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>> we are all out of time for today. state of the union with jake tapper starts now. upon. >> with just three days until the reagan debate, who will break out from the pack and take on donald trump. >> he believes he can insult his way to the presidency. >> what are to expect on the main stage. governor scott walker in iowa. he once reigned supreme. can he reclaim the throne?
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>> someone who can fight and get results. >> our ux cluesive interview. a rival goes nuclear on trump. >> just because a lot of people like to watch the car dar yashs, you went put them in the white house. >> the best political team on television will be here with invites in the trail. >> hello, i'm jake tapper at the ronald reagan library where the state of the union is ready to rumble. in days the candidates the take the stage here in california and you can expect a feistier eh change. donald trump has the strongest lead yet. 32% of voters said they would choose the billionaire to be the nominee and half expect him to emerge as the winner. the others have taken note and
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are ready to take aim at the top. new this morning, george pataki refusing to support trump if he is the nominee. others are knocking donald trump as a celebrity. >> i think donald trump is an entertainer. i think i am a leader. what i do is talk to the american people about the issues they care about. i think they hear what i'm talking about. >> with every jab at his people to, trump's poll numbers seem to rise. with one candidate's lead vanished faster than a fried snickers bar at the state fair. governor walker, thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> feels like a college game day event. >> you were once, poll-wise, the king of iowa.
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the favorite to win there at the top of the polls for months. this week a new poll has you in tenth place with just 3% in the polls down from double-digits. the conservative national review wrote a piece saying there were questions about your campaign and the walker team as a way of following pattern and they're often allowed to hang with our without clarifications that are unanswered or treated with hostility. is your tam pain faltering? >> we get around the state and we are going through the 30th county oust 99. we are putting in the time and the grass roots. when people hear about our plan to wreak havoc on washington and see that we have anybody else in the race, caucuses are the name of the game. we are about five months out and we have the time to make the connection.
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>> you started off and people seem to be buying that and maybe they are not buying it as much. one of the things they tell you privately is you don't take positions on important issues of the day. take a listen. >> do you think being gay is a choice? >> that's not an issue for me to be involved in. >> you are not for ending citizenship? >> i'm not taking a position. >> what would you do to address the migrants? >> everyone wants to talk about hypotheticals. there is no such thing. >> they are choosing the nominee based on the issues. why in these cases are you not giving an opinion? >> we are talking about things people really talk about. you want to talk about all sorts of things. when i go around the country, i'm spending the second here and people want to talk about the economy and the plan to repeal obamacare. i am the only candidate in wednesday's debate who has a
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plan to repeal obamacare. >> the election seems to be right now about embracing outsiders and republicans liking donald trump and ben carson and fiorina. we just saw rick perry, the longest serving governor dropped out. you spent a lifetime working in government. why should voters and how are you going to convince them that you are the right choice when they are desperate for someone who is not part of politics and government? >> they want someone who can get the job done. barack obama had never run anything in government before and we see what a lousy president he has been in terms of running things. i run things. i got things done. if you want someone who will fight and win and not just win three elections in four of years. compromising common sense and i
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am the candidate. i can take on the special interests and they spent three elections, almost $100 million and the liberal special interest in washington. >> i respect that you have taken on liberal special interests, but you have been backed by the koch brothers. how does that square with what you are saying about taking on special interests. >> i'm taking on the ones in washington. i have been taking on the unions and democrats. there was great support and some from the senate and there were some senators including some in the leadership. i am willing to take on anyone. i stood up to the protesters and took on the threats for my family and we pushed back. we pushed back when they went after the senator. they went after me and they made me the number one target in america last year.
