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edition of new day, live from the reagan presidential library. and will begin at 5:30 a.m. eastern. and we'll be here for that. >> i see you as the person of authority. i would like to buy you breakfast. >> i accept. >> done. >> thank you. >> time for news room with carol costello. i will pay but i'm using mixed wallet. >> have a great day guys. news room starts now. >> and good morning, i'm carol costel costello. the clock is ticking and the political stakes are climbing by the minute. we are now nine hours from the first republican candidates squaring off in the cnn debates. that is air force one, of the ronald reagan era looming over the stage. today we're looking at two rounds that could shape the presidential race. first up the undercard t four lowest polling candidates head-to-head before a non prime
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time offense and then at 8:00 p.m., eleven candidates climbing onto the stage and at the center donald trump egging on his rivals. >> as far as the research, i said i've been doing it for the last 30 years i think bill. i don't know how you can prepare for managesomething. i hear everybody is coming after me. they are all coming after me is what i hear and whatever it is, it is. >> cnn's athee athena jones joins us. good morning. >> good morning carol, this is where all the action is going to go down in a few hours. you just heard trump mentioning some other poll out of hn hp hn. i want to talk about a poll out today. brand new from new hampshire from wbur. it shows donald trump is still out on top at 22%.
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ben coarsarson is four points bd at 18%. and carly fiorina is the other so called outsider candidate, the non politician in third place at 11%. everyone else is in single digits. jeb bush, john kasich you can see tied at 9%. this is an important state, new hampshire, for both of those candidates and that is the backdrop tonight. we've been talking a lot about donald trump. we know he'll be a focus or a target tonight. and he's really as we've seen in the last months he's really torn up the usual playbook when it comes to campaigning and also when it comes to preparing if are big nights like tonight. and in a few hours we'll have a chance to see if that unusual approach continues to pay off for him. >> debate day is here. in just hours gop presidential hopefuls will be facing off inside the reagan presidential
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library. >> i don't know how you can prepare for something. i hear everyone is coming after me. >> while some lower tiers are mixing up, the front runner was busy soaking up the spotlight. donald trump as always doing things his own way. >> mr. donald j. trump. >> he was on the campaign trail on the eve of the debate, making an appeal to veterans aboard the u.s.a. iowa, a historic world war ii battleship. >> i am with the veterans 100 percent. we have illegal immigrants that are treated better, by far, than our veterans. >> tuesday vice president biden taking his gloves off, sharply denouncing trump's rhetoric towards latinos on illegal immigration. >> there is one guy absolutely denigrating an entire group of people. appealing to the baser side of human nature.
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working on this notion of zen phobia in a way that hasn't occurred in a long time. xenophobia. >> there is tremendous crime. tremendous drugs pouring across the board. >> the remarks igniting a fire storm from hundreds of protesters outside. in typical trump fashion, his 15 minute speech was short on policy details. instead he bashed his rivals. >> i'm fighting some very nice people. but they are never going to do anything with these countries. they are never going to be able to do it. it is an instinct. it is something that is special. they don't have it. >> as the candidates get ready for round two tonight, the donald seemed unfazed by those taking aim at him both on and off the stage. >> feel good about it. feel really good about it. >> any special preparation? >> i've been doing this for 30 years. a lot of preparation. but i feel really good about the debate. >> so there you have trump saying he feels really good
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about the debate. he also says his life has been preparation for a debate. and he's a strong counterpuncher when he's under attack. so tonight it will be whether any of the candidates can land a bunch on him and what he'll say to hit back. >> it is also a big night for the moderators. jake tapper. dayna bash and hugh hewitt will be asking questions and tasked with making sure the candidates fall all the debate rules. the as tremendous challenge, one they all say they are looking forward to. disagree bishop. >> i'm not out to get anybody. i want to hear the differences between the candidates on key issues of national security and domestic policy. >> i love politics. i'm obsessed with the process
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and the actual debate of i ideas and that is our goal to actually get them to debate the ideas that the republican voters care about. >> could be a tall order. my next guest knows exactly what it's like. former abc news anchor carol simpson made history in 1992 when she became the first female and first african american to moderate a presidential debate between then candidates bill clinton, george bush and ross perot. >> good evening and welcome to the second of the three presidential debates between the major candidates for president of the united states. there is no subject matter that is restricted. anything goes. we can ask anything. so president bush i think you said it earlier, let's get it on. >> let's go. >> carol simpson joins me now live. good morning. it is so nice to see you. >> good to see you, carol. another carol.
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>> right. but one without the e. are you -- do you find yourself wishing that you were part of this debate tonight? >> yes. once you have had that heady experience, you know, you want it again. it was very difficult. i was very frightened. i had jitters and butterflies but as soon as the red light came on, you have to do your job. and you do it. so it was a wonderful experience and the highlight of my career. >> oh my goodness. i remember that debate like it was yesterday. you did a wonderful fabulous job. what advice would you give to the moderators of tonight's debate? >> well, you know, things have changed so much. and i think moderators were more respected 20-some odd years ago like when i did it. but now the whole deal is let's
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get the press. let's get the moderator. let's embarrass them. which i think the candidates feel plays with the public. and it does seem to play with the public. so they are not quite as respectful. so they have to be a little bit more careful i think than i did those years ago. >> donald trump. how would you handle him? because i think you're specifically talking about him. because he will attack the moderators. but the moderators can't exactly attack back. but they have to do something. >> i know. and see, if i were there, i'm afraid i would attack back. that i would say, listen, you are not making any sense. stop saying things like that. i would -- i think i would just go off. because he's so, umm, what? theatrical and dramatic and hurtful of people. that it is like, listen, bad
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boy, stop doing that. answer the question. you have given us no specifics on anything. stop talking about women's faces and stuff like that. you gorgeous creature. >> you gorgeous creature. i'm just curious, if you were in megyn kelly's shoes in the last debate, how would you have responded to donald trump? >> i would have -- i'm applaud of t -- proud of the job that she did. but i'm perhaps a little more feisty than megyn. and again, i think i would have come back at him and go, how dare you? how can you say you haven't said those things? i've got them right here, look at this. and of course he's going to interrupt and he's going to try to get her flustered. and that is what i think moderators have to do is not get flustered by donald trump and do their job. >> well, i can certainly
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guarantee that dana bash or jake tapper won't get flustered. hugh hewitt, i don't think he will either. thank you for being with us this morning. i appreciate it. another strange twist to the debate. a conservative group, club for growth, is actively campaigning against a republican candidate in the primary. >> trump wants us to think he's mr. tellis like it is. but he has a record and it is very liberal. he's really just playing us for chumps. >> i would guess trump's opponents on the stage will use the same line of attack. here to talk about this and more, dan pfeifer, former senior advise tore presideed adviser t. welcome both. before we begin our conversation i'd just like to add that trump did respond to the club for growth. he said, little respected club for growth asked me for $1 million. i said no.
