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you can always follow us on twitter. tweet me @wolfblitzer and the show. join us tomorrow right here in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. tonight, trump takes florida. donald trump now leading jeb bush in three key swing states, including his home state of florida. joe biden not an official candidate shows str s strengths beating trump in ohio and pennsylvania. what does that mean for hillary clinton? a look at the woman who could be donald trump's secret weapon. his daughter. let's go "outfront." good evening. "outfront" tonight, donald trump, a new poll showing him with a four-point lead over jeb
bush in florida. trump holds a more commanding lead in iowa, ohio and pennsylvania. in fact, today's poll showing trump topping florida's other favorite son marco rubio in his home state as well. his only struggle today seemed to be with the american icon. in this new video from a photo shoot for "time" magazine. >> what you will do for a cover. this bird is seriously dangerous but beautiful. >> that cover headline says it all, deal with it. you might say that was trump's message to bush today. bush was in new hampshire taking questions from reporters and attacking trump's conservative credentials. while painting his rivals' immigration stance as cruel and harmful, bush seemed to strumibstruumble. >> governor, do you regret using the term anchor babies yesterday? >> no. i don't regret it.
>> you don't? >> no. do you have a better term? >> athena jones was at that event. bush and trump now engaged not only in a battle in the polls but certainly a battle of words, too. >> reporter: it is a battle of words. up until just a couple of days ago, bush seemed hesitant to engage trump. that's changing in the face of those sagging poll numbers you mentioned. now the gloves are finally coming off. >> you win when you campaign like this. you don't win when you campaign like this. >> reporter: jeb bush, hitting back at donald trump today. >> you win when you connect with people about their as spir ragss. not about how great you are, how rich you are or how this you are or how that you are. that's not leadership. >> reporter: those remarks coming on the heels of wednesday's war of words between bush and trump. the real estate mogul dissing bush with comments like this. >> i don't see how he is
electable. he is a low energy person. >> reporter: he can koechoing ae that he isn't energizing voters. >> you know what's happening to jeb's crowd? they're sleeping. they're sleeping now. >> reporter: in fact, one woman dozed off at bush's attorney hall today. even his fans say they are concerned about bush's lack of energy. >> he basically is just flat. he has no energy. of all the republican candidates, he is the one that i feel safest with. he would be the one that has the most experience. >> reporter: i asked him today how he is going to change that narrative. >> there's a big difference between donald trump and me. i have fought for causes all of my adult life. >> reporter: adding to bush's pain, poll numbers show he is struggling, even in florida, where he served two terms as governor. he trails trump in iowa, pennsylvania and here in new hampshire. a state seen as key to his run.
i asked bush why he is trailing trump, even in florida, his home state in this new poll. he told me, he is beating hillary clinton in florida. trump is losing to her. that's actually not true. the same poll shows trump leading clinton in florida as well. jim? >> troubling numbers certainly for the man who was once the leading republican candidate. katrina pierson, republican strategi strategist doug judd. how is donald trump leading the race in florida? >> you know, donald trump has been out there with a very straightforward message on how he is going to be the ceo and chief to -- like he says, make america great. focus on the economy and how he will bring jobs to america. what do we have as an electoral that's really wanting to hear this message? they feel very unsettled during
the economic times. wages are stagnant. they want someone to say bring the job back. how are we going to deal with illegal immigration in this country? it's interesting for jeb bush, he is fighting back. it is the battle of the titans. really, who will win the republican universe? that's where i think governor jeb bush needs to go. if he wants to be part of the game, he will have to fight donald trump in hoping to get attention from the media. >> katrina, trump goes after bush, of course, saying that he is boring. bush goes after trump saying he is more democrat than republican. have a listen. >> i'm a proven conservative with a record. he isn't. he has been a democrat longer than being a republican. >> he has donated to multiple democratic candidates as we know. he was pro-choice before he was pro-life. does the former governor bush have a point about trump's conservativism? >> well, he does. he makes -- there's a point to be made of several of the candidates running today that
have been on one side or the other. trump explained his donations as a businessman at his level, he has been able to play both sides. even he is tired of that. that's one of the reasons why he is running. yes, jeb bush is starting to fight back. even him fighting back is lethargic. this little reporter got him to backtrack on what he said to begin with. it's very weak. he will have to do much better than that if he wants to get in the ring with mr. trump. >> doug, i have to ask you, what the effect is going to be on wider party. hillary clinton, she realeased new bilingual ad suggesting bush is no different than trump. here say clip. >> i will use the word anchor baby. >> reports so you don't have anchor babies coming into the country. >> you have hillary clinton
