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numbers in key early states. the fallout from the second debate could be the most important piece of that spending decision. thanks for sharing your sunday morning. "state of the union" with jake tapper live from the reagan library starts right now. with just three days until cnn's debate, we are live from the reagan library. who will break out from the pack, who will take on frontrunner donald trump? an inside look at what to expect on the main stage. then, governor scott walker in iowa he once reigned supreme. can he reclaim the throne? >> we want someone who will fight and win and get results, then i'm the candidate. >> plus, a rival goes nuclear on trump. >> just because a lot of people like watching kim kardashian,
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you wouldn't put her in the white house either. i'll ask reince priebus live. and insights from the campaign trail. hello. i'm jake tapper at the ronald reagan library where the state of the union is ready to rumble. in three days, the republican candidates will take the stage here. and you can expect an even fooisier exchange this time around. donald trump, his strongest lead yet. 32% of republican voters say they would choose him and half expect him to emerge as the winner of the primary race. the other candidates have taken note and ready to take aim at the top. governor george pataki refusing to support trump if he's the
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candidate. and others are knocking donald trump as a celebrity. >> i think donald trump is an entertainer. and i think i am a leader. and so what i do is talk to the american people about the issues they care about. and i think they hear what i'm talking about. >> with every jab at his fame, trump's poll numbers seem to only rise. for one candidate seemingly impervious lead in iowa this year has vanished faster than a fried snickers bar at the state fair. governor walker, thanks so much for joining me. appreciate it. >> glad to be with you. >> you were once poll-wise, the king of iowa, the prohibitive favorite to win there. this week a new poll has you in tenth place with just 3% in the polls out there. down from double digits in july.
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the conservative national review wrote a big piece about you saying there are questions about your cam pain. quote, the walker team has had a way of creating more fiascos. unanswered or treated with hostility. how do you respond to that? is your campaign faltering? >> the bottom line is, we get around this state. we're going through this weekend through our 30th county out of 99. we're putting in the time in the grass roots. when people hear or story about how we have a plan to wreak havoc on washington. we've actually been tested. we're convinced in a state where caucuses are the name of the game and it's about five months out, we've got the time to get that message out. >> you started off and people seem to be buying that and maybe they're not buying it as much. republicans are telling me privately is that you sometimes don't take positions on important issues of the day. take a listen.
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>> do you think that being gay is a choice? >> i mean, i think that's -- that's not even an issue for me to be involved in. >> you're actually not for ending birthright citizenship? >> i'm not taking a position on it one way or another. >> everybody wants to talk about hypotheticals. there is no such thing as a hypothetical. >> republican voters are choosing a nominee based on their positions on the issues. why in these cases are you not giving your opinion? >> we're actually talking about things people are really talking about. when i go around the country -- i was just in new hampshire last week, what people want to talk about is the economy, they want to talk about our plan to appeal obamacare. i'm the only candidate who actually has a plan to repeal obamacare. >> this election seems to be, at least right now, about embracing outsiders. republicans liking donald trump and dr. ben carson and carly fiorina, people who have never
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before held elective office. we just saw governor rick perry drop out. you have spent a lifetime working in politics and government. why should voters -- and how are you going to convince them that you're the right choice when they're desperate for somebody who is not part of politics in government? >> they actually want someone who can get the job done. all these other folks can talk all they want. remember, barack obama had never run anything in government before. i've run things. i've actually got things done. if you want someone who will fight and win, not just win three elections in four years, but win and get results without compromising, common sense conservative principles, then i'm the candidate. i've shown i can take on those same powerful special interests. they spent almost $100 million trying to take me out. >> i respect that you've taken
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on democratic special interests in wisconsin, but you've been backed by republican special interests like the koch brothers. how does that square with what you're taking about taking on special interests? >> i'm talking on the ones in washington. i didn't just take on the unions and democrats early on. people like state senator scott fitzgerald. there were some senators who didn't want to do the kind of reforms. i'm willing to take on anyone. i understood up to 100,000 protestors. i took on the death threats. we pushed back when they took us to federal and state court. they went after me in a recall election and we won. and they made me the number one target in america last year. >> aren't the koch brothers special interests too? can you give me one time you took on a conservative special interest? >> when i took on the $100
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million or so, i raised $80 million in three elections in four and a half years. 70% of that came from people who gave me $75 or less. we've raised it from more than 300,000 donors in 50 states. that's actually listening to the hard working people all across the country who say they want a leader who's going to stand up and take on the special interests. the folks in washington, i've spoken out about my frustration with obamacare. about things like planned parenthood, which i defunded years ago. we did it in a blue state. there's no reason why it can't be done in washington. i blame some of that on the leadership in congress. as president, i'm going to step up and lead for all america and we're going to get things done no matter who stands in the way. >> even if you do get the nomination, it seems likely you'll be facing former secretary of state hillary
