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do quite as well for fox's debate because it went on longer and some viewers may have turned the channel. bottom line, a record for cnn last night. >> i watched pretty much through the whole thing. i struggled through the last hour. >> i think it was impressive that jake tapper was able to sit is there for so many hours and moderate. >> i wonder how many red bulls he drank during the night. thanks so much. appreciate it. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bo boldaun" starts right now. >> hello, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. live in simi valley, california, site of last night's republican presidential debate. there was politics, there was drama. even comedy. maybe a sitcom with the title 11's company. but the stakes were no joke. the cnn debate could reorder the
race for 2016. >> absolutely. what was more of a marathon than a race last night, they got personal, they got fist y they got confrontational and also went deep into policy with some very memorable one-liners all along the way. all packed into three hours that could change everything. there are so many highlights. here are just a few. >> first of all, rand paul shouldn't even be on this stage. he's number 11. he's got 1% in the polls. how he got up here, there's far too many people anyway. >> i'm also aware that california has a drought. so, that's why i made sure i brought my own water. >> what i am far away greater than an entertainer is a businessman. we're not talking about real issues. mr. trump, we don't need an apprentice in the white house. we don't need an apprentice in the white house. we have one right now. >> i in no way am willing to get into bed with special interest groups or lick the boots of billionaires. >> i get along with everybody. that was my job, to get along
with people. >> but the whole -- >> excuse me one second. >> no. the simple fact is, donald, you cannot take -- >> more energy tonight. i like that. >> they have sponsored terrorist groups, hamas and hezbollah, and they threaten the very essence of western civilization. every time we have toppled a secular dictator, we've gotten chaos. >> the rise of radical islam and we're more at risk. i think we need to think before we act and know most interventions, if not a lot of them in the middle east, have actually backfired. >> i thought here everybody passed nooibt great civics. the courts cannot legislate. >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> let's ask hillary clinton. she believes in the systematic murder of children in the womb to preserve their body parts, dana, in a way that maximizes their value for sale for profit. >> iran and planned parenthood. one has something to do with the
defense of the security of this nation. the other has something to do with the defense of the character of this nation. >> i want to build a wall. a wall that works. >> immigration did not come up in 2016 because mr. trump brought it up. we have been talking about it for 25 years. >> this is a country where we speak english, not spanish. >> well, i've been speaking english here tonight. >> let's stop for one second. there's one person on this stage that does have a record. >> mrs. clinton is going to have to defend her track record. her track record of lying about her e-mails, about lying about her servers. >> i am the only person on this dias, the only person that fought very, very hard against us. and i wasn't a sitting politician going into iraq. >> as it relates to my brother, there's one thing i know for sure, he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember -- [ applause ] >> we could see how many people smoked pot in high school.
>> is there somebody you were specifically thinking of? >> the thing is -- zeefs talking about me. 40 years ago i smoked marijuana. i admit it. other people might not want to say it in front of 25 million people. my mom is not happy i just did. >> dr. carson, you just heard his medical take. >> he's an okay doctor. >> want to bring in shawn spicer, the chief strategy communications director for the republican national committee. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll give you the first indication of what the tv ratings are. football level ratings right now. a lot of people watched this. so, i imagine very successful for the republican national committee. what did you think watching last night? >> look, like you said, the ratings are coming in. we're hearing over 20 million people watched, highest event in cnn history. there were over 1 million people that were watching this live on the internet. the interest, enthusiasm and intensity we're seeing around this field is unbelievable. it speaks volumes to the quality
and diversity of the candidates we have on that stage. >> did carly fiorina win the main stage, sean? >> great question. not one i'm going to answer. i think carly had a great night. i look at all those candidates. each of them had their moment. that was the beauty of last night. they had the time to articulate something about themselves, a position they had, a vision they wanted to get around. and it's up ultimately to the voters out there that watched last night, the 20 million plus people to say, hey, i like what i heard there. i don't like what i heard there. and help move the process along. this was a really, really good night for both the republican party and i think for cnn. >> now, next debate is when, october 26th? >> october 28th. >> in colorado. in boulder. it's going to be a cnbc debate. we look forward to that. >> will there be that many candidates on october 28th? >> i doubt there will be an undercard. i think the criteria will still be going forward. cnbc has yet to publish it.
