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fall to transparent, veep, or parks and recreation? a the awards are 8:00 p.m. eastern time. >> we now have pictures of two american hostages who were released in yemen earlier today arriving in the omanny capital of muscat. the captains were held by houthi rebels in yemen and their freedom negotiated by the om omanis. their release comes at a time of intensified diplomacy in an effort to end yemen's six-month-old and bloody civil war. much more on this story in just a few minutes. let's get to some stunning first poll numbers since the second gop debate that aired on cnn. donald trump still leading the race with 24%, but that is a significant eight points lower than just before the debate. ben carson, he drops to third place at 14%.
marco rubio seeing a major jump over jeb bush but most notable, carly fiorina soaring in the into second place with 15% of the vote. >> now more people know who i am and we know based on what's happened before this debate that as people come to know me and they understand who i am and what i've done and most importantly what i will do, they tend the support me. >> now, a people do get to know her better, her favorability ratings among republicans are rising to especially when compared to rival trump. look at this, she's now a two-point lead over trump since the debate. joining me now, someone who know ls carly fiorina very well, representative nan hay worth from new york and also co-chair of fiorina's campaign. congresswoman, thanks for joining us. tell us first why do you think we're seeing this jump right now in carly's support? >> well, carly fiorina has proven that not only is she
exceedingly well qualified but she's also someone who has done her homework thoroughly. she knows the facts. she had been the leader of a company that had a worldwide presence. she has actually sat down with and met these world leaders. she chaired the extermnal affais committee for the cia. so when she cites facts and figure, she's basing it on expertise and thorough research and preparation and how refreshing that is. she speaks authoritatively and convincingly and compellingly and people are responding. >> i don't want to dismiss particularly powerful moments like we saw during the debate when she answered donald trump's comments about her face to applause from the crowd, but she does have questions to answer, for instance, about her business record, why was she in effect fired from that job, why did she then lose a race against barbara boxer. these are fair questions. they're hard questions. but they're fair questions.
how does she answer those as her popularity rises? >> well, carly has been absolutely fearless as you know about taking on the status quo and certainly she did that when she challenged barbara boxer, who is one of the ultimate political insider, in a very challenging state, certainly california -- carly fiorina clearly doesn't shirk away from a challenge. but in terms of her career at hp, she has said that she is happy to and proud to talk about her record there. she doubled the psi of the company. she quadrupled their cash flow. she tripled their -- >> company figure is very misleading because she presided over a merger and it wasn't that she grew the profits of the company. that doubling took place because she merged with another company and that merger has been seen years later as one of the biggest failures in the business world in 500 years. >> i challenge your premise because tom perkins, who as you
know runs one of the biggest venture capital firms, the most important in silicon valley, kliner perkins, was one of the board members at hp who actually did vote to fire carly fiorina in 2005. and he recently took out a full-page ad in "the new york times" saying, guess what, we were wrong, it was one of the most dysfunctional corporate boards in history, carly fiorina saw it 100 yards down the field things that none of the rest of us did. she was forthright in what she did. and she was correct. and in fact many companies did not survive that era of the tech bust. hp did. and in the years that followed carly's tenure, the several years that followed, the country did very well and she has been proven to have had foresight and been right. tom perkins is no one to trifle with, and he is a strong supporter. >> congresswoman hayworth, thanks for taking the time and for answering the hard
questions. we appreciate having you on this sunday. >> pleasure. despite donald trump's drop in the polling, he is doubling down on his reaction to those anti-muslim remarks from a supporter on thursday night. this morning on nbc's "meet the press" he refused to continue seed even that president obama is a christian. >> can you imagine supporting or being comfortable with a muslim ever became president of the united states? >> i can say that, you know, it's something that at some point could happen. we'll see. i mean, you know, it's something that could happen. would i be comfortable? i don't know if we have to address it right now. but i think it is certainly something that could happen. >> you said you had no problem putting a muslim -- >> some people have said it already happened frankly, but of course you wouldn't agree with that. >> donald trump not alone. now another republican is saying muslims do not belong in the white house. presidential hopeful ben carson. >> so do you believe that islam is consistent with the