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clinton. listen to what hillary clinton had to say when she was in the badger state earlier this week. >> governor walker has made it his personal mission to roll back womens health and rights. he did defund planned parenthood. and even though women in wisconsin are still paid less than men, with women of color making even less, scott walker repealed protections for equal pay. maybe he just doesn't realize %-p are shortchanged and wisconsin and america are shortchanged. >> a little preview for you there governor if you do get the nomination. how are you going to respond to scare clinton talking about you opposing equal pay and opposing women's health care. >> well, health care is not telling the truth.
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i think increasingly americans across this country realize we can't trust hillary clinton to tell the truth on just about anything. wisconsin has a law that prohibits discrimination in the workplace. i've enforced that law. i'll push for enforcing laws like that all across the country. when it comes to women's health care, she's just got it wrong. we've seen the videos. i think most americans are disgusted with what they saw in those videos. we took that money and put it out to provide for women's health. this is just a classic example where you just can't trust hillary clinton. >> you recently wrote an op-ed tieing president obama to cop killings around the country. you wrote, under president obama we've seen a rise in anti-police rhetoric. instead of hope and change, we've seen racial tensions worsened. this inflammatory and disgusting rhetoric has real consequences for the safety of officers who
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put their lives on the line for us and hampers the communities that need their help. can you elaborate on how president obama has played a role in the murder of police officers? >> i think his absence of leadership, of speaking out on this issue. as a leader, doesn't matter whether you're a governor, a mayor, president of the united states. when people are going after the men and women in uniform, whether they're a police officer or sheriff's deputy, state trooper, the people overwhelm g overwhelmingly doing the right thing every day, putting their lives on the line to keep us safe, it is the duty of the president to stand up and say something about that. i'm going to have the backs of the men and women who carry the badge. i know the overwhelming majority of them are doing the right thing every day under extremely difficult circumstances. i'm proud to say i'm the only governor in america who signed a
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law that says there needs to be an independent investigation any time there's a death of someone in police custody. why? it's good for the police, it's good for the public. if someone's following the rules and following the training they were given, then that will be upheld. where someone's not, they need to be held accountable. i understand that and we need to address that. but we need a president who first and foremost says law enforcement professionals across this country are doing the job, we need them to keep us safe. and he has been silent on this and that's an outrage. >> i have heard president obama praise police officers. but i'm assuming you're saying he's -- >> he's praised them, but he's not speaking out about the fact that this rhetoric -- when you have people say pigs in a blanket at a rally, fry them up like bacon, that's the kind of thing you need to speak out about. i was just in texas about a week and a half ago, couple days
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before that in haircrris county there was a deputy sheriff shot 15 times. why? because the sheriff said they believe that the suspect went after him did so just because he was in uniform. we need leaders, we need clergy and business and other leaders in the community saying enough is enough. these are the men and women we need to stand up and protect us. we need to make sure they have the training. we need to increase and improve relations for sure. but we cannot have anymore of this idea that it's okay to go after law enforcement because they have a uniform and have a badge. >> president obama recently announcing the u.s. will be taking in 10,000 syrian refugees over the next year. you have said you do not think the u.s. should be taking in refugees from syria. tell me why the u.s. should not be accepting more of these individuals fleeing this brutal rule of president assad and the
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heinous attacks of isis? >> very few have covered the fact that within the past year, america has taken and settled -- permanently settled some 70,000 refugees, many of which are from syria. we've put some $4 billion into humanitarian relief to help with the syrian crisis. america is leading. but at some point, you got to address the problem. and the problem is squarely with isis and with assad. this president three years ago drew a red line in the sand and allowed it to be crossed. he's not allowing our military personnel to do what they're trained to do in places like iraq. if we would empower the other 3,000 troops that are there to help the sunnis take over the territory taken by isis. >> i have officially reviewed all the republican presidential
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candidates. i look forward to seeing you on the stage wednesday at the reagan library. >> see you on wednesday. thank you very much. coming up, a new round of attacks on donald trump and they're coming from inside the party. can the republicans get behind their frontrunner if he wins? i'll ask reince priebus text. so you're a small business expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep it all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberry apple scones smell about done. ahh, you're good. i like to bake. add new business services with at&t and get up to $500 in total savings.