we'll be talking to them in the coming days. >> what does that mean we won't have an undercard? >> it's six weeks from now. you saw governor perry drop out. the undercard turns into an interview. i think we need to see where the race stands in a couple weeks and make a decision what's best for the party, what's best for the candidates and go forward. >> is it possible, though, if candidates don't drop out, that you will not invite as many candidates to a single debate? >> i think part of this comes down to, i think the chairman and the folks at cnbc will have a discussion in the coming weeks about, you know, what we want it to look like. cnbc's going to talk to us about criteria. then we'll have a discussion -- >> could there be more than 11, then? >> in theory, when you set a criteria, you say, this is what it takes to get into a debate. i think it looked like a pretty crowded stage last night. >> sure did. >> but we had plenty of time for everyone to get their position across. that was good. i think 11 was -- you know, there was lack of elbow room at the table. >> it's hard to throw that elbow
jab. >> it sounds like sean is making news saying maybe only one debate next time. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> i think we have to look at where the race is going. i'm not saying yes or no. the chairman of the party will talk to the folks at cnbc. we sat down with both fox and cnn early in this process and said, because we have such an historic number of folks on stage, we think that we would like to see a larger debate night, where we had two segments. quet as we head into november, right before the iowa caucuses, is that still the case? are there that number of candidates that justify a second debate on debate night? we'll have to have that conversation. >> each debate is that more consequential. we'll see every single debate we've been at, cnn's debate, unbiased opinion here, very good. >> yeah, best ever. >> unbiased. objectively speaking, the best ever, you'd agree. >> i'd say, i'm very pleased with all the debates, all the
candidates. i really enjoy the process right now. i think the american people are the big winners. they're tuning in and seeing the diversity of this field. the quality of people that we're putting out there and all the way down from the undercard all the way up to the main stage. you're talking about real serious people with real serious solutions for this -- >> yeah. not just one-liners. the amount of time talking about the iran stage in the main stage debate, i think speaks volumes about where the important issues are. >> sean spicer, none of us have slept much. thanks for coming in. >> your face looks great. >> thank you. your persona is fantastic. >> that speaks volumes in and of itself right there. we'll pick up the discussion about the winners and losers. the best and worst moments. also, we're going to speak with the man a lot of people thought won what may be the last undercard debate of this campaign cycle. lindsey graham will join us live "at this hour". coming up, carly fiorina praised by the one dates but one of her opponents, chris
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we are live at the reagan presidential debate. the smoke is still clearing. this debate was all of four minutes long before there was a very personal, not so nice exchange between senator rand paul and donald trump. let's listen. >> i think really there's a sophomoric quality that is entertaining about mr. trump, but i am worried. i'm very concerned about him -- having him in charge of the
nuclear weapons because i think his response, his visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness, that happened in junior high. are we not way above that and would we not all be worried to have someone like that in charge of the nuclear arsenal? >> mr. trump? >> i never attacked him on his look. and, believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> boom. the hammer falls. >> drop the mike. but it only began there. here to discuss all the winners and losers, cnn national political reporter maeve reston, and cbn chief correspondent dave brody. a lot to discuss, guys. david, you interviewed -- you sat down and interviewed donald trump many times. very recently we just talked about that yesterday. i want to get your take on trump's performance. one thing a lot of folks noted,
the more they weeded into in-depth policy talk, the quieter donald trump seemed to get. >> i think that's true. having said that, i thought it was a decent performance. you got not ten people attacking him, because huckabee and cruz didn't, but majority did, and if you're still standing, and you'll probably see an uptick in his supporters, that's a good night for a front-runner who leaves relatively unscathed. he'll put out a tax proposal, the key for trump. start changing, shifting the conversation to what he wants to talk about. he'll be on economic terms. come the next debate when they'll talk tax policy, and that's going to help him. >> great point. >> it's interesting. the first debate, for better or worse, was a trump debate. maeve, this one, even if you accept david's premise trump wasn't bad, it was more of a carly fiorina debate. >> i thought trump was actually
pretty flat for the second half of the debate. he got his zingers in the first hour and then seemed to lose energy, in his own words, right? i think what was so interesting is that fiorina had a great debate. jeb had some strong moments. and a lot of the times, what was so fascinating, is they were keying off insults donald trump had hurled weeks ago and finally got their lines down on that front. i think it gave voters a lot to consider. and i think that many voters are waiting to hear a little bit more from donald trump on the policy front. he keeps saying, couple weeks, couple weeks. it's coming. my policies are coming. but so far that hasn't hurt him in the polls. we'll see whether that changes after last night. >> another person everyone is talking about, your man, lindsey graham in the undercard debate saying he absolutely shined. you're the man who helped prep him. let's listen to one of his highlight moments from last night. i want to get your insight on how that all went down. listen to this.