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now they are spending lobbyists and special interest money onned a -- on ads. >> are these conservative groups coming out because they don't think others can fight back. >> there are a lot of republicans who think trump could be a disaster in the election. but everyone is so scared of him that haven't been willing to attack him. so i think what the club for growth is doing here is trying to be the first ones to go into the water and say look it is okay and everyone can come in and try to insent other people and candidates and the other republican super pacs to get in there and join in an effort to defeat trump. >> i would say that everyone is expecting fiorina to throw the hardest punch. what should her strategy be? >> i definitely think it is going to be the keep the ball in play. he's eloquent, and elegant. and good at keeping the ball going back and forth over the
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net. and on the club for growth thick, i think one area where they may be wrong is that i don't think voters like trump because he's a republican or because he's so called conservative. i think there is something about him that seems more authentic, more real to people. i disagree. but i do think that's what people are latching on to. and these kind of ads that talk about how he's a liberal might not actually have the effect they intend. >> should they not mention that? >> i think the candidates are going to have to try to draw blood from donald trump. they have all previewed this jeb bush, and rand paul have all talked about how they are going to do it. i agree this is probably not the most effective attack against him. he'll stand up there and say here in the reagan library, ronald reagan used to be a democrat. and now he's a great conservative hero. i have changed as well. and that is a pretty good answer to any attacks like that that come. >> so rand paul is one of the candidates that says he is going
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to be aggressive. and actually his aggressiveness didn't fly the last time around. so what can he do? >> this is walking a fine line. on one hand he needs to differentiate himself from the other candidates on the stage but at the same time -- and he has good places where he can do that on foreign policy and intelligence gathering. but at the same time he can't seem so angry. he has to seem more likable. like someone you could connect with emotionally or personally. that is where i think he's going to have trouble. >> ben carson. let's talk about him a second. does he really have to say anything at all? >> no. i think he should do exactly what he's been doing. which is stay quiet, just be ben carson. don't try to be donald trump or anyone else. everyone said he -- no one thought he had a great debate last time yet he's doubled and tripled his support this some polls. so keep doing. >> thanks you do both. and of course be sure to tune in tonight for the first of the two debates beginning at 6:00
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eastern. the main event with the 11 candidates starts at 8:00. still to come in the news room, putting a face on undocumented immigrants. i sat down with one family who will be watching trump and company closely tonight. >> if someday they deport me, i will never -- wherever i go in mexico. i will never say that americans are bad. because no. i had opportunity to meet a real, real good people. >> we'll have more of their story after the break. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.
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long time. the american people agree with us. >> that is vice president joe biden talking about donald trump. as you know donald trump wants to kick out 11 million illegal immigrants and he wants a wall, he wants to build that wall between the mexican boarder and the u.s. to keep them out for good. >> i talked with one man named francisco trump wants to see deported. he's not on welfare. he works hard. he pays taxes. he has a wife and four girls. he says donald trump's words hurt. >> i don't think that he represent americans. we want to prove him and people who thinks like him that we are here, working hard. and facing all the time deportation. >> a few years ago immigration cops busted the construction
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site where francisco was working. because he was an illegal immigrant he was taken to a detention center where he spent three months. catholic charities got him out. but for his family, the pain is still there. >> if he gets deported i'll be really sad. when he was in jail i was only a little girl. and they really hurt me. he wasn't there for me. they took him away from me. >> when you hear politicians describe people coming over the border from mexico, do you listen to them? >> no. we're not monsters. >> all right. i want to talk some more about this. i want to bring in angelica solis, good morning. and thank you so much for being
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here. >> thank you so much for having me. it is a pleasure. >> you are going to organize a big protest surrounding tonight's debate, right? is this the face you want to present to america? the story of these undocumented immigrants coming into the united states and trying to make a living that are not remotely involved in crime? >> really, as immigrants or families, people who contribute to the nation, taxpayers and individuals who just want to have an opportunity in this country. and so what we see certainly starting with donald trump but then followed by a lot of o the other gop presidential candidates is a tendency to spew hate and to really talk about a whole set of people in the worst of ways. when you start off your presidential candidacy of saying that mexicans are rapists or murderers there is something really wrong with the way you see america.
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so the latino community t african american community, people who are hard workers are saying enough is enough. we want the individuals who seek the highest office of this nation, the presidency of the united states to respect our communities and to see us as the families that we are, as the contributors that we are and that we too are part of america. >> but angelica, there is a problem with immigration in this country. 40% of americans say we need a plan to stop immigrants from coming into the united states illegally. >> definitely. and that is why we've been fighting for immigration reform. so that we can actually have policy solutions that reduce illegal migration and increase legal migration. that allow individuals who are in this country undocumented to finally have the path to citizenship that allows families to stay together in this nation. so what we have, some of the rhetoric we've heard are individuals who want to deport 11 million people.
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but not just 11 million undocumented but their u.s. children and families. so what we're asking today is that the debate not be a debate about hate but to debate what matters. to really tell us how to build jobs and keep communities together. now how they are going to build big border walls. we want them to talk about constructing a better path of opportunity, not how they are going to deport millions and millions of people. so we're asking no hate in this debate. we're asking that our -- all these elected officials and those that seek the presidency stand on higher standards. and we really reflect the courage of the american people. and in the american people we consider latino, african americans, women, people from all walks of life as being those americans. so that is what we're fighting for. that is why we're protesting today because we want to protest the hate in the debate. we want to make sure that when we are talking about a new
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america, we're talking about an america that includes all of us. >> and thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. still to come, rick perry says not making the prime time debate helped do him in. will one of the other be next to bow out? which one? the promise of the cloud is that every organization has unlimited access to information, no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. here at accuweather, we get up to 10 billion data requests every day. the cloud allows us to scale up so we can handle that volume. we can help keep people safe; and to us that feels really good.
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educators who know quality public schools i'm a gas service my nrepresentative. n. i've been with pg&e nine years. as an employee of pg&e you always put your best foot forward to provide reliable and safe service and be able to help the community. we always have the safety of our customers and the community in mind. my family is in oakland, my wife's family is in oakland so this is home to us. being able to work in the community that i grew up in, customers feel like friends, neighbors and it makes it a little bit more special. together, we're building a better california. and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. before the eleven leading candidates cram onto the stage for tonight's main debate, a much smaller crowd will compete for a much smaller audience.