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principles. he or she must make the case for the cause of conservativetism more than the cause of their own celebrity. >> joining me now is republican national committee chairman reince priebus. mr. chairman, thanks for joining us. i can't recall a presidential race where the frontrunner was throwing and receiving so many elbows just this morning, governor george pataki released a statement in which he's basically saying he's refusing to support donald trump if he's a republican nominee. this comes on the heels of an interview in which louisiana governor bobby jindal, also running for president, rereetedly refused to pledge to support trump if he got the nomination. are you concerned at all? >> no. i'm not concerned. you know what, every candidate in all these campaigns are going
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to do whatever they need to do in order to benefit their own campaigns. i suspect that there will be a lot more things happening over the next several weeks. they're all going to have an opportunity on wednesday, and you're going to be in the middle of it, jake. one of the undiscussed issues is just controlling the debate and making sure everyone has an ability to speak. there will probably be more elbows thrown at that debate. i suspect that it will be a great night and a good opportunity for those campaigns to make their voices more heard and they can speak to each other about it. >> i guess i'll get a taste what it's like to be reince priebus. >> only for a couple hours. >> when former governor perry dropped out of the presidential race, senator rand paul posed this question on twitter, quote, what does it say about gop when a 3.5 term governor with a
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successful record of creating jobs bows out as a reality star leads in the polls. that's a question from a republican senator and presidential candidate. what does it say about the state of the republican party, mr. priebus? >> it says we've got 17 candidates running. and just by attrition, you're going to have people dropping out. look, there's not enough hard cash to go around to pay campaigns in these states in order to keep 17 candidates alive. that's just the way it is. so people are going to drop out and eventually we're going to get a nominee. my job is to make sure when we have a nominee that we're ready to go and we can beat hillary clinton who's already under 40% and over 60% of the american people say they don't trust her. i think we're in a great place as a party. i think this is ours to lose. but we have to make sure that we continue down this path of building up the infrastructure, building up our operation at the
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national level, and making sure we put a candidate on the ballot that people like, that people want to have a beer with, that people believe have a great vision for this country. and you team that up with a much better operation on the ground this time around, i think we're going to win and this is just part of the process. >> as you know, mr. priebus, many republicans are very concerned about the tone and tenor of the republican race, especially when it comes to how latinos are hearing this republican race. governor perry raised this in his farewell address. he said, quote, demeaning people of hispanic heritage is not just ignorant, it betrays the example of christ. are you at all concerned that any of your candidates are crossing the line whether it comes to talking about latinos to the point that it might actually cost you the white house? >> well, look, i've said many times the way you communicate and tone is very important. sometimes it's not what you say,
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but it's how you say it. i think all of our moms have told us that. but, look, you know, all these candidates are going to have to account for their own mouths and their own words. if you go back to 2012, it wasn't anything another candidate said, whether it be the 47% or whether it be, you know, self-deportation, it was the nominee's words that came back into play. i think at the end of the day, each candidate is going to be accountable for their own words and their own mouth. so they should proceed with caution. >> as you know from visiting the reagan library, it's an amazing experience and one of the reasons it is because it really captures well reagan's sunny optimism, which is one of the reasons he won so overwhelmingly in 1980 and 1984. when you walk through the reagan library, the united states doesn't seem like the quote,
