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sunday and weekdays on "the lead" at 4:00 p.m. eastern. that's "state of the union." fareed zakaria gps starts right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today we'll tackle the top stories affecting the world. refugees in europe, russians in syria, new threats from north korea. i've got a great panel to talk about it all. the final buzzer has sounded. critics in congress failed to thwart the iran nuclear deal, but there is one more group of hard-liners who could scuttle it. the ones in iran. will they? we'll discuss. also the rise of britain's
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radical left-wing leader, jeremy corbin, actually tells us more about the conservative party than the labor opposition. i'll explain to you why. then, sony walkman once ruled the streets. >> the walkman from sony. sony's tvs were ubiquitous, they invented the cd for goodness sakes. what happened? the financial times gillian tett will explain. first, here's my take. donald trump's presidential bid is centered on the promise of his personal talents. he says he's the most successful person ever to run for the presidency by far. george washington and dwight eisenhower sit down. but if there is an idea animating his candidacy, it is that america is being beaten badly by its economic competitors.
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in his speech on foreign policy this week, trump explained that america is being beftd by country's like china, japan and mexico because their leaders are smarter, more cunning, sharper than our leaders. they're killing us he often says. this is an odd moment to make this charge because the reality is almost entirely the opposite. the united states is more dominant on the global economic landscape today than at any point since the heyday of bill clinton's presidency. america's annual growth is almost twice that of the eurozone and four times that of japan. unemployment is the lowest in seven years. quote, the united states has come out of 2008 crisis better than all the others. says the head of global macro investing at morgan stanley. he continues. americans have reduced their debt burden more than the europeans. why china's debt has skrieryrocd
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to extremely dangerous levels. since the 2008 crisis u.s. equity markets have out performed all others. in fact, nine of the ten most valuable companies in the world are now american. the dollar is the currency of choice, closed quotes. when i was in europe last week businessmen there were concerned with what they saw as a new level of american dominance in everything from technology to entertainment to finance. consider america's big banks. they were at the epicenter of the global financial crisis. they were badly battered by it. then they faced lots of new regulations which critics said would cripple them. well, america's banks today are more dominant than ever. "the wall street journal" notes that in the last five years, jpmorgan chase, bank of america, citigroup, goldman sachs and morgan stanley have collectively increased in value by $254.6 billion. in the same period the european
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competitors barclays, ubs and royal bank of scotland have added just $9.5 billion of value. "the wall street journal" also notes that in july barclays chairman, john mcfarland, was asked if america's banks were eating european lenders' lunch. he replied, they're doing a good job of it. he added the u.s. banks are the only ones that really claim to be global and successful. to compare america's performance and leadership to mexico's, japan's and china's is particularly ill-timed. mr. trump might be stuck in a 1980s time warp on japan, when his "art of the deal" was published in 1987, americans were envious of japan's brilliant leaders who were set to be outsmarting the u.s. at every turn. since then japan is the poster child for economic stagnation and political paralysis. mexico is watching its growth collapse. the country was ill-prepared for
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plunging oil prices that have battered government revenues and growth. in the last few years beijing for its part went on a borrowing binge that has driven up its total debt massively. over the last two months it made mistakes in managing equity markets and currency. mistakes that have cost $400 billion, "the financial times" reports. of course america has problems that are worrying like wage stagnation and low labor force participation. but the important comparison is not to some ideal fantasy of what america might be, but to other countries in the real world. and the facts show, mr. trump, we're killing them. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week, and let's get started. it was a busy week on the world stage.
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the refugee crisis worsened. the north koreans threatened to nuke america. the united states tried to figure out what the russians were up to in syria. the pope headed to americas. i'll try to get to it as much as i can with my panel today. david frum was a speechwriter for george w. bush. he's now a senior editor at "the atlantic." david miliband is now the president and ceo of the international rescue committee and danielle pletka is at the american enterprise institute. irc deals with these refugee problems. describe the extent of the problem in europe. it's surely going to get worse now that germany, once you announce you'll take in all these people, the magnet affect must be large. >> last year was the world record for the number of people fleeing conflict and disaster. 20 million refugees.
