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about me. it will be about you. tonight you sit at home in your living room, frustrated that you played by the rules, you paid the taxes, you do the hard things to raise your family, you feel like america's generosity is being taken advantage of. but the system is being gained, and that you're turning out to fall further and further behind. our presidency, our presidency will be about ending that, about enforcing the law, level the playing field for everybody, and once again reward those folks who play by the rules, and think that justice means more than just the word. but it means a way of life. and i will tell you this, around the world, i will not shake hands with, i will not meet with, and i will not agree to anything with a country that says death to us and death to israel and holds our hostages while we sign agreements with them. it will be an america that will be strong and resolute and will once again be able to stick out
its chest and say, we truly are the greatest nation in the world because we live our lives that way, each and every day. >> that concludes this republican presidential debate. on behalf of everyone here at cnn, we want to thank the candidates, the reagan library, and the republican national committee. thank you, also, to hugh hewitt and dana bash. the next presidential debate will be right here on cnn among the democratic candidates who will face off for the first time on october 13th. that debate, partnership with facebook, will be moderated by my colleague anderson cooper. and anderson picks up our coverage of tonight's debate right now. before i throw to anderson, one final round of applause for the candidates. [ applause ] can a business have a mind?
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good evening from the spin room as we continue to look at the candidates on the stage. no doubt they'll be greeting their families who have been listening closely in the reagan library. it is not over yet. the candidates still on stage. president reagan's air force one the backdrop. incredible exchange over the last three hours. we'll be talking shortly with a number of the candidates tonight as we watch their families start to meet up with them. we'll talk to as many of the debaters you see now. we'll bring you the high points, the fireworks, fact checking, the talking points, getting some really fascinating real time audience reaction, breaking it all down for you over the next two hours. and if you missed some parts of
this debate, we're going to be showing you the key moments throughout this debate. there you see donald trump, greeting some of his supporters, here in the spin room with amanda carpenter, former communications director for senator ted cruz. i'm here also with jeffrey lord, served as white house political director in the reagan administration, now supports donald trump. and ana navarro who supports jeb bush. close friends with marco rubio. gloria borger, john king, host of inside politics and david axelrod, former top adviser to president obama. david axelrod, some quick thoughts. >> well, one thought is these people have an iron constitution to be standing there for as long as -- >> hot up there. a lot of sweating. three hours. >> it was. it was a gauntlet they ran up there. i would say one thing is that carly fiorina had a great opportunity tonight. she took full advantage of it. she's going to move up in the polls as a result of this. chris christie was on the verge of falling off the stage, had a very strong night, very strong
performance tonight. >> let's listen in to donald trump. chris, go ahead. >> thank you for joining us after speaking to your family. what did they say to you about how you were tonight? >> they were very proud and very happy and it was a beautiful time. i had an amazing time. three hours is probably a record-setting long debate. but i guess you're sell a lot of commercials during that. because they increased it, supposed to be two, but they were very professional the way they handled it. cnn did a very good job. >> we agree about that. seems like it was well run. a lot to talk about. who do you think came out on top with the best ideas for the american people? >> i think everybody did well. nobody did poorly. i think everybody did very well. i was very impressed. >> anybody more than anybody else? >> i don't want to say that. i think certain people did really well. i would never say that of course. >> carly fiorina is getting good buzz coming out of the debate. >> i think she's a very nice person. i think that really i think everybody did very well, chris. >> do you feel that you did something differently tonight than you did in the first
debate? >> no, i think probably the first debate went very well for me also. they both went very well. they're saying very nice things. i heard a couple of people come over and say, wow, that was great. i think i'm very happy with both performances actually. >> there seemed to have been more discussion among the candidates during the breaks and afterwards here in this debate than in the first one. >> i think that's true. we're getting to know each other a little bit. it is quite tough and sometimes a little nasty, we're getting to know each other and, you know, you develop relationships. i have a lot of respect for a lot of people on the stage. >> what have you learned after tonight? >> well, i've learned that i have no trouble standing for three hours. and, you know, that's -- literally it must be a record. i hope that the audience is okay. i actually think it is a little bit too long. but i learned that we have a lot of talent in the republican party and i think we'll do very well come election day. >> when you look to your left and look to your right tonight, did you still feel you stand above those who else would want
the job? >> i never say that. i would never say that i do. i think i'll do a great job. i think i'll be the greatest jobs producer that there ever has been in this country. i know exactly what to do. that's what i do do. cnn did a poll. i was number one in terms of leadership, number one in terms of the economy and jobs. and i don't mean number one by a little bit. you know the poll very well, by many times and i think i would certainly do an unbelievable job of putting the country back to work and literally i think people would be extremely happy and extremely proud of our country. >> can you point to anything that you heard tonight where you listened and thought, you know what, i like that idea? i think i'll use that? >> i heard a lot of things. we'll discuss it on your show at length. i have a whole family over here. >> have to process. what do you do next? >> i'm getting on the plane, we'll go back to new york and then i'm going up to new hampshire tomorrow afternoon and going to iowa. i'm going all over the place. we're having a lot of fun. the polls have been amazing. amazing. the receptivity has been so incredible.
