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news conference of his campaign so far. he's expected whether he's going to take a pledge of allegiance in writing the gop, something the republican national committee has never asked for before now. now, as a billionaire businessman, trump, he, of course, could be called the king of contracts but the signature expected on this document today may be the scrutinized of his career. if he signs, he would the rnc he would not run as an independent. and this just in minutes ago. a look at where the race stands right now. of course, looking at video of trump. he's made a lot of appearances in the recent weeks and days. this is a new poll of monmouth university and shows the trump with the biggest lead yet, 30% with dr. ben carson closing in behind him at 18%. let's discuss this with dana bash, gloria boar jer, a former contestant on "the apprentice"
and anna that vaf ro and a supporter of jeb bush. but she also advises other gop candidates. be i want to head right out to dana in the middle of the media frenzy awaiting trump and what will happen at the meeting with trump and the rnc chairman. what can you tell us? what have you learned so far? >> reporter: cnn can report according to a source familiar with the meeting donald trump signed the pledge, he signed the pledge that he is going to remain a republican even if he doesn't get the republican presidential nomination. and he won't become an independent. again, this is according to a source familiar with it. we're waiting to hear that from donald trump himself. reince priebus, the committee chair, came into the bidding, the trump tower, trump's home turf. flew up from washington. he was very cagey probably is a
best word the use about people seeing him. we tried to get him in a back door. he was pretty fast. he got in without us even getting much of a picture of him and then went up a back way. met with donald trump and our understanding is that that meeting is over and that he is actually gone. and that donald trump did sign this pledge. so that is definitely the headline that i'm told from a source right now. the key headline, so many things to sort of unpack with that headline. first is that the fact that reince priebus to some up here to get donald trump to do that, that he felt the need to do that. i'm told it comes after weeks and weeks of cajoling, of talking, of sort of careful consultation between the two camps, the rnc and trump world and priebus and trump himself and culminated in what we saw starting yesterday morning with the republican national committee sending this pledge request to all of the candidates
and him having to come up, not to the other 15 offices but just to this 1 here in trump tower to look donald trump in the eye and have a final conversation to seal the deal. back to you. >> dana, we know that this is never been done before, the fact that the rnc has actually sent out some kind of a pledge during a presidential cycle asking all the candidates to jump on board. is trump that unique? is that the only reason that this pledge came to be. >> reporter: in a word, yes. he is. even the republican national committee sources inside say that they don't have any evidence that this is happened before on a national level. on a state level, yes. when you have sort of intra-party fights it's happened but with a national race, the presidency, this is the first time it's happened. certainly, there have been threats from republican candidates in the past to go their own way. pat buchanan, for example, was a
republican at one time and, you know, sort of was part of a primary and then no longer. it's happened before but nobody who has the celebrity, the backing, the money, the whole package that donald trump has to make republicans so fearful that if it's not played right and he doesn't get the nomination, he would end up potentially going his own way, running as an independent and why this all matters yrks the frenzy is here, is because republicans are convinced and i think the polling bears this out that if that happened the democrat would win the white house. >> all right. dana bash, stand by with us. gloria, i want to ask you, trump is after all, the anti-establishment candidate and said all along i'm not a politician. does he gain or lose support signing this pledge? >> look. some of the supporters may say, we don't want you to do this. we don't want you to sign on with the republican party. but trump doesn't sign anything that he doesn't think works for
him. here's how it works for him. first of all, it gives him guaranteed blalt access in a state like south carolina which says you have to be a member of the republican party to run in the primary. a couple of other states are considering that. you know, that does work for him. secondly, it's not legally binding. we know donald trump can be laity jous. if he wanted to get out of this, i think he clearly could. the people it works for are the democrats by the way because now hillary clinton and bernie sander cans go out there and say every republican candidate has now signed a pledge to support donald trump. if he becomes the republican nominee. so they can call it the trump republican party and that works for them. i'm not so sure it works for the other republican candidates. particularly, jeb bush who's been going mono-e-mono against
trump on immigration, for example. hillary clinton could use it against jeb bush on the issue of imgags saying, wait, you said you would support a guy because he wants to build a wall so, you know, i think this works for trump to a degree and not sure it works for the other republican candidates and sure works for the democrats. >> well, anna, let me turn to you because you support jeb bush. would trump signing this pledge now that he's done it change the race dynamics, do you think? >> i don't think so at all because i think there is no doubt that every other person on that stage was going to support the republican nominee. the only person who left it up to a question was donald trump. he was the only one person who raised his hand. for everybody else, the other 16, this is not anything new. they are not saying anything new. and i i don't think that hillary clinton or bernie sanders or anybody is going to be able to
paint the republican party as a trump party because there are voices, strong voices, on the stage that are saying, we are not the trump party and that are taking him on. one of them is jeb bush who's doing it very ro cally and marco rubio and also -- >> we have to just stop for just a moment -- excuse me, an na. let's listen in to donald trump addressing the audience in this situation. >> the chairman just left as you probably know. and he's been extremely fair. the rnc has been absolutely terrific over the last two-month period and as you know that's what i've wanted. i have wanted fairness. i don't have to be treated any differently than anybody else. i just wanted fairness from the republican party. we're leading in every single poll. a new poll came out today where we're over 30%. we have actually hit numbers as high as 35% and 40%.
