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tomorrow celebrating mass. see you again 11:00 p.m. eastern tonight for another edition of " "360." the cnn special report "the people's pope" starts now. the following is a cnn special report. >> he is a pope like no other. >> tens of thousands of fans coming out to see the pope. >> pope francis is changing the vatican and challenging tradition. >> i think he really opened a new chapter in the history of the church. >> papa. >> from the slums of buenos aires to the seat of st. peter. we retrace his extraordinary journey with those who know him best. >> are you ready? are you ready?
>> pope francis. rock star, reformer,. "the people o's pope." ♪ vatican city. a world unto itself. headquarters of the catholic church and home base for its leader, the pope. after the death of john paul ii in 2005, a surprising candidate emerged to replace him. cardinal jorge bergoglio from latin america. >> bergoglio was increasingly spoken of in some circles in rome as being a possible future papal candidate. there was clearly a group of cardinals not just in latin america who were looking to him. ♪
>> over the last 2,000 years, more than 260 men have occupied the role and countless more have coveted the power of the papacy, but as for cardinal jorge bergoglio, he desperately did not want it. so when german cardinal joseph ratsinger was elected pope, friends say no one was more relieved than cardinal jorge bergoglio. >> he avoided coming to rome as much as possible. i think what he disliked in the vatican was what he saw as a certain kind of pomposity. a certain kind of traditionalism. >> with pope benedict xvi installed in the papal apartment, bergoglio was free to go home. this is buenos aires, the capital of argentina.
a place known for steak, soccer, the tango. this is the place that would shape the man who would become pope francis. the bergoglio family lived here. the flores neighborhood which looked very different then. >> jorge bergoglio is a lower middle class kid in buenos aires. >> austin ivory is author of "the great reformer: francis and the making of a radical pope" and interviewed dozens of pope francis' friends and associates. >> if you had to describe the neighborhood of flores in the 1930s, the roads aren't paved at that stage. they're mostly dust. the roads turn to mud when it rains. these are simple houses. usually one-story. >> he was the typical family of migrants from italy. >> journalist elizabetha picay
has known the pope more than a decade and wrote a book about him called "pope francis: life and revolution." >> he had a very normal childhood. he would go and play with fwren friends in the street. he would play football. >> people were very struck by his concern for others. i think that was there from the very, very beginning. >> translator: in 1950, i started at the school that was called the food industry. i studied chemistry dedicated to food industry and that's where we met. >> oscar crespo has been close friends with pope francis since they met in school 65 years ago. >> translator: we were good friends. and the truth was that he was one of the students that stood out most in class. >> very smart, but not arrogant. he was very willing to share and to help. >> translator: one of his characteristics, a
characteristic of his entire life was humility. >> of course, bergoglio's humility did not rule out occasional mischief. >> translator: we had in the first, second, and third year a spanish language professor whom we admired very much. >> right. you loved him. you loved the one teacher but then he left. >> translator: but he retired. and they named him as place of teacher who was very rigid. >> so rigid that the two friends wrote a note on the blackboard demanding the return of their former professor. and when the new professor walked in, she saw that and didn't like it very much and she called the head master. he gave us a stern warning. this is the only stern warning bergoglio had in his whole career. >> by all accounts, he was a pretty typical teenager. >> being a teenager, he would go and dance, tango, and he would
participate through parties. >> he danced well? >> translator: yes. he danced well. and he liked it. he would go dancing every saturday at the parties that the club hosted. >> and at one dance club he worked part time as a doorman. >> these are very respectable kinds of dancers but just because there was any trouble, they had somebody stand outside. he did that job for a while. he was a kind of a bouncer. >> and like so many teenage boys, he developed a crush on a girl. >> translator: he didn't like to let his feelings for the opposite sex arise, but when he was 16 or 17 years old, he met a young lady and he told me that she made his head spin. because of the way she was. she was very intelligent, very well-educated.
when we come back, a secret. >> translator: he said, i'm going to tell you something that i haven't told anyone else. >> and the woman who wanted to keep the future pope from even entering the priesthood. >> i think it came as a big shock to her. withof my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis... ordinary objects often seemed... intimidating. doing something simple... meant enduring a lot of pain. if ra is changing your view of everyday things orencia may help. orencia works differently by targeting a source of ra early in the inflammation process. for many, orencia provides long-term relief of ra symptoms. it's helped new ra patients and those not helped enough by other treatments. do not take orencia with another biologic medicine for ra due to an increased risk of serious infection.