in dallas we sold out the mavericks arena. we were in alabama, mobile, alabama. had 31,000 people. the response has been incredible. they like what i'm saying. they agree with what i'm saying. >> what does it mean to have your family in the crowd, your daughter, your son? >> it is great to have them. they seem to be so receptive today. they liked -- i could see they were giving me high five sign. >> ivanka must have liked it when you said she should be on the $10 bill. >> she sat for a long time tonight. we had a good time. i was impressed with everybody. >> so if tomorrow after the pundits discuss and the polls come out and they say trump is on top, will you be surprised? >> i wouldn't be. i think i did very well. i think everybody did well. i think i did very well. >> gave enough meat on the bones? >> i think so, yeah. >> thank you for talking to us. good luck going forward. >> thank you. >> anderson, there you have it. mr. trump, everybody is working the room up here. there has been a lot more discussion among them than we have seen in the past. >> yeah. and that, david axelrod, was the question.
could donald trump handle more discussion between the candidates? >> yeah. first of all, let me say for a guy who says he's not a politician, he sure reads a lot of polls. he quotes a lot of polls. but in terms of -- i don't think he was particularly specific tonight. but what he did do is bang the drum again on the issues that are driving his base on immigration in particular, on some tax issues that are driving his base. i think he did what he wanted to do. i also think he was a little bit more subdued than he's been in the past. he started the debate inexplicably slapping rand paul gratuitously who wasn't even in the discussion. then he calmed down and it seemed over the course of the three hours that he settled into a rhythm. i actually thought he did what he had to do. >> amanda carpenter, former spokesperson for ted cruz, who how do you think he did? >> i think senator cruz used his time very effectively. if you look at the debates going
into the senate in september, particularly, iran, and planned parenthood. he spent a lot of time on those issues because he has a very effective platform to fight on them, show them he can be effective and show that he's fighting in a way that other people can't and won't. so that was a good use of his time. as for donald trump, i think it is very interesting, tonight was an endurance test. as carly fiorina said it is a test. i noticed throughout the debate as the discussion became more substantive, he faded away. i think he recognized that. you can see him being a little bit -- a glimmer of humility tonight. >> i think as the discussion got more substantive on foreign policy, marco rubio really was quite forceful. i think he distinguished himself. i think chris christie also managed to get into the discussion very forcefully. and scott walker actually did himself some good tonight. >> and i think speaking of scott walker, does chris have scott walker? let's -- as soon as he does, let me know.
john king, for you, what were the moments. >> trump was a less dominating presence in the fox debate. he was a presence tonight. >> didn't make any mistakes. >> to david's point, he made key points with his constituency. one of the interesting conversations with conservatives around the country if you look at the twitter feeds, reaching out to conservatives in key states, there is a debate about whether he hurt himself by going after george w. bush. rare he comes up in a positive way in a republican primary, but the exchange with jeb bush about george w. bush kept us safe, there is a conversation about that, as to whether that could have possibly hurt donald trump. the buzz about carly fiorina is very strong. a lot of people think she may have taken some of ben carson's votes tonight. he was less of a presence. marco rubio getting points among conservatives. he seems to be among a lot of conservatives the fallback guy as the race shakes out. one last point, among conservatives who said scott walker better show up tonight, they're not saying he won the debate, but he was much more of
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welcome back. candidates continue to make their way from the debate hall, coming into the spin room. we're going to hear from more throughout the next 90 minutes or so, rand paul, you see dr. ben carson already in the spin room. meanwhile, let's bring in wolf blitzer. wolf? >> anderson, thank you. if anyone other than the candidates themselves knows just what it was like to be on that stage for nearly three hours, whether the debaters did a good job answering very tough questions, it is our three people who are with me now, on the stage asking those questions. the conservative radio talk show host hugh hewitt, our own dana bash, and debate moderator jake tapper. you were on the stage for a lot longer. you had an earlier piece as well. how do you feel? >> depleted. >> dana? >> ditto. >> ernie banks, let's play two. >> play two more? you guys did an excellent job.
let's talk about the substance. what did you think? who came away impressive, somebody who is going to maybe break out of the 15-member pack? >> i think it is, first of all, i think we all agree, it is very difficult to do punditry while trying to balance and herd the cats as we were this evening. we tried to be as even with the time as we could. i certainly think that people got to hear a lot more of ben carson this evening than they had in previous outings because he has risen to the second spot. and i heard very forceful, you know, approaches from, you know, marco rubio, chris christie, carly fiorina made her presence felt. >> did some come over to you and complain they were getting enough time. >> the daughter of one did but i won't name names because, you know -- >> it happens. >> it is her dad. >> yeah. >> what did you think, dana? what struck you as really important? >> they all came to play. they really did. and, you know, you could really feel it, i'm sure you can see it so much on camera, but you could
feel it on the stage. everybody was kind of trying to get jake's eye, trying to get our eye, trying to get in, which was evident that they all -- they want -- they understood that they needed to make a mark, some of them i think maybe did more than others. but that was definitely the dynamic and i totally agree with you about carly fiorina. the one thing that struck me because i was sitting there thinking what is my takeaway towards the end, all of a sudden chris christie is this conservative. where does that come from? i'm not saying wasn't conservative before, but he was thought of as more mainstream in the republican movement. and he -- every question you asked, i asked, you asked, he fell over himself to try to move to the right. >> i'll tell you one thing, we all signaled in our interviews and everything that we wanted them to debate. that we wanted them to have exchanges with each other and disagree and, you know, we honed our questions accordingly to bring out differences between, for instance, chris christie and rand paul on marijuana and
recognizing state laws or not. and for the most part, i think most of the candidates except for the ones who are naturally against insulting or attacking, most of them did that. >> even those who didn't want to do so personally, which is completely fine, i actually thought that, i mean, you especially, jake, you were able to get them going and debating on the issues that the republican voters are going to go to the polls. >> the research was terrific. you had all the evidence, where they disagree on substance and this, hugh, after all, was a debate. wasn't simply some sort of q&a. it was a debate. >> i'm a conservative. i'm happy. i don't think any one of them could complain about the time or the question selection. i think they'll all be very satisfied they had an opportunity to make a statement, and i think you're going to see unfortunately for people who want a smaller stage, i don't think anyone is going to fall off. i think everyone had moments. i think there was a great deal of energy at our end of the line. that might be physics because we're closer to governor christie, carly fiorina.