and frankly, i felt that the absolute best way to win and beat the democrats and very easily i think beat the democrats no matter who it may be, whether it's hillary or anybody else, and i think maybe hillary's going to have a very hard time, frankly, with when's happening, getting to the starting gate, the best way for the republicans to win is if i win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up and for that reason i have signed the pledge. [ applause ] so i will be totally pledging my allegiance to the republican party and the conservative principles for which it stand and we will go out and we will fight hard and we will win. we will win.
most importantly, we will make our country great again because that's what it's all about. we have to make our country great again. with that, are there any questions? [ inaudible ] this is a self-funded campaign. we have our heart in it. we have our soul in it. i don't need money. i don't want money. this is going to be a campaign like i think no other. i'm not controlled by lobbyists. i'm not controlled by anybody. i'm controlled by the people of the country in order the make our country great again. yes, sir? [ inaudible ] yeah. i got nothing. all i have -- yeah. yeah. i really got nothing.
the question was what did i get for signing the pledge in absolutely nothing, other than the assurance i would be treated fairly and i've seen that over the last two months. they really have been very fair. >> -- change your mind? >> no. i have no intention of changing my mind. >> what changed? what changed over the past couple of weeks that you didn't want to raise your hand? >> the big thing, dana, that's changed and 0 fb to all, number one, after i announced we went up like a rocket ship, nobody thought i would run and they won't put in the papers and i did that. the papers in terms of the company turned out to be spectacular. i built a great company. all of the other papers have turned out to be very well received. and i think the thing that changed is the fact that i went to number one place very quickly after i signed and after i in this building notified everybody that i'd be running for president. so i think the biggest thing is
that i went early to number one and the rnc has treated me with great respect. so that was very important. yes? [ inaudible ] no, i see no circumstances under which i would tear up that pledge. >> governor christie today said that you are so consumed and that he -- come and meet with him to beg him to sign the pl l pleplen pledge -- >> you don't have to be met when you're at 2%. that's one of those things. this's the way life works. and i like governor christie, by the way. [ inaudible ] >> well, the chairman asked if he could come up. you saw him. he was here a little while ago. i was greatly honored he did come up, frankly. >> the comments that you said about jeb bush -- [ inaudible ] >> a gamble by speaking spanish to the crowd. >> well, i think that when you
get right down to it we're a nation that speaks english. and i think while we're in this nation, we should be speaking english and that's how assimilation takes and that's how -- i mean, whether people like it or not, that's how we assimilate and go on to the next phase and the next stage and how people that don't speak -- i'm not just talking about spanish but various parts of the world, that's how they will become successful and i think it's more appropriate to be speaking english. yes? [ inaudible ] well, one of the things i want to do and i feel very strongly, it's a country based on borders and our country is based on laws. and when people come into the country illegally, we should not allow that. and this is not from south
america. this is not from mexico. this is from all over the world. when people come illegally, we cannot allow that. i want people to come legally. i want very much to take care of our border. our southern border is a total mess. that's been proven. and interestingly, a couple of months ago when i announced i made some very strong statements about the crime and the problems that were happening and i've been proven right and many of the people in this audience actually have apologized to me. i appreciate. they haven't done it publicly but these are minor details. some day they will. we're a nation that wants and needs borders. we're a nation that wants and needs and is based on laws. and we will make sure that that takes place. with that being said, i want people to come in to our country legally. i want to have a big, fat, beautiful, open door. i want people of great talent to come in.
for silicone valley. i want engineers, physicists. i want people with great talent to come into the united states. when people graduate from college, you can be number one in your class at harvard or number one at yale or the wharton school of finance or princeton or stamford. and immediately if you're not a citizen of the united states you get thrown out of the country. we want those people to stay. we want people of great talent to be in the united states to work here and ultimately to become a citizen. [ inaudible ] i don't know enough about it to comment on it. was she jailed? i really don't know much about it. no, no. yes, go ahead. [ inaudible ] that's absolutely false. i win at golf. i win at golf. that i can tell you.
yes? [ inaudible ] well, i understand how the system works maybe better than anybody. i understand the political system. and i understand also very much a system of coming in for illegal immigrants. don't forget if i didn't bring up the subject of illegal immigration, you wouldn't be asking the question. nobody would even be talking about immigration. and immigration and in particular illegal immigration has become a very big factor. now, a lot of bad things have happened with respect to crime since i brought it up. but if i didn't bring it up, immigration would not even be a subject that we're talking about and it happens to be a very important subject. i have to say this. it can also be a very positive subject because i believe so strongly in immigration and i just -- we have to stop illegal immigration and we have to look
forward to great immigration done in a legal matter. but if i didn't bring it up, nobody would be talking about it. go ahead. [ inaudible ] well, there is gridlock in congress right now. that's because there's no leadership at the top. you have to be able to lead. you have to get people into your office. you have to get people, go to them. any way you want to do it. but you have to be able to lead. there is no leadership at the top. signing executive orders is not the way our country was supposed to be run. yeah, go ahead. [ inaudible ] i don't want to talk about that here. it's inappropriate. yes, sir. go ahead. [ inaudible ] tom brady?