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>> aren't the koch brothers special interest too? can you give me an example of one time you cook on a conservative special interest? >> when i took on the $100 billion or so, i raised $80 million in three elections and people gave me $75 or less. we raised it from more than 300,000 donors. that's not allegiance to group or the other, but listening to the hard, wooing people who said they want a leader who is going to stand up and take on the special interest. the folks in washington, i have spoken up about my frustration about obamacare and things like planned parenthood which i defunded more than four years ago long before the videotapes. we did it in a blue state and there is no reason why it can't be done and i bla that blame on theed leader should be and the congress. i will lead for all of america and we will get things done no
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matter who stands in the way. >> it does seem likely that you will be facing former secretary of state hillary clinton. you defined the planned parenthood as governor. she was in the badger state earlier this week. >> governor walker made it his personal mission to roll back women's health and rights. he did defund planned parenthood and women in wisconsin are still paid less than men. with women of color making even less. scott walker repealed protections for equal pay. maybe he just doesn't realize that when women are short changed, entire families are short changed and wisconsin and america are short changed. >> a preview for you there if you do get the nomination. how will you respond to secretary clinton talking about you opposing equal pay and
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women's health care? >> hillary clinton like she is is not telling the truth. americans realize we can't trust hillary clinton to tell the truth. that's a good example of it. wisconsin has a law that prohibits discrimination in the workplace and i pushed to enforce that law. when it comes to women's health care, she got it wrong. we took the money out of the hands of planned parenthood. most americans are disgusted with what they saw. we took that money and put it out to provide for women's health. this is just a classic example where you can't trust i hillary clinton. >> you wrote an op ed tying president obama to cop killings. you wrote under president obama we have seen a rise in rhetoric and instead of open change, we have seen tensions and lawsing
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law enforcement as a scapegoat. they have consequences for the safety of officers who put their lives on the line for us and hamper the communities that need their respect. that is a very serious charge. you can elaborate on how president obama played a role in the murder of police officers? >> i think hads absence of leadership and speak out as a leader. doesn't matter whether you are governor or period of the united states, when people are going after the men and women in uniform and whether they are a police officer or state trooper, the people who are doing the right thing every day, putting their lives on the line to keep us safe in communities across america, it is the duty of the president to say something about that and speak up. i will have the backs of the men and women who carry the badge and wear the uniform. i know the majority are doing the right thing under extremely difficult circumstances and the rare instances if they are not,
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i'm proud to say i'm the only governor in america and the first and the only who signed a law that said there needs to be an independent investigation any time there is a death of anyone in police custody. it's good for the police and good for the public. if someone is following the rules and the training they were given, that will be upheld and in the instance they are not, they need to be held accountable. i understand that and we need to address that. we need a president who says that law enforcement professionals are doing the job and we need them to keep us safe and he has been silent on this and that's an outrage. >> i have heard president obama praise police officers, but i'm assuming you are saying -- >> he is praising them, but not speaking out about the rhetoric. when you have people say pigs in a blanket at a rally prime up like bacon, you need to speak out and say that is wrong.
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we saw it about a week and a half ago and a couple days before that in harris county. there was a deputy sheriff shot 15 times while he was filling up his gas tank. the sheriff believed that the suspect that went after him did so because he was in uniform. in our society we need leaders to elect and we need leaders saying enough is enough. these are the men and women and we need them to stand up and have the training and they follow-through. we need to increase and improve relations for sure, but cannot have any more of this idea that it's okay to go after law enforcement because they wear the uniform and have a badge. >> president obama recently announcing that the u.s. will be taking in 10,000 syrian refugees over the next year. you do not think the u.s. should take in refugees. why should they not accept more
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individuals fleeing this brutal role of president assad and the attacks of isis. >> we are already a leader in this regard. very few have covered in the past past year america has settled some 70,000 refugees, many from syria and throughout the last several years, we put $4 billion to help with the crisis. america is leading, but at some point you can't look at the symptoms. you have to address the problem. the problem is squarely with is and i with assad. this president drew a red line in the sand and allowed it to be crossed. he called isis the jv squad and not allowing them to do things like train in iraq. if we were to power the over 3,000 troops to do what they are trained to do to help the curds and the sunni allies. >> you will be happy to hear
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with this interview, i interviewed all of the republican presidential candidates and i look forward to seeing you on the stage on wednesday at the reagan library. thank you very much for joining us. >> see you on wednesday. thank you very much. >> coming up, a new round of attacks on donald trump and they are coming from inside the party. can the republicans get behind their front-runner if he wins? i will ask the republican national chairman next. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back. what you do with it is up to you. tylenol®.