>> ronald reagan did a couple of really big things that we should all remember. he sat down with tip o'neill, the most liberal guy in the entire house. they started drinking together. that's the first thing i'm going to do as president. we're going to drink more. >> everyone on this set whole-heartedly supports that move. despite that, brett, you helped pretty him. what was so different for prep between debate one and debate two. everyone calls him vintage lindsey graham. >> i said, go be yourself, the person we know and love, and show that to the american people. that's what he did, he's affable, funny, serious on foreign policy -- >> what changed him? i'm sure you gave him the same advice in debate one. >> having an audience was a big help for him. there was no audience for the first debate. and i think that hurt everyone on that stage.
i think having the audience, being here in this beautiful setting at the reagan library, i think that really turned the juices on. >> brett's too modest to say, because he listened to me this time around. let me ask quickly about carly fiorina, because one of the questions is, how will she play now that more. country has seen the types of things she's done on the stump for some time. can carly fiorina draw from ben carson support, from the outside support? do you expect to see a rise in her numbers? >> no question about it. a lot of people talk about -- when they talk about the evangelical vote, they talk about huckabee. let's remember carly fiorina. there's three types of evangelical voters, i'm sick of it. as an outsider, carly fiorina plays there. the absolutely evangelical, carly fiorina playing in that bracket and wear it on your sleeve, christian, best christian candidate, carly fiorina, and we've had many conversations about that, talking about jesus very personally. we have interviews of her
talking about how she gave her life to christ. she plays in all three brackets. i think that will be a story line to watch. >> and she did that here in california, of all places, when she was running for senate, which was interesting. you know, she ended up getting sarah palin's endorsement, galvanized evangelicals in that race. >> fction, they were able to undercut her with her business record, which is something we'll discuss in a bit. we'll hear more about that in the coming days. great to have you with us. >> great to see you. >> thanks so much, guys. coming up for us, we're going to speak live with jeb bush's campaign about his marijuana admission and the line that got one of the biggest applauses of the night. plus, hillary clinton sits down with donald trump. sort of. hear what she is going to do tonight. a possible new strategy coming up. hey pal? you ready?
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a disaster those last three months that abraham lincoln couldn't have been elected. >> you know what, as it relates to my brother, there's one thing i know for sure. he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember -- [ applause ] you remember the rubble? do you remember the firefighter with his arms around him? he sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe. >> i don't know. you feel safe right now? i don't feel so safe. >> so, how does the bush campaign feel today? was it his every-ready moment? i want to bring in tim miller from the bush campaign, the communications director down in miami. so, tim, instead of asking you about your boss, your candidate, a guy you are paid to say you think won this debate -- >> he brought it, john. >> i want to know who you think came in second place.
>> can jeb come in first and second? you know, look, i think some other folks had a good night last night. i think, you know, obviously carly had a good night. you know, really what happens was the moment that you guys just showed, that was the big moment of the debate. and what happened after jeb stood up for his brother in a muscular foreign policy and american leadership and said, george w. bush kept us safe, donald trump was stunned. he gave a very short three-word retort and then didn't speak again for 37 minutes in the last hour of that debate. i don't know if he's ever gone 37 minutes without speaking in his life before last night. and it's because jeb knocked him on the mat. >> now, tim, as you're talking about, he defended his brother in that moment we just saw. but also there was this other very big moment when jeb came out and defended his wife in this exchange, again, with donald trump. listen. >> you're proud of your family, just as i am. >> correct. >> to subject my wife into the middle of a raucous political
conversation was completely inappropriate. and i hope you apologize for that, donald. >> i have to hear you, i hear phenomenal things. i hear your wife is a lovely woman. >> she is fantastic. >> i don't know her. that was a total mischaracterization -- >> she's here. why don't you apologize. >> no, i won't do that because i said nothing wrong. >> here's the deal. my wife is an mexican-american. she's american by choice. she loves this country as much as anybody in this room. she wants a secure border but she wants to embrace the traditional american values that make us special and make us unique. >> now, there you have it. tim, that was a pretty big moment. columba was the only wife called out in the middle of this debate. what did she think of being called out? >> look, i think that the fact that twice before the debate donald trump called out columba is just beyond the pale.