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but the stakes loom large for the four in this non prime time showdown. they are fighting for survival with the luxury of more time to introduce themselves and sell their message. mark preston is executive editor of cnn politics, joining us live from the reagan presidential library. good morning. >> good morning. >> so an article in the washington post begins this way, how in the world do you begin a debate for losers? ouch. that is a big ouch. >> yeah. and in fact, you know, a lot of people are really down playing what is going to happen before the quotish/unquote main event. and i really do think that is a problem and really not true. if we look at what happened with carly fiorina back in august. she was in the quote unquote happy hour debate. and she did so well that she's now in the main debate. when you look at the likes of
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bobby jindal or rick santorum or lindsey graham or george pataki if they were to have a stellar performance tonight there is a chance they could get back in the race. >> couldn't you argue that carly fiorina was largely unknown by the american people and that's really why she stood out and really voter were familiar with the other candidates? >> i think the reason fiorina did so well back in august is one, a, she was a woman in a field totally dominated by men. but she was really, really sharp on the issue of leadership. and i think a lot of people gave her a second look for that. in addition to that she took on donald trump and she did so effectively and i think that is what helped catapult her into the polls. >> okay. here is the thing. i mentioned rick perry at the top. he says that being on the small stage really killed his chances of moving forward. let's listen to what he has to say. >> we need to be on the main
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debate stage on august 6th. we missed it just by a few percentages and it had a very negative impact on our fundraising through the summer. and it is kind of like flying an aircraft when you run into unexpected head winds you better find a safe place to land and that is what we did friday. >> another candidate looking for head wind is bobby jindal. and he's doing that by aggressively attacking donald trump. it will be difficult to do that for him from the small stage. he's not even on the same stage. >> in the past week he held a speech attacking donald trump. he's written some op eds. but bobby jindal what he's trying to do in essence is take a page from the playbook of the carly fiorina and go right at trump. he's trying to say donald trump is not really the standard bear are of conservative values and someone like himself is. bobby jindal and other
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conservatives are so frustrated carol that all the oxygen has been sucked up by trump and they are trying to gasp for any air left. and i think what you will see tonight is these four candidates are really going to be training all of their fire at the 8:00 debate where donald trump is going to be hoping they can catch fire. >> mark preston, thanks so much. the theory of president bashar al-assad sharpening his rhetoric to the united states. accusing the u.s. along with turkey and europe of supplying arms to isis and supporting terrorism in his country. assad says his forces are not communicating with the u.s.-led coalition that is carrying out attacks against the islamic state. and he also blames western nations for fuelling the refugee crisis in europe. cnn is in abu dhabi with more. good morning. >> a very good morning. as you can see a wide ranging interview. it was conducted in damascus
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with a number of russian media outlets and for the first time as you rightly pointed out president bashar al-assad addressed the refugee crisis facing europe. and this is important. because he said assad insists the issue is less about europe's response and more about the reasons why hundreds of thousands of people are leaving their homes in syria heading to europe. now, nobody is going to disagree that the focus should be on the root causes. but in assad's view in this interview the prime cause is european, u.s. and turkish support for what he terms terrorists. one assumes he is talking about the syrian moderates being trained by the west and not his ongoing barrel bombing of civilian areas. assad clearly wanted to project an air of confidence in this interview. he presented himself as the only viable option on the ground that can defeat groups like isis, his
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enemy, as well as that of the west, suggesting he's willing to work with the likes of the saudi arabia in a global coalition against terrorism. and when the discussion turned to his future he was very clear. he says only the syrian people can decide whether or not he should be their president. which to all intents and purposes pours cold water on any thoughts that he might step aside. and as we well know geneva one and two, the plans about what to do so far as a solution to syria is concerned, always suggested that assad had to step aside. there may be other solutions forwarded in the future. and those may going forward include certainly his regime if not him. but at this point that is what he said talking to russia media in damascus n syria overnight. >> becky thanks so much. still to come in the news
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events. and it got weird when the airline lost his baggage and jeb's like you lost my brother? >> does humor go a long way in luring voters? looks like this year's presidential candidates are hoping so. >> question one, are you ready for the republican debate next week? >> you know the truth is i'm always ready. it is really going to be a big debate. but i'm always ready. >> it is not just big. it is yuge. huge huge huge huge. >> without in any way diminishing your love for your brother, in what ways do you politically differ from your brother, george? >> i'm obviously younger. >> you're younger. >> much better looking. >> see, he handled that one well, right? to talk about humor, kevin
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madden. and andy smith. welcome to both of you. thanks for being here. >> great to be with you. >> good morning. >> great to have you here. so kevin, i've always wondered, is there more of a boost to a candidate's campaign when they appear with actual comedians? or when they appear on an actual debate stage? >> well, look, i think that -- you are looking at humor as the vehicle to capture some of the attributes that votes are are looking for. somebody relatable and likable. and when candidates can sort of show that level of the self deprecation, they can make fun of themselves or talk about pop culture issues in a way this is humorous or relatable. voters like to see that. they have more of a connection. so that is a little harder to do
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on a debate stage because, you know, often times you don't want to be up there calling audibles at the last minute. but when they are able to do it in a setting like that where they are on a late night talk show, it does help them connect better with voters. >> absolutely. so andy, there has been some moments filled with humor on the debate stage. but it is sort of a different kind of humor and humor used in a different way. and of course the most famous example is the moment from the reagan/mondale debate. so let's look at that. >> not at all. and also i will not make an issue of this campaign. i am not going to it exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> see? that was awesome. so andy president reagan was using humor as the weapon, right? >> it was a great line that he used against mondale in that
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debate back in 1984 and that is a really good example. first it takes one of his weak points in that campaign, that he was old. he was perceived as old and turns it into a strength. at the same time it puts his opponent on a defensive. his opponent mondale couldn't go after reagan about his age after that. so humor does a really good thing in that it allows you to control the message and it allows you to control your image. the problem though is most politicians aren't natural comedians as anybody who's sat through a political speech more than once or twice has really understood. and standing on that stage and delivering a comedic line can fall flat. reagan as we know was an experienced actor and lot of comedy. so he has much more experience than most politicians had in delivering this sort of -- >> and the interesting story behind that andy is that it was not a spontaneous line even though it looked spontaneous. so that was the genius in it.