we saw more of them in our line. maybe at the other end, less energy, marco rubio bloomed a few times. >> let me play one exchange you had and we'll discuss. listen to this. >> i'll ask you about this. in an interview last week in "rolling stone" magazine, donald trump said the following about you quote, look at that face, would anyone vote for that. can you imagine that? the face of our next president. mr. trump later said he was talking about your persona, not your appearance. please feel free to respond when what you think about his persona. >> you know, it is interesting to me, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly and what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said.
>> i think she's got a beautiful face. and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> all right. that was a moment, shall we say, wasn't it? >> yeah, i mean, we all wondered was she going to take the quote and express offense. what was she going to do with it? and she chose to do less is more. she did the same after -- pardon me, the water went down the wrong pipe. >> drink some water. dana, you weigh in. you're a woman. what did you think of donald trump's reaction. >> thank you for clarifying that, both of you. and you're a man. i think that just for women out there, they got it. just like you were trying to say, less is more, from her perspective. you don't need to go too far to make your point and she did it with an economy of words. i think it was inconsiderably powerful. >> hugh? >> brevity is sometimes very powerful and that was useful,
very powerful use of brevity. it is tricky in a debate setting to get time back to the court. sometimes you get punished for it. i think she'll be rewarded because it was clearly a harpoon and it stuck. >> the one thing i'll say on the other candidate that we're all watching for specifically was jeb bush who has been sinking in the polls. was he going to bring it and have energy? he did. i think he had as much as he could. and i thought at the end, your question about what your secret service code name was, the fact he came up with the name of a battery and he said, you know, eveready. i don't know if you could see on camera, but he and donald trump high fived on that. >> it was interesting. i think a lot of them came here determined, pardon me. to step up their game. you saw that with scott walker. you saw with carly fiorina. you saw that with jeb bush. rand paul and chris christie kind of already have been there, already been in the position of wanting to enter the fray.
but those three, i think did up their game. >> i think they all came ready. they were prepared. they showed what they wanted to do but ready to exchange different ideas with their rivals. >> cnn telegraphed they were going to have jake and dana and i set it up so they could talk to each other and they were ready to do that and they did not hesitate to do that and it was wonderful. from the perspective of a republican primary voter to see them interact that way, not back and forth between the panelists and the candidates. the candidates got into it. and i think that serves the party and conservatives very well across a broad spectrum of issues. >> i would like to say one thing. we had a lot of questions we didn't get to ask. >> really? >> yes, some of the exchanges went on long. and i just -- there were two subjects in particular that i really -- i wish -- it is hard to argue that the debate should have been longer, but i wish we had gotten to and one of the reasons we didn't really -- one of the reasons they were among the first to fall were they
weren't -- they didn't bring out a lot of conflict between the candidates, and one of them is the va and how to treat veterans. and what can be done about it. and the truth is there really isn't a lot of policy difference between them. you can have one of them criticize dr. carson's plan to fold the va into the pentagon but didn't seem like an area where there would be a lot of friction. i do regret not bringing it up. and the other one is black lives matter. there isn't really a lot of difference on the stage when it comes to that. but those are two issues that -- in a way that i wish we would have had time, but it is hard to argue that any of the good exchanges we had should have been cut. >> there will be several more republican debates. presumably these issues will come up. >> the world is on fire. iran and syria, it got the appropriate amount of time tonight, lengthy, detailed, energetic, and i think serves the purpose here. >> they grabbed those moments. >> stand by. back to anderson. he has more on what's going on. >> wolf, thank you very much. tonight ohio governor john kasich was not playing to a
hometown audience like at the last debate in cleveland. a monmouth university poll put him in third place in a new hampshire poll with 11% behind donald trump and dr. carson. governor kasich joins me now. how did you feel about your own debate performance and standing out there for three hours, how did it feel out there? >> look, i just wanted to be myself. i got up on the stage. i really didn't have any nerves at all, anything bothering me and, you know, you always wish you could get a little bit more time. few more things you would like to say. but all and all, i think it was a good experience and it certainly was a lot of fun and memorable. >> when you look at the field, particularly donald trump who has a lead in the polls, do you think any numbers or anybody standing really changed tonight? somebody going up or somebody going down?
>> well, you know, i'm not a prognosticator, anderson. look, the bottom line is, in the early states, you have to be on the ground. you take new hampshire, you have to do town hall meetings, people want to see you, they want to question you, and it is very, very grassroots oriented. so in terms of national polls or all of that, that's not the way we elect the president. we do it state by state, early states, and i'm building and doing those things in those states, and, you know, the one thing i wanted to stress tonight was my record. i really know how to land the plane. and get the passengers on the ground because there is a lot of promises, a lot of things that don't happen. i've done these things like balancing a federal budget and balancing the budget in ohio and driving real change. that was one thing i wanted to get across. i hope i did. >> a lot of people believe you appeal to the same voters perhaps as jeb bush, establishment conservative, how did you think he did, as compared to you? >> i thought he did fine.
you know, it is really hard when you're on the stage because you try to concentrate, but, you know, i'll give everybody an a, how 's that? is that politically correct? i thought everybody did fine. >> you had strong disagreements tonight with senator cruz, specifically on the issues of iran and planned parenthood. did you feel you were able to explain your stance on these issues? >> well, i hope so. look, i don't want to fund planned parenthood. i think shutting the government down when you have a president that says i'm not going to put up with it is not the right way to go. we ought to send this some bills. he wants a veto, that's fine. that's different than shutting the government down. in terms of iran, all i tried to say is that we need to watch this agreement, we need to hold these folks accountable in iran. if they violate anything, sanctions go back on, and we can make the case to our allies. if we think they're developing a nuclear weapon, get that information, if i were president, military action would clearly be on the table.
