have to get it through this vast web. nobody knows politics better
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than i do. i've dealt with politicians all my life. you have to get this through and passed through a vast web. we can't just keep signing executive orders all the time. by the way, hillary clinton won't. she won't take care of it like i will. >> how can you say that? >> i know my capability and i my i know her capability and i'm much more capable than she is. >> some would say for women, just on the issue of being pro-choice alone -- >> there are plenty of people that agree with me on that. we're not just talking about me. many women agree. that's not just a man issue. that's a woman issue too. >> absolutely. i understand that. how you're conducting yourself is an issue that's been a plus/minus for you. this morning everything's supposed to be okay with fox.
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in the new york postwhich , whi one of their properties, one of their columnists says their the most fabulous whiner in the world. and you've sewn if you were to sit across from putin, or mexico or the middle east leaders, as soon as they said something you don't like you would become a whiner and snipy and not get anything done. what do you say to that? >> i am the most fabulous whiner because i want to win. >> are whiners winners? >> i keep whining and whining until i win. i'm going to win for the country and make our country great again. right now we are a debtor nation. we have bridges that are coming down and unsafe. 60% of the bridges in this country need work and they're unsafe. >> how do you pass that
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infrastructure bill? how do you work with government? you can't just come back at everybody when they insult you. >> hey, chris, i'm worth $10 billion. >> you've been very rough on people over the years. in politics it's a little different. >> i know you and i know your brother. and your brother is a rough cookie. he's a good guy but he's a rough cookie. you get things done. >> you threatened to sue me and my parents for giving birth to me. >> i would never do that. >> that's exactly what you did. you played very rough sometimes. >> i'm a huge fan of your mother. >> she's watch right now, so don't say anything about me. she'll be very upset. you know how she felt about your parents. >> they knew each other from queens. they went tot the same beauty parlor. >> i appreciate you coming on
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"new day." you know i'm pushing on these solutions because that at the end of the the day is what makes the difference. a lot of people judge you for what you say because they don't have the policy ideas for you to test on. that's something that's going to have to transition for you to be successful in the race. >> you can't just go in and say -- it has to be flexible. i know policy better than anybody. i know politics as well as anybody. i've been doing it all my life. i've been doing it from the other side, which in a certain way gives you a better perspective. a lot of positive things are going to happen. >> they're going to have to have a central set of items about ideas. once you get into office it's going to change, because you have a big negotiation to go through with congress. and you will lead congress to the right place.
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that's what leadership is all about. >> you've got to work with them differently than you do -- >> i just health care looked at three polls that came out. i'm leading iowa big. another one i'm 32%. i must be doing something right. i don't know. >> it's inarguable that you have tapped into something that mattered with members of the gop and maybe beyond. that puts an onus on you, mr. trump, to deliver. >> i think the thing that i have tapped into is that people are finding our leadership is incompetent and they know that i am far from that. they know i get things done. and i want things done properly. i made a lot of money. i don't want money. i don't want people giving me money. i want to make our country great again. there can be no greater service that i do. i want to make our country great again. our infrastructure is falling apart. we have to take care of our
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vets. two weeks ago on wednesday they had the longest wait in the history of the veteran's administration waiting for a doctor. >> how do you fix it? >> they're waiting four or five days to see a doctor and at the end of the sixth day the doctor comes out and says, i'm sorry, i can't see you, i'm going on vacation. i will fix it. that's what i do in life. i'm not a politician. politicians are all talk and no action, chris. i'm the opposite. >> themr. trump, thank you for coming back on "new day." we invite you back to discuss the sissues and your solution t them. >> thank you, chris. we're going to take a break? oh, we'll keep going. i thought maybe we'd have to take a commercial there. but the cnn way is we keep going