well, i'm -- tom brady is a very good friend of mine. he's a great guy. for those of you that don't know him, he's a very honorable and honest guy and a truly great athlete. he is really a very good friend of mine and i just spoke to him a little while ago. he's so thrilled and happy. tom brady i think what they have done is terrible. and he has been exonerated as i understand it. i just heard about it. but i'm very happy for tom. as far as the commission is concerned, they're having a rough year. let's face it. they're having a very rough year. yeah, go ahe. well, in europe they have tremendous problems. people storming. it's a huge problem. i just say this. the united states has tremendous problems of their own. we have infrastructure that we have to fix. we have bridges and roads and tunnels and everything's falling apart. our nation's in such trouble. that's why being a builder and a
great builder and a very successful builder i think will greatly help. but we have so many of our own problems. including the border. including the wall which we will get built. including all of the things we have, health care which is a mess. you know, if you look at obamacare, the premiums have gone up 45%, 50%, 55%. people are saying this is turning out to be a disaster. deductibles are through the roof. the deductibles on obamacare, it's through the roof. so, we have a lot of problems. we have to take care of our vets. we have to build up our military. just the other day, general ordonore said the army is in the worst shape in its history of preparedness. for them to be in bad shape with the way we are and the world hating us and look at hillary clinton and i have said she's the worst secretary of state in the history of this country. now, in all fairness, because of
the agreement that's about to be finalized with iran, john kerry may very well take her place. i think that agreement is a disaster for this country, for israel, for the middle east. it is going to lead to nuclear proliferati proliferation. the 24-day clause, everything about it -- we don't get our prisoners back. you say who negotiates a thing like that? that won't happen i can guarantee you with a president trump. all right. one or two more questions. yeah? [ inaudible ] you'll see it later, yeah. they don't want to hear it. yeah, go ahead. [ inaudible ] could you stand up, please? >> from the beginning -- rnc -- [ inaudible ] >> all i want to do is -- yeah.
and say hello to ro san that and greg. okay? great people. i want to be treated like everybody else. i was always the fair haired boy. nobody knows the system. i was on the other side. i was the fair haired person. once i ran, i was a little bit of an outsider because i was running. i wasn't supposed to run. i'm in businessman that people have given me great credit as being a great businessman and not supposed to be running for office. the fact is that our country is being killed on trade by china, by japan, by mexico. both at the border and on trade. and i'm not knocking those countries. they'ink their leaders are much, much smarter than our leaders. they're absolutely killing us. china, taking our jobs, taking our money, taking our base and think of this. we owe china $1.4 trillion. we're paying them interest. we owe japan with all of the cars coming in the same amount.
$1.4 trillion. that's like a magic act. they send the cars in. they take our jobs. they do everything. and we owe them money. that's not going to happen with me. [ inaudible ] it's been a long time. go. [ inaudible ] well, jeb bush is a very nice man. i'll be honest. i think he's a very nice person. i think he's a very low energy person and i don't think that's what the country needs. i hear that he's going to spend a lot of money on negative ads on me and honestly, look. he is getting the money from special interests. he's getting the money from lobbyists and his donors. and they're making him do it because he's crashing in the polls. i don't know what's going to happen. spending $25 million on negative ads, i don't know. i know that my life will continue. i don't know. nobody's ever spent money on ads against me but he probably has to do that although it would not
be the way i have done it. one of the things that i'm most honored about is that so far everybody that's attacked me has gone down the tubes. you have lindsay graham attacked me. he was at 3%. now he is at 0. perry is getting out of the race. he was at 4% or 5%. rand paul attacked me. i saw the last poll, monmouth poll today. where i'm leading by double figures and rand paul is down to less than 2%. and he attacked me. now, jeb bush also just went down in the monmouth poll very big. so i don't know. i mean, they're going to spend -- he's going to spend lobbyists' money and special interest money. remember this. they have total control over jeb and hillary and everybody else that takes that money. nobody knows the system better than me. they have total control. you understand it very well because you've been covering it for a long time. those people that are putting up
those millions of dollars have total control over your candidate. i will tell you this. nobody's putting up millions of dollars for me. i'm putting up my own money. [ applause ] in fact, i feel a little bit foolish. people are offering me millions and millions of dollars. you know, when you're in first place, you can collect so much money. i keep turning them down. i feel like am i a fool? i feel very foolish. when i was in iowa last week, i said, what do you think? can i take one man offered me a -- a big lobbyist. $5 million for the campaign. i said to the crowd in iowa, great crowd, 4,000 people. i said, can i take it? and will you believe i'm not going to do anything, i promise you, i swear to you i won't do anything? they said, no, no. don't take it. the fact is i'm the only self-funder. i'm putting up my own money. i know there have been some
superpacs, five or six, where people are forming superpacs for trump. i have nothing to do with them as you know. you're not allowed to have anything to do with them. i don't know what they're going to do. hopefully it's nice. i don't know anything about them. but just in a nutshell, i'm funding my own campaign. nobody else is. when people advertise, i hope the voters can see this. every negative ad about me is paid for by lobbyists and specialist interests. remember that. yeah, go ahead. [ inaudible ] our country can be doing much better. we have deficit that is are enormous. we have an army that the head said is not prepared. we have a military that needs help. and especially in these times. we have nuclear weapons that you look at "60 moneyinutesminutes"