equating trump and bush on this key issue of the latino vote. you remember, post-2012, the gop had a plan to win back latinos. it's right here. but certainly straying from that plan in this race early on. aren't you a party as -- as a party alienating latinos once again? >> you know, that's certainly something hillary clinton has gone to again. we saw her do that in her initial press conference when she was asked about e-mails. it's a shrewd move by hillary clinton. i think mercedes referred to this as the battle of the tie ton tans. it's almost like the battle of the network stars. it comes down to issues, how you can best articulate the issues. that's why jeb bush is playing the role of the tortoise and not the hare that donald trump is. >> it sounds nice to say battle of the network stars. but there are real issues here. immigration is one of them. there are people taking this,
certainly in the latino community, taking this very seriously. they're taking it as an insult. katrina, have i i have to ask y your candidate sinking the gop's chances of winning back the white house, drawing crowds today, but how will they draw the votes to win back the white house? >> that autopsy report was drafted by the same establishment consultants that are flipping out right now because donald trump is out there saying what needs to be said. we know as grass-roots people, this has to be done. i live in texas with the same quote unquote rhetoric used in last election cycle. republicans here won hispanics fighting back against illegal immigration and you can look at the polls. everybody wants this issue addressed. not in a nice way, in a politically correct way. the american people need somebody out there fighting for them for a change. >> katrina, we need 45% of the latinos to back the gop candidate in order to win in
2016. at least 45%. >> that's not true, mercedes. >> yes, it is. as a latino republican -- you do need both. you need the base as well. can't we find a middle ground? we cannot turn off latinos. i will tell you with the gop candidates -- we have a broad range of where they are in the immigration issue. donald trump on one end and then you have more of the governor christie, governor bush, marco rubio, where they are trying to figure out how to deal with illegal immigrants and the undocumented workers that have been in our country. we need to modernize our immigration system. but by using bad rhetoric -- >> this is the essential disagreement in the party right now, how do you get that vote? we have diametrically opposed points of views here. what is the way forward for the republican party? >> the way forward is to first
emphasize, you close down that border. that's the first thing to do. then you start to address the other problems. >> the debate moved beyond closing down the border. it's about kicking out not just 11 million illegals here but children who were born here and have citizenship. the debate has moved far beyond building a bigger fence. >> there are a lot of voters who react anything tikct negatively. how will donald trump pay for this? this will cost billions of dollars. it may require a tax increase, which is something he doesn't want to tell republican voters to do. one thing we ought to keep in mind, you go back a few years ago, i worked in the house of representatives at the time when the republicans did something they shouldn't have done. they shut down the government. we were told at the time it was going to be a distaaster. it turned out it wasn't. republicans were able to focus on a unifying message, echo that throughout the country over and over and have victories we can
do that once we move past this circus that we're in. >> we're in that circus it seems today. i want to thank you. we will keep up the conversation. thanks for joining us tonight. next, joe biden, not even a declared candidate but a new poll shows him beating donald trump in three key states. will biden jump into the race? donald trump speaking to what may be his biggest crowd yet. can he possibly fillmo more tha 40,000 seats. could this 33-year-old former model and successful business woman help put trump over the top? when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom?
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of florida shows joe biden, who has not declared his candidacy, beating donald trump. hillary clinton losing the state to the gop frontrunner. in ohio and pennsylvania, two other key swing states, biden and clinton beating trump but biden has a wider lead. jeff zeleny is "outfront" tonight. no candidate has won the national election since 1960 without taking two out of three of those states. clinton losing to trump in florida. how tough is that for her campaign right now? >> reporter: i think it's reflective of the fact that she's in the middle of a campaign. she's been five months under way or so and she's had a pretty rough summer with the e-mail controversy. everyone in this big republican field taking her on. joe biden has been on the sidelines. joe biden has this halo over him from the goodwill that he has done as vice president. it's not exactly an apples to apples matchup.