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bergoglio. >> translator: among that group of friends there was a girl he had a crush on and he was going to declare his love to her. >> and he was passing by this -- this church of his neighborhood, and he felt the need to go to this church. >> more than just a need. in a radio interview in 2012, then-cardinal bergoglio expressed wonder at the force that drew him inside. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: and he never went to the picnic. he never declared his love to that girl. that day he declared his love to god. >> his parents expected him to become a doctor, but young bergoglio saw another path to healing was one he confided to his friend, austin crespo.
>> translator: he said, i'm going it tell you something ihaven't told anyone else, i've decided to dedicate myself to the priesthood. >> his mother stumbled on to his secret while she was cleaning. >> translator: she found books in latin, theology, philosophy, the bible. then she grabbed my uncle and said, jorge, listen to me, how to you expect to get into medical school? this is not medicine." my uncle replied, "yes, mom, this is medicine for the soul." >> medicine for the soul. >> translator: he was 18 years old and he came up with that answer. >> she argued against it and said, no, wait, you're too young. and things got quite bad in the bergoglio household. it got quite tense for some months apparently, but jorge went off to seminary, at the age of 20.
>> first his parents then a second obstacle to his calling, his health. >> he had a terrible pneumonia, cysts on his lung which were removed in an operation which resulted in horrific pain. he was kept alive with oxygen tanks. >> though that surgery would become a major issue many years later, then the young bergoglio recovered and soon made a big decision to switch to a jesuit seminary. >> the jesuits are the great reformers, the great radicals, the great missionaries of the catholic church. they began in the 16th century. you know, precisely with a radical mission to reform the church and to be among the people. >> reformer. radical. a priest among the people. all would define the man bergoglio became. december 1969 he was ordained
and led all the jesuits in argentina, quite young for the job but a mandate to reform. >> the jesuits ignored other older jesuits and they chose him. many said to me, you know, we look to him as a kind of -- he was the storm pilot. you know, he was the one who needed to take the tiller in the storm and it's interesting how this has been a consistent theme actually throughout his life, that when the church is in crisis, they look to him. >> his first turn at leadership was as he admitted in a magazine interview troubled. "my style of government as a jesuit at the beginning had many faults. i was only 36 years old. that was crazy. i had to deal with difficult situations and i made my decisions abruptly and by myself. it was my authoritarian way of making decisions that created problems." six years later he took on a different leadership role as head of the jesuit college. at the college, he lived in this
small simple apartment looking now much like it did back then. >> translator: he is a quiet and simple man. a sign of a great leader is to be a good listener, and he is one of the greatest in that respect. >> father angel rossi was at the college with bergoglio. >> translator: bergolio breaks all the rules. he's a deeply spiritual person who lets himself be guided by the heart. of the soul, isn't he? >> bergoglio taught by example, spending as much time in the community as the classroom. >> translator: this was in the 198 1980s, 35 years ago. he was the wise man in a poor village. a working class neighborhood. >> daniel lopez was a very young boy living in that neighborhood. life was hard, but bergoglio made the kids feel important. that their lives could matter. >> translator: here at maximo,
they gave us children's day. they would give us hot chocolate, they would give us toys. the toy was a nice gift you could take home because sometimes mom and dad couldn't buy anything for us. >> even more important than toys, lo pesz says bergoglio taught them how to be good people. >> translator: he was, as you'd say, a superhero. he energized you. he also challenged you. he gave you discipline. he helped me to become a good man. >> daniel became the first in his family to attend college. earning a degree in business administration. coming up, the period in the life of pope francis you rarely hear about. >> now clearly the new regime and the jesuits wanted him out of the way. >> exiled. >> he was told not to have contact with the other jesuits,
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this college in buenos aires where he was known for his faith and touch. >> yet he continued to have a power over the jesuits in the province which was very unusual. now, a number of the other older jesuits resented that. >> priests are not immune to jealousy and petty politics. bergoglio was about to feel the bite. >> the new regime and the jesuits wanted him out of the way. >> far out of the way. they exiled bergoglio, sending him to cordiba, 400 miles from buenos aires. >> translator: he went to cordiba to go through a period of reflection, of silence. >> father angel rossi who has known pope francis for 40 years used to visit with him in cordiba. >> translator: he said, "i never considered it an injustice.