work. they have phones that don't work. wires that are no good. our country doesn't work. everybody wins except us. we need victories in this country. we don't have victories anymore. our country will be great again. but right now, our country has major problems. yes, ma'am? [ inaudible ] who is? who? yes, carly. i think it's great that she is in the debate. i was in favor of her being -- i think she should be in the debate. i don't like that fact that there are 11 people now as i understand it. they're not getting rid of rand paul or somebody. but -- and they should because it's too many people. because when you have 11, you're not going to hear me and not going to hear other people talking and i think that's too bad. i think 11 is lot of people but i was very happy she got into the debate because she deserved
to be in the debate. okay? >> trump -- vice president biden, gets into the race -- >> i think maybe he's inclined not to get into the race. i think it depends on what happens with hillary clinton. a lot of people think that she will not be able to make it legally from a criminal standpoint to the starting gate. i don't know that to be true. but i think it depends on what happens with her. i think if she gets out he will get in. if she stays in, he might not. who knows? [ inaudible ] >> jeb bush's campaign said yesterday on twitter -- tearing apart the gop. jeb bush today said you don't believe in tolerance. chairman did come here but where is he? >> he's not supposed to be here. he was here. he was up in my office and got the pledge and happy about that. we don't want anything -- and i told him. i said i don't know if it's appropriate for you to be here because i don't want anything -- you guys will say he's endorsing
trump. that would be inappropriate for him. i suggested, frankly, that -- i'm fine with him not being here because i don't want anybody to think he's endorsing. as far as jeb is concerned, i watched him this morning on television. and it's a little bit sad. don't forget. he was supposed to win. and he just doesn't have the energy. but what he does have is a lot of -- a lot of money. that was given to him, again, by special interests, donors and lobbyists. i just hope that if he spends money on ads and he may not, if i were him, i would spend money on positive ads about himself because if he knocks me, assuming people leave and maybe they're at a point where they're not going to leave and fed up with what's happening in the country and going to people other than jeb. yeah, go ahead. [ inaudible ]
i don't know. i'm right now interested in jobs. one thing and one of the groups that was actually cnn i shouldn't say that but they did a very massive poll and i came out number one in leadership. number one on the economy. number one in jobs producing. and i don't mean by number one. i mean number one by many, many times. and i am so intent on putting people back to work in this country. you know, we have 93 million people that are not in the workforce right now. 93 million. when they give up looking for a job, they take them off the stats. they take them off the sta cities ticks. we have 50 million people between poverty levels and welfare and all -- our country can be great again. we have to put people back to work. all right. one or two more. [ inaudible ]
okay. would i bring my children into the administration? i will tell you they're very capable. the answer is probably not. but having them in would be very good. they're very, very capable children. second part i won't bother because it's no longer pertinent. back there. [ inaudible ] kanye west? you know what? i'll never say bad about him. you know why? he loves trump. he says trump is my all-time hero to everybody. so kanye west, i love him. now, maybe in a few years i'll have to run against him. i don't know. i'll take that back. you know what? he's been so nice to me. i sort of -- you people have sort of seen. i'm a counter puncher. i only hit people when they hit
me. only. he's so great. i would never say bad about him because he says such nice things about me. [ inaudible ] no. my supporters are really supporting me because i'm very competent, because they know that i'm not going to let china rip us off. i'm not going to let japan rip us off. japan is devaluing their yen. very hard for caterpillar and other companies to compete against kamatsu and others. we're not going to let this happen anymore. they do -- you talk about a trade imbalance. they have in japan the biggest ships you have ever seen pouring cars into los angeles, pouring them in. i have never seen anything like it. we send them beef and they don't even want it. it will end. they'll like us.
in this building, the largest bank in the world up in the elevators. a bank from china. by far, the biggest bank in the world. i get along great with china and japan and mexico. i love the people. i love the people of mexico. i love the hispanics. i have thousands of hispanics right now working for me. over the years, i have employed tens of thousands of hispanics. many from mexico. i have unbelievably great relationships and in the package that we gave you you'll see there's a poll and i'm number one with hispanics. you saw that. number one with hispanics. so look. for our country to be great, we have to be able to make great deals. we're going to be great to the vets. we'll be terrific. the military will be unbelievable. all of these things to get rid of obamacare and come up with something that's much better and much less expensive. we're going do get rid of it. repeal it. it's going to be out.
should have been out long time ago and never happened. but we are going to take care of our country and we're going to bring back jobs and we're going to bring back wealth to the united states. so we can afford to save social security which i'll save without cuts. so that we can afford to do the kind of things so we have to do to make america great again. ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. and here is your -- here is your pledge. [ applause ] they put it in, yeah. somebody else wrote it. we'll change the date. >> you know it's a bubble waiting to explode.
i have been saying what they're doing in china is a bubble waiting to explode and just remember something. when it's a bubble, it's a bubble, we can't be brought down by that bubble. they have done things to cause it. we can't be brought down by the bubble. thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you. >> you have been listening in to donald trump following his meeting with rnc chairman reince priebus and signing a pledge of allegiance to the republican party that he will not run as an independent. >> he's here to see me. one of the most powerful men and a great man and the whole group is here to see me today and we will do great things for the united states. is that correct? >> yes. >> do they like me in indonesia? >> yes. thank you very much. >> speaker of the house in indonesia. thank you very much.