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randi kaye is in des moines, iowa, tonight at break university where she watched the debate with a group of undecided voters. she joins us now. what are you hearing from them? >> we're hearing a lot of feedback. there was some cheers, some boos during the debate. 32 undecided voters here at cole's library at drake university. let's talk to a couple of them. first of all, angela, you had pretty much written off chris christie, but tonight you were impressed. >> i was impressed. but to go from written off to probably a two or a three. so -- >> why do you think he did a good job? >> i think he brought a lot of specifics. i was impressed with some of the facts, you know, we're looking for facts, not just thoughts or high level ideas and i think he did bring some facts to the table. you know. so he moved up a little. >> the group wants specifics,
for sure. anderson, a lot of the people here think that carly fiorina was a big standout, including susan here. why do you think carly did such a good job? >> i think she took on donald trump. he did not impress me as much as he has in the past. but carly was there. she was steadfast. she was intelligent. she was -- she just really came across as someone that thought things through more than, you know, spoke off the cuff. she's an outsider. i think that we have in the last election cycle handed the republicans a pretty big majority and they have done nothing with it. so i'm looking at an outsider. >> how do you think, mike, donald trump did tonight and ben carson since they're neck and neck? >> the non traditional candidates, i'm not a supporter of them.
i don't think they did themselves any favors. ben carson is a nice guy, well informed, but doesn't have the background and experience. and donald is donald. >> one thing, anderson, the entire group here, 100% think the country is going in the wrong direction. i'm going to hand it off to bob there quickly in the back. can you tell us why you think along with this group that the country is just headed in the wrong direction? >> i think the federal government is taking us in the wrong direction. i think they think short-term as opposed to long-term. short-term is the next election. the next fund-raiser. let's get elected. let's get somebody to agree with us. this is a tough business to run the government. >> absolutely. thanks to all of you here. that's just a small sampling of the various opinions here at our focus group at drake university, anderson. >> thank you very much for that. thank everybody for participating there. back with our panel. ana, you're a supporter of jeb
bush. how do you think he did. his pac will start to spend a lot of money. he did break out tonight? >> i think he had a very good debate. he had solid answers. his answers get -- they're going to prove out to be true. he had some memorable moments. he showed a sense of humor, and actually worked. he apologized to his mom for having smoked pot. i think we'll remember that. he had that exchange with donald trump where they wound up high fiving each other. when it was about what the secret service code name was going to be. i also think he did a strong defense of his wife, strong defense of his brother. i thought jeb brought it, he was much better than in cleveland, that's, i think what people are going to measure him for. >> let's play -- >> marco was i thought exceptional when speaking about foreign policy. >> marco rubio. let's play an exchange where jeb bush tried to take on donald
trump and particularly the one you referenced where he talked about his wife because the question was about some comments that donald trump tweeted about, including jeb bush's wife in that. let's play that exchange. >> governor bush, mr. trump has suggested that your views on immigration are influenced by your mexican-born wife. he said that, quote, if my wife were from mexico, i think i would have a soft spot for people from mexico. did mr. trump go too far in invoking your wife? >> he did, he did. you're proud of your family, just as i am. >> correct. >> to subject my wife into the middle of a raucous political conversation was completely inappropriate and i hope you apologize for that, donald. >> i hear phenomenal things. i hear your wife is a lovely woman. >> she is fantastic. she is the love of my life and you should apologize to her right now. >> i won't do that. >> they come into our country as an act of love. with all of the problems that we have in so many instances, we
have wonderful people coming in. but with all of the problems, this is not an act of love. he's weak on immigration. by the way, in favor of common core, which is also a disaster. but weak on immigration. he doesn't get my vote. >> jeffrey lord, did jeb bush, ana navarro said he had a good debate, did he do enough? >> i'm not sure he did. one of the problems this bush has, this is something that john was just saying a few minute s ago, about the controversy over george w. bush and donald trump, et cetera, there is what i call the reagan/bush divide. if you notice the other day, jeb bush unbuttoned his shirt and had a reagan/bush '84 shirt. i was in that campaign. and there was always this little subrose of attention there, a first cousin to the outsider, insider debate. you got a lot of conservatives out there who are upset with george w. bush, not just over
iraq, but they're upset about domestic spending. upset about domestic policies here. that is a real problem here. and i think when you see jeb sort of deal with this kind of thing, this is all about my wife, it is really about much more than that. and, you know -- >> amanda? >> i think the most interesting subtext with jeb bush in this debate is his new found willingness to defend his family. his best moment of the debate, i think, is when he came out and reminded everyone that his brother kept america safe. on the same hand, i think that will haunt him long-term because tying himself to his brother's legacy is bad in the long run. for this performance, that was an important moment. >> let's play that moment and talk to this side. >> your brother and your brother's administration gave us barack obama because it was such a disaster those last three months that abraham lincoln couldn't have been elected. >> you know what, as it relates to my brother, there is one thing i know for sure, he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember.