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so many people thought it was just a quick retort. but the reagan folks tell the story that they had planned that line long before the the debate and they planned to bring it up. but the fact that it looked spontaneous is why it connected. >> i was going to bring that up. >> why it made reagan such an excellent candidate. >> right. >> and -- >> if i could interject here. trump is funny too. but he's spontaneous. and that's a real talent to have these day, right? >> yeah. >> absolutely. i think -- >> trump -- trump's humor is more biting humor. and he's got the -- it is not the self deprecating humor. it is the self aggrandizing humor which kind of puts him over the top. but it builds on to trump's character. it reinforces people's images and impressions of trump already. >> and ben carson has proved he also has a sense of humor but
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way different than donald trump's, right kevin? >> it is a little bit more of dry humor. one of the things with ben carson is he spent his career in medicine and working with the patient/doctor relationship. that is not exactly the best career to have a sense of humor in. people want to know that their neurosurgeon a pretty serious guy. when they become a presidential candidate they do want to find a way to relate to them. and humor is a way that you can do that. and in his first opportunities in the first debate he had some success there. it will be interesting to see if we see more of that tonight. >> true. kevin madden, andy smith. thanks. still to come. trump's momentum has him leading and front and center in tonight's debate. we'll look at the poll numbers that got him there. next.
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we are just hours away from the main event. 11 presidential hopefuls packing the debate stage, testing their knowledge of foreign and domestic policy. donald trump, of course, front and center. but how did the former reality star get such a prime spot? tom foreman has more for you. >> reporter: what a difference a debate makes. before the last debate, if you had measured the strength in the polls of all these candidates by height, this is how they would have stacked up. yes, donald trump was in the lead, but not by a whole lot over jeb bush or scott walker. and everybody was kind of in the game here. everyone thought, at least many people did, that that debate would cut trump down to size. but look what happened after that debate. he rose even higher.
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so much so that even bush, for example, did not really change position much. he fell relatively further behind. and now as we go into this debate, look where they stand now. trump has taken off. 32%. he is towering above this field. everyone else is stuck down here at the bottom except for ben carson, the only candidate who's even threatening to rise into that stratosphere. the key issue here is one factor. back in june, donald trump's favorability rating was terrible. he was down around 20%, and more republican voters really disliked him. he has completely reversed that. so that now we're looking at more than half of republican voters having a favorable view of him. much fewer with an unfavorable view, and that is why donald trump will tower over this debate even more than he did the last one. checking some other top stories at 51 minutes past. a phoenix police officer was shot and seriously injured
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amazing success if one candidate were to punch another candidate tomorrow night? yes? >> no. >> no. >> no, i would not. but i would love them to really fight about these issues because, i mean, they're not running for prom king. >> exactly. that was cnn's jake tapper on "jimmy kimmel" last night, one of the moderators for tonight's debate. he's hoping they'll dig down into a conversation about actual issues. debate moderators will be pulling questions from facebook, twitter and instagram. submit your questions by using the #cnndebate. we've already received a few from dallas mavericks' owner mark cuban. he would like us to ask the candidates, do you trust our stock markets, and if so, why? and if not, how would you fix them? this one from kathy griffin, our best bud. for donald trump, i know you're against the iran deal. i'm curious to know if you can
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name the negotiators at the table working out the deal other than john kerry. can you name ten? five? four? let's bring in cnn senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources," brian seltzer. >> that sounds like a gotcha question. >> it does. >> and not the kind of question i expect to get asked. i think what the producers and moderators are going for is that split-screen effect, what we call the two-shot in the business where you see one candidate talking with challenging the other candidate. but some of the questions we saw would work really well. i can share them with you like penn jillette about marriage equality. should the government get out of the business of legally sanctions marriages and instead just enforce the contracts that they enter into with each other or with their churches? should the government get out of enforcing legally sanctioned marriages? rand paul brought that up in the wake of the supreme court decision this summer. he said maybe the government should get out of the marriage business. that's a perfect question to ask
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rand paul and then ask another candidate and say do you disagree? if so, why? that will create that split-screen debate. >> exactly. so i would suppose that that split-screen debate will involve carly f carly fiorina and trump a lot more than the other candidates? how much time do you give two battling candidates over another two? >> we know the rules involve a 30-second rebuttal if a candidate is attacked or challenged. what i've heard from tapper and from the other two questioners, dana bash, is that they want to be somewhat lenient and allow them to talk to each other, make sure people get a chance to respond but make sure it's about the candidates, not about the questioners. we saw it during the fox debate. sometimes they try to make it about the journalists asking questions. really it needs to be on the candidates talking with each other. we saw that in other debates in the past. the last time cnn was at the reagan library, that two-shot was the key part of the debate. i think we'll see that again tonight. what was the best part of fox's debate? it was rand paul and chris christie talking with each
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other. that's the thing you can only see at a debate. and i think we'll see it tonight. >> and it's better that way because all 11 of them can't talk at the same time, which is always a challenge, right? >> absolutely. we're going to see, you know, some people have said this is trump versus the ten other candidates. trump is going to be, i'm sure, a focal point of the debate. but maybe we'll learn a lot about other candidates based on their conversations with each other. >> brian steltzer, thanks for stopping by. appreciate it. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. the clock iss iticking down and the curtain is about to go up. just eight hours from now, cnn launches its first republican debate of this presidential season. that's air force one at the ronald reagan library. the candidates go head to head. they'll face a smaller audience. on the plus side, they'll have
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more time to sell themselves. then at 8:00 p.m. eastern, 11 candidates, and the front-runner, donald trump, knows he's wearing the bull's-eye tonight. mark pressman joins us live from the site of the debate, the reagan presidential library in simi valley, california. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. what a setting to have this republican presidential debate. you know, there are many in the republican party who think it was ronald reagan who really reinvigorated it with his win back in 1980. so in just a few hours, as you said, we'll see not one but two debates. bobby jindal, rick santorum, george pataki, and lindsey graham will be on the so-called undercard debate. a lot on the line for those four as they try to re-ignite their campaigns. but the main event will be at 8:00 tonight. and there are certain moments we need to look for tonight, carol. the first moment is will donald trump moderate his tone? he has been very critical of his opponents in the past debate and
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certainly on the campaign trail. another moment we'll look for, will jeb bush go on the attack of donald trump? he has been under this withering criticism of trump. carly fiorina, who was not on the main debate stage back in august, will she go directly at donald trump? those two have been attacking one another. they both have business backgrounds. that will be a key moment to watch for tonight. and there are several of these candidates who need to break out. the likes of rand paul, scott walker, chris christie all need to have moments. and the reason why is they need to reinvigorate their campaigns. their poll numbers are low. and they need to convince donors to continue to give to them to fuel their campaign as we move forward, carol. >> all right. mark preston, thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. by this point in the campaign, no one with question that donald trump is a master at marketing donald trump. but his policies, not so much. that's because his vision has been short on specifics.