>> donald trump surrounded by a lot of supporters. speaking to a whole gang of media who wanted to hear the result of this meeting with the rnc chairman. i want to bring back the panel to discuss a lot of the different thing that is he discussed. we have dan that bash there. we have gloria boar jer, jeffrey lord. anna navarro and we have a trump supporter, katrina camp, a former contestant of "the apprenti apprentice." gloria, he signed the pledge. said he's not going to change his mind. does that calm the critics who have said he's not conservative enough, not loyal enough to the party? >> look, i think it calms the republican national committee and reince priebus. i mean, their personal nightmare would have been if donald trump refused to do it and had threatened to run as an independent candidate because that would throw the election to the democrats because as we see
in the polls he's got a substantial amount of support. number one, this is good for reince priebus. what i heard from donald trump that was interesting to me was he did say under no circumstances could he see taking this back. he also said all he wanted -- what's the aretha franklin song? respect. which he clearly got. >> respect and fairness. >> yes. he got from the republicans and hitting jeb bush hard on the fact that he's a tool of republican big money and a tool of republican lobbyists and as we sat here listening, to donald trump, jeb bush's superpac put out a video comparing trump to hillary clinton. saying that they belong to the same thing. expect this ping-pong fight to keep going. >> i want to talk more about the comments of jeb bush in just a moment. let's go to dana since she was
there during the press conference and a great perspective how things went down. what was it like? dana, can you hear me? it's anna in new york. what is your takeaway? >> reporter: there's a connection that's a little bit bad. >> i'm sure you're surrounded by a lot of noise where you are. set the scene for us there. what was it like in that room at that press con sfrens? who was he surrounded by? >> reporter: his top aides, one of his sons was here. and a lot of press. as you could see. probably a lot of press. i couldn't count the number of cameras as i'm looking at you and the others next to them. i think that, you know, some of my colleagues were talking about the fact that this was kind of a different trump. in tone, in tenor. this is -- he's kind of evolved to this at times.
he changes when he's pushed as he said. he counter punches and he's not shy about doing that. but the bottom line is that this is a man who as the latest poll we have been reporting on today shows is on top. is riding high. he's at his highest yet in this monmouth poll today at 30%. and so he feels like he's got to sort of be the leader and take the pledge. that's what he said. however, we should also point out some of the realities here. and that is, number one, i'm not sure if you guys have mentioned this yet. this is not binding. he said under no circumstances asked about the fact that it's not binding, under no circumstances would he at this point go ahead and run as an independent. which is something he's never promised to do before. but still, you know, donald trump has been unpredictable and changed his mind before. the other thing that we should just kind of reality check here
is that there are some important states, especially south carolina, which is a first in the south primary states, which doesn't allow somebody to run for the primary, presidential primary without promising to be a republican. so there's some of those fact that is are just out there and, yeah, there is that despite the fact that i have been told that the calls that they were getting upstairs in the office were overwhelmingly trying to tell him not to take the pledge, from the staunch supporters and much prefer him to be kind of a maverick independent guy than the, you know, establishment part of any party guy. he's got to get beyond the supporters to get the nomination and got to appeal to some of the party faithful who aren't going to support anybody unless they know that he is part of them and that is part of that. >> katrina, i know you have been a big supporter of dlmp. he's been your boss and your work world.
what do you make of him signing the pledge? >> well, i think that the fact that they actually asked them to sign a loyalty pledge and i don't think it's been done before, just shows the strength of donald trump. and the big threat that he is to, again, the democratic party. but also, other republicans running. i'm -- you know, expect the unexpected from trump. i didn't know if he would sign it or not. i understand why he did. and hopefully the fact that he signed this pledge now will allow us to focus on other more important issues rather than the candidates fighting amongst each other. >> did you want him to sign the pledge? >> you know, i wanted donald trump to do whatever he felt was right in order to win the presidency because i believe that he has the best chance to correct the political corruption in this country. and the fact that he is independent from all of the lobbyists and special interests and what i love about donald trump is that he stands firm in
his truth. i have so many republicans that have told me that they can't vocally, you know, support him to the public but that come election time they will if if he's the republican candidacy and democrats telling me to vote for him. the first time in history he's actually allowed people to, you know, sway from party to party because he's just speaking truth which people want so desperately an we need in this country. it's really the first time in a long time that i'm proud to say that i'm an american and i'm passionate about it and that's why i come on here and speak about these issues because i believe in donald trump and i believe that he can make it all the way to the white house. >> trump has sparked a passion. that's for sure. he has people who are very into the political race this early in the cycle. jeffrey lords, i know you have been a trump supporter. one thing that stood out to me is he didn't fling a bunch of insults and one person to go on
the attack against was jeb bush. yet, in this most recent poll, donald trump at 30%. jeb bush is at 8%. he's continuing to fall in the polls. why do you think he keeps going back against jeb? >> i think jeb is the -- if you will, the leader of the insider pack. i mean, i think there's two groups of people here, the insiders and the outsiders. and jeb for a long time has been, i don't know after this, frankly, whether he will be seen as the leader of the insiders but that's probably one of the reasons he goes after him. i have to say, watching this and listening to this, i had two other thoughts. one is, he really looked presidential. this is what a president looks like. in command, firm. answered questions. took as many questions and the second thought i had was the contrast with hillary clinton. who sort of doesn't want to get into these kind of situations with the press. she has the business of somebody that worked on the server taking
the fifth amendment and other aides are testifying. it's a mess over there. i think the contrast is pretty stark. >> you know, the way he attacked jeb was so interesting to me because it was sort of more in sorrow than in anger. it's a different kind of tone, don't you think, than we have heard in the past? he sort of said, he is a nice guy but i saw him in morning on morning television and he was a little bit sad. because he was supposed to be number one and now i'm number one. >> anna, do you agree with this? >> to me, donald trump today sounded like maybe this press conference interfering with his nap time. he sounded and, you know, what is donald trump wattage, low energy, a different tone. look. he's going to wage attacks against jeb bush. jeb bush is going to answer back. that is where we are. that is what it's come to. and i think that's what we're going to continue seeing. i think it's a good thing that