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when we have something to talk about. what do you think? i'm trying to get answers out of him. his main take is this, i know you want a plan, i have to be flexible, i'll give you the plan when i'm in there. good enough? >> it's working at the moment, so he thinks it's good enough. that's what's so unorthodox in the trump phenomenon is can he sustain this. you ask him what do you mean, give me the specifics of your plan to simplify the tax code. he says, i'll give them to you down the road. you say do you defund planned parenthood and he said i'll look at it, probably parts of it, but some of what they do is important. he called it an abortion factory but said he would look at some of it. there was some important nuance there. can you imagine if mitt romney
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had said you have to be flexible? in a republican party that is lost and looking for a leader, they command those. it's work right now. can it work in the long-term? we'll see. right now it's working and it's very clear he's not going to change. >> i found it so interesting that to every question, whether it was iran, whether it was the tax code, he said i'll fix it, believe me. is that good enough for voters? >> you know, so far so good, right? i think in that question he was talking about negotiating with iran and negotiating with other countries and he said of those other countries that they would do what he told them to do. and that is what he is running as the alpha male. he is running as the sort of biggest man on the stage who can sort of craft the world in the way that he wants because he was able to build the trump tower,
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right? that is his argument. his wealth is his argument. his personality is his argument as well. in some ways, this has shades of obama in some ways, right? obama's argument was in some ways that because of his personality that he could change the ways of washington. >> donald trump is like president barack obama. >> trump's going to call back. >> redial. >> i thought it was a great interview, chris, very nuanced. if you're a trump supporter, you're going to like trump more after this interview. and if you're one of those people that is essentially playing and hoping that trump is going to flame out, this was a different trump. it was a subtle trump. he was able to shift to politics
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in a way, talking about jeb bush. it was a smarter, more nimble trump that showed up. >> what is consistent about tru trump is he issues no apologies. when trump asked him about his comments about women, he didn't answer the question, john. he deflected it talking about jeb bush. do you think that today's comments made any inroads with women? >> look at the polling data. if you look at our current polls right now, donald trump -- if you put hillary clinton versus the four or five leading candidates, including mr. trump he loses in a general election match-up today. he's hillary clinton's greatest dream in the sense that there's a 24 point gender gap. we're having this conversation in the middle of august. th the election is next november. donald trump has to win the
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nomination first. he didn't like the question, he didn't like the tone of the question from megyn kelly. he's running for president of the united states. anything is a fair question when you're running for president. it was his twitter feed she was asking him about. he doesn't want to apologize. he could say i was an entertainer then, i was looking for rates. now i'm running for president. i realize my tone has to be different. he wouldn't say that. he just pivots and turns the attention everybody else. this is the man running for the republican nomination, to lead the conservative party in the united states. you got him to layout his position on abortion with the rape exceptions. he gave marco rubio credit. >> he said women should get equal pay for equal work. he said he put out the proof of that as well. >> but the government -- >> while taking on isis or going
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at iran or negotiations with russia would be simple. >> but a conservative candidate that would give planned parenthood some money is going to raise eyebrows among the conservative base and say those are marketplace positions. but mr. trump as on a number of occasions back when he was thinking about running for the reform party nomination 15 years ago he spoke favorably about single payer health insurance. because of the power of personality and his position saying we need leaders, look at the buttons he touched in that interview. there's no respect for our president. that plays well with the conservative base. you can't play the world's policemen, but yet he would go after isis. he is a very smart person. he's running a very unorthodox campaign, but he knows how to speak to the people who are with him so far. and so far he's not losing them.