you remember the -- you remember the rubble? you remember the firefighter, with his arms around it? he sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe. >> does jeb bush get out of single digits? >> well, we don't know. i think he was stronger tonight than he has been in the past. i think the other republican candidates, by the way, defended w. when it came to national security saying, well, it was barack obama who gave us -- gave us the rise of isis. >> as did the audience. >> it was a republican audience. the person i think who didn't do himself any favors here tonight was dr. carson. you didn't hear a lot substantive from him. he was kind of quiet as we have seen.
and i thought that he and trump might engage each other a little bit more. and i think there was kind of a mutual detente. >> dr. carson, he questioned trump's faith he walked it back and apologized. david, you think that perhaps the gop in focusing so extensively on illegal immigrations -- >> i think this was a repeat of 2012. i think the party did a retrospective on the campaign and said we have to do better in reaching out to hispanics, to women, to young people. this is not the debate the party wants to have going into this election. it is problematic spending all that time on planned parenthood, which has great support among the broader electorate, particularly among women, spending all that time on immigration and competing with
each other to get to the right of each other. this is a repeat of what we saw in 2012. one of the reasons why reince priebus was so eager to limit the number of debates and try and control them. i think plainly he hasn't been successful. >> however, the fact of the matter is they're competing in a republican primary. we are four months from the iowa caucuses, which has a very conservative evangelical dominated electorate. to david's point, we'll see how this plays out when we get to the general election. >> but mitt romney -- >> talk too much about government -- >> mitt romney will attest to the fact when he talked about it in the primary it lived to haunt him in the general. the planned parenthood discussion in the primary lived to haunt him in the general. >> that haunted mitt romney because it was the nominee who said it. it if trump doesn't end up being the nominee, i don't think the things that trump has been saying are going to haunt marco rubio, lindsey graham, jeb bush. >> the bush legacy, did he keep -- did george w. keep us safe? yes.
on the other hand, he left the presidency according to "the new york times"/cbs poll, there is the problem, right there. >> and so you have these candidates trying to establish their lanes tonight. i think that most of the buzz seems to be that fiorina did the best. trump did okay. carson was a little missing. i thought what was fascinating was the back and forth with governor kasich, governor bush, governor christie, the guys saying, look, it is great what you're saying but someone has to put their hand on the bible and govern on day one. reach deals to get anything done. watching them trying to establish their space. one of them will still be standing. >> they weren't fighting with each other. >> but trying to convince their slice of the electorate. they're trying to -- jeb bush's philosophy and john kasich believes the same thing, christie to a lesser degree, the
republican party has moments of pat buchanan comes along, they still believe in the end the party will come back to the establishment guy and this is all -- >> what is interesting to me is when they introduced themselves, rand paul introduced himself as an eye doctor from kentucky. you don't have to have 20/20 vision to know he's a senator as well. rubio says he doesn't go to the senate anymore because it is not worthwhile to go there. washington was a big loser in this debate for sure. >> how big a mistake was it for donald trump to come back to carly fiorina and say -- >> beautiful. >> you have a beautiful face. >> first rule of law, stop digging. it was so patronizing. >> i thought it was brilliant because he -- he surprised us with his answer. >> but he didn't apologize. >> but he shut it down. >> i don't think he did. >> we have to take a break. fact checking the candidates tonight.
ben carson joins us ahead at the top of the hour. we'll be right back. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
we're approaching the top of the hour at the reagan library. 11 candidates, one stage, three hours. it was an extraordinary evening. the candidates had plenty of time to challenge their opponents, face to face, on the issues, and they certainly did repeatedly. three hours of claims, counterclaims, and more than one competing versions of some of them have said and done in the past. i'm joined right now by dr. ben carson. first of all, i was going to say three hours must have been grueling. you're a surgeon, you spend 20 hours on your feet. so how was it? >> well, it went by pretty fast, actually. i was surprised. and, you know, we would all like to have a little more time to explain our positions, but, you know, considering there are 11 people on the stage, i think it went reasonably well. there were times when the moderators seemed to lose control of what was going on, but -- >> on the campaign trail, several days ago, you were asked by reporters and you talked to -- made critical comments
about -- or some beliefs about donald trump's faith, you later apologized for that. there were opportunities where you could have attacked donald trump had you wanted to. you did not choose to do that. is that something you thought about a lot going into the debate? >> i'm not generally someone who attacks other people, out of general principle. i would much rather talk about what the problems are and what the solutions are. that's the way i've been for decades now. i'm probably never going to be the guy you want when you want a big fight. >> was there -- was there a moment that stood out to you in the debate, whether it was something you said or something you heard elsewhere on that stage? >> i really wanted to get included in the discussion about putin. and what we should be doing. i was looking for an opportunity to talk about, you know, our electric grid, and
cybersecurity, and our lack of participation in space and what the implications are for that and the security of the the nation. because i think those are huge issues in terms of our safety and what's going to happen with our children and grandchildren. but the opportunity just didn't present itself. >> where terms of where you see this campaign going, you're behind donald trump, one of the few in double digits, in terms of your organizational structure, that's what some on the panel said look, you don't have the organizational structure at this point to get to the next level that you need to get. how actively are you working on that? is that a concern for you? i know people very
underestimating you all along. >> i will say at some point they'll get tired of being wrong. obviously we have a good organizational structure. reporter who initially made that accusation has subsequently said he was wrong. and he apologized. >> carly fiorina, the first time she was on the stage. a lot of people saying she really did make a mark tonight. as a candidate, how do you see her from what you' heard from her tonight? >> i've known carly for almost 20 years and she did not disappoint. she's very, very good, particularly at the quick sound bite. and she's quick on her feet. and one of the reasons that i insisted early on that she be included is because i knew she would have an impact. >> one of the exchanges you had with donald trump is about vaccines. i want to play that for our viewers. >> i'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time. the same amount in smaller sections.