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hell hole that donald trump has described it as. trump's not the only one that is i think not really channelling reagan when it comes to talking about how great this country is. are you worried at all that the republican candidates have been too doom and gloom when they talk about the united states? that maybe they could benefit from some of the reagan cheer? >> reagan's cheer comes from reagan's work. he was one of the greatest presidents that we've ever had in this country. you go back to a time of ronald reagan where this attitude was present. i don't believe you can just take the feeling of the reagan library and claim that that's the feeling that we have today. i mean, each era has a different feeling. i think at this point, a lot of people out there across this country are concerned about their futures. if you look at the polling, there's a reason why, in spite of your questions that you've asked, there's a reason why almost all of our candidates
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right now are beating hillary clinton head to head. it's because they don't think that this country's on the right path. certainly, i do believe that we're a blessed nation, that we're a blessed people. that we have the -- the blessing as a family to be in a wonderful place. and that we want this country not just be great, but we want it to be a place that can achieve even better things in the future. certainly, we are happy and cheery and we're -- we're -- we have a feeling of gratitude to be in america. but i think like all of us, we want to be in a better place than we are today. that's the attitude we ought to have as a party. >> republican national committee chairman, reince priebus, i will see you on wednesday night here. thank you so much for joining us. >> we're counting on you, jake. >> thank you. when we come back, secrets of the stage. we're going to take you behind the scenes here at the reagan
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welcome back. we're at the ronald reagan library and museum where hundreds of cnn staffers are hard at work getting ready for wednesday night's big debate. it's really something. we thought we would give you an insider's tour. >> the debate may be three days away, but it is all systems go here at the reagan library. this is it, the stage where all the magic is going to happen on wednesday night at the ronald reagan museum and library. you can see workers getting the stage ready. we're all getting prepared for what could be a mow men to us evening in presidential politics. >> the republican candidates will have this as their backdrop, air force one.
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>> this is the plane that flew president reagan. >> it's one of many impressive pieces of presidential memo memorabilia on display here at the reagan library. they say air force one was always fully stocked. there was anything on there particular to president reagan? >> he loved chocolate cake. >> more than 350,000 people each year visit the library to pay their respects to our 40th president. he was laid here to rest in california facing westward so he can forever look out towards the pacific. >> a real piece of the berlin wall. came down in 1991. >> inside the museum, an exact replica of reagan's oval office complete with a jar of jelly beans. >> he gave up smoking. >> so whenever he had a -- >> he had jelly bellies
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welcome back to our special episode of "state of the union." we are at the reagan library california. just three days and counting now from round two. how much will the candidates go after the man who will be front center, donald trump. joining me, van jones, cnn chief political correspondent da na
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bash and cnn political commentator anna navarro. dana and hugh will be joining me as panelists wednesday night. the candidates are going to be here the. what are you going to be listening for? >> someone needs to break out of the pack if they're going to catch up to donald trump. the nfl start this weekend. it's going to get a lot of the attention span of the country. this is really the last opportunity for the ten not named donald to try and make themselves the alternative to donald trump. >> anna, you are a friend of marco rubio. a supporters and friend of governor bush. both of whom will be on stage. duke they need to step it up a little bit and make the contrast with donald trump more? >> i think they do. i think they need to do like emeril lagasse. they need to have energy. they need to have good comebacks.
