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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  September 14, 2015 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT

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>> good evening. 9:00 p.m. in new york, 8:00 p.m. in dallas. donald trump specking at a packed american airlines center home to the mavericks. mr. trump name checked bill cuban tonight in the trademark off the cuff style, big night for him and big hour ahead for us including conversation with his rival, dr. ben carson and rival of the republican debate in steamy valley, southern california joined by one of the people asking the questions but first, a sample of donald trump tunnel. >> i have a little debate coming up on wednesday.
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[ cheers ] >> and i hear my, let's call them opponents. can we call them opponents? we can do that, right. we'll have so many victories, at some point they will come out of your ears. i have to be careful what i say about coming out of somebody's ears. [ laughter ] >> i have to be careful. nose, ears, eyes, those are the only places i'm talking about. the debate, i hear they are all going after me. whatever, whatever. so ben carson good guy, 11 or 12, carson, here is the headline, carson surging. i said what about me? where is my name? i'm at 40. where is my name? it's unbelievable. when a politician all talk, no action, politician runs, what do
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they give up? nothing. they run they run, they lose, they win, they don't care. all they want to do is be reelected or run again if they fail, right? with me, it's a whole big deal. it's a whole big deal and you know, i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not taking all of this blood hundr money. i'm not doing it. if i don't win, it's a total waste of time and i like many of the people that i'm running against, i mean, many of these people are terrific people. but nobody is going to do the job i'm going to be able to do. i have tremendous energy, it's ridiculous when you think about it. i was the ultimate insider. i put up money. they loved me. and i just saw back stage some of the families who were decimated, their families were
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decimated their sons, daughters killed by illegal immigrants. many of these gang members are illegal immigrants, rough dudes. they will be out of here so freaking fast, we will make america great again. thank you. thank you. thank you. >> donald trump speaking to 18,000 or at least 18,000 people in dallas tonight. sarah murray is in dallas and joins us now. to see that large of a crowd as we said, at least 18,000 people, what were you hearing from people you were talking to there? got the biggest applause lines? >> reporter: you know, before the event started i talked to a number of people and this one word kept coming up, immigration and donald trump gave them exactly what they wanted tonight. he said we need to put an end to illegal immigration, when which got him a standing ovation here and he said he would put an end to sanctuary cities, cities where undocumented immigrants
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can run through. this was a huge, huge applause line for this crowd here in dallas. this is a very red state. a lot of very conservative republicans and border state and this is exactly what a lot of people wanted to hear from donald trump tonight. >> did people talk about the debate? did trump talk about the debate tonight? >> reporter: you know, when you hear him talk about the debate and sort of expectations, management going in he says look, i know everyone is going to be coming after me. whatever. if donald trump is worried about this in any way, he certainly is not showing it. he's going to be at the center of the stage of the cnn debate and as we know, a number of his rivals, especially people like jeb bush are really sick and tired of donald trump and they do plan to be pretty tough with him on this debate. he seems like he's ready to be in the line of fire. >> incredible debate to watch. a month ago sam clovis was working for perry and a senior advisor to donald trump and running campaigns in iowa. we spoke shortly before
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tonight's event. in the last debate, donald trump said he didn't prep or cram or study policy leading up to it. are things any different this time around? >> i have to find out. this is, i've only been with the campaign about two and a half weeks and have the opportunity here, we've been sending him material to get prepared and i know that mr. trump is working hard at preparing for this debate. this is a very substantive subject matter when we're talking about national defense and foreign policy and those areas and this is something hopefully we'll be able to keep on task and have a great debate. >> how does that work? you prepare sort of what, policy papers or just background research that you send? >> little bit of everything. i have a pretty good background and a team of people working to work on preparation and materials for this debate and we're processing those. we still have a few days to go
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and we're still processing that material. i know it's getting to mr. trump and i know he'll be well prepared when we go on stage wednesday night. >> you know n past debate there is is an issue with too much documentation and not letting the person be themselves and i read that at trump campaign headquarte headquarters, there is a white board that says let trump be trump which is a rule for staffers to follow. that's word from thus far, is that you believe the strategy moving forward for this debate? let trump be trump? >> absolutely. what we do is present the material, we boil it down to essentials, let him absorb and take out of it what he needs and what he wants and then let mr. trump be many trump. i think that is the best strategy in the world for us. look how it's working so far, anderson. >> when it comes to policy specifics, trump tends to talk