constitution? >> no, i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> and would you ever consider voting for a muslim for congress? >> congress is a different story but it depend on who that pus this limb is. the congress does have two muslims. i want to bring in a practicing muslim who often speaks on global women's issues. she joins me now on the telephone. i have to tell you that just as an american i've spent a lot of time in the middle east but just as an american i'm amazed this kind of conversation is going on in the year 2015. when you hear these comments from donald trump or from ben carson or silence from other republican candidates, not
jumping on those comment, does it strike you at outright bigotry? >> thanks for having me on. it is outright bigotry. i don't think there is a debate. we have to look at who is saying these comments. both carson and trump are playing directly to their base. welcome to the politics of entertainment or the entertainment of politics. i mean, if there's one thing we can say about both kanld damtds it's that their claims to their base and i think the sad thing that it demonstrates and exposes to us is that phobia is very much alive. >> is that dangerous to play to the base? it may be politically smart but doesn't that stoke anger, bigotry, other dangers as well? it strikes me as dangerous. >> oh, it is completely dangerous. it's actually very irresponsible. and to, you know -- this is fear mongering 101. to kind of fan the flames of
anti-muslim sentiment and rhetoric in america is very dangerous. i mean, when did becoming -- being muslim and being an american become mutually exclusive things? why is it all of a sudden we're kind of seeing the old chirps from the bush administration, us versus them? i think we need to look at the fact that you cannot politically be, you know, a leader of this country by alienating minority groups. and i think that that's what we have to ultimately -- there's going to be consequences and i think there were polls this morning showing trump following behind. i think his rhetoric is catching up with him. >> you mentioned the bush administration. donald tru donald trump said it's not his job to defend the president or challenge a speaker. i want to remind our viewers what happened nine days after 9/11 when george w. bush addressed the congress. have a listen to what he said at
that fearful time in america. >> i also want to speak tonight directly to muslims throughout the world. we respect your faith. it's practiced freely by many millions of americans and by millions more in countries that america counts as friends. its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit terrorims in the name of allah blaspheme the name of allah. the terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying in effect to hijack islam itself. the enemy of america is not our many muslim friends. it is not our many arab friends. our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them. >> do you consider it an obligation of a leader or putative leader -- these people after all are running to be president of the united states, do you think they have an obligation to make positive comments like that about the
islamic faith? >> well, oh my gosh, first of all, hearing that speech by bush, he used to say one thing and practice i guess a very different kind of policy, but of course world leaders have a really big responsibility. we're not in high school anymore someone needs to give donald trump that memo. i think it's sad that politicians are sieg it as an effective tool of politics to kind of tend so directly to their faith. in the long run, i don't think that a person, a man or a woman who is leading -- who is leading america is going to succeed in a global position by isolate any group of people. >> we appreciate your thoughts on this. thanks for joining us. >> thanks. >> coming up, hillary clinton took on trump this morning. hear what she had to say about the man stopping the gop polls. plus, the pope is just about an hour away from a critical
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i'm chris cuomo live in havana, cuba. you can't say the word enough, history, because pope francis is making it with everything he's doing here. yes, there have been two visits of popes in 1998 and 2012 but neve like this one. a mass this morning aten by tens of thousands, cuban government says hundreds of thousands but at least tens of thousands to hear a message from a man an pope who has certainly had direct interest and influence on what people here want the moe, which is a rapprochement between cuba and america in the context of more freedoms. that is the man that came to them today. he was almost a symbol of something better.