he signed this pledge. like dana said, he changed his mind a lot on things like abortion, on things like the health care system. so i, you know, i don't put all the eggs in this basket that he's not going to change his mind this time. but the idea of donald trump not running as an independent, not running a third party, is -- is a relief for republicans because it would mean certain doom and, you know, this guy is a perfect storm in a candidate. he's got the money. he's got the sleebty status and tapping into angst and concern. if he didn't have the money and the celebrity status, he would be a guy ranting. he has all the different factors to make him a difficult person to deal with as a third party candidate. >> let me bring up the comment he made just this week about hispanics and about jeb bush and his attack against jeb bush. he criticized him for speaking in spanish with some of the voters and supporters that he
was speaking to just yesterday. in fact, let me read what he says. i like jeb, he should set the example speaking english while in the united states. gloria, does that further alienate trump among minority voters? >> let's say donald trump is not likely to win with hispanic voters. he has an 82% unfavorable rating and what he was doing with that comment was playing to his base. which is the conservative white voters in the republican party. he knows exactly what he's doing. and it's a way to differentiate himself and he understands even though he said i love the hispanics as he put it. even though he said that today, it's very clear that in criticizing jeb for speaking spanish, he was talking to his core constituency. >> jeff, can donald trump win the general election? if he keeps making comments like this. >> well, you know, there was an interesting column of peggy
noonan in "the wall street journal" the over day talking to a hispanic friend who listens to spanish language radio, apparently in new york and was saying that when these kind of controversies come up about donald trump and hispanics, the hosts get a number of -- lots an enlots of calls from hispanics supporting donald trump. they're opposed to illegal immigration, too. she called the radio station and talked to the host and said, yes, this is true. i would leave the door open here that what he says may well very turn out to be true about this. >> there was another poll recently showing that 82% of hispanics view donald trump unfavorably so you -- >> right. he's -- >> it's not adding up. >> he turned the unfavorables around by considerable numbers from 27% to 60-some odd percent but to show it can be done and one other thing that gloria is
saying and is right in terms of the base. rush limbaugh spent considerable time on the radio show discussing this and saying how stunned he was that it is controversial at all to defend speaking in english. and i can tell you that really will resonate with the conservative base. sort of roll their eyes at this. that is not going to help governor bush. >> katrina, has -- >> speaking english is -- >> i'm sorry. i can't hear you. >> let's not pretend the controversy is that jeb bush doesn't speak english. he speaks english. >> when was that question? >> the controversy here is that -- >> just a minute. >> he speaks spanish and mr. trump i guess finds that offensive. >> no, no, no. >> if you know more than one language and can express yourself in it, why not? i hope more people learn more languages. it is a huge asset in business, huge asset in life. >> right.
>> jeffrey, respond and then i have a question for katrina. >> sure. it's not just spanish. it's all languages. the implication here that springs from this illegal immigration situation is that the country is being forced in other words to a different culture than the one it has. the american culture. that it's being in the words of victor david hanson, ethnic triumphalism. and the side that governor bush is on that side is not helpful to him. >> so, katrina -- >> jeffrey -- >> let me ask you -- >> for $500 million because he thinks that's what it's worth to him to reach the hispanics, the spanish speaking hispanics in the united states. for jeb to set an example? maybe he should set an example and drop the suit. i don't understand why if he's so offended he would want to -- >> he is not offended. >> to be in a network. >> he is not offended. >> they broke a contract with him.
he's suing them because they -- >> right. a contract with him to carry his pageants in spanish for the spanish speakers in the united states. the people that he finds -- >> i think -- >> you don't get a pass in breaking a contract because you speak spanish. >> let me get -- let me let katrina get into the conversation. >> that's not the point. >> you have a thought. >> go ahead, katrina. >> yeah. i think the whole anti-hispanic idea that, you know, trump is universally against hispanics, the root of that really started with immigration. and the root of that started because people misinterpreted what he was saying about immigration and all of a sudden people think that trump is anti-hispanics and he is not. but all of this back and forth has caused hispanics to really truly believe that. and i get a lot of support from hispanics that tell me we understand, katrina. we support trump because we understand that that was not what he meant to say and misconstrued by the media and
others believe everything they hear and see in the media. as a hispanic woman, who has known donald trump since 2004, he is not anti-hispanics. i'm so proud of my culture. i'm so proud. i'm a cuban american. my parents came here at a very young age and i want legal immigration to work the right way and not pay for illegal immigrants and tax dollars so that they can get better health care than i can as an american. that's the point of donald trump. all of anti-hispanic stuff is just -- >> maybe, katrina, people cuban american get all of it for free under the cuban adjustment act after they come here illegally. >> first of all -- >> and set foot in the united states. >> i'm talking about -- >> can we just -- >> go ahead. >> right. people like your parents that cuban americans, many of my friends, have an advantage over other immigrants that nobody else has. there's something called the cuban adjustment act for all sorts of benl fit ice okay. so talk about the other
immigra immigrants. let's talk about the other immigrants because my husband's actually going through immigration right now and very familiar with the topic and he is doing it the legal way and costing him a llt of money and why should he do it the legal way and then people come into the country illegally and we as americans are paying because they can't afford to be here? that's all donald trump is saying. do you want your tax dollars to go to support illegal immigrants when the health insurance is bloody mess? we don't have jobs for americans in this country. >> changing the tone on immigration. because when this entire -- >> not changing his tone. >> he is changing his tone. when donald trump was out there -- >> he is not. >> more bombastic and talking about quote/unquote who's doing the raping and the rest of it, this's why -- >> what's happening is -- >> can i finish, please? >> what's happening -- >> gloria, finish. >> need to understand. >> that's why -- >> what's happening. >> go ahead. >> go ahead.