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>> welcome back to state of the union. live at the reagan library in simi valley, california, we have seen the first casualty of the race. former texas governor rick perry dropped out, but not before warning republicans that they nominate donald trump at their own peril. >> the conservative movement has
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always been about principals and not personalities. our nominee should embody those principals. he or she must make the case for the cause of conservative celebrity. >> joining me now is chairman privas. i can't recall a presidential race where the front-runner was throwing and receiving so many elbows. just this morning george pataki received a statement where he is refusing to support donald trump if he is the nominee. he will not vote for donald trump. this comes on the interviews in which governor bobby jindal refused to ledge pledge to support trump if he wins the nomination. you got the candidates to sign
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the loyalty pledges. are you concerned? are. >> i'm not concerned. every candidate and all the campaigns will do whatever they need to do in order to benefit their own campaigns. i suspect that there will be a lot more things happening over several weeks. they will have an opportunity on wednesday and you will be in the middle of it. one of the undiscussed issues is you controlling the debate and everyone having an ability to speak and there will be more elbows thrown at that debate and you will have your hands full. it will be a great opportunity for the cam wanes to make your voices heard and you can speak to each other. >> they dropped out of the race
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and posed this question on twitter. what does it say about gop with the governor with a successful governor bounced out as a reality star leads in the polls. that's a question from a republican senator and candidate. what does it say about the state of the republican party. >> we have 17 candidates running. by attrition, you have people dropping out. there is not enough hard cash to go around to pay to keep 17 candidates alive. that's just the way it is. we will get a nominee and my job is to make sure when we have a nominee that we are ready to go and we can beat hillary clinton who is over 40% and 60% of the american people say we will trust him. we have to make sure that we
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continue down the path of building the infrastructure and the infrastructure and put a candidate on the ballot that people like and want to have a beer with and have a vision for the country and team it up with a much better operation on the ground. i think we are going to win and this is part of the process. many republicans are concerned about the tone and tenor of the race when it comes to how latinos are raising this. demeaning people of hispanic heritage with christ. are you at all concerned that any of your candidates are crossing the line when it comes to talking about latinos to the point that it might cost you the
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white house? . >> i said many times the way you communicate in tone is important and it's not what you say, but how you say it. all of our moms have told us that. look, all these candidates are going to have to could for their own words. if you go back to 2012, it wasn't that another was said. it's not the 27% or self deportation, but the nominee's words came back in the play. at the end of the day, each is going to be accountable for their own words and own mouth and they should proceed with caution. >> as you know from visiting, it's an amazing experience and one of the reasons it is is because it captures reagan's sunny optimisms. that's one of the reasons he won
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in 1980 and 1984. when you walk through, the united states doesn't seem like the hell hole that donald trump described it as. trump is not the only that is i think not really channelling reagan when it comes to how great the country is. are you worried that they are doom and gloom. maybe they can benefit from the reagan cheer. >> that comes from reagan's work. he was one of the greatest presidents. you go to the reagan library and you go back and i don't believe you can take the feeling of the library and in perpetuity, that's the feeling we have today. each has a different feeling. a lot of people around the country are concerned about their futures.
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there is a reason why. in spite of your questions that you asked, there is a reason why that almost all of the candidates are beating hillary clinton head to head. they don't think this country is on the right path and we can do better. i do believe we are a blessed nation and a blessed people. we have the blessing as a family to be in a wonderful place and we want the country not just to be great, but be a place to achieve better things in the future. we can be happy and cheery and have a feeling of gratitude to be in america. we want to be in a better place and that's the attitude we ought to have as a party. >> i will see you on wednesday night here thank you very much for joining us. >> we are counting on you, jake. >> thank you.