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>> he said something very significant about jeb. he want this is thing that jeb said about women's health to be a real death blow for him. part of politics is deflection and this man, mr. trump, is very good at it. let's go over this with mel martinez, a former chairman of the rnc as well. always a pleasure to have you on "new day." how do you feel about mr. trump now? we put the questions to him about policy. his main rejoinder was i don't have to give you specifics, i just know you can get it done. >> first of all, let me compliment you on the interview. you got him to cover a lot of territory. first of all, no, i'm still sticking with jeb. i'm looking forward to his speech on foreign policy tonight, where i think you get some more specifics and probably
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more of a presidential tone. a couple of things i think are very interesting about the interview, number one is mr. trump doesn't give you specifics. when he talks about dealing with foreign leaders in the very complicated world in which we live, i know simple answers are appealing to people, because the world is so complicated and the united states' position is so important. you don't demand world leaders to respect you. you have to earn their respect. when you're dealing with government, it's not like being the ceo of a company which you show up for work and if i don't like the way you're working, you're fired. government doesn't work that way. he's got to work with a congress. if he's going to do tax policy, i think his ideas might be great. frankly, i agree with a lot of that and i think they're consistent with republican mainstream, which is simplify the tax code, lower the rates, make the irs more productive and
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less cumbersome for taxpayers. but you're not going to get a tax package through congress unless you persuade other members of congress. you've got to have a plan. you can't just figure it out later. that's not how government works. men and women coming from the private sector and go into government oftentimes do not understand how government works. government needs to be more like business, but isn't business and never will be. when you're dealing with foreign leaders or when you're dealing with the congress, you ever to earn your respect. president obama found that out because he was a rookie at it. we're going to elect another rookie? i don't think that's a good idea. >> part of his appeal is that people don't like how it works down there or doesn't work and they would love a disruptive model brought in there.
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he said something about your candidate, jeb bush. he thinks that jeb killed himself with that comment about women's health and not needing the money or not being sure that they needed the money. yes, jeb bush clarified it in saying he was talking about planned parenthood, not the issue overall. but trump says that did him in. >> the fact is he clarified his comment immediately. and since then he made it clear in the debate the other night when he was governor of florida he actually defunded planned parenthood. here mr. trump said he would continue to fund planned parenthood. that's not popular in the republican primary electorate. >> he said he'd look at it. >> yeah, or he'd fund parts of it. jeb bush took action when he was governor long before the videos came out. i think that was a really really strong position for him to bring
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out. >> you've been always open-minded about this stuff regardless of your personal portion position on abortion. if you say i'm taking a hard line on this, say what you want about abortion. it's 3% of what planned parenthood does. but there's a huge body of service that they provide that will be at risk if you go ahead and defund it without even investigating first. do you think that help in the general? >> i think, first of all, it's about women's health. when i worked as the mayor of orange county, we had a lot of problems with health care. we funded local entities in the community, bring them in and do breast examinations for women who weren't otherwise getting them. those are the kinds of things you have to do, something that reaches community and reaches people. it can be about women's health or it can be about abortion. to blend the two, frankly that's
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not reality. i think reality is with a lot of organizations that work in communities and provide health care for women, which jeb is for. i think it's important to distinguish between providing abortion services with my tax dollars and providing services for women. you did a great job of covering the waterfront with trump. i think that's part of what's so important for us in this debate. you ended with talking about whining. you know it's never very attractive for monday morning the quarterback to be complaining about the call the ref made on sunday. man up, man. quit talking about megyn kelly being mean to you. how are you going to handle putin if you can't handle megyn kelly. that's part of test. that's what you've got to do. so get used to tough questions.
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give your answers and move on and quit whining. that's just the ways the in publ politics. >> he said something -- he was misspeaking. but he said i want to be treated fairly. very different things in politics, as you know from a lifetime and i as well. >> appreciate your perspective. come again. >> thanks. taking a look at ferguson. the community of ferguson no doubt hoping for a peaceful day after another night of protests descended into violence. 23 arrests overnight avenue demonstrators threw rocks and water bottles at police. ryan? >> reporter: a lot of people wondering what's next. of course we did get those updates numbers, about 23 people being arrested. some protesters showed up to
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last night's protest with frozen water bottles and started throwing them at police. overnight several arrests made as rocks and frozen water bottles were thrown at police. protesters taking to the streets, blocking traffic. authorities earlier declared a state of emergency in ferguson. >> give us some room. back up? >> reporte . >> reporter: protesters continue for a seconds night. armored vehicles back on the street. police lining ne ining up in ri. a small group of heavily armed men walk spinto the crowd of protesters, calling themselves the oath keepers. >> everybody has a right to be secure and safe. >> reporter: the men say they're
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protecting info wars, a site run by con spspirists. >> it is difficult. particularly for law enforcement who has no idea oftentimes who is who. >> reporter: tensions growing after a reported four shootings sunday night. 18-year-old tyrone harris remains in critical condition after being shot by police late sunday. >> please get him some help! >> reporter: and talking about the tension that was here, when protesters decided to block the highway, we saw several drivers trying to drive through protesters and we saw people kicking those cars. >> it could be worse, certainly. hopefully it is peaceful today and tonight. thank you so much, ryan young, in ferguson, missouri.