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and that was the case again last night. when an expected foreign policy address offered more heat than illumination. >> it is one of the dumbest deals and one of the weakest contracts i've ever seen of any kind. they're taking $150 billion. they're getting a doeal that's going to go right into nuclear weapons. >> cnn's athena jones joins us also at the reagan presidential library. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. you just heard donald trump talking about his opposition to the iran nuclear deal. yes, in general, he has been more -- he's had more of a focus on showmanship on stagecraft, on selling donald trump as the brand. he has been short on policy specifics. that speech last night, that foreign policy national security speech was just 15 minutes long, and there weren't really any policy specifics in that either. he often talks about wanting to make the u.s. military stronger so that no one even wants to try
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to mess with america. but he didn't get into further specifics than that. he talked about the iran nuclear deal. he talked about wanting to improve health care for veterans without saying exactly how he'd do it. but he also talked, i should tell you, about illegal immigration. that's the big topic that he's been focusing on since the beginning. he said at one point there are illegal immigrants who are treated far better than our veterans. listen to how vice president joe biden responded to trump's talk about illegal immigration at an event at his own house. this event was to mark hispanic heritage month. take a listen. >> i want you to remember, notwithstanding the fact that there's one guy absolutely denigrating an entire group of people, appealing to the baser side of human nature, working on this notion of zenophobia in a way that hasn't occurred in a long time. the american people agree with us.
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>> so there you heard vice president biden responding to trump's rhetoric. and there have been protests outside several of the last couple of events. the one last night and also on monday night in dallas. you had a lot of latinos and others out protesting some of trump's tough rhetoric. we'll see if he repeats that same rhetoric tonight, carol. >> all right. athena jones, i can't help notice the backdrop. so the podiums are set up. are there pictures on the front -- can we go back to her shot for just a second? i'm just fascinated by the stage. can you show us around just a little bit, athena? can you move or are you wired in? >> reporter: absolutely. i'm wired in but i've got some room. this is the podiums that are set out. you can see here donald trump is going to be in the middle there. they are only a few inches apart, carol. about 20 inches apart. so once they're filled with the candidates, it's going to feel very, very intimate. i should note here that the backdrop is this air force one. this is the air force one that president ronald reagan flew on.
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cnn has spent weeks building this stage. we are three levels up, building this stage so that it could be right next to that airplane. and you could have the airplane be the backdrop. if we move just a little more over here, you can see the rest of the setup. it's a rather intimate setting. look how close the podiums are to the rest of the audience. only about 500 people can fit here. they are guests of the reagan librar library, guests of the republican national committee. and a few of the folks of the audience will have been invited by the campaign. a much more intimate setting than the last debate which was in a basketball arena. you can also see some of the came cameras. there are going to be 13 cameras tonight. so a big production but in a very intimate setting. we'll see if that affects how the candidates interact with one another, how much they're willing to really bash each other tonight, carol. >> i know, i couldn't help but notice the vacuum cleaner behind you. hopefully they'll remember to remove that when the debate begins. >> they want it to be pristine.
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back to serious stuff. let's talk about foreign policy. might it take center stage tonight? with me to talk about that, doug hyde, former deputy chief of staff for eric cantor and former rnc communications director and mike rogers, cnn national security commentator and former congressman and chair of the intelligence committee. welcome to you both. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> thanks, carol. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. so mike, i want you to hear what mr. trump said about our military. listen. >> we're going to make our military so big and so strong and so great, and it will be so powerful that i don't think we're ever going to have to use it. nobody's going to mess with us. >> so mike, i was unaware that our military was weak. what was mr. trump trying to say? >> well, there's been a lot of debate about what size our
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military should be. they just announced about six months ago 40,000 troop reduction. and so there is real concern out there about the right size of the united states military. so what i think trump is doing has taken that populist tone of knowing that there's a theme of real concern about the size and shape of the united states military, meaning they've raided maintenance accounts to do operations, things that do affect what's called readiness in the military, is a unit ready to deploy, and when they get there, are they combat ready? and there are some readiness questions and other things. so he took that, and what you saw was that kind of heated rhetoric. and people can identify with that. i think that's exactly why he does it. he doesn't have to explain details. he just says i'm going to have the biggest and best military in the world, and people applaud, and he moves on to the next issue. >> and doug, something else mr. trump said yesterday. he said that he will be able to negotiate with russia's vladimir putin and also the iranians simply because they know he's a
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great negotiator. could that be true? >> well, maybe they know that, maybe they don't. i think they're looking -- the whole world's looking at these elections right now and laughing at what's happening at the republican party. and in part because as your previous segment with athena highlighted, there's a lot of rhetoric but there's not much specifics. and it's not just foreign policy. it's on every issue under the sun. if he's talking about immigration, if he's talking about veterans, there's a lot of rhetoric, not a lot of specifics. and so we'll see a lot of the candidates certainly go after donald trump tonight. jeb bush is being talked about doing fiorina. i'm also going to be interestinged in what hugh hewitt has to say and jake tapper has to say. congressman rogers and i have both been on the receiving end of uncomfortable questioning from dana bash. lord knows she's not going to hold back tonight. and that's where we'll see real rhetoric being held to the fire. and instead of just attention to donald trump, we'll see some scrutiny. and that will ultimately, i think, will be his undoing if this continues. >> congressman rogers, is there any republican candidate out there right now that has a great
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foreign policy? >> well, you know, there's a lot of them that have been spending time getting more thoughtful on their positions. and on foreign policy, it's okay to mature in a candidacy. this has been an unusual election in the sense that there's so much attention so far out to so many candidates. but yeah, there are some great positions out there on a lot of candidates. and they're thoughtful positions. it's not i'm all in or we're all out. foreign policy, and certainly national security, is always nuanced in there somewhere. it means it's never as easy or as black and white as you think it is. and carly fiorina, jeb bush, there are others who have had this really thoughtful dialogue on national security. so when you look at the list, there's a lot of really good candidates out there with very solid national security positions that i think america can embrace. the problem is when you have a donald trump out there who says he's just going to have the biggest, baddest military in the world, all of that serious policy discussion gets shoved
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aside. at some point, it will turn. people will start asking specifics about what their national security positions are because it will be, if not number one in some of the early primary states, number two in importance for those early primary state voters. >> oh, absolutely. and you know, what you said, congressman, when you said, you know, thoughtful debate, i think it's easier for many americans just to look at things in black and white and not to look at things in shades of gray because frankly, they're tired of that, and they're tired, doug, of things not getting done. so they don't really want to be thoughtful at this moment. >> well, but what we see from the voters -- and this is historically true -- is after summer, after labor day, that's when they really start to focus more seriously. they're paying more attention to what the canned dayligdidates a and that's where more specifics come in. you also have washington in session for a good part of the rest of the year. they've been out all of august. and as congress acts, you also
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see the candidates reacting whether positively or negatively to what congress is doing. i think we'll ultimately get down to a lot more specifics. and that's where for donald trump the devil may be in the details. >> all right. doug heye, mike rogers, appreciate it. be sure to tune in tonight for the first of two debates beginning at 6:00 p.m. eastern. the main event with the 11 candidates starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. donald trump wants to build a wall and send all illegal immigrants back to mexico. why one family i talked with said those words hurt. >> we're not monsters. like everyone says that we're immigrants, but no one -- everyone is an immigrant. no one descended from native americans. you are an immigrant because you all came from somewhere. this is my body of proof.