she sent out a tweet saying, i am an american by choice. i'm proud to come to this country. honestly, it ended up being a very nice moment for us. what we saw on google was a huge spike and interest in wanting to learn about jeb and columba. it's an amazing love story. they met -- love at first sight in mexico. they had a language barrier. but she decided she wanted to come to america and that's part of the american dream. >> absolutely. that's part of the story. but when you plan that moment, because jeb took it to trump on this issue, do you think that trump was going to apologize? >> well, no. donald's never apologized. i think that was the point. we exposed him. you know, this is a guy that once said he's never asked forgiveness from god. i mean, this is not the pipe of person over the long haul will win a republican primary and i think jeb exposed that the moment. >> there is a flip side to this, tim, because during the debate
that was a moment when you saw a lot on twitter -- i got a number of e-mails during that moment which is, if you're going to force a guy to apologize or ask a guy to apologize to your wife, you have to push a little bit hearter than that. i mean, it didn't happen. trump emerged from that moment and kept on going. there are people who think that your boss, jeb, still can look at moments awkward on that stage next to the other candidates. >> i don't know about that. i disagree with you, john. i think the moment you showed right before that, when it came to defending his brother, like we said, trump was stunned. and i think that over the course of this debate, at every point where they disagreed, whether it was when trump claimed he tried to buy politicians and jeb said, you can't buy me when it came to casino gambling in florida, when it came to defending his wife and legal immigration or a muscular foreign policy, jeb won on the merits every time and he's going to continue between now and the caucuses and primaries. >> according to you, jeb came in first and second.
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this morning some people are calling it the carly crush. carly fiorina with a powerful performance as the newest addition to the main debate stage. there was a big applause line that came when she was asked about trump's comments to "rolling stone" about her face. of course, you remember trump said, would anybody vote for that? this was carly fiorina's response. >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. [ applause ] >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> that was fiorina and trump last night, of course. fiorina also had more to say on this topic just a short time ago right here on cnn. listen.
>> it's still different for women. it's only a woman whose appearance would be talked about while running for president. never a man. the point is, women are half this nation. women are half the potential of this nation. but somehow we still spend a lot of time talking about women's appearance instead of their qualifications. >> let's talk much more about this and the debate performance with republican congresswoman mia love from utah. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us. what did you make of that moment last night? it was the moment most everyone was waiting to see, how was carly fiorina going to respond. what did you think? >> hi, kate. you know, i thought it was absolutely brilliant. it's funny because i deal with the same things all the time. people are really surprised all the time when i've done my hope work, when i know the issues. i'm not surprised by carly's performance. a lot of people are surprised by it. this is the carly i know. this is the carly who knows the
issues. she did very well. she and marco showed they can be compassionate, shared personal experiences. very well versed on the issues. when it comes to the economy, they know they need to step out of the way and allow the free markets to do what it does best, which is lift people out of poverty and they have solutions. they showed they have solutions how to fix these problems. i was incredibly encouraged. and i saw the carly that i've actually seen ever since i met her. >> when donald trump sort of trying to clean up the whole face thing, his response was to say actually, carly, i think you're beautiful. i want to know what your reaction was at that moment. >> i laughed, i laughed, i smiled, because she was absolutely right. every single american heard that, especially every single american woman heard that loud and clear. this was a great example of how somebody needs a little more than just going out and showboating. they need a little more substance. and at the end of the day, i
think america saw these candidates for who they really are and what they can offer as the president of the united states of america. >> congresswoman, they went through the issues. they went deep into policy issues. one thing that also came up, though -- obviously, this is a debate so there's a lot of attacking each other's record. carly fiorina's record at hewlett-packard also came into question. listen to this. >> i led hewlett-packard through a very difficult time. the worst technology recession in 25 years. >> she can't run any of my companies, that i can tell you. >> you ran up mountains of debt as well as losses using other people's money and you were forced to file for bankruptcy not once -- >> i never filed for bankruptcy. >> -- not twice, a four times. a record four times. >> i made over $10 billion. >> now, that record, that hurt her, well, doomed her campaign for the senate back in 2010. it's coming back up. is this going to dog her now?