the minute he would get in, if he decides to get in, he would be right down in the middle of the rough and tumble as well here. important to remember, these are basically within the margin of error here. some worry signs for the clinton campaign. they thought she would run away with a matchup with donald trump. we're finding out that's not true. republicans are c s do not like. >> part of the cloud is the e-mail controversy and the team making a full court press trying to diffuse that, surrounding her use of the private e-mail account server while she was setting of state. her campaign spokesman and communications director over tv yesterday and today. clinton supporters, they are worried. >> they are because they believe the campaign has been too slow to react to this. they like what they see about the response in the last 24 hours or so. but i have talked to several democrats who have been like, where have they been? why aren't they taking this seriously? the clinton campaign is going
through what is called an education campaign to try and say, this is nothing but a partisan witch hunt. democrats who are notoriously nervous around this time of year, they really wonder if there's more there. sometimes hillary clinton has laughed about it. sometimes she has been defiande. they want the campaign to address. i'm not sure if it's enough so far. we will see. >> it's hard to call it a partisan witch hunt when there are democrats who have raised questions about it. tonight, clinton campaign press secretary brian fallen, thank you for joining us. you heard jeff, what he is hearing from clinton supporters who are worried about the campaign being too slow to respond. has it been too slow to respond to this? >> we don't think so. there's a lot of misinformation out there. as jeff said, we're engaged in an education campaign, if you will. for the last several weeks and months, she has been doing media
availabilities after her events, answering questions on s on the trail. we are attempting to answer everyone's questions. >> but when you look at the polling numbers and when you see favorability and trustworthy numbers falling, clearly the answers aren't sufficient. i wonder if hillary has to admit, i made a mistake. >> she said she regrets the decision to use her personal e-mail. if she had to do it over again, she wouldn't. that said, she didn't do anything wrong. the practice was in keeping that of past secretaries of state. it was permitted by the state department of policy in place at the time. nonetheless, she said she would do it differently. i think a lot is being made about this idea of that this is causing major drop in her favorability. your poll yesterday showed her favorability was stable with where it was in may. it was only two points off. a lot is being made of that. >> let me give you more.
clinton's favorability rating down from 44% in june to 36%. she has strong leadership quality down from 60% to 53%. those who say she cared about the problems of you and me -- a number of measures tied to the trustworthy questions that are down. >> what we know is because she's the frontrunner, that there will be a lot of jscrutiny of her. it's not newsy when she leads every republican. it's not newsy when she has the highest favorability -- >> this decline -- >> the fundamentals -- her fundamentals are better than any other candidate in the race. there's not a candidate on either side of the aisle that would want -- that wouldn't take the opportunity to trade places with her in a heartbeat. >> let me ask you about a different question. this goes down to key swing
states. a new poll showing trump beating clinton in florida. joe biden, of course, who is not a declared candidate, as you know, beating trump there. this can't be good news for hillary clinton. >> with respect to that poll specifically, there's some questions about the methodology in that they have oversampled republicans in our opinion. if you look at florida and ohio, they have -- they are tilted in favor of republicans. we grant them that if the republican turnout model is what they are using as the premise, then republican wills do well. >> i heard you make that point earlier. i talked to our polling people. smart people say it's not vastly -- >> it's a nine-point different. they estimate the republican turnout will be a nine-point difference. >> biden is also a democrat. he is still winning. when you look -- you take out the republican -- you look at
the independent vote, a key swing state, clinton loses. you see it 37% to 42% to donald trump. that's the independent vote there. >> okay. all i can say is despite that number, we would be more than happy to take on donald trump in a general election. >> that's the candidate you would prefer to in. >> they are all mimicking donald trump. he is the standard bearer. he has been a consistent frontrunner since the debates. that's why i think you are seeing jeb bush try to copy his rhetoric on immigration. >> if i can to look back eight years ago, we look back to the race in 2008. clintons was in the same spot she is today. she was the leading then senator obama, about the lead she has over bernie sanders today. can you be certain her support won't fade as it did then? >> i think if you look at every poll, her standing among democrats -- we're in a primarily campaign. notwithstanding she's beating
ever republican in the head to head when those surveys come out, her approval ratings with democrats, her favorability among democrats is sky high. if you look at your poll yesterday, she's not only beating the field by a wide margin, but when you add in voters' second choice, which is important in terms of iowa, she's got three-fourths of democrats locked up in terms of those that say they would support her. her support among democrats runs very strong. >> thanks very much for joining us tonight. next, donald trump's next campaign event. can the republican frontrunner fill this football stadium? a new fire didnstorm surroundin nuclear deal in iran. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. real madrid have about 450 million fans.