i think you're going to see a big impact on autism. >> dr. carson, you just heard his medical take. >> he's an okay doctor. but the fact of the matter is we have extremely well documented proof that there's no autism associated with vaccinations. but it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time. and a lot of pediatricians now recognize that, and i think are cutting down on the number and proximity in which those are done. >> and that's all i'm saying, jake. that's all i'm saying. >> first of all, you saying he's an okay doctor. that's a reference to something he called you. a clever way of pushing back on it without pushing back. it doesn't -- at the end of
that, it sounded like you two weren't far apart on this issue. do you think that's accurate? >> well, on the issue of too many vaccinations in too close a period of time, that's what he was agreeing with. and that's a reasonable position to take. and one of the positions i was saying is there's vaccines that are very critical to public health. there are others that, you know, they're nice but they're not critical. and i think it would be useful for us to differentiate the two. and, you know, not impose the ones that aren't absolutely critical. >> your campaign manager was on cnn earlier today saying the philosophy of him and the rest of the campaign is let dr. carson be dr. carson. is that moving forward with you. is he plugging away? >> as i go around the country
helping people so understand what our fiscal condition is, which is very serious. i was quite disappointed that we didn't get into that at all. that's a huge issue in terms of the civility of this nation. >> it's always a pleasure. thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> just past the top of the hour now. before we bring in the panel, there are some highlights from a very big night. >> first of all, rand paul shouldn't even be on this stage. he's number 11. he has 1% on the poll, and how he got up here, there's far too many people anyway. >> i think his visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly. my goodness, that happened in junior high. >> i never attacked him on his look. and believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> you've got hillary clinton to go to your wedding because you gave her money. >> i was a businessman. i got along with clinton. i got along with everybody. that was my job, to get along with everybody. excuse me, one second.
>> no, the simple fact is you could not take -- >> more energy tonight, i like that. >> you better be able to lead our country the first day in office. not six months from now. not a year from now. our president could very well confront a national security crisis and a president better be up to date on his first day in office or or his or her first day in office. you said that's going to haunt him. >> i think it's a terrible statement. i think it's going to haunt him absolutely. why did you say it? why did you say it? i heard it myself. >> we need to increase child support with a broken system by 90% -- >> you said women's health issues. you said it. you said it. >> ms. fiorina, i do want to ask ask you about this. in an interview, donald trump said the following about you, quote, look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that? the face of our next president. mr. trump later said he was talking about your persona, not
your appearance. please feel free to respond what you think about his persona. >> you know, it's interesting to me, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly in what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. [ applause ] >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> i haven't had an opportunity to weigh in on foreign policy, and i just want to mention that when the war -- when the issue occurred in 2003, i suggested to president bush that he not go to war, okay? so i just want that on the record. >> you were forced to file for bankruptcy, not once, not twice, four times.
a record four times. why should we trust you to manage the finances of this nation any differently than you manage the finances of your casino. >> this personal back and forth about the history of donald and caly's career, for the 55-year-old construction worker in the audience tonight who doesn't have a job who can't fund his child's education, they could careless about your careers. >> we could see how many people smoked pot in high school. >> 40 years ago, i smoked marijuana. i admit it. other people may not want to say it. my mom is not happy that i just did. that's true. >> i'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time, same amount, but just in little sections. >> dr. carson, you just heard his medical take.
>> he's an okay doctor. >> what would you want your secret service code name to be? >> eveready, it's very high energy, donald. >> mr. trump? >> humble. >> that's a good one. >> just some of the moments and themes we'll be talking about tonight with host of the cnn program varying his name. michael smerconish. also senior political reporter joins us. cnn national security commentator, mike rodgers. obviously a former republican congressman who chaired the house intelligence committee. also joining us, kevin madden,
and van jones. a cnn political commentator. just quickly go around. van, your thoughts on who stood out? >> well, carly had a tremendous night. she'll be up five points. i just think that she wanted the ball, she fought for the ball, she got the ball. jeb actually humanized himself. he talked about his brother, stood up for his brother. not necessarily politically smart. he talked about hi mom and he talked about his desire to do well for the country. i thought jeb bush actually humanized himself tonight. rubio put in a good performance, but carly was the standout. >> s.e. cupp. >> i agree. it's really hard to meet very high expectations. i thought she beat them. she came in with incredibly high expectations. she performed incredibly well, she was quick on her feet. i like what she did. every opportunity she got, she laid out incredibly substantive policy points. they weren't even asked for and she went -- she knew how valuable her time was.