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all right. that was the scene outside of donald trump rally on board the "uss iowa" last night, and tonight has the potential to be even louder. at least 40 organizations say they will be protesting outside the cnn debate, speaking out against what they call racist and xenophobic language by some of these candidates. now, many of those protesters are upset about trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric, declaring some of those who cross the border are rapists or criminals, saying he wants to build a wall. but for all the rhetoric, there are real people at the center of the immigration crisis. i talked with a man trump wants to see deported. his name is francisco. he is undocumented.
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he came from mexico 14 years ago. francisco works hard. he pays taxes. he has a wife and four girls, and he says he's proving trump wrong. >> i don't think that he represents americans. we want to prove him and people who think like him, and we are here working hard and facing all the time deportation. >> a few years ago francisco was arrested by immigration officials. he spent time behind bars before catholic charities helped him out. but for his family, the pain of that time is still fresh. stwloo a >> and if he gets deported, i'll be really sad. because when he was in jail, i was only a little girl. it really hurt me. he wasn't there for us. they took him away.
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>> reporter: when you hear politicians describe people coming over the border from mexico, do you listen to them? >> no. we're not monsters. like everyone says that we're immigrants, but no one -- everyone is an immigrant. no one -- unless you're a descendant from native american, you are an immigrant because you all came from somewhere. >> but while francisco and his family and hundreds of others are worried about a trump presidency, another group of people, hundreds of other people, are embracing trump's run for the white house. hln's dr. drew pinsky dedicated a whole show to trying to figure out why so many republican voters support trump. >> sam talked about people being marginalized and he using a language has divisive. i'm seeing exactly the opposite. that people are unifying behind him. why?
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that's what i'm seeing. it seems like -- >> this audience and other audiences are going to prove to you the establishment is in trouble. we are done with the establishment, and we are going to kick them all out of office. this is it! it's over. >> i want to bring in dr. drew, the host of dr. drew on "hln." welcome. >> thank you. good morning. >> good morning. so i interviewed francisco and his family because i wanted to put a human face on our immigration crisis. what do you think trump's supporters would think of francisco and his family? >> you know, much to my surprise, and again, the reason i filmed my audience with trumped supporters, i just want to understand the trump phenomenon. it's such a curiosity to me. i think they would all respond with compassion followed by anger. they all say the same thing, which is yes, we understand there are people behind this, but what about us? no one is speaking for us. and most of the people that stand up in my audience are so
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impassioned are people of color of various nationalities and ethnicities. i have to stop every time in my show and stop and go, now, wait a minute. you don't look like who i hear the trump supporters are. and they say absolutely not. it's just that we have been treated as some sort of monolithic group, and i want somebody -- i want things that i want as a american which is i want a job. i want people taking my jobs dealt with, taking my jobs illegally. i want somebody who can support me, make me feel good about my country again. i'm hearing this over and over and over again, and it's really quite surprising. >> well, the other part that kind of surprises me is they support trump's plan to build this huge wall, you know, along the mexican border. and i just want to give some facts out. let's get rid of the emotion and deal with facts. to build this wall, according to the department of homeland security, it would cost $20 billion just to build the wall. that does not include staffing. to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, it
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would cost $23,000 per person. and if you add that all up, that would cost us $250 billion. these numbers come from the government accountability office and immigration police. do any of these facts and figures matter to trump supporters, though? >> the specifics do not matter at this point. and i've talked to other sort of strategists who say that it's sort of specifically vague because the more specific you get at times like tonight in the debates is more opportunity to attack on the specifics rather than talking about generalities that people want to hear. you know, the supporters that showed up in my audience brought his book with me -- with him. he wrote a book called "time to get tough" in which he specifies a lot of how he intends to do these things. i didn't know he had written out his policies anywhere. and yet he will not speak about those policies on the stump or in the debates. so there's some sort of strategy
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going on about not being specific about how he's going to do these things and what the supporters will say is they don't care. they trust him that he'll find a way and he'll do it in a way that's fiscally responsible. they are -- it's funny. particularly when it comes to, say, women's issues. you know, how can you get behind, if you're a woman, some of the rhetoric and some of the words he has used? and they just brush it aside much the way you would, like, a child who misspeaks. you go oh, no, no. he's well-intentioned. it was just a slip of the tongue. don't worry. i don't understand why they give him a pass on just about everything except that he has tapped into something emotional, as you say, and that something seems to be very powerful. >> it is -- well, what i think it is is everybody wants this strong, confident figure who says he can get things done no matter what. and maybe we're so yearning for that strong figure because we haven't had one in so long. >> you're right, carol. that and the pc fatigue. the sort of language police.
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i keep hearing that over and over again. they feel like it's so refreshing to have somebody just speak with freedom without the worry about stepping on a land mine. there's so much fatigue about being just so with how we speak that i hear that over and again as well. those are the two main things. >> all right. dr. drew pinsky, thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. still to come in the "newsroom," if you were a candidate, what would you be doing hours before the debate? you won't believe what one of the candidates is doing. we'll talk about that next. you tuck here... you tuck there. if you're a toe tucker... because of toenail fungus, ask your doctor now about prescription kerydin. used daily, kerydin drops may kill the fungus at the site of infection and get to the root of your toe tucking. kerydin may cause irritation at the treated site.
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good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. tonight republican presidential hopefuls go head to head in the big cnn debate and make their pitch to the american people. the stage unlike any other and truly symbolic. candidates will be lined up in front of president ronald reagan's air force one. so what goes on behind the scenes before the candidates step out onto the stage? cnn's brooke baldwin takes you on a sneak peek to find out. ♪ >> reporter: this is something you will definitely not see on tv on wednesday night. all of these trailers. this is where all the different candidates will essentially camp out in the hours before the debate. every candidate has one. let's check one out. inside the trailer, maybe not totally glamorous, but it will do the trick. what matters is the substance. what matters is the fact that they'll be talking to their advisers, what to say, what not to say, how to address the camera, fixing the tie. let's see what's in the refrigerator.