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in very broad terms, build a wall, 11 million undocumented immigrants have to leave and come back, good ones, take over iraq's oil fields. just because he says something can be done doesn't actually mean it can be done. he lays out ideas without detailed implantation plans as a policy advisor, does he need, do you believe he needs to explain how he'll implement these ideas or not? >> i think that will take care of itself. the campaign will morph, adjust, adapt. right now we're staying ahead of everybody. we're staying ahead of the game and i think that's what is working as we go forward. we'll make those adjustments and i think the big thing for us is to go out here and let's win iowa. let's win new hampshire, let's win south carolina. let's go out here and to start to run the table and once we start doing that, people are going to start paying attention to this. this is different. you can't put this campaign or
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frankly this election cycle into a template and that's not working because this is not like anything we've seen. mr. trump and dr. carson have 53% of the republicans responding to them. two people and beneath you are one of them are traditional candidates. mr. trump is leading nationwide with a 13-point lead and up big time in all the states. what does that tell you? tells you something is going on this cycle that's quite different than anything else and i think everybody that tries to push this back into a box push this back into a classic template are making a huge mistake because that means they are in denial not paying attention and not looking what is going on with the american people. >> fascinating. appreciate you being with us, thanks. >> thanks anderson, thanks for having me on. donald trump says he's
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killing anytime in the polls, the question is how much do polls predict so early in the race. nate silver, one of the best in the numbers racket joins us and ben carson and a preview of wednesday's debate with one of the panel members talking with the candidates, that and more when we continue. at&t and directv are now one.
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complaining. polls drives the conversation and a new conversation started comes out daily. the next guest made his reputation by picking the right polling data and using it much more, well to make much more accurate predictions, extremely accurate predictions. nate silver to talk about what the numbers can and can't say about the state of the race. so it's fascinating because you put the chance of donald trump or ben carson getting the gop nomination around 5%. >> maybe about 5%, somewhere around there. >> why so low? >> so there are a couple things to think about. one is if you look back at history, you've never seen candidates like donald trump certainly or ben carson winning a party nomination and secondly, if you look at the polling, a candidate leading the polls now mid september didn't win the nomination, didn't come close so if you look four years ago, rick perry in the midst of a surge and eight years ago on the democratic side, howard dean or 12 years ago howard dean
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surging, hillary clinton was still ahead of barack obama in 2008. rudy ghoulian knee. people forget polls historically told you very, very little. >> why is that? just people aren't telling the truth in the polls or haven't made up their minds. >> well, first of all, if you're a primary voter, you have a lot of shopping to do. not a general election with two main choices and decide with the party label most of the time. maybe candidates like donald trump who stand out and represent something new and different and a shiny object. if you have 16 things to pick from, you might pick the shiny object. it's different when it gets down to someone campaigning and knocked on your door and a lot of time talk with your friends and neighbors. as much interest as there is in the campaign, it's going to be probably about five times higher by the time we get to january
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and february and so people are about 0 -- 20% of their way. >> you believe it's still most likely a establishment candidate will get the nomination. >> probably, i think you haven't really had the establishment consolidate and if i were a marco rubio or jeb bush, or scott walker or chris christie trying to play the long game or kasich, certainly the fact that you have this power vacuum and haven't had people fully support behind one alternative makes trump's job a lot easier but still, it's the establishment's game. you're playing on their turf. they control all sorts of things from delegates process to remember what happened to newt gingrich where he was leading in the polls and nuked him with millions of dollars and negative advertising coordinated against him. the biggest problem for trump is he isn't really a republican.
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he's running as a republican and has some positions in common but a lot of things might square with what independent or democratic voters think. it's a very dangerous president to set. >> how much trump numbers are driven by name recognition, celebrity, the shine ing object and loudest most interesting voice right now. >> he's combining two different things. we saw candidates in 2011 like hermann cane or gingrich who have a temporary surge and factual candidates getting 20% of the vote or ron paul. he might be both those combined and so that's when the surge wears off. some people jump on the band wagon and say this guy is a winner and beating hilary. when that wears off, might not go to zero. he might say he's really different than anyone else in the field and i like that, maybe
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i'm a republican who doesn't like immigration but you know, i like my social security and medicare and want tax to be higher on the rich. there are voters with that portfolio that will vote in the republican primaries. some of it is a band wagon effect. >> fascinating. nate, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> nate silver, you heard him say it's early and seeing candidates drop out of the race and clinton and bush campaigns have to reissue supporters that one poll or another doesn't mean the campaigns are on the ropes. let's get perspective from hugh huet and anna navarro and gloria borger. hugh, great to have you. i don't know if you're nervous or excited or exhausted already but obviously, nate silver has a lot of historical data to base predictions on. does this primary season, does it defy historical data somehow?