to the faithful and the hopeful. that mass happened today. right after it, big news, the meeting everybody had been talking about, pope francis met with fidel castro. tpsz said or the infornal, congenial, fidel castro had expressed an interest in books, pope francis gave him books, his family was there, he wished him well. an important step in galvanizing relations in the interest of progress. we've seen that with the relationship of recall and pope francis. what will that mean when he goes to the writs? how will he carry forward his message after this mass? we'll have to see. this afternoon he's meeting with the helds ads of state, the minr officials for the regime. that is typical. the vatican is a sovereign. the big meeting comes after that at about 6:30. that is where he'll meet with
2,000 young people and at the insistence of the vatican the government of cuba will provide wi-fi or as they say in spanish here wee-fee. the church provided the equipment but the authorization comes from the government and the young people meeting there will be encouraged by the pope and the government to use social media and talk about what life is like in cuba. this is the schedule going to the united states. the first pope to address congress. because he was invited. by who? speaker boehner. why did he do that? interesting question. he is a catholic but they have to know pope francis is coming with a message that is not exactly going to be embracing of everything that happens within washington, d.c. this is a special trip all
around. couldn't get a word in edge wiese talking to you on the plane, rosa flores. >> i was excited. >> also a big personal moment for you. tell us about it. >> it was such a great moment because it was prank on this plane with a lot of excited journalists. more than 140 applied to be on plane. 70 were given tickets. cnn was given one journalist, and that was for me. i was excited and humble. it's the first leg, the pope leaving rome and arriving in cuba. we've been hearing a few words like you mentioned, the words peace, the worlds freedom, and so we're all listening to see if we're getting clues about what his message is going to be in the united states and that's what we looked at. take a look. the pope's visit to the u.s. was supposed to be all about
philadelphia and families. but a stop in cuba, a cameo in the u.s. congress, a speech at the u.n., and the visit could create a trinity of tension. first havana where the vatican's influence helped ease 60-plus years of cold war animosity between the u.s. and cuba. >> there is a checkered and comply catted past, but that's the past. the pope is about living in the present and moving forward. >> reporter: during president raul castro's vatican meeting with francis earlier this year, the communist leader said he plans to attend every mass celebrated by francis. with castro in the pews, will the pope scorn the country's history of human rights violations and lack of religious freedom? pope francis told students in cuba thursday through video conference he'd like to see friendship between the u.s. and castro's communist nation saying -- >> translator: one of the most beautiful things is social friendship. this is what i would like to be able to achieve, social
friendship. >> reporter: whatever the pope says in cuba will set the stage for a major address before a divided house in american congress. during his recent visit to south america, francis called capitalism the dung of the devil. but will he utter those words inside the nation's capitol? >> usa! >> and what about those presidential candidates? >> we have to build a wall, folks. >> reporter: that charged anti-immigration rhetoric polar opposite to the pope? >> i'm not sure if he's worried about alienating people. he'll be encouraging but he speaks the truth. >> reporter: hi speech before the united nations at a time hundreds of thousands of christians are fleeing persecution in syria, iraq, and afghanistan. will he put world leaders in the hot seat asking them to do more to help refugees or will he praise the nations who are already accepted thousands? no one really know what is francis will say during his more
than 20 speeches. if he speaks off the cuff, cuba, congress, and the united nations better get ready for a coming-to-jesus moment. we definitely could experience a coming-to-jesus moment. if you have a question for the pope, tweet me with #askthepope. >> he's nope to go off script as you know, row san jose sharks but so far in cuba he's stuck to the script. when he leaves and goes to the united states, he will address the congress, the first pope to do that, invited by speaker boehner. and you'll have a man in the form of pope francis who is all about unity going to one of the least unified places on the planet. so let's talk to one of our elected representatives from the u.s., jerry conley,man out of virginia, democrat. can you hear us? >> i sure can. how are you, chris? >> doing well, sir. thanks for joining us. the pope is coming to you. he's referred to capitalism as devil dung.
he's probably not going to be that scornful when he comes in there, but what do you expect to hear from the pope and what do you think the plus/minus is on this occasion? >> this is a smart, intelligent man. i don't think he's going to come to the congress and deliberately drive wedges on issues. he carries a message of tolerance and inclusive ti. the most famous thing he said in my opinion is when he expressed that phase, who am i to judge? toning down the judgment, the divisions, the instability. we could benefit from. and i think that part of his message is something very welcome. >> what will not be welcome? >> i'm sure if he gets into specific issues there will be reactions.