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the european situation primarily caused by the syria crisis involves a moment about 400,000 people who have arrived in europe over the last seven or eight months. the majority of them from syria. i've been in lesbos, the greek island, that is receiving half of the refugees arriving in europe. frankly, it's an unspeakable scene because people say in aleppo i'm already dead and i'm willing to do anything to get out. >> you called this a lady diana moment or princess diana moment. explain what you mean. >> after the death of princess diana in that terrible car crash, there was an explosion of grief in britain. everyone was supposed to behave in a certain way and say say certain thing. anyone who spoke differently found themselves on the receiving end of this explosion of angry and fury. that was pre-social media. what has been happening is germany has just accelerated this gigantic movement of people
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not just from syria and not just the middle east, but west africa, pakistan, sri lanka into europe. and there is no end to it. this was an unthought decision with consequences the germans themselves don't seem to have anticipated. >> you really think it was a spur-of-the-moment emotional decision the germans made? >> it looks this way. this has been going on for many years. europe had a policy of keeping refugees and migrants out of europe. having very limited resettlement. they have had a very bad experience with migration in the past. they have much higher levels of long-term unemployment, long dependency on the state. prisons are disproportionately filled with the second generation from these migrations. it's becoming an ever-greater step to move from a poor country to a rich country. the skills you need are ever more remote. >> this is a fascinating moment where this massive outflow of
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migration, or refugees, call them what you will, is coinciding with a point at which every western country is experiencing greater anti-immigrant feeling. political parties that are fueled by it and donald trump's number one issue is migration. how does one handle it? >> first of all, i think they do matter. i think some of these people are economic migrants. if you're coming from pakistan, you're not a refugee from syria. if you're coming from west africa, you're not a refugee from syria. there are hundreds of thousands, millions of actual refugees who are fleeing circumstances that are really unimaginable. the horror of that is what is in many ways galvanized more action. is it unthought out? the challenge here is so enormous. western europe absolutely has to do something for these people. i applaud chancellor merkel. i think she's done the right thing. i think she has the conscience of a post-war german and i think
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she's acting on that. do they need to screen people properly, do they need to have a eu wide policy, absolutely. do they need to ensure that the people who they keep aren't shoved in and shoved into saudi run mosques in hamburg? absolutely. that's where they fall down. it's not on the compassionate side. >> what about the concern? i've heard conservatives talk about this particularly with regard to the united states. there's probably a lot of jihadis in there. who knows who these people are. maybe people who had weapons. do you think that's a bogey man? >> no, i don't. i think it's a reasonable concern. there are very, very bad people on the ground in syria, in iraq, all around the middle east. we know that. they need to be kept out. will they be taking advantage of these refugees? for sure. but that can't be an excuse not to have the appropriate global response to a crisis of this kind.
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we see babies washing up on the shore. we say, no, we can't let any of these people in because they're probably terrorists? screen the right ones out. >> you've seen these people. can you vet them? can you be sure there's not terrorists? >> it's harder to get to the united states as a refugee. there's very significant investigate. the employment rate of refugees after five years is higher than for the rest of the population. i think it's important to remember two things. mrs. merkel was responding to reality in september, august and september. there were already 350,000 refugees or immigrants who arrived this year. she recognized they were coming to germany. she decided that the best way of getting a burden-sharing arrangement would be for germany to take the lead. contrast that with the euro crisis and i think that's really the right thing to do. second, david really shouldn't confuse the issue of immigration, quote unquote, m g
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migrants with refugees. refugees have a well founded fear of persecution. there's responsibilities on states. the issue about immigration when it gets confused with the issue of refugee status in the end pollutes both. i think it's very important not to tar a generation of refugees with the brush that they're all going to end up in prison. >> you think this will transform europe. explain why. >> i don't think you can separate. i like the use the word migrant. i think it's neutral. migrant moves from place to place for whatever reason. nor do i think you can neatly distinguish between refugees who fear for their lives and immigrants who flee for a better opportunity. most people are on a spectrum of a variety of life. nor do i dismiss the desire of people for a better life. that's a powerful motive. in moderation it is strengthen europe. what is happening now is not in moderation. nor do i believe you can screen for it. the danger to europe has come from the second generation.