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i think they need to use a sense of humor. they need to not only have good answers, but good moments. memorable moments that people will be talking about the next day. >> van jones, what are you going to be listening for? >> carly fiorina. i'm probably -- i've actually had to debate her before on live televisi television. her mind is so sharp it should be registered as a weapon. okay? she is not to be trifled with. she destroyed everybody on the stage last time on the small stage. if donald trump looks at her, it is going to be thermo nuclear. >> we should have you doing the promos for this debate. getting very exciting. speaking of going nuclear. take a listen to bobby jindal who unleashed this week going after donald trump. take a listen. >> donald trump is not a serious
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candidate. he's a narcissist. the only thing he believes in is himself. >> dana, jindal's tough words came the same week that rick perry, the longest serving governor in the history of texas, dropped out. what's going on here? >> dropped out and not only that. i actually spent a little bit of time with him in austin before he left the governor's mansion. with him not just doing interviews, but also watching him behind the scenes try to get donors to come his way. which at the beginning worked, then it fizzled obviously big time. but i think that this is a perfect example of how timing in politics in everything. if he were prepared and didn't have an oops moment last time around, that was his time. they were looking for somebody with the record and the personality and the charm. and this time around, he studied so hard, jake. he studied policy.
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he studied performance. he studied with the shakes peer theater. somebody who started the theater tutored him in debating. it got him nowhere. >> as a republican that did not support him last time or this time, i'm really glad he did it. he went out there, he was a better candidate. he was great on the stump. he was much more prepared and i think he gave it his all. he left it all on the field and coming out with class. >> do you think these comments from bobby jindal and earlier today george pataki in which he said he was not going to vote for donald trump, are these -- these two guys are obviously on the undercard stage. is it going to have an impact? >> you get one ticket out of the first debate into the second. that's what happened last time. they're all playing for that ticket up and hoping that
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someone falls down. governor jindal was also on my show this week. they're all upping their game. i do believe it's going to go downhill in terms of attention span of the country as the fall crowds in, as school starts, as football starts, as the buckeyes make their march, everything starts to turn away from politics. >> anna, these are some really, really strong words. bobby jindal basically said that donald trump was dangerous and you couldn't trust his finger on the nuclear codes. should trump get the nomination? >> i think they're trying to get out of the pack. i think that this is a hail mary attempt by bobby jindal who we have not spoken about for the last month, two months, to try to get himself some attention. i'm not a trump supporters, yet i will tell you i find it a little sad that in order for a
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sitting governor to get some attention, he's got to do an entire press event around going after donald trump. >> i agree that it was a complete hail mary. having said that, he's also trying to be the grown-up in the room which is kind of ironic because he's one of the youngest candidates. look, i'm going to say what nobody else in the establishment is going to say. i'm going to do it. the problem is, you know, that -- at this point, it's a test with donald trump. either you love him or hate -- >> rick perry called donald trump a cancer on conservatism. >> that's right. except that he was talking about his policies and politics. jindal -- >> he called him a narcissist. called him a hot head. >> carnival barker. he is doing it intentionally on the personality not the politics because he saw -- he actually told me, he saw that the politics argument didn't work, that people didn't -- >> van last thought?
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>> i think that -- i agree with you. jindal actually has a record of rick perry -- i didn't like everything he d but he actually did create jobs, you can't cut through on politics anymore. we now have a personality primary. >> the rolling stone interview, they summed it up, donald trump is winning because he's not them. it's not about policy. everyone wants to be in that category of not them. we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, joe biden getting emotional as he talks about possibly running for president while grieving for his son bo. it's the most candid conversation since the death of bo. e splenda®... calorie sweetener. splenda® lets you experience... ...the joy of sugar... ...without all the calories. think sugar, say splenda®
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welcome back. we're at the ronald reagan library in california. just a few days ahead of the next republican debate which is going to air here on cnn. you can bet the democrats in the race for 2016 are going to be watching the stage closely taking notes. let's bring back our great panel to talk more about this. van, let me start with a very moving moment when vice president biden went on steven colbert's new late show and talked about the difficulty he was having making a decision about running for president while still groving his son bo. >> i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be president. two, they can look at the folks out there and say, i promise you, you have my whole heart, my whole soul and energy and passion to do this.