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the governor has declared a state of emergency. this is because of serious contamination because of a massive chemical spill into the river. it turns out it's about three times worse than earlier estimates. dan, this is all the result of an accident by the environmental protection agency, right? >> reporter: hey. yeah. the epa are in the business of responding to emergencies, not causing them. in this case, this is exactly what happened. along the river bank you see signs like these saying the river is closed. you can see this orangish, yellow river. in some places it looks okay, but that doesn't mean that the danger has passed. it just mean this is toxic stew has fallen to the bottom. i actually collected some water in this bottle. you shake it up and you have this ugly looking water.
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if you have a storm, you could have this situation really repeat itself. this all happened when the epa was trying to clean up that abandoned gold mine and it completely backfired. 3 million gallons of that contaminated water came into the animas river. we talked to the owner of a local rafting company. >> they should have had some safeguards in place before they started poking around up there. >> reporter: how is it going to affect your bottom line? >> drastically. >> reporter: and the bottom line is this river is closed indefinitely. we should point out that at this point there's no evidence that this contamination has got sban t -- gotten into the drinking
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it started off very peaceful and people were very happy. there was a sense of skin shkind belonging. people who had previously been on the couch decided to come out and participate in something we felt was very positive. as the world knows, things turned on sunday night. and yesterday our county executive issues a state of emergency. and we didn't understand why. of course he is new to the job and i know that he is trying to learn his way. but i really do think that most
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of the people who are here in st. louis and the state of missouri feel as though he went overboard yesterday. >> you don't agree with that declaration then? how do you think things could have been handled better? >> first of all, we know from the very early days last year, when you have this extra military force, people are intimidated by that. they feel even more threatened than they have ever before. that is not how you approach a group of people who have been hurt for so long. having that extra military force only makes things worse. so last night, while i know that so many people were arrested throughout the day, i'm glad that we did not have any injuries or any deaths. >> what do you suggest, senator? the fact is it is a challenge. we know the state of ferguson right now is tenuous, it is fragile. there's a lot of anger and
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frustration throughout the country in the african american communities. so how do you suggest that law enforcement handle the situation, the challenge of protecting the citizens and the businesses of ferguson, but allowing protesters to speak their peace? >> we all want to go home at night. we all want to tuck our children in at night. and we all want to give our spouse or our partner a hug and kiss at night. every single person, whether they are a police officer or an activist on the street, we having to cognizant that everyone wants to go home. we're going to have to start building these bridges. every single day i'm dealing with young people who feel they have no hope. yesterday i talked to dante, who is a young person who is afraid to go home and feels as though he's about to die at the hands of a police officer.