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we are back with david frum, david miliband and danielle pletka. the russians seem newly active in syria. when you were foreign minister, you dealt with the russians, you dealt with the current russian foreign minister. do you think that there is any solution to syria without active russian participation and help, and how does one get that since right now they are pretty simply
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and fully supporting the assad regime. >> the danger of brits talking about russia is britain thinks russia is a declining power, russia thinks britain is a declining power and both may be right. beware what follows. i think one has to see the move of putin and the russians into further support for assad as a sign of assad's weakness. there's no question that assad is in a weaker position than he was a year ago. maybe a stronger position than three years ago. but a weaker position than a year ago. i think that's necessitated the russian move. the hard thing is whether the procedures than pulling the rug from under assad. i wouldn't dismiss that. the truth is that assad has become a problem for the russian concern with islamic radicalism. the way in which assad has enabled and sponsored the rise of isis is a real issue for the russians. they have been consistent over four or five years and saying that is their concern in syria. although it may not be obvious,
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i wouldn't dismiss the idea that actually the russians may be setting the stage for a serious discussion with the u.s. that says, look, we can't pretend that we're going to sign up for geneva. we've got to find a way for assad to go. we have to find some common ground to do that. >> do you think they should take this up with putin? >> i don't think there's even any problem with talking to putin. the question is what we're going to do about this. i think you're being a little polyanna about what the russians are doing. they see a strategic opportunity, they assess that the other side is weak, they assess that the united states is not going to do anything, and they are there to fill the vacuum. my view is they are there to help assad. this is enormously complex. >> refugees that wear on our conscience. i would say let them all fight. >> you and i have had this argue before. this is sarah palin policy where you say i don't care that
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hundreds of thousands are dying, that's their problem. that is absolutely unconscionable. for the richest country in the world to stand aside and watch this happen, watch hundreds of thousands of people being murdered. >> what would you do? >> we need to find a solution like in lebanon in the 1990s. a very messy thing where they find a different way. >> after a 15-year bloody civil war. >> we hope it doesn't take that long. there's been more bled blood shed in this few years. the russians may have to be a sponsor which is going to be ugly but necessary. i'm normally pretty hawkish person. i was very much opposed to any attempt to intervene in this war. you don't intervene unless you're trying to stand up a state as well as take one down. that's never been possible. there has to be a brokered compromise. let's hope it takes less time and less blood. >> the key question in a sense
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that we have to deal with is, is the requirement that assad go, which has been stated by the american president, by the europeans, do we have to walk back from that? >> i think he's going to have to go but you may have to save the russian face in achieving that goal. if it's correct, assad is become a facilitator of isis not just by attracting jihadist but other ways that's quite well documented, the russians will never sign up to an american listing, but they can recognize reality. the fact is syria is already a divided country. never mind an absolutely bombed out country. i think the lebanon parallel is an interesting one that david raises. what happened is in the end a government was created in every community had a stake. that's precisely what it's impossible to achieve in syria at the moment. >> i want to get one last thing in which is north korea. when you were speech writer to george w. bush, you put north korea in because you were
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looking for a third country and the axis of evil was iran, iraq and north korea. what do we now do about north korea and its formation? >> i don't want to frighten anybody about the speech writing process, but actually i didn't put any countries in. i had a series of tbds, tbds. i just wrote the grammar. i didn't make the decision about which countries would be listed. that was a little above my pay grade. the decision to include north korea was not just one of ticket balance and ethnic diversity. it was also because that situation looked very, very scary at this time. since then the world has done a reasonable job of living with this constant irritant. one of the reasons they get more irritating is because the world has done too good a job of living with them and every once in a while they need to remind the world we're still here and still obnoxious.
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>> we need to encourage then to exert some pressure on the north koreans and they have the leverage to do this so they in fact stop doing this. >> we're going to have to go. this is absolutely fascinating. i wish i would bring you all back. next, david cameron has discovered the secret source for winning elections, but will america's republicans learn from their fellow conservatives across the ocean? i'll explain when we come back. play awesome party song. ♪
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now for our "what in the world" segment. when britain's labor party moved way left in the 1970s and early 1980s, somebody called one of its political platforms the longest suicide note in history. in fact, during that period the party ended up losing four elections in a row. >> jeremy corbin, leader of the labor party. >> they might be returning to that checkered past by electing a radical left-winger, jeremy corbin, to be party leader. corbin is for the abolition of the monarchy, against britain's nuclear deterrent and he calls hamas and hezbollah our friends.