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what could be a moment us evening in presidential politics. the republicans will have this as a backdrop. air force one. >> it's one of many impressive pieces of presidential memorability on display here at the reagan library. they said air force one was always fully stocked. >> anything particular to president reagan? >> he loved chocolate cake. >> people visit to see the setting and pay respects to the 40th president. he was laid here to rest facing westward to look out over the pacific. >> a real piece of the berlin wall came down and he was here when we received the piece. >> a replica of reagan's oval office with a jar of jelly bellies that he always kept at
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>> welcome back to our special episode, state of the union we are three days and counting from round two of the next debate. how much will the candidates go after the man who will be front and center, donald trump. joining me here to discuss it all, van jones.
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chief correspondent dana barb and cnn commentator anna navarro. dana and hugh will be joining us wednesday night. let me start with ow wednesday. the candidates will be here. what are you going to be listening for? >> someone needs to break out of the pack if they are going to catch up with donald trump. it's going to sum a lot of the attention span, but this is the last responsibility for the ten not named donald. i will be watching for that. >> you are a friend of marco rubio and a supporter and friend of governor push. do you think they need to step it up and make the contrast? >> they do. they need to do an emeril. throw some in. they need to have energy and
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good come backs and use a sense of humor and have not only good answers, but good moments. memorable moments that people will be talking about the next day. that will help break out of the pack. >> van jones, what will you listen for? >> carly fiorina. i had to debate her before. her mind is so sharp, it should be registered as a weapon. she is not to be trifled with. she is not to be missed with. she destroyed everybody on stage last time. if donald trump looks at her, it will be thermo nuclear. she is going to come out five points up just based on her personality. >> we should have you do the promos for her. >> it's getting exciting. >> speaking of going nuclear, look at bobby jindal who unleashed.
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>> donald trump is not a serious candidate. he's a narcissist and ego maniac. the only thing he believes in is himself. >> jintal's tough words came after the longest serving governor in the history of texas who had a great jobs record. he dropped out. >> dropped out and rick perry, i spent a little bit of time with him not just could go interviews, but watching him behind the scenes try to get donors to come his way. in the beginning it worked, but this is a perfect example of how timing and politics is everything. if he were prepared and doesn't have the oops moment, that was his time. they were looking for someone with the record and the important and the charm which he does have. this time around he studied so
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hard. he studied policy and performance and with a shakespeare theater. i should say somebody who started it and tutored him in debating. >> to be or not to be. >> and guess what. it got him nowhere. it was the wrong time. >> as a republican who did not support him, i'm glad he did it. he didn't leave that taste in our mouth. he was a better candidate and he was great on the stump and much more prepared. he gave it his all. he left it on the field and he is coming out with class. >> do you think these comments from bobby jindal and earlier today, george pataki in which he said he was not going to vote for donald trump. these two guys are obviously on the under card stage. is it going have an impact? >> you get one ticket. that happened last time. i'm not sure if it will repeat
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itself. they are planning for the ticket up and hopeing it falls down. governor jindal, they are all upping their game. they believe it's going to go downhill in terms of attention span as we get closer to christmas and as school and football starts and the buckeyes make their mark. everything starts to turn away. this is their last big shot to make an impression and get off the first debate into the second. >> these are really, really strong winds. bobby jindal said donald trump was dangerous and you couldn't trust his finger on the nuclear codes. are they cutting ats and should trump get the nomination? >> they are trying to get out of the pack. this is a hail mary attempt by bobby jindal who we have not spoken about to get himself attention. i agree with everything he said. i'm not a trump supporter, yet i
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will find that in order for a sitting governor to get attention, he has to go after and do a press event around going after donald trump. >> it was a complete hail mary and having said that, he is trying to be the grown up in the room. ironic because he is one of the youngest. he's trying to be the grown up and said i will say what nobody else will say. now they are too a fried say it. i am going to do it. the problem is that at this point it's a rorshak test. either you love him or hate him. >> rick perry called donald trump a cancer. >> that's right except he was politics.bout his policies and jibd jindal is doing it intentionally. >> he called him a narcissist and a hot head. >> she doing it intentionally on the personality and not the politics. he saw it and told me that the politics argument didn't work.