>> no. i think that everyone's record needs to come into play here. i use my record in saratoga springs, and i use those experiences there in my job here. i think those records, especially the positives of what she's done, should come to light. i think people need to use their experiences, but more than being out in the -- in the world and working with hewleu hewlett-pacd she went beyond that and showed she understood foreign policy and understood what it takes to actually be able to run this country. like i said, there were several people that stood out for me in this debate. i was encouraged to see her, to see marco rubio, even chris christie, come out and do some great things. and show that they have some substance and really blew beyond the politics of it all and really started going into the issues and how to solve them. >> a lot of those -- a lot of people had moments. it wasn't the trump debate, as everyone thought it was the first time around.
a lot of folks having moments, one being carly fiorina. congresswoman, it's great to see you. thanks much. >> thank you. >> of course, coming up for us, talking about trump. so, trump, did he tone it down? while his rivals came out swinging. and did jeb bush break through, find that energy and turn things around for his stalling campaign? we're going to discuss. the candidate a lot of people who thought dominated the first debate, the undercard, what we just learned may be the final undercard debate. will lindsey graham be on the stage one month from now? we'll ask him when he joins us live. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars.
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ana navarro supporting jeb bush and friends with marco rubio. you like who you like. neither of the people you like you think are going to drop out. i want to talk about scott walker, though. scott walker, the bar was very high. his people said he was going to come out and be different, be energetic, be part of this debate. he did have one moment early on a lot of people are talking about. let's watch that. >> mr. trump, we don't need an apprentice in the white house. we don't need an apprentice in the white house. we have one right now. he told us all the things we wanted to hear in 2008. we don't know who you are. where you're going. we need someone who can actually get the job done. >> so, that was what is largely considered his best moment. a lot of people think his only moment. >> which was like in the first -- in the first five minutes, and then there were another three hours of debate where he disappeared. >> walker supporters say he
didn't get asked a lot of questions. carly fiorina jumped in almost every discussion there. is scott walker in trouble? >> you know, i think he is. i think he is because a lot of what -- what his candidacy was based on was his very strong numbers in iowa. he was supposed to be the leader in iowa. he gave a good speech there at the beginning of the cycle and it led to strong numbers. those have plummeted. i don't know where he's getting his donors and his fund-raising from. he has made a lot of self-inflicted errors. a lot of wounding to his own campaign, hasn't taken positions, you know, has shifted positions and then can't even stick with the ones he shifted to. and he's not performing well in these debates. he got the last time to speak yesterday, and it's what you said. it's the nice midwesterner not butting in. >> people were making time for themselves. even if they weren't asked. >> that was the point of this debate. and i think jake and the moderators did a very good job at that, at promoting cross-talk and debate amongst themselves, not debate with the moderator.
>> another name we were taublki about this morning, rand paul. his big moment, it seemed like, when he attacked donald trump at the very beginning of that debate and then he didn't land a blow. >> he sort of wound up being the trump attack guy. and, you know, like rick perry, i don't think it helps him. i think ana's right about scott walker, and what this says to me, again, as we've been talking about now for several days, what we're seeing evolve here is outsiders versus outsiders. insiders, even a governor, is not making the cut here. so, that anybody who's held elected office of any kind is having a problem. that includes jeb bush, that includes all of these folks. >>hat you describe as insiders, i think, you know, a lot of them had very good debates last night. i think my florida guys, my 305 guys, you know, came in strong. and brought it. >> what about ben carson, doesn't ben carson had a place
in florida, too? is he in the 305? >> no. >> he's in florida. he has a golf place in florida. how did he do? >> he's not in the 305. we're very selective. >> how did ben carson do? >> i don't think he does very well. i think he disappeared for large moments of time. it wasn't a good format for him. it was a good format for folks with sharp elbows and can insert themselves into the conversation. he's a really nice guy. he may be too nice for this stuff. >> i mean, he was barely even heard from. >> he has the same problem i think donald trump had in this one. this was a very policy-focused, detailed debate. and, frankly, they were over their skis. they were beyond their skis. that's why donald trump disappeared for long stretches of time as well. which is a minor miracle in itself. >> but he had his message. i should say, just before i came on, i was on a radio talk show
in birmingham, alabama, the matt murphy show, and they liked carly. listening to the people calling in, carly, they still like donald trump. they're pretty strong on donald trump down there. but they also like ben carson. he's a little mystified for exactly the reason ana is saying -- >> here's the important part. as we learned at the top of the show from sean spicer of the rnc, there might be a smaller field on the next debate stage. >> exactly. it's coming. >> great to see you guys. >> thanks. >> get some rest. lots of buzz also about this guy, senator lindsey graham. his performance in the early debate last night. the south carolina senator was taking no prisoners. he's going to join us live next. before earning enough cash back from bank of america to take their act to the next level...