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his crowd size while playing down those of his opponents'. >> right down the road, we have jeb. very small crowd. we have 2,500. there are other rooms -- the overflow rooms all over this building, they have closed circuit television. people outside with speakers. >> will trump fill all those seats tomorrow? >> it's the summer of trump. >> reporter: donald trump's summer campaign tour is one hot ticket. drawing packed houses, crowds of thousands. he is hoping on friday he will really have something to write home about. now the campaign already boasting that due to an overwhelming response, the value had to be changed. it was scheduled to take place here in a modest theater in the civic center, on pccupancy, 1,9
people, then picked up and moved now blocks away to this 50,000 capacity college football stadium. the campaign says they have 35,000 rsvps. >> there will 30,000 to 40,000 people in alabama. >> reporter: trump has been known to exaggerate crowd counts before. >> it has been amazing. outside, sadly, we have thousands of people that can't get in. >> reporter: there's no denying trump's drawing a stark contract to his opponents like rick santorum who had two people show up at this diner in june. >> in politics, success belies success. if people see a crowd, they thil you are doing well. they will be more likely to join that crowd. >> reporter: going a long way for candidates like bernie sanders who holds the record for the biggest crowd so far this campaign, 19,000 people.
another senator in 2008 -- >> unbelievable. >> reporter: the crowds that denid defined obama's campaign. >> they hear the friends going to the obama rally. they -- maybe i should check that out. >> reporter: crowd count is not everything. >> you win by building structure in the counties, because it's not how many headlines you get. it's how many voters show up at the caucuses and the primaries. >> reporter: the attention certainly touches a nerve for those in the shadow of trump's summer spotlight. >> it made a little news not as much as donald trump. >> reporter: there's a big risk for campaigns to move to bigger venues. if they don't fill it up, it looks bad for the candidate to have empty seats. the weather will also be a risk for trump tomorrow. it's alabama.
it is the summer. it's supposed to be nearly 90 tomorrow with a chance for thunderstorms. this is all happening in an outside stadium. "outfront" tonight, sandy stimpson, the mayor of mobile, alabama, where trump will hold his event. >> great to be here. >> the trump campaign telling us they are expecting about 35,000 people. they have been known to exaggerate their numbers at times. trump does attract a lot of people. how many people do you expect at the rally? >> well, i'm going to go with their numbers. they're the ones that know how many people have signed up. a reason to be excited here that this thing has gone viral once they started this process. >> mayor, you know the people of mobile better than anyone. are the folks heading to the rally tomorrow, from your perspective, they are trump
supporters or are they going in part for friday night entertainment? >> it's hard to measure that right now. you know, honestly, donald trump creates a lot of excitement wherever he goes. there's a lot to be excited about just in the city of mobile right now. i think we will have to measure after the event and see what people think. we will welcome anybody coming on the presidential tour. we are delighted donald trump chose us first. >> this sean outdoor venue. are there concerns about weather tomorrow night? >> if you know anything about mobile, we do have a lot of afternoon thunderstorms. we're hoping that tomorrow night will be pretty. we have plan b. we will go to one of the other venues. we will be ready regardless of the rain. >> there's an indoor venue big enough to handle a crowd that size? >> no, it's not big enough. it will be a smaller crowd. i still think it will be a very exciting crowd and show the excitement that's been
generated. >> mayor, thanks very much for taking the time tonight. >> thank you. we look forward to seeing mr. trump tomorrow. >> we will be watching. douglas brinkley is a cnn presidential historian. you have been studying presidents and campaigns for a long time. what compares with what we're seeing from trump? i think of president obama in berlin. what compares? >> well, look, this kind of crowd, it's almost unique in the middle of august to be able to fill up a football stadium in alabama. i mean, it is a little bit like obama. there's an excitement to see this person. this is like a billy graham crusade going through the south now. i think that you are seeing trump launch his southern strategy. he has to hit of 30,000 mark. he put that marker up there. i think he wants to say his crowd is larger than bernie sanders who has generated the largest crowds on the campaign
trail. >> you are right, it's a bit of an expectations game. the stadium tomorrow night, there's a risk. it can hold 50,000 people. if you fall below that, a lot of empty seats. >> a helicopter view with a lot of empty seats. i think his campaign has a lot at stake of finding people, getting them there, enticinge i people to come. the media gaggle is going to be there covering this. i will be curious to see whether he has a warm-up act, whether there's music, how he treats it. part of the allure is trump's apt to say anything. we want to see what he might say next. it's a spectacle. >> i have to ask you tonight -- we have talked about this. in every election there's a hot candidate early on who captures attention but often fades. if you think of michelle bachman, rick perry last time around. based on your experience watching these campaigns, do you look at this campaign as one