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tony blair, the only leader to have led labor to loelectoral victory in the last 40 years argued in "the guardian" that labor would not only lo, but lose big in the next elections. why has this happened? many explanations focus on the financial crisis and its aftermath. the public is angry and ready for an anti-capitalist, anti-banker response. that's not the only piece of the story. the other crucial element is that the government of david cameron has occupied the center ground of british politics. just how far left has the current conservative government gone? it has moderated the austerity program it had in place once its debt and deficit became more manageable. it enacted a sweeping regulation of the financial sector. it actually raised some taxes. it promised to increase spending on the national health service. it announced a minimum wage rate to around nine pounds an hour by 2020 for everyone over 25.
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that's about $14 an hour in today's u.s. dollars. it has massively increased foreign aid. it's up 36% since 2011. david cameron speaks urgently about global warming and said annual carbon budgets. he's an eager advocate of gay marriage. pushed to legalize it while many predicted this would cause a revolt in his party and lead to a downfall in the next election. the torys are now to the left of every republican candidate who was on that debate stage wednesday night. this is not always the case. margaret thatcher was to the right on ronald reagan on many issues. david cameron's reformed conservatism places him much closer to the political center. his move is a master stroke because it forces the opposition into a corner. either labor becomes a me too party or it moves to the extreme end of the spectrum.
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in fact, the problem for the more mainstream leaders has been that they were seen as torrey light. now the labor party has the genuine article. an unreconstructed socialist who will keep the party ideologically pure and political irrelevant. the extremes make noise but look who is governing countries. angela merkel, even the leftist francois hollande in france has back tracked on much of his leftism. bill clinton's strategy is still the right one in a post cold war, post-socialist world. the most serious place in politics remains the center ground. that's where the majority of people are. maybe some of the republican presidential candidates should take note. next on "gps," now that the u.s. congress' opportunity to scuttle the nuclear deal has passed, it has one more big hurdle. the hiard-liners in tehran decie
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despite all the controversy and despite all of the grandstanding, on thursday congress' chance to vote down the iran deal ended rather quietly, i might add. don't forget there is another side to this deal. now iran's government has to agree to it and the supreme leader who will give the ultimate thumbs up or thumbs down said he wants his parliament to vote on it. according to "the new york times," the head of that parliament said there would be more drama in the iranian legislature than there was in the u.s. congress. a parliamentary vote is expected in early october. so will the hard-liners of the islamic republic enter into a deal with what they call the great satan. i have two tehran watchers joining me. thomas erdbrink is in tehran where he is "the new york times" breuer owe chief. and kareim sadjadpour is a senir
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associate at the carnegie endowme endowment. thomas, let me start with you. you wrote a really terrific piece in the new york times out lining the incredible push and pull that's taking place in iran. rouhani says this deal will begin the process of normalizing the relations with the u.s. there are people predicting there will be direct flights between tehran and washington. and new york within a month or two. now there are people saying oh, no, no, this won't happen for years. at the center of this question, which you pose but don't quite answer in your piece, is, is this all an act, and where does khamenei stand in all of this? where does the supreme leader of iran stand? >> i must say that while writing this piece i felt sort of lost. i've been reporting from iran for 13 years and it's getting harder and harder to really try
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and get grip and see what iran's leaders actually want. as you said, on one hand we have supreme leader ayatollah khamenei who the in the past three speeches has been saying really nasty things about the united states. he says the united states will continue to be the great satan and he says it's time now after nuclear talks to continue the fight with america. and then on the other hand, there's president rouhani, a man elected by the people here on a platform of promising more freedoms, better economy, and first but not foremost, very important to him, better relations with the united states. he is saying this nuclear deal is a new beginning. these are two very conflicting narratives. in all honesty i don't know which direction this is going. >> karim, you followed this very closely. thomas reports that one of the more troubling signs is that for
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the last week or two, iranian state tv has been night after night airing very fiery denunciations of the deal. what do you think we should read into that? >> i think as thomas put it very well, fareed, there is this inherent tension between the national and economic interests of iran, the iranian people, and then the revolutionary ideology of the islamic republic. i think the spreeupreme leader' this nuclear issue has been quite classic. he's been non-committal. he's refused to put it on this deal. it's been very machiavellian. what's interesting is that both the supporters and the opponents of the nuclear deal believe the supreme leader agrees with their position. >> thomas, what is the argument that the hard-liners make? you talked to some of these people. is it that they feel that this deal, you know in america the
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hard-liners felt that america gave away too much. is it their feeling that iran was taken to the cleaners, that iran made too many concessions? >> absolutely. a former nuclear negotiator site he went in front of the parliament commission that is currently reviewing this deal and he said there are more than 100 of our red lines crossed which means in iran's ideology lingo which means we have been taken to the cleaners. not everybody thinks the deal is bad. he's a very important foreign policy advisor to supreme leader khamenei. he's said no, this is a good deal. his term in office has senior negotiator has not managed to rouhani's team has done so.