she wasn't going to use it with platitudes. she was going to use it with policy points that i don't think any of the other candidates matched. and frankly weren't even demanded. >> she definitely came into this well prepared with some definite ideas in mind with how to make her mark. >> absolutely. the policies really stood out. we're definitely going to see headlines that carly was a big winner. i also think rubio. he had a similar strategy of really showing he was the better candidate on some of the big issues they care about. namely i thought they stood out on national security and foreign policy. the other headline is that trump actually -- he took some punches tonight. he was knocked down a peg. i think the big question for a lot of these campaigns in the next day is do we put our boot on his neck or do we let him off? and so that will be interesting to see what they do. >> do you think he was really knocked down among the numbers of people who -- >> i think he did enough to help
with some of those showing support right now. i think for the other campaigns who have been dancing around him and not sure how to hit them, i think they saw him like a boxer who finally bled for the first time. i think they're going to continue to get more and more aggressive as this campaign starts to go. >> chairman rodgers, do you agree with that? do you think that it was the length of time, it was the fact that you could get kind of specific on policy because you had candidates talking to each other? >> and trump clearly had trouble on national security and foreign policy issues. you could tell he didn't have a comfort zone there. he got himself in a little bit of trouble talking circles. there were three classes of folks up there. you have senators, former governors or governors, and then you had the outside class. that's 50% of the vote, by the way, over 50% of the vote is going to those three individuals. she knocked the ball out of the park. if you're thinking trump stumbled for me, i think those votes go to carly. ben carson didn't have a great
night. i think those folks go to carly. i think she's going to be a big winner in this. and i thought marco rubio clearly stood out because he had such command on the issue of foreign policy in a way the other folks did not. >> i thought also chris christie i thought did well. he had a sense of personality. he was funny at times. he had what seemed like a gimmick at his opening when he said listen, don't put the camera on me, put the audience on here. and he rounded that out at the end when he said this isn't about me, it's about the person out there in this audience who's watching. it's a bit ironic, because who's a candidate who rose because of his personality. and now he's saying it's not about me, it's about the american voters. trying to get that populism that we have not seen. the whole concept of leaning in
that women are talking about. this is what he did time and time again. you wanted the camera on her, you wanted to see the reaction, what she would do with these questions. and she often had better answers to questions than everyone else. it's almost like she was the clean-up woman in some ways. >> i agree with everything that's been said relative to the facts. she has a public speaking gift. she has to smile. >> wait a minute, there was not a smile all night long. there are times to be serious, but you've got to loosen it up. >> it was interesting how, you know, ben carson kind of used when he said to donald trump, he's an okay doctor, just a small little line, it's a little levity that kind of shows jeb
bush i think kind of humanized himself. >> plus she had something to prove tonight. she's a newcomer up on the big stage. i think she had to say i can hang with these people who have been up on the big stage for some time. >> i want to mention, of all the guys that did these sort of schticky answers on the dollar bill question, which is a throwaway question, but a chance to sort of -- she's the only one who gave the right answer. it's a gesture, it's meaningless. they're all trying to put their moms and wives on this. i thought she really shone in that moment. >> at the heart, these are performances. and in a performance, the one thing you want to do is drive home some themes and attributes. and the theme she successfully drove home today was somebody who is clear, concise, really strong on a lot of these issues. and a greatly great command of the issue. michael is right. there has to be a relateability and a likeability. >> it will come. >> that will come. and there's plenty of time. >> i saw it all on twitter. i just think it's a double standard. you want to know who a real sour puss, i didn't see marco rubio smile once.
nobody is criticizing marco rubio. >> he pulled up the water. >> marco rubio has a joke that doesn't work, he doesn't smile the whole time. carly did something extraordinary. she fought her way from the undercard, the only one that was able to do it and dominated tonight. she is going to go up. now, i agree with you, warmth is important, strength and warmth together is unstoppable. during this thing as a democrat watching this, there was a strange embrace of george w. bush. now, i said, can you please have all of them embrace george w. bush, that will help democrats a lot. but something happened tonight where george w. bush suddenly was not the radioactive name and that's weird. >> we've got to take a big break. we're going to talk to more candidates about their big night in the simi valley marathon. three hours of debate. people don't have to think about
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at the democrats. they didn't work. i won three elections in four years in a blue state like wisconsin because we did fix things. we took a budget deficit. we cut taxes, our schools now have the second highest a.c.t. scores in the country and our budget is balanced. i can point out in contrast, mr. trump wants people to vote for him based on his business record. people should remember, he took four major projects into bankruptcy. you can't take america into bankruptcy. that's the problem with washington, too many politicians want to act like they can take it into bankruptcy. >> what about that format? you got to mix it up right next to each other and you were trading barbs. is that awkward, were you comfortable, were you welcoming that moment? >> when i had 100,000 protester, i had people take own events about as close as we are right now getting in our face and we didn't back down. we took on the machine, we took on the washington-based special
interests. i just think in the end, though, people want in the future to hear more details about what our plans are. i've got a plan to grow the economy, i've got plans to take huge chunks of the federal government and send it back to the states and the people. the more we talk about that, the better off we're going to be. >> a lot of the buzz online is carly fiorina stole the show. what did you think of her performance and exchanges with donald trump? >> i think she's impressive and the things he said about her were completely unacceptable. but it's a great field of candidates out there. wonderful republicans running. hopefully whomever the nominee is will pick a good number to be in the cabinet. that would be a pretty good fit, just like lincoln did, to put many of those same folks in. i think america has to see there's pretty great talent in the republican party. >> would you be willing taking a cabinet position? >> i'm focused on earning the trust of all of those as governor. i'm working hard to earn that trust to be the one making that
choice. >> did you think tonight was a breakthrough moment? >> a lot of people have said to me at caves and diner, you're my top two candidates out there. i want to see the passion you show when you took on the union bosses and special interests. i think we showed that tonight. >> governor scott walker, thanks so much for being with us. back to anderson. >> alisyn, thank you. we'll talk to dana bash and hugh hewitt. we'll talk about carly fiorina and the big mark she made on that stage tonight. we'll be right back.