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>> i think it does. i think i also look at the last four elections that pollsters were interested in. jeremy carbon won the party leadership. nobody saw that coming. david cameron won the british election. benjamin netanyahu, nobody saw that coming and republicans crushed it in 2014, nobody saw that coming. i realize nate probably has the best record of anyone when it comes to polling but this is new territory, and i like to say the first debate was a lot like the first episode where we were enter deu introduced to everyone. this is like the game of thrones and maybe the "red wedding". >> wow, the "red wedding" episode. definitely tuning in. the fact donald trump could be a combination of both the flavor of the month or surge candidate
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and a faction candidate, what's your thought on that? >> i think he's a combination of so many factors, anderson. the most definitely part of it is that he is tapping into dysfunctioning washington. he has tapped into some of the concerns regarding immigration and he's, you know, really blown that up. participant of it is he is a celebrity and part of it is he's got less money. he can parachute, you know, not parachute, helicopter into campaign events and helicopter out and do all sorts of things other candidates at this time cannot do. >> gloria, recently nate on his block compared the two plus months that trump has led for leading for two weeks later in the campaign. when there are more debates and primaries happening. >> you know, look, i think that it is early. i agree with nate there. look, trump is unlike anyone we
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have ever seen. trump is an idea. he doesn't have a plan. i'm not even sure he's a conservative republican as lots of he pub crepublican wills telt he's an idea and an outsider. he speaks truth to power. he's a success and wants to make america great again. the closer you get to an election, you stop the window shopping. you start giving the candidate more scrutiny, i think voters do that and then you start discovering who will be participating in the election. are those people who showed up in dallas tonight participants or do they want to go out and see donald trump or can he make them become participants? we don't know the answer to those questions yet. >> hugh, i want to get to something sam clovis said before the break on the program. he said there is a sign up in the campaign office that said let trump be trump.
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do you expect that to be the case wednesday night's debate? i can't imagine that you expect there to be suddenly a different kind of donald trump on that stage. >> i'd be very surprised. he's had the most television training of any candidate in the modern political era. 11 seasons of sitting in chairs like this trying to deliver an actually successfully delivering killer lines and lots of dramatic moments. he's a highly-skilled television professional. he's not going to change that. i think the others might up their game significantly and look for opportunities to display their strength and the way that he can display his strength and so i don't look for him to change much and i don't envy jake what is very, very good at this. i don't envy him the job of making sure everybody stays in their lane and gets at-bats because it will be quite the
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circus, quite the wild ride. >> for carly fiorina, it's an important night, the first time in a main stage in a main prime time debate, she was in the runner up debate earlier on fox and obviously, trump said very derogatory things about her, which he claims he didn't really mean. he wasn't talking about her face but persona which is hard to believe. how do you expect that to play out? him debating a woman for the first time. if you're carly fiorina do you go after donald trump? use humor? how do you handle that? >> i think carly fiorina has shown to be an effective counter. she does it with class, poise, she does it without raising her voice, without losing her cool and she's very effective. cuts through like a knife. so i think carly can find a way to do it, much like the ad that her super pact put out today where she talks about the pride
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in her face and we know who donald trump is and i think if there is anything you can count on is that trump is consistent. all his speeches are the same. his lines are the same and every time he's out there. he's trump. he's not going to come out here on wednesday night and be mr. rogers all of a sudden. it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. [ laughter ] >> i think carly is going to be prepared to head back and frankly, i think she can get the better of him. >> gloria, what will you look for wednesday night on that debate? >> i'm very interested to see how trump deals with ben carson. you know, there is another candidate having a surge out there and it's carson. carson is the complete opposite of donald trump. he's calm. as trump would say low energy, right? trump keeps saying, you know, i think ben carson is a nice guy,
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which is damming and it will be interesting to see if he goes after carson in any way because carson right now is the only, a threat to him out there. the other thing i want to see is what jeb bush does. does jeb bush continue to attack donald trump and hasn't done anyone else any good? do the other candidates allow jeb to take on trump for them? and scott walker, what does he do? he was the favorite in iowa. he's nowhere now. he's in single digits. he needs to shine at this debate. >> a lot to watch for. hugh huet, gloria boringer, donald trump is the flavor of the month, clearly flavor of the night for some 18,000 or so supporters in dallas or curious or people who just came out to see him. 360's gary tuchman spoke with them. >> reporter: 75-year-old carol voted in the first presidential election in 1964 but never been as enthusiastic as a