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i have other people who have thought about committing suicide and are very depressed every single day. i just wish that the police officers and the people on the ground who feel they are injured would come together. we realize there are bad apples on both side, in the police department as well as on the streets, but we have to remind ourselves that we have to have a community, a state and a nations that visually thinking about where we need to go in the future. we cannot sustain ourselves with the violence and the hatred for human life. >> maria, i think you've been very passionate about this and i know you'll be part of the conversations going forward. now ferguson commission is scheduled to issue its report come early september. we want to thank you for joining us here on "new day." we hope you'll come back and let us know of progress when it happens. and also keep officials' feet to the flames so they will make
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are whiners winners? >> i am a whiner and i'm a whiner and i keep whining and whining until i win. and i'm going to win for the country and i'm going to make our country great again. >> just like your teach your kids, whine until you win. a columnist for the new york post calling trump the nation's most fabulous whiner. cnn political commentator and jeb bush supporter ana navarro is here. thank you both. i would like to tick through different things that he said because in a statement of self-interest, i do think he addressed things in a way that he hasn't before. let's go through them and get your take on each of them. we'll start with the politics
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side of what happened with megyn kelly and the intrigue. here's his explanation of what he meant versus how it was taken. >> well, i didn't say i didn't mean them. i said what i said. and frankly i didn't even finish that sentence and people said, oh, he must have been thinking about this. it was a ridiculous interpretation. and most people agree with what i said. what i said was very simple and i wanted to get onto the next thought. frankly, i don't even know how its could have been misconstrued unless you're a deviant. >> good enough for you, ana? or is he deflecting? >> i was thinking about this. it just seems to me we're all living in donald trump's bizarre world and enabling it and helping him. he's got a pattern of behavior where he says one outrageous thing. he's offended mexicans, p.o.w.s
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and people who take communion. he's offended megyn kelly. in the process we've given the guy millions and millions and millions of media for the last two months. i think it works for him. it's getting him the exposure and those that like him double down and continue liking him no matter what he says. >> jeffrey, one of the interesting things here is that we're able to take how he feels about women. he didn't want to apologize, but he did get put in a position where he had to say something affirmative about women. he said i'll take a look at equal pay for equal work. i'm just worried. i don't want people paid the same thing without merit. but i believe in that and i do it in my own company. will that resonate? >> sure it will. i'm for chris cuomo for debate moderator. that was a truly fabulous interview. i think everybody learned something here in listening to
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this. yeah, i mean, this is his -- he is a very, very smart guy. and i think people under rate him at their peril. and he is open to having these discussions. we'll get to all the detailed policy things. one of the things that happens when you run for president, not to mention when you get nominated is there's an institutionalization of all of this. it will be a republican platform. those things are going to occur. his policy positions in some detail will be out there. you know, i think he was completely on track this morning and i think we learn add lot. >> in the past on preproductive rights, specifically abortion, he said i was pro-choice but i went pro-life after a friend of mine had a baby that wasn't supposed to make it and is the greatest kid in the world. we asked him about it. >> you asked for the three
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exceptions. i'm for the exceptions. the health of the mother and the life of the mother, i absolutely am for the exception. >> it's interesting. that puts him now in the mainstream of the gop. rubio is an outlyer saying i'm for life at conception. what do you think? >> i think that is the mainstream of the gop and the mainstream of america. i frankly appreciate where marco rubio is coming from, because i think instead of answering what's a poll tested answer, he answered from his heart and he answered from a question that is formed and based on his religiousbeliefs. >> i was thinking about what you said yesterday about that. i too am a catholic. a lot of us grew up in the church. here's the thing.
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he's a -- whatever his faith is he holds a very strong one. that is not the faith of all in this country. how do you marry your personal feelings with what is is right for everybody else, ana? because that's your job as a leader leader for everyone, not just fellow catholics or whatever his denomination is. >> look, i absolutely agree. i too am a catholic, probably not a very good practicing one. i'm always afraid when i go to church that lightning will strike. i think the way marco has done is the way he's already done it. he's got his personal believfbe but then you see him support the legislation that had the exceptions. while you support your own believes, you can also be pragmatic in getting a result. we've been seeing democrats do
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it for decades, have their own personal beliefs. the bidens, the kennedys certainly, very strong catholics who have their personal beliefs on abortions but then be pragmatic on it. what we saw is when the actual legislation was in front of him, he did support the exceptions. >> he did not play that answer that well, as you know. in the debate or the interview, he tried to distance himself from it. one last thing for you, jeffrey. he didn't want to go anywhere on the specifics. he fought the notion on the specifics. he said i've got to be flexible, i've got to get in there and see what the situation is. what he did do define his style, which was surprising to me. whiner is almost always a pejorative. no one wants to be called that.