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people didn't want to hear it. >> thoughts? >> i agree with you. jindal has a record. rick perry, i didn't like everything he did, but he created jobs and closed prisons. you can't cut through on politics. you can't cut through. we now have a personality primary. i think so. >> they coupled is up. donald trump is winning because he's not them. it's not about policy. wants to be in the policy of not them. >> we will take a quick break and when we come back, joe biden getting emotional talking about possibly running for president while talking about grieving for his son, bo. the most candid since the death of his son, bo.
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whole heart and whole soul and my energy and passion to do this. i would be lying if i said that i knew i was there. >> it's a heart breaking interview. i recommend for those who haven't seen it to go online and check it out. you can't buy that can't of candor and authenticity. >> something happened to the democratic base this week with joe biden because of that interview. i heard from people across the country that that is the authenticity that we need. this is not a politics primary. it's not a policy primary. this is a personality primary and about authenticity. there is moeb more awe ventic than joe biden. he drew a contrast between hillary clinton who i love, but she is more armored and he had a
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tough road in his personal and he is more human. i think the pressure for him to get in now is greater than it ever has been. >> the problem is, he is human. it's not just about politics, but what he described and about the angst. that did not sound like somebody who had it in his heart and gut to do what he needed to do. he has done it twice before, run for president. maybe he is a politician and the pressure and the ground swell will overwhelm him, but at that moment, he doesn't sound like he had the fire. >> bernie sanders is rising in the polls more than he was before. not only is he ahead, but he is at 41 percents are to hillary clinton's 40%, within the margin of error. is this authenticity issue hurting her or is it politics or e-mail scandal? >> the tremor shaking clinton
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world. that was heart felt of biden, but not an endorsement. the left will not be assuage bide anything other than authenticity. the "new york times" reports that the e-mails she thought she deleted were not deleted. that is actually good for her because if they all prove to be official, it will back up her story and make her believable. when the 33,000 hits and independent inspector, if they find any that are the government she attempted to leave, she is not. >> trying to shore up the left ward blank and contrast that with something she said a couple of days ago. >> i take a back seat to no one when you look at my record when you look at standing up and
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fighting for progressive values. i get accused of being moderate and centered. i plead guilty. >> so kind of a mixed message? >> you think some i think the problem is she comes across as so cold. the contrast with biden is you have a guy showing raw emotion and opening up his heart and sorrow as someone who lost a brother, my parents went through this. this was not partisan. i was sobbing into a pillow. on the other hand you have a hillary clinton making a really forced attempt at learning how to nene. it is not a good contrast. they seem not to understand that authenticity and respondy inity can't be planned. >> what i like about her is she
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says i'm a moderate. >> you can't tell me you liked her version of the nene. >> my kid dos it much better than hillary clinton and she does it better than me. i can't argue with her about that. that said, if she is a moderate, be a moderate. tell bernie sanders where he is wrong. that will work better for her. she needs to become who she truly is. >> great job. coming up, a great debate features a couple of memorable lines and who is responsible for the most quotable ones of all time? that when we come back. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business...
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>> welcome back here at the reg ln library. our 40th president's legacy, they don't need a museum to remember ronald reagan. he is a living legend. the state of the cartoonian. >> this year marks the 75th anniversary of the classic ronald reagan film all american where in the 40th president played george begin, also known as the beginner. reagan brought that line out at the 1988 presidential convention, urging for americans to back his vice president, george h.w. bush to succeed him. >> one request, go out there and win for the beginner. >> his lines and debate lines are the stuff of gop legend. in the 1980 primary debate, leg
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an took on the moderator and showing strength. >> i am paid for the microphone. author. >> this moment stood out in the run against president carter. >> here you go again. >> this against walter mondale. >> i will not make age an issue. i will not exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> it is interesting to say the least to see this current crop of candidates com wear themselves with the icon. >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> one wonders how it will manifest at the reagan library. see you then. >> thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. you can catch me here every sunday and weekdays on the lead. you can watch me moderating the debate starting at 6:00 p.m.
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