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presidential candidate as she is about donald trump and that's why she showed up incredibly early waiting in the hot sun. you came ten hours early to see donald trump. have you ever wait in a line this long? >> once when i was 2 2 to see the queen of england. i've not done it since. >> reporter: hundreds of trump supporters joined carol early to get good seats, gene and his son robbie. >> he's a man and this country needs a man to run it. he speaks the truth. >> reporter: and people like john. >> before he announced his decision to run, who did you want for president? >> previously, we were probably looking at rubio. >> reporter: what happened to rubio in your mind? >> donald came out and we liked his message better. >> reporter: this 18,500 seat arena is the home to basketball's dallas mavericks and hockey's dallas stars and a busy concert venue but never
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before has a billionaire real estate tycoon, former reality star host be the headliner here. this was a mega event and whether you think that's a good deal or not may have a lot to do how you feel about donald trump. the people here overwhelmingly think it's good. >> so he's not fired, he's hired. >> to add to the atmosphere, one-wheeled trump supporters showed up. >> big wheels for trump. >> reporter: lisa shed brought her 15-year-old son. some of the stuff trump says bothers you? >> yes. >> reporter: but you're still supporting him for president? >> yes because i think he'll turn this country around. >> reporter: but you think he needs to be more kind to some people? >> yes. >> reporter: to who? >> women. >> reporter: what do you think he's said about certain women. >> i'm not happy about that and
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nobody is perfect. >> reporter: so you're willing to forgive that? >> yes. yeah. >> reporter: and you will support him for president? >> yes. >> reporter: unequivocal? >> yes. >> reporter: she is one of the first let inside the stadium to see her candidate for president. gary tuchman, cnn dallas. well, just ahead, the author of a thought-provoking piece "why are women ditching hilary" is here and ben carson rising in the polls but not raising his voice.
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today. here is part of the interview d edited for time. welcome, we're 48 hours now from the cnn debate. you benefitted greatly from the fox debate. pulling a strong second. this debate may be make or break. i'm wondering if you anticipate more candidates coming after you and also donald trump? >> yeah, i would imagine they probably will, although, you know, i hope we will focus more on the issues and vision and solution but sometimes it's hard to resist. >> so do you prepare for something like that or because you've been very careful and you, you know, you've made comments about donald trump and that you walked back and apologized for and said you don't want to be dragged into that kind of thing. how do you prepare for this upcoming debate? >> i just prepare by talking to people, talking to my various advisors in different areas about the different kinds of
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things that are likely to come up, and of course, in the preceding weeks, you know, did a lot of town hall meetings and don't screen the questions so i get to hear pretty much everything that americans are concerned about and that's very helpful to me. >> i know you've said in recent days you're not interested in a feud with donald trump and you questioned his authenticity of faith and apologize gied for th and i'm not trying to provoke a fight but he's saying you don't have the business experience or really any experience other than being what he calls an okay doctor. factually speaking, everybody says you're not just an okay doctor but extraordinary doctor but beyond that, do you worry about lack of experience? >> no, because i think everybody has different kinds of experiences and it's human nature to think whatever you do is the greatest thing and
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provides everybody with their messiah. i don't have that complex, quite frankly. >> when people look at your campaign, donald trump, even bernie sanders, they all sort of say that there is something in common in that you could all be viewed as outsiders, not sort of in the political clasp, although bernie sanders has been in washington for a long time. do you think there is something to that? do you sense that is part of the draw for you? >> well, there is no question that's part of it and, you know, if it weren't for that, i wouldn't be here. i wouldn't be doing this at all. but that was one of the reasons that there were so many people clambering for me to do this and that's why the draft movement started had it not been more that, i certainly would not be doing this. >> after the 2012 election, the rnc did i don't know if autopsy is the right word but evaluation trying to figure out why they lost in a presidential race and one of the key findings is they
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believe the republican party needed to do better with latino voters and reach out in a more effective way. donald trump has an 8 2% unfavorability rating and democrats are trying to paint the entire gop as the party of donald trump. can the gop win with those numbers? >> i hope that all members of the gop wouldn't have similar numbers but there is no question the gop needs to -- minority communities and needs to talk about the philosophy extending latters to help people climb and become part of the fabric of america and the things that we will do in order to facilitate that climb. >> is that enough, though, to reach out to people who feel under represented, who feel that their voices, their lives don't