we democrats welcome his views on climate change and stewardship. my friend on the other side of the aisle welcome that less. but i think he'll be well received, that everyone will be on their best behavior and i think it's a historic event. the history of catholicism in america has been very uneven. we were a suspect immigrant foreign religion for a long time. so the fact that the head of that church is finally invited to address the joint session i think is a historic moment in coming to closure on that chapter of intolerance in american history. >> here's a guess that something that this come out of the pope that will be a challenge to both sides of the aisle. the first will be looking at your side of tooil and saying talk the cheap, and immigrants, big problem with the policy, big problem with respect of people, big problem with lack of leadership. you've been in power. you said you were going to do something about it and you haven't. fair criticism? and what's the response? >> i'd be real surprised if the
pope said that, chris. >> why? it's true. >> because i don't think he wants to play politics. i do think he will have a message about our responsibility to our fellow human beings, immigrants, legal or illegal, refugees as is going on in europe today, and on my side of the aisle that will be a very welcome message. >> right, but it's going to be about the action, not just the talk. that's the big dipstinction between what the pope is calling for and what we've seen. for the other side of the aisle it will be more of a religious context, not that people in your party can't be religious, burr these conservative values seem to smack of christian themes more often than not. i think from the pope what we've been hearing down here would be the message of don't say it, live it, similar in terms of, you know, the policy mandate with immigration. but how do you think that will resonate?
>> i don't think either party has a lock on who's relsous or spirituality. half of all the catholics in congress are democrats. half-and-half. all of us have a well spring of spirituality that informs us. i think what he's saying is there are values, there's doctrine, he hasn't changed that, but he has changed the to tone. let's be a little more open to the other point of view and at the same time as you suggest he's calling us to responsibility. whether it's immigration, human life, whether it's the environment. >> i guess the hope is he's cloorly bipartisan by definition and when he comes in there, our focus of intentionality to service will remind it's not always about putting the other
guy down, sometimes it's about lifting the other guy up. >> that's exactly right. >> i look forward to your reaction after the speech and we'll talk again then, i hope. >> thank you, chris. >> thanks for join us. much more about the pope from havana. literally every time he's taking a step at these meetings they're all historic because of what his motivations are. doesn't cheapen the term. it enriches it because of what his goals are. we'll also talk to you about a special documentary we have that will lay out who the man is in pope francis like you've never seen before. stay with us.
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two americans who have been held captive by houthi rebels in oman are free. senior international correspondent nick paton walsh has more from beirut. >> reporter: this flight to the capital muscat ending a months-long ordeal for two americans here. one was there working for a company. little else is known about the other and what brought him to be in yemen. but the fate of a third american unclear at this stage. he was not on that plane and there was much confusion,
frankly, during this day about whether or not there were three americans on board, one diplomat is a-in sanaa speaking to me and other yemeni officials believe that was the case. clearly wasn't on that plane. as many as three saudi nationals according to oman state television, and a uk official continue if i wering to me there was a britain travel ong that plane as well from sanaa to muscat. when he landed he received copps lar assistance from the british embassy there. clearly this tense set of negotiations, the omani officials involved as well as americans, have brought two individuals to safety. perhaps a houthi delegation were on that plane traveling to oman as well. they may be in oman to try and start up again peace talks. now, the houthis have been in a months-long brutal civil war now against the saudi-led coalition battling the former yemeni government in yemen. the houthis frankly have been losing a lot of ground.
now heavily bombarded in the capital sanaa and the u.n. tried to broke err peace process. the diplomat i spoke to said that this hostage release, captive release, call it what you will, perhaps a goodwill gesture to get the peace talks started again. that may happen in oman in the days ahead or it may not. the diplomat i spoke to very pessimistic, frankly, feeling that a saudi coalition believes it has the military upper hand and may pursue a more military option rather than letting peace talks go through. civilians losing their lives frequently in yemen, 2,000 so far, a total of 5,000 having died in the this conflict. but today for two american families at least some good news, their loved ones to safety. jim? >> nick paton walsh from beirut, thank you. with bernie sapders' poll numbers climbing and vice president biden considering entering the race, is hillary clinton's campaign in trouble? we'll talk to a veteran journalist who knows the former secretary of state well. carl bernstein joining us next.