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he embraced it. listen to what he said. >> right. >> are whiner's winners? >> i am a whiner. and i'm a whiner. and i keep whining and wining until i win. i'm going to win for the country and make our country great again. >> explain how that will be an effective operative tool with world leaders and congressional ones alike. >> it means pay attention to him or he's going to keep coming back and back and back and back until he drives them crazy. you know, look, this guy has built this mammoth global empire here. he must have some idea of what he's doing or it wouldn't exist. down, he picked up on rich's characterization of this. but wluhether you want to call whining or persuasiveness or what have you, what he's saying
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is i keep after it until i win. and i think american's admire that. >> i'm not sure if he missed an opportunity or took an opportunity to grow as a candidate, but he did not say rich lawyowry is a loser. >> chris, donald trump is a new yorker. and man, you all can whine like the best of them. >> that's not true. i take a lot of offense at that, ana a lot of offense. i love you both. thank you for being here. the nation's immigration policies are again under the microscope following the death of another person allegedly killed by an undocumented immigrant with a rap sheet. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like... my trusty bow. and free of stuff i don't like. we only eat chex cereal. no artificial flavors, and it's gluten-free. mom, brian threw a ball in the house!
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welcome back to "new day." the murder of another california woman is putting renewed scrutiny on the nation's immigration policies. two men, including an undocumented immigrant with a criminal past, are accused of sexual assaulting and killing 64-year-old marilyn ferris. one of the men is is the country illegally. and he has been arrested four times prior in the last six years. that includes just a couple of weeks before the attack. so why was he able to stay in the u.s. despite his criminal record? joining us to discuss, cnn's national security analyst and former assistant secretary for the department of homeland security. she wrote a piece about this that will be published on cnn.com. julia, i just want to make sure
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we clarify santa maria is not de technically a sanctuary city. >> i think it starts in washington, d.c. with this administration that we see and their policies. i am not remiss to say that from washington, d.c. to sacramento there's a blood trail into the bedroom of marilyn ferris. >> how do you explain what happened? who or what is to blame? >> i think there's a lot of blame to go around on the local, state and federal side. what happened is two dysfunctional systems merged. one is the criminal justice system which cannot seem to process enough people in enough time and detain enough people. and then the immigration detention system, which is also equally over burdened. it just seemed like he kept
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getting arrested and was or wasn't detained at various points by immigration officials. the exact truth of who's to blame may not be known right now. but you're going to get these things happening over time until we get to prioritize both the detention of those who are bad undocumented immigrants, but also give localities and states the ability to work with immigrant communities without detaining everyone. there's two important policies at stake here. unfortunately both sort of fell apart in this tragedy. >> what really gets you is that this is not the first time something like this has happened. this is the third report of somebody who has murdered a person in the u.s. and that suspect was here illegally. and this is just in the past month or so since july 1st. you'll remember kate steinle's death in san francisco really parked the conversation. you have said that while
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sanctuary city policies maybe need to be revisited but there is some benefit and it could be a good tool for law enforcement. explain. >> that's exactly the point. sanctuary cities now everyone's against them or defending p ini. what animated sanctuary cities is local law enforcement needed to work with immigrant communities. so there was cooperation between these communities, some of them undocumented and local and state law enforcement. that's an important policy to maintain. so what you're starting to see out of the department of homeland security and secretary jeh johnson sort of a promise to -- look we're not going to detain your communities. we just want the worst of the worst, drug felons, violent offenders, bring them forward and we will automatically detain them at our cost.
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i hate to be base about this, but a lot of this fight has less to do with ideology and a lot to do with money. state and localities do not have the resources. kud do kudos to the department for saying we'll take care of the bad guys. we have to respect state and localities and immigrant communities and their need to protect their own safety and security. >> seems like there are some r bureaucratic -- we really appreciate your insight on this. chris, over to you. ana, have you heard of the angel of air-conditioning? no? you and many others are going to meet her coming up on the good stuff.
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