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a lot of elbows up on the goal. it's not really my thought that's what our debate should be. not fighting each other. it's about it felt that these are all my colleagues. gosh, huckabee didn't beat up anybody. no, i'm not going to. these are my friends, my colleagues. i would pick every single one of them to be somewhere in the cabinet because they're good people. they're qualified and capable. >> were there too many people on stage? you seemed a little annoyed that it took a while to get to you pop i think it was 45 minutes into the debate before i ever got a question. those are frustrating things if you spent your whole life preparing to run for president and you're running for that office. the other side of that is i think there's a way to fix this. i'm going to suggest this. if all of the other guys would drop out and endorse me, then i will just do an interview next time. >> why didn't they think of that? >> i don't know. >> the moment that came up tonight has become an issue, what has happened to the kentucky county clerk kim davis. let me play for our viewers that exchange with you this evening. >> governor bush for example
says that clerk should uphold the law. is governor bush on the wrong side of the criminalization of christianity? >> no, i don't think he's on the wrong side of such an issue. jeb is a friend. i'm not up here to fight with jeb or anybody else. but i am here to fight for somebody who is a county clerk elected under the kentucky constitution. 75% of the state voted for said marriage was between a man and a woman. we made accommodations to the detainees of gitmo. i have seen the accommodations that we made to the muslim detainees who killed americans. you're telling me that you can not make an accommodation for an elected democrat county clerk from rowan county, kentucky? >> i don't believe you're stating my views right. i think there needs to be accommodation for someone acting on their faith. >> you said, quote, she is sworn to uphold the law. >> she is. so if she based on conscious can't sign that marriage license, then there should be someone in her office to be able to do it. if the law needs to be changed in the state of kentucky, which
she is advocating, then it should be changed. >> this is your soul issue, it's eclipsing other things. >> no, i don't think so at all. if we don't understand the balance of power, separation of powers and the equality of branches and if we surrender to judicial tyranny. jefferson said you turn the constitution into a thing of wax. i think it's an issue we should talk a great deal more. a president who surrenders the executive branch of government to the other two, especially to the court has been derelict in his duty. he has not fulfilled his oath of office. so this issue was to me a seminal moment, when a county clerk is put in jail, not just told hey, you need to do this. put in jail. people need to remember that. and no accommodation made for
her. but we made accommodations for the ft. hood shooter. we've made accommodations for the detainees at gitmo who are terrorists and killed americans. and i cannot imagine that this country cannot make some type of accommodation for kim davis. >> very quickly, you said that you would put anybody there in your cabinet. what would secretary trump be? >> it would be very difficult to limit him to one thing. but, you know, people need to realize, donald trump has a lot of gifts and talents. he's a man of great accomplishment. if donald trump were willing to serve in government, i would be more than happy to find a spot for him. i think people are underestimating his ability as a communicator. look, if you're a guy that's made $10 billion in business, you've done some things right, right? so give him his due. >> great to see you. thank so much. back to you, anderson. >> i want to go to tom forman now who has been busy fact checking some of the statements the candidates made tonight. tom? >> anderson, donald trump has
said so many times that he is so wealthy, you don't have to worry about him mixing money and politics. but tonight, jeb bush pushed back hard saying too late. trump has tried to buy political influence. listen. >> you won a casino gambling in florida. you wanted it and you didn't get it because i was opposed before during and after. >> i promise if i wanted it, i would have gotten it. >> no way. not even possible. >> i know my people. >> one of the hotter moments of the night. back in the late 1990s, trump did hold a fund-raiser for jeb bush when trump was trying to get a casino deal in florida. what trump is saying is false. bush ultimately blocked that what bush said in this issue was truth. carly fiorina took on the videotapes surreptitiously shot that showed planned parenthood associates trying to sell body
parts from aborted fetuses. >> i dare hillary clinton, barack obama to watch these tapes. a fully formed fetus lie on the table, heart beating, legs kicking while someone is saying we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain? >> is there something that looks like that? yeah, there's actually a short portion that shows that's what's going on, but it was edited in. and there's no evidence that is tied to planned parenthood. so it's true, but there it's misleading. and ted cruz jumped in on the tapes as well. >> it is a felony with ten years jail term. >> well, it is a crime to sell body parts, but there's no evidence that anyone is
confessing to anything on these tapes. in fact, if you watch them carefully, what you hear is these representatives saying many times, this is for the handling, this is for the processing. it's less than $100 per sample. this is not a matter of profit. so for him to suggest that this is a clear confession of some sort, that is simply not true. false statement, anderson. >> all right, tom. the democrats face-off next month. the cnn/facebook debate takes place on october 13th. i'll be the moderator for that. that's it for us. "new day" is next.
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helping to bridge the digital divide. more energy tonight. i like that. >> donald trump is unfit to be president. >> i am a republican in new jersey. >> this is about changing the system. >> short, tall, fat, ugly. >> i never attacked him on his looks. >> we are in fact the "a" team. >> 40 years ago, i smoked marijuana. >> you are both successful people. congratulations. >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> she's a beautiful woman. >> very high energy, donald.
>> good morning. welcome to this special post-debate edition of "new day." we like to call it, michaela, same day. there hasn't been a lot of sleeping. september 17th. we are live in simi valley, california. michaela is in new york. how did donald trump do last night? a lot of conclusions after the three-hour debate on cnn. trump's rivals came out swinging. >> all right. as predicted, the race changed last night. what's the name that everybody is saying? donald trump? no. carly fiorina. could she make it on the big stage? make it, she owned. it jeb bush needed to have a big night. it seems the field will be shuffled after last night. let's find out how after the comprehensive coverage with about john berman. >> you walk through the library. it feels like a morning aft