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aha. ronald reagan presidential library water. perhaps it will bring them good luck. i see maybe a stereo system, some last-minute tunes to get them ready to go. and really everything all culminates on this stage wednesday night. >> all right. thanks, brooke. so with just hours to go, what are the gop contenders doing to get ready for the main event? with me, cnn political reporter mae reston and political reporter margaret hoover. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> so -- so, margaret, rand paul has perhaps the most unique preparation technique. let's listen. >> actually, i will be out shooting target practice in the morning. i'll be shooting the tax code with some friends tomorrow morning, and that will be my preparation. >> so he'll actually take a gun, margaret, and shoot the tax
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code. it would relieve stress, right? >> there's something incredibly asse satisfying about sort of the kickback of a gun. look, normally in a debate right now, candidates are going over policy positions and figuring out how to best articulate, make their best sound bite and draw contrasts between themselves and other candidates. now that donald trump is part of the race, what we actually see is this has become a reality tv show. this is who wants to be the next american president? donald trump actually, the reality tv series, and donald trump has more television experience than any other candidate in the race. this is why style is trumping substance. and this is why donald trump continues to sort of steal of headlines. everyone now is actually preparing by figuring out what their trump strategy is. >> well, i know that many of the candidates, mave, have been not on television, not at campaign events. carly fiorina comes to mind.
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she's been at her home preparing, right? >> right. right. and carly fiorina is someone who we certainly are expecting some surprises from tonight. i covered her campaign out here in california, actually, in 2010. she's extremely disciplined. she knows how to just have that light touch with a jab. and i certainly expect her to get the better of donald trump on that face remark tonight. obviously with millions of people watching, she'll be able to do that. but also the guy to watch, too, is ben carson. he is sort of almost eclipsing trump in the polls that we're seeing now. and a lot of people are looking to him as kind of the anti-trump candidate in the race. people who looked at trump first and then decided they didn't want trump in the oval office. so there's a lot at stake for him. and obviously for jeb bush who needs to really show donors that he has the fire to stay in this for the long haul and take it to trump. >> yeah, just a word about jeb bush because i know he's been
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preparing. he was a little stiff during the last debate. he'll be standing very close to trump because they're crammed together on this stage, right? so will jeb bush turn and look at trump? will he touch trump? >> again, all these moments that are unscripted and on stage be the moments that capture the attention. it was george h.w. bush who looked at his watch. cnn has put everybody very close together so the body language will be very telling and could end up being the defining moment for some of these candidates. jeb does need to be stronger. he does need to have a more serious and sort of abrasive trump strategy. but maeve is totally right about ben carson. this is sort of the silent contender for the gop lead right now, and nobody's really talking about what is his surge about? what is this about? and what's happened is he has silently codified the evangelical base in the republican party. ted cruz, huckabee and santorum should all be terrified that carson has come out of nowhere and supplanted them as the
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contender. >> and it's good you brought up evangelical because donald trump -- one second, maeve. donald trump was on the christian broadcasting network for an interview. and mr. brody was interviewing mr. trump. i love david brody. he's awesome. and mr. trump said, "he's going to tone it down just a little bit. he could tone it down." and he says, quote, i dealt with the very tough hombres and people and i've come out on top, and i can understand the evangelicals to a certain extent by saying well, maybe he's not as nice as we want him to be, but they also want to see the country be great. so he's starting to get it, right, maeve? >> well, i don't know. i mean, a couple of times he said he's going to change his tone, and then we kind of end up right back in the same place that we started. but what is really interesting is that fight between donald trump and ben carson for evangelical voters. i think that's been one of the most interesting dynamics in the race. obviously, trump is still appealing to those voters. some of them are beginning to
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question some of his past statements. and we certainly are seeing other candidates go out there and talk about pro-choice statements that he's made in the past. so that will be interesting to see how trump deals with that tonight. and obviously the brody interview is a step in that direction for him, talking about, you know, the verses of the bible that he loves. and we'll see how that resonates with voters. >> we will. maeve and margaret, thanks to both of you. still to come in the "newsroom," a california democrat has been on a twitter tear. taking on both donald trump and mike huckabee in the course of one week. i'll talk to him next.
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and good cheer, isn't exactly totally welcoming donald trump with open arms. in fact, gavin newsom, the lieutenant governor, has already released an ad hammering trump's immigration policies. >> donald trump will be -- it's a perfect time to show you the truth behind his immigration ideas and how they'll hurt all of us. so what would mr. make america great again scheme do to our economy? well, we'd lose half of our farm workers and 6% of america's work force. trump's plan would send our economy into a downturn worse than the great recession and cost our economy more than $1.6 trillion. trump's plan would be a disaster. and donald, i'll debate that plan any time, anywhere. >> newsom is also critical of trump's hair. he tweeted out this, quote, nothing against comb-overs, just racist comb-overs. newsom plans to run for governor
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in 2018. and as you might guess, he is a democrat. he joins me now from irvine, california. welcome, sir. thank you for being with me. >> thank you. the hair was a cheap shot, i'll admit, and by the way, i open myself up to appropriate critique as well. i should have been more cautious there. >> fair enough. fair enough. as a democrat who will soon run for governor of california, what will you use in your own campaign that comes out of tonight's debate? >> look, it's what i won't use, i think. i mean, look. at the end of the day, here they are, the republican candidates, in a state that practices pluralism. what makes california so great is that we don't just tolerate our diversity. we celebrate our diversity. what's interesting just last year for the first time in the state history, latinos now outnumber the number of caucasians and whites. we are a majority/minority state. we're a proud state. and we're a state that i think is appen example to the rest ofe world that's torn asunder
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because of racial and religious controversies. those are the principles that we stand strong and advocate for and those are the things we'll be talking about every day, not just on the campaign trail. >> you know what donald trump would say to you, among other things, he would say, you know, lieutenant governor newsom, you accepted 2500 bucks from me, and now you're maligning me? what would you say back to him? >> exactly. it was penance. i completely agree. we used that money to help fund that ad you just saw. you know, at the end of the day, he was sprinkling money around because he thought he could buy politicians. he said that. what a crass statement. what an extraordinary statement. of his values and the way he perceives the world. so i have no idea why he gave me money. i'm happy to accept the money, but i was more happy to invest it back to highlight his plan, which would crush the economy. a plan, by the way, where he would force mass deportations, create special police units, force midnight raids, a country that would be paranoid where neighbors are turning on
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neighbors, where racial profiling's the norm, not the exception. that's not a country i want to live in. but that's a country he is specifically, the only public policy that he's organized in a very cogent way. he specifically advocating for. we need to highlight that. >> can we talk about the democratic side of the presidential coin for just a moment? because hillary clinton's poll numbers keep slipping. she's really not resonating. why do you think that is? >> i think the e-mail issues -- you know, there's not two days that go by where the headlines aren't about the e-mails, and that gets in the i with a of her message. hopefully when that settles down after the benghazi hearings where i expect she'll perform extraordinarily well, the facts, i think, are on her side and when the issue moves past her, i think she'll recover quite significantly. so i wouldn't count her out. >> are you supporting hillary clinton for president? >> yeah, i'm a very enthusiastic supporter. and i'm not just saying that as someone who is paid to say that, so to speak, even though i'm not on the payroll.