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all right. we've been telling you we were going to have an interview with the candidate a lot people thought had one of the best debate performances last night. >> and we were lying. no. >> but just into cnn. a dramatic reading of a tweet from senator graham. got stuck in the senate and had to miss my cnn interview. sorry, kate bolduan and john berman, but will catch up with you soon. #cnn debate. >> i'm a friend of lindsey graham, you got that accent all wrong. >> that is not a lindsey graham -- >> his quip last night about the drinking and the bar, there's a joke there, i will not make it. guys, let me ask -- >> apparently donald trump has taught him how to tweet. >> it's okay, senator, we'll talk to you soon. there was some news made on this
show at the beginning of the hour. we had shawn spicer, chief strategist for the rnc, who told us the next debate a month and a half from now may not have an undercard. that that predebate, that behindcy graham -- >> what does that mean for lindsey graham? >> how significant a development is that? >> i think it's starting to make sense, right? you had the first two debates. i think they were very fair about trying to include everyone. but at some point, if you are less than 1% in the polls, you've got to come to the realization that you're not going anywhere and it's nice to have -- to use this as a maybe, you know, business marketing plan as i think maybe george pataki is or, you know, bobby jindal. i can't even remember who the third person on there is, oh, rick santorum. but, you know, guys, you know, you may need to get yourselves another day job. >> but ana, unless -- obviously you wait to see the polls and what happens post-debate, but that could also mean your friend
lindsey graham. >> yes. >> if he doesn't get a bump. >> absolutely. he had a great debate yesterday. we saw carly emerge from the first debate, the first undercard debate, and if anybody's going to emerge from last night's undercard debate, it's going to be lindsay. he spoke the most. he was, you know, i ran into him aft the debate and i said i am so glad lindsey graham showed up. because in the first debate, he was devoid of lindsey graham, the witty smart, you know, who knows how to dig guy. >> unlike now. on our show. >> one of the problems here now is we have so many people running for the debate and the job is to be elected president of the united states and if you're 1% in the polls, you're failing at one of those tasks. >> so the interesting thing, though, is this. there was a separation because of the size of the stage. 10 or 11 candidates. at some point, can they set it at a percentage in the polls and some of those guys on the main stage last night, they weren't far away from lindsey graham in
the poll, at 3% or 2%. is there a number you would like to see this in a month, jeffrey? >> i'd like to see about five people on that stage. i'd like to see donald trump and carly and jeb and then we'll see would the others might be. >> you're not going to see five people. in one month. you might see five people in six months. i've got great news for you, america, we've got at least eight more republican debates to come. maybe as many as ten. so, you know, we can see this whittled down -- >> hopefully not for three hours each. >> but you can absolutely anticipate in conjunction with cnbc and this next debate that they don't have an undercard debate, they're going to take a lot of heat from these campaigns. >> yes, they will but, hey, life is tough. >> believe me, when you're the rnc, you get a lot of heat from campaigns no matter what you do. >> ana navarro, jeffrey lord, thank you. senator, we do look forward to speaking with you. >> he's got to teach you the
southern accent because you've got it so wrong. >> i don't know, senator, you're going to have to -- >> this boston thing is just not working. >> i'll do the accent next time. i got it down a little better. thanks, everybody, for joining us "at this hour." >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. hello, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield. who won cnn's doubleheader gop debate? 15 candidates getting angry and wonky and toughy and sometimes funny over five solid hours. team hillary clinton says she won the debate. but that of course is up for debate as well. soon enough we're going to find out whether carly fiorina, chris christie and yes, jeb bush, parlayed their applause lines into actual poll numbers and whether trump and cars reason still the rock stars they were going into this big