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we must look beyond this. we must look beyond only the deal. this is also about which direction will iran take. we are looking at a very divided middle east and weakened saudi arabia, at problems across the region, and iran being the only stable state. for 37 years iran has opposed the united states because of its ideology. people have a feeling this ideology should be corrected, that maybe the hate towards the united states must be lowered down, that the great satan should be a lesser satan maybe. this will have consequences because will iran cooperate with the united states in the region? that is what the current debate is really about. because the nuclear deal, i think iran will accept that. >> karim, let me give you my thought and tell me if it's right. at the end of the day they'll pass this deal because rouhani is the most popular figure in iran it seems to me from what i'm reading. there's enormous sense of hope
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and expectation. for that hope to be dashed to be shattered by the rejection of this deal would be something that khamenei would not want to do. he's a theocrat but also a canny politician. so they'll at the end of the day grumbling accept this deal. does that make sense to you? >> that makes perfect sense to me. khamenei doesn't want to stand between iranians and economic deliverance. when the deal is passed and implemented, i think he will work hard to totally emasculate rouhani as he has done with iran's previous three, four presidents. khamenei's modus opperandi has been -- he'll want to blame him when popular expectations of the deal are not met. >> thank you for fascinating insights. up next, what do wall street bankers have in common with goat
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gillian tett is one of the most respected economic commentators in the world. she's now the u.s. managing editor for the "financial times" and one of the experts who predicted or warned about the financial crisis of 2008. when asked how she did it, she's credited her background and training in anthropology. that's right. tett is a trained socialant polgs with a ph.d. from cambridge. she did field work in tibet and pakistan.
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she wrote her dirz dissertation on a small goat-herding village. she now looks with an anthropologist eye at wall street. when she looks at these bankers and businessmen she sees people focused on their own specialized narrow businesses never noticing what their practices and products do to the economy as a whole. that was one of the underlying causes of the financial crisis. she calls this problem the silo effect. she's written a book saying it's not just in finance but business in general that people get trapped inside their groups and subcultures instead of thinking outside the box, or outside the silo, actually. pleasure to have you here. >> great to be here. >> you take on the central idea of efficiency, specialization, doing what you do to the nth degree. why is that a problem? >> here's the issue. we think today we live in a
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hyperconnected world where we have our cell phones, our airplanes, our supply chains, our markets. they link us all together. but the reality is, when you look at how we live and think, we are actually as fragmented, if not more fragmented, than ever before. sometimes that specialization is good. you need to have experts. you need to have departments that do things, you need to have professions. the problem is when you have hyperspecialization and when you have those different professions and departments that don't talk to each other and connect, then you start to get big problems. you get people who can't see opportunities and can't see risks either. >> one of your great examples of sony which was so dominant in the world of consumer electronics and kind of went by the wayside, what happened? >> my book tells stories of companies who were filled with bright individuals who did some really dumb things. tragically sony is one example of that. if you think back to what happened at the turn of the century, you had a generation of
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music listeners who were obsessed with the walkman. by all logical reasoning, sony should have dominated the era of digital walkman because it had not just computing, it had electronics, it had a great brand and it had its music label inside sony. you want to know why it didn't happen? it's because around the turn of the century, sony tried to get around the idea of a digital walkman, a portable electronic walkman and it launched not one, but two competing products because it had different departments that couldn't talk to each other or collaborate. that created a situation. >> every business is always telling its employees we want you to think outside the box, right? so how do you do that? how do you do institutionalize it? >> here's a tragedy. every company says we want you
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to think outside the box and yet almost every company these days is actual lly acting a way that makes the boxes more rigid because the sense is to be high proficient, streamline everything, cut out people who sort of roam around the building and cut out opportunity for employees to stop and think and roam mentally or just collide with each other. one of the first things you can do is fight back and recognize having some slack matters. take facebook, who are incredibly interesting because they've tried to be the anti-sony. they have deliberately implemented system where is you move employees around the buildings, swap people around teams, you bring them together from time to time to try and collaborate on different projects, you have architecture that forces people to collide the whole time. but the other thing that facebook does, which is perhaps most important is that they think. they recognize that human beings need organization, need to have dedicated teams and departments,