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she's someone i believe in. someone i've known for decades. she's a hard-headed pragmatist. she gets things done. she can truly make this country, i think, an extraordinary place to live for all people regardless of walks of life. >> you say she's a hard-headed pragmatist. so why is she running around trying to present herself as this warm grandmotherly type? why doesn't she just be who she is? >> i think because she is a warm grandmotherly type. i know her quite well. and you hear this all the time, don't you, folks that know her well, that say boy, if you just knew that person, well, that person is who she is. so as she tries to express that more publicly, i think that's a positive thing. some will look at it as a little cynical and political, but i know who she is. so she's not faking that. she is a grandmother. she is proud. she's an extraordinary person and an extraordinary leader. and i have great hope and confidence in her capacity not just to win this campaign but to get this country back on firm footing and be a contrast to this sort of dystopian vision
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that will be put on display tonight where we're putting people against each other, basing instincts on our best and dividing folks. that's not the country i want to live, that's not the kind of state i'm currently living in. so i'm excited about the general election because that contrast will be on firm display. >> all right, lieutenant governor gavin newsom, thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," we are one day out from the fed deciding whether or not to hike interest rates. what could that mean for you? is it our insightful strategies that make edward jones one of the country's biggest financial services firms? or 13,000 financial advisors who say thank you? it's why edward jones is the big company that doesn't act that way.
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checking some of the top stories for you at 49 minutes past. a phoenix police officer was shot and seriously injured overnight. the shooter or shooters still on the loose. the officer is in serious condition but is expected to
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survive. in the meantime, police believe it's too early to tell if this shooting is related to the recent shootings on interstate 10. some much-needed rain may help in the battle against several fires in california today. thousands of firefighters are trying to contain the blazes that claimed the life of an elderly woman who died in her home. in the meantime, nearly 600 homes have gone up in flames, and 24,000 people have been displaced. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu plans to meet next week with the russian president, vladimir putin. officials are describing this meeting as a short working visit where the two will discuss the growing russian forces in syria. putin has come under scrutiny for his support of syrian president bashar al assad's 4 1/2-year war. many investors might be on edge this morning waiting to see what happens tomorrow when the fed could make a decision about whether it will raise interest rates. alison kosik is live at the new york stock exchange following it all. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. oh, yeah.
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this is turning into quite the nail-biter. will the fed decide to raise rates, or won't they? we're going to find out tomorrow, 2:00. the fed is out with that decision. you know, this is what's really kept the market on edge lately. we've seen these wild swings in the market because there is a big question mark about what the fed's going to do. but the reality is even if the federal reserve holds off on raising rates, it's going to eventually raise them. because the economy's not in crisis mode anymore. and the fed wants to get its target rate back to some kind of normal level. but you're seeing this hesitation, carol, because the economy -- everyone wants to know if the economy has really turned the corner enough to warrant the fed to pull the trigger. but whatever it decides, it's going to impact everybody because the higher interest rates mean that it's going to raise how much it costs to borrow money. on your car loans, your mortgages, your credit cards, all of these rates will go up. you'll especially notice it if you've got a variable rate credit card, you'll feel it right away. but if you look overall, the rate hikes are really going to
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be gradual. and you shouldn't see any massive jumps. that's the one thing the fed is going to really try to avoid because it's going to raise rates very slowly. but bottom line here, borrowing money is going to get a little more expensive. but this this is a necessary step for the fed to get the economy and its policies back to normal. but the question is, will that rate hike happen in september, or will it happen in october or december? that is the question, carol. >> all right. we'll check back with you tomorrow. still to come in the "newsroom," the stage is set. the lights are ready. and that means it's almost showtime. coming up next, we'll take you behind the scenes as crews put the finishing touches on tonight's debate. when your windshield needs fixed, trust safelite.
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♪ the debate stage itself has 14 cameras. we're looking at 6 studio buildups. there will be two hand-helds that will play down here. their job is to pick out people in the audience. for the first time we're jug jitacameras. they're doing the big arcing, sweeping shots. up is loud. down is not loud. everything else is gravy. i am in charge of audio for broadcast. all the signals for the entire broadcast are passing through
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the audio room, and anything that needs to get tracked to air, i take care of it over here on these faders. we're about 45 feet up in the air. when they started construction about a week and a half ago, they put in over 500 feet of truss to hang about 250 light fixtures off of. >> and you can catch all the action right here on cnn. the main event with the top pollipoll ing candidates at 8:00 p.m. eastern. the undercard will face off at 6:00 p.m. eastern. all right. checking some other top stories for you at 58 minutes past. the death toll climbing in utah this morning. this as dangerous flash floods claimed the lives of 16 people. more than half of those victims died after two cars were swept away by a wall of water. rescue operations are set to resume at noon for four people who remain missing. police are trying to figure out what caused a man to take
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the life of his girlfriend, to kill his girlfriend, and then drive hundreds of miles to murder a colleague at the university -- at a university in mississippi. officials say shannon lamb left a note by his girlfriend's body that read, quote, i'm so very sorry. i wish i could take it back. i loved amy, and she's the only person who loved me. lamb was later found dead by police of an apparent suicide. and the international olympic committee has announced that these five cities will compete to host the 2024 olympic games. they include los angeles, rome, paris, budapest and hamburg, germany. the winner will be announced in september of 2017. thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" with baldwin and berman starts now. if you build it, they will come. well, we built it, and any
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minute now, they will come. the candidates due to arrive at the cnn debate. but will it be their field of dreams or nest of nightmares? and the real pressure, though, folks tonight may be on the insiders. an important new poll shows guys like jeb bush and scott walker, they are seeing dramatic drops. so is tonight make or break for them? and he's a mad man. he's sick. he's a liberal. the new attacks on donald trump and the debate hasn't even started. this is cnn's special coverage life from t live from the reagan library. hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> and i am kate bolduan. it is game time. we're here at the ronald reagan presidential library in simi valley, california. and the day is upon us. a day like no other day that could be a turning point in the 2016 race. hours from now,

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