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i'd be lying if i said that i knew i was there. >> it's a heartbreaking interview. i recommend for those who haven't seen it to go online and check it out. you can't buy that kind of candor and authenticity. >> look, i mean, something happened to the democratic base this week with joe biden because of that interview. i've heard from people all across the country that that is the kind of authenticity that we need. this is not a politics primary. it's not a policy primary. this has become a personality primary. and it's about authenticity. there's nobody >> i think he accidentally drew a sharp contrast with hillary clinton, who i love, but hillary clinton has had a tough road in public life. she has become more armored because of it. he has had a tough road in his personal life and he's become more human. i think the pressure for him to get in now is greater than thes
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ever been. >> the problem is he is human. it's not just about politics. it's about what he just described. about the angst. to me it didn't sound like somebody who had it in mihis het and gut to do what he needs to do. he has done it twice before, run for president. he knows what he needs to do. maybe he is a politician and the pressure and ground-swell that you're talking about will overwhelm him. he didn't sound like he had the fire. >> hugh, bernie sanders is rising in the polls now before than he was. he's ahead in new hampshire definitively but he's at 41% to hillary clinton's 40% in iowa. within the margin of error. still i would rather be 41 than 40. is the authenticity issue hurting her? the progressive politics, the email scandal? >> i think van jones sent a tremor through them. that was heart felt endorsement
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of biden but not an endorsement. the new labor leered said the new left will not be assuaged by other than authenticity. "the new york times" reports today that the emails she thought she deleted were not deleted. that's good for her. if they all prove to be official, it will back up her story and make her believable. but when those 33,000 hit, independent inspector, if they find any that are the government that she attempted to delete, she is done. so it's a big week for her. >> ana, i want to play sound here. hillary clinton trying to shore up her leftward flank, facing the challenge from bernie sanders and contrasting that with something she just said a couple days ago. >> i take a back seat to no one when you look at my record in standing up and fighting for progressive values. >> i get accused of being kind of moderate and center. i plead guilty.
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>> so, kind of a mixed message? >> you think? [ laughter ] >> look, i think -- i think -- i think the problem is she comes across as so poll-tested. the contrast with biden this week was lethal. you had a guy showing raw emotion and opening up his heart and his sorrow to the country. as somebody who lost a brother and saw my parents go through this, i have to tell you this was not partisan. i was sobbing into a pillow. on the other hand you've got a hillary clinton making a really forced attempt at learning how to name it and show humor on the "ellen" show. it's not a good contrast. they seem not to understand that authenticity and spontaneity cannot be planned for scripted. >> what i like about her, she comes out and says i am a moderate. >> you can't tell me you liked
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her version of the nae nae. >> my kids are better at it. she does it better than me. i can't argue with her about that. that said, if she is a moderate, be a moderate. tell bernie sanders where he's wrong and stick up for what she believes in. i think she needs to become who she truly is. >> that's our panel for the day. coming up a great debate usually features a couple memorable lines. who is responsible for the best ones of all time? that when we come back. this is big.
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welcome back. here at the reagan library in simi valley, california. our 40th president's legacy is celebrated. the current crop of republican candidates don't need this. he's a living legend to them. this week's "state of the cartoonian." this year marks the 75th anniversary of the classic ronald reagan film "newt rock me all american" where he played george gip, also known as the gypper. he brought the line out at the 1998 presidential convention urging americans to back george h.w. bush to succeed him. >> one personal request. go out and win one for the gi gipper. >> his debate lines are the stup of gop legends.
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in 1980 new hampshire primary debate with george h.w. bush reagan took on the moderator thre thus showing strength to republican voters. this moment stood out in his successful run against president carter and this against walter mondale four years later. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> it is interesting to say the least to see this current crop of candidates compare themselves with the conservative icon. >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> one wonders how this will manifest itself wednesday at the debate here at the reagan library. see you then. ♪ thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. you can catch me here every sunday and weekdays on "the lead," and you can watch me moderating the debate right here on cnn starting at 6:00 p.m.
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