that's a flash in the pan or that has a lasting, staying power? >> i do not. i think he is not a flash in the pan. he is willing to spend. he's a master manipulator of the media, including cable television. he knows exactly what producers to hit up, what shows to get on. that's free media. he is not buying tv commercial time. that makes him the first really 21st century new media presidential candidate. nobody has been like him. >> thanks very much douglas brinkley. "outfront" next, uproar in washington over a new report on the details of the iran nuclear deal. my guest, democratic presidential candidate who opposes that deal. ivanka trump criticizing her father on the campaign trail. how ivanka became trump's top adviser. the mercedes-benz summer event is here. now get the unmistakable thrill and the incredible rush of the mercedes-benz
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john boehner slamming the white house in a statement saying, the obama administration has a lot of explaining to do. the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee saying the deal is "a dangerous farce." and lynn lindsey graham saying is a case of allowing the inmates to run the jail. i have spoken to several officials who say the reality is different. they say the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog will have total oversight of inspections. they admit iran will have a role. critics see another example of the administration caving to iran. "outfront" tonight, former senator from the great state of virginia, jim webb. thank you for joining us. you are on the record against this deal. of course, you are a democrat. you campaigned for obama in 2008 and 2012. if elected, would you tear up this agreement? >> i have been opposed to this agreement for a number of runs. one, is that this should have been something that should have
been put before the congress rather than it being an executive agreement. the other is the approach that is just focusing on a nuclear agreement when we have to look at the balance of power in the region and the signals that have been sent in the region in terms of iran's growing power. that's the reason i imposed the invasion of iraq was that it was going to empower iran. now that they have been empowered, i think it's the wrong time for an agreement like this. >> do you buy the administration's argument repeated that the president -- if we don't make this deal really the only other option is war. >> i do not agree with that. i think that the focus on this deal has been on a slowing down the potential acquisition of nuclear weapons by iran. we have never been in this situation before where we have give en an approval for the acquisition of nuclear weapons by another country.
it hasn't come up with any conversations with respect to the soviet union when i was in the pentagon during the reagaea administration. we have haven't seen any confidence builders. we haven't seen it. separate from the details of the agreement is the impact on the region if we were to do it. >> let's talk about the region. iran not the only issue. you look at a number of measures and the pentagon calls it a stalemate on the ground. if you were elected, what would you do to win the war against isis? what is this administration not doing? >> in terms of that region, i think the two most important strategic objectives we have as a country first is sto bring -- help bring stability to the region and the aftermath of the iraq war has created instability as has the approach of the administration with the arab spring. the second issue -- i know you care about this -- is the number one long-term strategic goal of
the united states is -- has to be a different relationship with china. economically and militarily. >> i want to ask you about that. that was part of president obama's legacy. i travel a lot, as you do. you go to asia, europe, the middle east and you speak to officials and not people on the street. there has been a loss of respect for american -- that's not just a partisan talking point. there has been a loss of respect. do you think the obama administration has diminished american power? >> first of all, we led the pivot toward asia out of my office when i was in the senate on the foreign relations and armed services committee two years before this administration came in. we started this. and the reason that we started it was that we had not paid proper attention on a lot of different levels to what was happening in the region, the balance of power, the fragile balance of power that has existed among japan, russia and china. i have been talking about the islands for 15 year years.
>> has this administration diminished that power? >> i think we need to have a proper signal to china that we will react when they have expanded the way that they have in the region. they have claimed an area, as you know, that is about 2 million square kilometers of ocean as a prefecture. we have not signalled the right way to address that, which i think also should include looking at economic measures against china. >> no question, senator jim webb, thanks for taking the time. next, ivanka trump at 33, a huge success in businesses ranging from real estate to jewelry, fashion and entertainment. now, her father's betting or her to be his closest adviser. josh duggar, once a campaign of family values now exposed for cheating on his wife.