>> that is why his unfavorable rating of hispanics skyrocketed. mitt romney lost the last election. he had 27% of hispanic voters. in talking to mitt romney about that, romney was the first one to say the republican party has to do much better than i did. when george w. bush won the election, he had 43%, 44% of hispanics. the republican nominee has to do at least that well. and so at this point donald trump has to figure out a way to navigate that what is a very, very difficult terrain for him. >> i want to ask one last question to katrina before we head into a break. has donald trump said anything or done anything, though, that strikes you shockingly and which you wish he hadn't said? >> no. donald trump is donald trump. that's what people love about him. i'll tell you another thing. a lot of hispanic clients of mine told me that they're going
to vote for trump. they just don't want to go out in public and expose themselves. and this tells you right then and there they understand what he's trying to say. i'm so proud. i want to emphasize this. i'm proud of my culture an i'm a hispanic american and there's a lot of people telling me they'll vote for trump and they're hispanic. >> all right. we'll end it there and continue the conversation coming up. do stand by with me, panel. up next, breaking news, in that desperate search for the three suspected cop killers in illinois. we are getting word that a video has now been turned over that could offer a key piece of evidence. plus, breaking news involving the man behind the massacre of a charleston church. hear what the prosecutor wants to do now. we're back in a moment. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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feel lighter and more energized. ultimate flora. more power to your gut. welcome back. we have breaking news in that hunt for the three suspects in the murder of a beloved police officer near chicago. we're following the story from fox lake just north of chicago. rosa, there was an announcement about new video. what did investigators say? >> reporter: ana, this surveillance video could be key evidence, according to investigators. because, remember, up the now the only description of those suspects is very vague. two white males and a black male. here's what they tell us about the video. it was recovered from a system of a home nearby. the homeowner turning it over to police. here's the key. the fact that this surveillance video is consistent with the fact that there are three suspects in this case. now, here's what the investigator told us moments ago.
>> we have retrieved as late as last night what we believe to be some significant video. that's been turned over to the department of homeland security for processing. an i'm expecting some results from that video as late as this evening. >> reporter: now, that commander also telling us about 30 minutes ago another key piece of evidence was recovered. the gun. the officer's gun was recovered on the scene. he tells us but he will in the go into the details although he does tell us that that gun was sent over to a crime lab and that all of the evidence recovered there is also at a crime lab and then when's happening now, ana, right now, more than 100 agents in the region either following leads, looking through video or scouring this area looking for those three suspects. ana? >> of course, all this happened now almost three days ago and
the physical pieces of evidence will be huge in breaking this case. thank you. we have more breaking news. prosecutor in south carolina says the state will seek the death penalty against the alleged church shooter dylann roof the man prosecutors say admitted to gunning down nine people inside a historical black church in charleston. roof who's white facing 33 federal counts of murder including hate crimes. let's bring in phillip holloway. explain what needs to be argued in court to meet the death penalty standard in south carolina, phillip. >> nice to be with you, ana. they filed documents that said this crime meet it is definition for death penalty litigation in that state, specifically that more than one person was involved. i have said all along, i think back in june, i wrote an op-ed for cnn opinion on this and said, look, south carolina despite the fact of no hate
crime legislation is well capable of telling a jury that this was racially motivated, that this was a hate crime and that he is probably on the express lane to the death chamber and i think what i have predicted back in june is playing out in court right now. >> dylann roof at the first court appearance, we saw it, showed it here on cnn. he got forgiveness from family members of the victims who said publicly they forgave him. would the victim family members have been consulted in making a decision to move forward in the death penalty? >> in all likelihood, yes. prosecutors take into consideration the wishes of the family when they make these decisions. for example, in the james holmes trial that i know that you followed very closely in colorado, a lot of those family members opposed the state seeking the death penalty. there's a big difference between colorado and south carolina. colorado rarely uses the death penalty. south carolina is much more likely to. in fact, the governor came out
at the time saying, look, this is a death penalty case. in addition, i think it's probably too soon. i know the federal government filed charges but i feel that it's most appropriate for south carolina to prosecute this case. i think they can seek the death penl. i think they will get the death penalty. guilt or innocence is a foregone conclusion and i do think a jury probably would vote to send him to the death chamber. >> all right. we'll stay on top of it. thanks so much. >> thank you. top of the hour. thanks for roping with me. we have breaking political news at this moment. donald trump declared the pledge not to run as an independent if he does not win the gop presidential nomination. he made the announcement after a brief one on one meeting with the chairman of the republican national committee. >> the rnc has been absolutely
terrific over the last two-month period and as you know that's what i've wanted. i have wanted fairness. i don't have to be treated any differently than anybody else. i just wanted fairness from the republican party. we're leading in every single poll. a new poll came out today where we're over 30%. we've actually hit numbers as high as 35% and 40%. frankly, i felt that the absolute best way to win and to beat the democrats and very easily i think beat the democrats no matter who it may be, whether it's hillary or anybody else, and i think maybe hillary's going to have a very hard time, frankly, with when's happening getting to the starting gate, the best way for the republicans to win is if i win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up and for that reason i have signed the pledge.