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matter, is it enough to say we're the party that will help you move up the ladder? don't you need -- or do you need to acre knowledge, you know, problems and one of the things bernie sanders in his response talked about, you know, sort of structural problems of race in this country. >> i'm in no way denying there aren't structural problems that need to be dealt with but they aren't going to be dealt with unless you are among the people, unless you're talking to them, unless you're sitting down and listening to them. this is supposed to be a country that is of for and by the people. i don't know how that can happen if you don't spend time listening to the people. >> dr. carson, pleasure to talk to you, appreciate it. >> always a pleasure, thank you. hillary clinton support among women is waning. we'll look at the numbers and talk about why, next. [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts, ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time,
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at an event in iowa, she had been in and around enough campaigns to know there is a
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flow in the polls, not a straight shot. she's right about that. there is ebb and flow and as polls show, bernie sanders gaining support and clinton support declining among women. tom foreman joins me with a closer look at numbers. what can you tell us? hillary clinton is the pick for democratic women. 41% in favor, if you add the numbers up collectively, they go to 43% meaning now more democrats want someone other than hillary clinton than want hillary clinton, even though they are divided. this is a huge change. if you move along the way here to august, look at the numbers here. 52% wanted her back then. clear majority. go to july, it gets even bigger down here, 65% wanted her and before that, 66%. you see the trend here.
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this was considered a locked consit wco line for her fans and the line has gone down and down and down. this is something no candidate wants to see. >> much of the bids are predicated on the idea she would have ground swell of support by women. >> so much is based on that and why, why have they gone away? no silver bullet but this clearly has something to do with it. question of trustworthess, which the clinton people hate but hangs over the campaign. we asked all the women in this poll, was clinton wrong to use her personal e-mail for government business and look at this, 50% of the women said yes, she was wrong only 45% seemed to not see that as a problem. does this mean that the people have turned away from her are going to turn to republicans? no, it does not suggest that. what it does suggest according to the poll is that these people may not show up on election day at all if they have given up on
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hillary clinton, either way, bad news for her. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. joining me now is "daily beast," why are women ditching hilary and cnn commentator and paul who is co-chair of a prohillary clinton super pact and advisor of president bill clinton in the 1990s. the poll numbers, democratic women, 71% in july, 42% now, what is going on? >> that's the heart of her base and i can't talk to her campaign headquarters but i bet you a nickel, they are taking this seriously. that is the heart of her base. she was never going to stay at 71. you have to return to earth. this was a sugar rush. she had been in the job as secretary of state which is political. you have to take it seriously. foreman's reporting is right. yes, people, 50/50 thing. is it wrong to use private e-mail. in fact, 75% of democrats in the
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polls in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina all, 75% said the issue is not important. why is this happening? it's what economists call opportunity cost. right? she has not been able to get through on these really, i think, i'm bias, i love her, really smart policy propels. today had a big conversation and policy proposal about sexual assault on campuses, important issue to hilary. didn't get air time because this other stuff is crowding her out. same thing with the plan on college affordability or really wonderful plan to clean up dirty money in politics, including shutting down super pacts like mine. this is the problem, e-mail controversy and trump has been crowding out. hilary's ability to connect where she's strongest, which is policy. she's got time. if i were running her campaign. we would take this very sure use -- seriously. >> the new hampshire, her appearance on "ellen" online
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stores, newly stocked merchandise, the campaign is definitely engaged in a very hard sell to women right now. >> they are engaged in a hard sell to women and really have been from the very start and hillary clinton's 2008 campaign she tried to be more a woman running for president. her campaign this time around looked at the results last time and said, you know what? we need to take advantage of the opportunity. you could be the first female president. let's go after women and make democratic women your base. so they have been doing it all along the last couple weeks, we've seen them double down because of these poll numbers. these poll numbers are a disaster for hillary clinton because these are the women who she needs to bring along with her. that's her base if she's going to have a chance in a general election, let alone a primary. i agree to a certain extend there is an opportunity cost women aren't adhering to these messages and left hillary clinton and gone for bernie sanders don't trust her to live up to the promises she's making. i asked a woman who used to be a