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whole issue of women's health and women. and she's my guide on that subject. >> can ivanka trump guide her father to victory? alexandra field is "outfront." >> welcome. >> reporter: the chief campaigning for her father. >> my father succeeds time and time again where government has famed before him. >> wait, wait. ivanka, wait. >> reporter: dad hired her for "the apprentice." now when he comes under fire making controversial comments about women, she comes to his defense. >> you love women. you cherish women. she said that. she said, you respect women. you have so many women working for you, probably more women executives than male. she said, dad, you have to let people know how much you adore women and how you will take care of them.
>> reporter: at 33 years old, ivanka is a top executive within the trump organization. >> i would like to welcome to you trump international hotel and tower. >> reporter: a jewelry line, a >> reporter: and a entrepreneur. with a jewelry line, a clothing line and a lifestyle website that celebrates women who work. >> modern. >> passionate. >> women who work. >> reporter: for years she has worked with her father. >> i have the unique perspective of being by his side every day and understanding how incredibly capable and just what an amazing visionary he is. >> reporter: in the early stages of the campaign, it is clear it is donald's daughter, trump and wife melania. >> she is born and bred trump. part of being in the trump family you are always a brand. from a very young age she is a brand. been in the business world longer than her stepmother
melania. ivanka is more of a known entity. melania has posed naked on the cover of magazines. that's something even in our modern country would be unusual for a first lady. >> reporter: trump told the hollywood reporter, melania will join him on the trail to highlight women's, use. daughter ivanka announced her father's run. a former model taking her place as the campaign's poster child. along with announcing her father's presidential run from trump tower here in new york city, ivanka also traveled to new hampshire to open up his campaign headquarters there. she is one of donald trump's five children and a mother to two of her own children. jim. >> alexandra field in new york. and "outfront" next. a horrific story of kidnapping, rape and it made al sharpton a household name. that's next.
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jason carol has the the story of tawana brawley and al sharpton. >> the brawley story has been a sensation. >> reporter: it was the story of 1987, one almost too terrible to believe. tawana brawley said they left her nearly dead. a gang of white men who raped her. >> reporter: brawley claimed the gang smeared feces in her hair, to tortured her and stuffed her in a bag. the story set in the backdrop of racially charged new york city. reeling from the death of a black man chased to his death across a highway by white teens in howard beach, queens. fueling the fire during the tense days, brawley's attorneys and her spokesman, the reverend al sharpton. >> sharpton rises from obscurity
convincing celebrities like bill cosby and mike tyson to support brawley and appearing on popular talk shows like the more town downey jr. show. >> he can heat up anything in a hurry. >> in downey fashion, one of sharpton's appearances on the show end in a brawl. when not duke it out on stage, sharpton going after brawley's attackers, steven pagonis at the time a prosecutor. >> tawa brawley -- >> it was uh so scary. every time i turned around i was getting a death threat. >> they declare their innocence while brawley's story falls apart. after a lengthy investigation. a grand jury found she had lied. >> tawana brawle yuz not the victim of a forcible assault. in the years since, sharpton
rehabilitated his image, gaining respectability. running for president. and never apologizing for his role in the brawley case. neither has she. now 43 years old. at last check, living in virginia. at one point working as a nurse. >> thought maybe you may want to reach out to us as well? >> first of all you need to put that camera. >> her stepfather asked us to leave when we tried asking if brawley would aapproximately jazz for falsely naming pagonis. craig wolf covered the story for years. >> no acknowledgement by the principals that we went too far with this. >> reporter: is there any anger that no apology from her, no apology from the al sharptons of the world. >> an apology means nothing to me. i know most people know the truth. but i want them to say it. jason carol, cnn, new york. >> we will note tonight that pagonis sued for slander and
won. al sharpton had to pay him $65,000. brawley was ordered to pay $187,000, but only paid a small portion. sharpton did not return calls seeking comment. the cnn film "evocateur" airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. a live q & a about the case happening now on our facebook page. thank you for joining us tonight. it's been a pleasure. and "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thank you for joining us. tonight barely a day after their duelling town halls in new hampshire a new boost for donald trump and body blow for jeb bush. last night in derry, mr. trump openly taunted the front runner about his campaign event. >> you know what is happening to jeb's crowd as you know right down the street? they're sleeping. >> today the wake-up call just might have arrived. here it is. new polling showing donald trump out in front in florida. governor