i see no circumstances under which i would tear up that pledge. >> so today's cheers come in stark contrast to the scene last month when trump refused to rule out a third-party run. we know now that didn't make a difference to the popularity. the latest poll and released just this afternoon has trump with his biggest lead yet. 30%. with ben carson a surprise second at 18%. let's go to chief political correspondent dana bash who was there at trump tower making the pledge. yu have been reporting also that the pledge has been in the works for weeks. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right. this is something that has been a high priority for the republican party. even before as you just played a trump refused to vow, to stay a republican in the last debate.
it is something that republicans have been quite worried about, about him staying because of the fact that if he does at the end of the day not get the republican nomination, runs as an independent, he will have the money and maybe enough support to take enough republican votes away that the democrat could win. so that's why this is such a big priority. and even more so as trump is doing even better in the polls and what i asked trump today, ana, why -- what changed. what changed in the past few weeks since he refused to make the vow and the answer is that he is doing better in the polls and that the republicans are being nice to him. that is something we have heard him say many times before as the weeks have gone on and the private conversations, the courting i guess you would call it have been happening and now he's gotten to the point he wanted to sign the pledge. now, let's be clear. trump does have political
benefit in doing this, as well. he said he didn't get anything out of it. a great negotiator. he was asked whether he negotiated for this. he said, no. but what he did get was the ability to appeal to some of the party faithful who really care if he is a committed republican and there are a lot of grass roots republicans out there who do care, turned off by the fact he wouldn't make the vow last month. you know, i think that it's worth noting that reince priebus, the republican national committee chair, he came here to seal the deal. i'm told the meeting about 15 minutes and he was not seen which i guess is understandable because he doesn't want to look like he's favoring any of the 16, 17 republican candidates. but he was in and out and he came here and he didn't go anywhere else. he didn't go to so any other candidate. he came here and he came to donald trump's turf. that was not an accident when it comes to donald trump. >> we saw kind of at the end of
the pretsz conference donald trump say, oh, we'll fix that. somebody pointed out something on the pledge. was there something wrong about what was already on that pledge? >> reporter: there was. he held up the pledge at the end so because he's understands performance and understands camera angles and the media. he held it up so everybody could get a picture and when he did, i and a few other people noticed it said august 3rd. i said, did you sign it before? this is the revised version. it said august 3rd and looked down and up and said something along the lines of, well, i didn't write the date. i just signed it. but then they were handing out revised versions. >> that's already corrected. >> reporter: sort of. >> time business fly. that's for sure. we appreciate your reporting. there's this new monmouth poll showing one person beating
trump potentially. dr. ben carson to beat him and everyone else trump beats soundly and trump pointed out this is about the poll results. >> you know, one of the things i'm most uphonored about is everybody that attacked me gone down the tubes. graham attacked me. he was at 3%. now 0. perry is getting out of the race. he was at 4% or 5%. he was at 0. >> let's bring in cnn political commentator buck sexton. also joining us, trump supporter and former contestant q"the acontestant" and the president of the united states hispanic chamber of commerce. buck, let's look to september 16th and cnn holding the next gop debate. how do these other candidates prepare to go in to that debate and potentially go after donald trump? >> well, i think a lot of them learned that going after trump
doesn't pay much in the way of benefits. i'll actually surprised that some of the gop candidates haven't taken more of a page of the book of trump speaking out very plainly on issues that mat tore the conservative base. >> they have. scott walker, jeb bush. >> but it's not -- >> it's hurting them. >> they haven't been able to camp on in their own way speaking about the issues. what i mean is they're not looking at trump doing well, how he's appealing to the conservative base and trying to copy that. there's a sense of them too stage managed, too crafted and that's why they haven't caught on yet. trump needs to stay out ahead because the biggest advantage he has, the very fractured gop side of the aisle right now, so many that want to be, so many possibilities that as that narrows down seeing somebody neck and neck be donald trump, dr. ben carson is close. >> getting close. >> it looks less inevitable and may have trouble. he needs to keep the momentum.
the rest need to shine themselves instead of attacking trump. >> they can't beat him at his own game. >> honestly, trying is going to be difficult for a lot of them. if they get in trouble if they do this. >> javier, you had a meeting with donald trump just this week. >> yeah. >> you probably sensed, heard the comments of jeb bush speaking spanish to voters saying that jeb bush should speak english because we're in america. what is your response? >> thanks, ana. i did meet with donald. we meet for an hour and a half at his request. i have to say that the donald i met with was very different than the donald i see in front of the cameras. this was a donald that listened more than he talked, that was inquisitive, willing to listen to our position on immigration reform. ultimately, my goal was to get him to begin to look at immigration reform as an economic imperative and get him more aligned with our
association's views on immigration reform. i think we made a bit of headway there. and secondly, to get donald to agree to come to our question and answer series we'll be holding october the 8th in front of the live media in washington, d.c. for about a 90-minute q & a with me. i can tell you that as it relates to that specific issue, i find myself in disagreement with donald. i think what jeb bush is doing is exactly right. he's illustrating that the republican party has a part for appreciation for the fact that america is a very multi-cultural country and great strength in the diversity. >> katrina, we heard javier say he met with a man that isn't the same in front of the camera. donald trump showed different sides. what do you make with that comment when you say that what you see is what you get with donald trump? >> w