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but you also need to recognize that as soon as you create a box or a boundary, that can potentially be dangerous unless you stop, step back from time to time and actually think about the social structure that you've created for that company and the world you live in. >> is this all really somewhat similar to those goat herders in tajikistan? >> well, i actually think there's a lot of benefit in having a background in cultural anthropology when you try and make sense of, you know, how modern companies or modern institutions exist because we love to fool ourselves and think we are these incredibly wise 21st century individuals who live inside the space and actually aren't captured by our social and cultural rules anymore. the reality is we all are. we are just as shaped by our social rules that we inherit without thinking about them as the tajiks or any other society that anthropologists study. and if you want to get a sense of this, stop and ask yourself, if you're on twitter, look at
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who you follow and ask yourself how many of those are people who actually outside my own social tribe or have views different from me? and what would happen if i was to suddenly change half the people i follow on twitter and put instead people from a completely different social tribe? how would that change my perception on the world or life or understanding of the worrell? because in a sense, that's all that anthropology does. we try and think ourselves into another world, another mind-set. we try and understand the alien out there so that we can then look back at ourselves better and sees in more context and see the cultural rules and boxes that tend to control us unless we actually challenge them. >> completely fascinating. julianne tett, thank you. next, you've heard of the sacred cow. now meet the sacred chicken in india. i'll explain. when your windshield needs fixed, trust safelite.
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ahead of the pope's visit to the united nations, the u.n. voted to allow the flag of the vatican to fly alongside the flag of the u.n.'s 193 member states. it brings us to our question of the week -- what other nonmember entity was granted the right to fly its flag outside of the u.n. this year? taiwan, the palestinian territories, kosovo, or gibraltar? stay tuned and we'll tell you the answer. this book of the week is "silo effect." this is a valuable book. it uses tett's training as an anthropologist brilliantly to shed light on one of the key
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problems in any organization. the tendency to hold information, become insular and close yourself off to the outside world. the examples all from the private sector are wonderfully written and give you deep insight into the challenges of overcoming some very natural, deeply ingrained human behaviors. and now for "the last look." india is well-known for its sacred cows, literally. it is, of course, a majority hindu country, and cows are sacred for hindus. cows are known for freely wandering the roads and causing traffic jams. but now there is another lesser animal that seems to be getting special attention in india -- the chicken. that's right. mumbai's local government had planned to enforce a ban on the slaughter or sale of the lowly fowl in honor of a festival celebrated by the vegetarian community. janism is an ancient indian religion and its practitioners are often seen as supportive of the party in power in india, the
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bjp. critics view the ban as the party's attempt to curry favor, pardon the pun weather the wealthy jane community so, they've been protesting by waving live chickens and raw meat in the streets and selling them despite the ban. mow di's party is often described as hindu nationalist and since his election last year there has been increasing rhetoric and some actions that promote religious practices and symbols of hardline hindus. there have been also been some disturbing actions that are anti-muslim and anti-christian, both of which are minorities in india. this time people spoke out in protest and the government relented. chicken meat is back on the menu in mumbai. but this has now become an ongoing struggle and one of india's greatest modern achievements, its secularism and religious tolerance is under pressure. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is b. along with the flag of the holy see the u.n. voted to allow the palestinian flag to fly
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alongside those of the u.n. member states against the objections of israel and the united states. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello. i welcome our viewers in america and around the world. i'm jim sciutto in for fredricka whitfield. new polls show donald trump is falling, 8% and carly fiorina soaring to second place passing ben carson and jeb bush. also today, thousands gathering in cuba where pope francis is today. that is where cnn "new day" anchor chris cuomo is. he join ts me live in havana. chris, what's the scene like there? tremendous excitement. >> reporter: jim, what a day we've had. pope francis is taking cuba by storm. there was a massive mass and celebration this morning, but the big news is

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