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hilary supporter, why aren't you supporting her? the older i get, the easier it is for me to tell when somebody is lying to me. to me, i don't know how you turn that around if you're the hillary clinton campaign right now. >> paul, in 2008 i think clinton won barely 50% of the women's votes in the primary. divide where older women voters connected with clinton while the younger generation connected with obama. not like this is a new issue. people thought she would get more support from women, as well. >> she's running with barack obama, no disrespect but none of them have gifts as a politician that barack obama has. but she's got to make that connection. again, if i were coaching her, i'd hate to say this, she would hate this, watch donald trump. you've interviewed him, anderson. you watch trump a question and yeah, sometimes the answer, sometimes he doesn't. he talks about what he wants to talk about. if you ask hilary about the e-mail, look, it was a mistake, i didn't break rules or laws but
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it was a mistake. it has blocked me from talking about my plans to tackle addiction. how many moms i've talked to whose sons have goneo prison for no crime other than being an addict or my crimes for sexual assault. that's why this e-mail is so bad. stop talking about the e-mail and talk about ideas. that's what animates her campaign. she is not, you know, a natural born politician by any stretch. she is a policy wonk who wants to enact these laws. >> to paula's point, it seems like she follows a lot of other people's advice and i mean, with donald trump, it seems like he's not following other people's advice. this is inherently what his c r character is like and comes down to authenticity issue. >> i think she has a big authenticity issue. people that know her says she's wonderful, lovely, they love hillary clinton, people who know her. that is not coming across from hillary clinton when she said she's sorry, it doesn't really
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feel like she's sorry. seems like somebody put a gun to her and said listen, you need to say you're sorry. it doesn't feel truthful and honest. i think hillary clinton would love to run against donald trump and clinton campaign says listen, let us get to a general election and we don't want the conversation to be do you like hillary clinton as a person? don't you think hilary would be a better person than trump? is she going to get to a general election? i don't think she would be asking that question. her numbers are going down so far, so fast they have to be worried. >> good to have you. just ahead, the latest on a fierce battle in california where raging wildfires are forcing thousands to flee their homes. at least one died and hundreds of homes lost. we're live on the front lines. at&t and directv are now one. which means you can watch movies while you're on the move. sitcoms, while you sit on those.
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i want to show you what thousands of people in california are up against right now. the people in this car shot video as she raced to escape major wildfires burning in the state. can you imagine being in that vehicle? unbelievable, fleeing their home behind thousands of firefighters are battling the blazes. four were injured over the weekend doing just that.
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at least one person, a civilian has died. stephanie elam has the latest. >> 20, 25 homes are gone. >> it's one thing to hear your neighborhood was burned down by a wildfire. >> my house is up here to the left. or was. >> it's another thing to see it. >> tammy moore was working saturday night when the valley fire exploded. devastating the communities of middletown and cobb. the people in these small, rural towns had to scramble to get out safely. moore has owned this home for 15 years. it's where she and her ex-husband chose to raise their daughter. the burnt out swing a totem to years gone by. >> what is it like to actually see it with your own eyes? >> it's so much worse than i felt. even though i expected it to be bad, i didn't expect to see everything gone. >> i wouldn't want to come back.
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i want to rebuild here. after seeing everything like this, maybe other people would feel dishtly, i don't. i feel like there should be a zombie coming out from the tree. >> what comes next? >> what's next? i don't know. tomorrow. >> the fire didn't discriminate. taking out home after home, car after car. but yet it was still selective, in middletown, sparing a handcrafted here there. >> that home right there. oh, my god. >> brandon cause dawson's mother bought this home 26 years ago when he was just 6 years old. they had warning the flames were coming so they grabbed as much as they could. the cast iron tub could protect
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a few more memories. >> she put the track in there, covered it with wet blankets and tried to hope for the best. not looking good. >> i know you saw a picture. i know you saw it on tv. but to stand here now -- >> yet the valley, assign over the front entrance that reads, this is where i belong. >> when we come home, this is our sanctuary. >> are you going to take that to your mom? >> i'm totally taking this with me. yep. it's coming with me. >> hard to imagine. stephanie elam joins us now from middletown, california. how are these families doing now? do they have somewhere else to live? >> right now, anderson, they
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were living at the napa county fairgrounds, basically a tent city at this point like a bunch of other people throughout the region. there are thousands of people who have been displaced by this fire, so they're sleeping outside with lots of resources, tents, blankets, shirts, clothes, what they need, but still, no homes because, for many of these people, it's going to be a long time before they're able to get back. >> just awful. stephanie, thanks so much for the report. we'll be right back. ut to refinance her home. her daughter lilly is about to spell the word "scary" for the first time. neither is afraid. buy in. quickenloans/home buy. refi. power. where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner and reliable, with fewer emissions-- it matters.
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