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hillary clinton issued a strong, stern warning today to republican front-runner donald trump. she says his refusal to rebuke anti-muslim remarks from one of his supporters is dangerous. >> he is fuelling a level of paranoia and prejudice against all kind of people. and when you light those fires you better recognize that they can get out of control, and he should start dampening them down and putting them out. >> joining me now, carl bernstein, who wrote "a woman in charge: the life of hillary rodham clinton." good to have you on. >> good to be with you. >> did you think hillary clinton would ever have imagined that she would be duking it out in this race with donald trump? >> no, and trump is a real gift to the democrats and hillary
clinton, but at the same time something else is happening, and that is that the people close to hillary clinton believe the wheels are starting to come off her campaign and it's because of her own lack of truthfulness as well as playing into the hands of her enemies on the servers and other issues and it's a self-destructive enterprise her campaign thus far, and they're worried that bide season going to come into this race, and people tell me he probably will come into the race, and the fact of her being the nominee is by no means a certain thing right now as her campaign wobbles and the wheels get looser. >> jill biden has made it clear she would not stand in the way if he decided to get in and biden's advisers did not challenge that report, seeming to accept it as true. you've spoke on the people close
to biden. you think he's going to run. >> i talked -- for several weeks i've been saying people around him believe that he is increasingly moving towards running. it's still undecided from what i understand. i think what happens on october 22 b when hillary testifies before the again ghazi committee might have a real influence on whether or not biden goes in although he might announce earlier than that. this committee of congress is on a witch-hunt after hillary clinton, but again, she has played into their hands by her inability to be open and truthful, and biden is aware of this and biden wants to run. does he have the fire? increasingly we've been told he does but wants to wait a little longer. >> carly fiorina, i wonder if you think that in clinton's mind she might be concerned that 2016
may very well produce the first female president of the united states but not hillary clinton. >> i think carly fiorina's emergence as a serious possibility of being on the ticket makes democrats even more wary of hillary clinton and that's the problem the clinton campaign is now looking at. fe carly fiorina's ascendency is bad for hb hk's campaign. donald trump has totally upended what this election campaign, the 2000 presidential campaign, is about. now he's on his way out perhaps, he's fading, he's a demagogue, he's demonstrated his ignorance of many, many facts in the debates that he's been featured. he can't handle serious questioning. he's got a big following but it's starting to dissipate perhaps. but he has defined this
campaign's and to hillary clinton's disadvantage. so now perhaps by going after donald trump as we've just seen her do, she could get some muscle back in the game. but joe biden is very much on the horizon, worrying her advisers, and also the fact that now as trump fades that other more credible candidates, even if they repeat much of donald trump's stand on the issue, they do it in a more palatable way. yes, it enables the democrats to paint the republican message as far to the right, continuing to hammer afro v. wade, which is not a winning issue for the republicans the democrats believe, especially not a winning issue of hillary clinton or joe biden, biden a catholic, is the head of the ticket. but really her campaign is the big story along with trump right now. and both are showing signs of
fading but the real thing is that people who believe in hillary clinton, who have wanted her to win all along are now having doubts, and some of them very angry at her because they think she's endangering the democrats' chances of winning by this -- you know, if you look at the book i wrote, "a woman in charge," i say since her arkansas years, hillary clinton's had a difficult relationship to the truth. now, it's not different than many other politicians. she's always said, well, i'm different than other politicians. i stand for something better. now this pattern that goes all the way back is coming to define her as well as how good she is on the issues. she's great on the issues. problem with truth is a big problem. >> we'll have leave it there. wide-open race. great to have you on as always. >> good to be with you. >> we are less than 30 minutes away from an historic meeting in the cuban capital. president raul castro will meet one-on-one with pope francis.
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raul castro returning to catholicism. you laugh, but don't laugh too quickly. let's bring in patrick. it should be a joke because this is a communist regime. they rejected religion. but he's been inching back towards the pope at least on a political level. what else could be there? >> there's a friendship. a lot of people did laugh when he said it, and he said it's not a joke. we'll be looking closely in the next few days any more signs of raul castro returning to his long-ago abandoned catholicism. >> reporter: it was supposed to be a photo-op. the pope meets the president of cuba. then raul castro went off script, way off script. "if the pope continues talking like this, i may go back to the church and start praying again. i am not joking." it could have been castro's way of thanking the pope for playing a crucial role in restoring u.s./cuban relations. if castro is thinking returning to the fold, it would be quite a turnaround. over three decades his
revolution all but banned religion. his comments weren't a complete surprise to cuba's cardinal, ortega, who told cnn that in his office the cuban leader has a statue of a version of the virgin mary that looks similar to this. he was supposed to give the statue to pope benedict but then he changed his mind. "many people who visited his office told him it was really nice and that he should leave it there and have another one made for the pope, and that's what happened. he gave another one to the pope when he came and that one stayed in his office." during his trip to cuba, the pope and raul castro will be seeing a lot of each other. we are in revolution square where the pope will deliver his first mass in cuba. what's different about this papal trip is raul castro will not only be in havana, he'll be at all three of the masses the pope gives while he's in cuba. many people say it's beyond a
symbol of respect that it is actual lay sign of the friendship that's developed between these two very different men. francis biographer austin ibare says changing the u.s./cuban relationship is part of the pope's future legacy. >> i think he's coming here because this is part of the process which began with the restoration of those diplomatic ties. i think he's coming to build bridge, coming to heal wounds. the fact he's going from cuba to the united states i think is highly significant. i think the sea between miami and havana is to this papacy what the berlin wall was to john paul ii. >> reporter: so far church leaders say there is no sign that raul castro has returned to religion, but pope francis says he wants to build bridges and heal old wounds in cuba. and perhaps in the unlikeliest of places and people restore some faith. >> he told me if john paul ii helped bring down the wall that francis' legacy might be
building this bridge. let me ask you something. to this date we don't know that he has really pushed raul castro about what p regime dawes, what it should not do, and how it should change. in raul's message yesterday it was all about what he wants out of u.s./cuba's situation, not what he's willing to give. >> he talked to u.s. negotiators and said cuban negotiators are some of the toughest in the world to deal with, a very top-down hierarchical system, raul castro does what he wants to do, very hard man, intimid e intimidati intimidating. praps might be one of the few world leaders who has a little leverage. >> what would the leverage be? if he says you have to let all these people out, you have to do this and that, what is to keep raul castro from saying i'm leaving in two years, i'm not going out being a sucker to some pope, to put it in crass language, and say i'm not doing anything you want? >> raul castro needs a church. failures have left a lot of people out in the cold, and the church is stepping in in a big way. it's helped to build a bridge. something castro needed very
badly to the united states. a lot of people feel they're owed by the government, but pope francis definitely is a big chip. we'll see how much raul castro is willing to give. >> patrick altman, insightful peace. like it. when we come back, more coverage and we'll tell you about a special documentary we've done for you called the people's pope. tuesday night 9:00 p.m. eastern. to understand the pope, you need to know who he is. we go back to where he's from, where he grew up, we talk to those who know him best. then you'll understand. plaque psoriasis... ...isn't it time to let the... ...real you shine... ...through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection, or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla saw 75% clearer skin after 4 months. and otezla's prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't take otezla if you are allergic to any of its ingredients.
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i want to welcome our friends from around the world. new polls show that donald trump is slipping and carly fiorina soaring to second place passing ben carson and jeb bush. thousands gathering in cuba where pope francis is today. chris, tell us what the emergency is like there. >> reporter: it's been a really exciting day for so many reasons especially just looking at what this means for people of