these were the circumstances. it was painful and he did not have it easy. >> this journalist and javier interviewed pope francis about his time in cordiba. >> translator: a lot of people talking about it as being an exile, that they took him out of buenos aires and sent him to cordiba with no activity, no role, not even a mass schedule. he lost all authority. >> translator: the pope, himself, told us that in cordiba, he spent time in the shadows. a dark time. >> this was his room. >> translator: he studied. he prayed a lot. me wro he wrote a lot. >> i read quite a lot of what he wrote in that period and it's clearly a dark time for him, a wintertime. a time of paring back.
>> a process that would put bergoglio on a very different path. here he prayed before sunrise. meditated. and listened to confessions. >> translator: when we asked pope francis what he read during that time, he said, "i don't know why, but during that time i read the history of the popes." and we asked if that helped him today and he said, "yes. yes, it helped me a lot." >> bergoglio's exile in cordiba lead to his realization that humility should drive his service and that would become his signature trait. >> translator: it was only two years of his life, but i don't have the slightest doubt that it helped him to become an even more humbled person. simpler, more dedicated. >> and ready for his next challenge.
>> cordiba came to an end because the man who became the archbishop of buenos aires basically said to the vatican, look, i need this guy as my assistant bishop. >> so after nearly two years in exile, jorge bergoglio returns here to buenos aires but he is a changed man and now comes his second chance at leadership. >> so when he became bishop after cordiba, you immediately see in his leadership style that it's much less executive. it's all about walking with people, giving time to people. >> gone was the hard-charging style of days past. in its place, a profound humility that he never lost. >> in 1998 when he became archbishop of buenos aires he
decided not to go and live in the residence of the archbishop, but he decided to live in a small and very simple room. he had the right to have the car with a chauffeur. he said, "no, thank you." >> instead parishioners could find the prominent head of ar g argentin argentina's catholic church sitting on a subway platform or sitting next to them on the bus. even when he was made a cardinal in 2001, bergoglio remained unassuming. >> when he started to move and become bishop, archbishop, cardinal, did your friend change or is he the same jorge? >> translator: jorge is the exact same person today that he was at 13. >> really? >> translator: exactly the same. >> with exactly the same stinging sense of humor. bergoglio's nephew, jose.
trnks. >> translator: it is customary to give a light slap on the cheek to each child taking confirmati confirmation. he'd been giving a light slap to everyone. when it came to my turn, he gave me a tremendous slap that made my head turn. >> how bouwould you describe his a man? is he funny? >> yes, he has a special humor. >> how is he special? >> acidic. >> acidic humor? >> can he take it or give it only? >> he takes and he gives. >> you might not expect this man to be one of the pope's closest friends, but he is. >> in americaby ha we have an expression that's slang where we say "a brother from another mother." >> yeah, that's true. that's true. >> is that you and francisco? >> yes. we are are brothers. >> they appeared together on a serious of archdiocese tv shows.
as you got to know him, interfaith dialogue became very important. that has some critics in the catholic church. why is it so important to him to be that way? >> because the dialogue's the key in order to reach peace. peaces in the world. peace in the church. >> you think you rubbed off on him a little bit, you influenced him, how he thinks now? >> undoubtedly, and he influence of me. i learned a lot from him. >> one of the big lessons from him to you, do you think? >> what it means to be humble. next -- death threats and danger in the slums of buenos aires. did the threats stop after that? did things calm down?
making matters worse -- >> a statement now from the vatican. pope john paul ii has died. >> the most popular pope in modern history, gone. >> all the cardinals go into the sistine chapel and start what is the most important moment of their careers as cardinals. >> that moment, to elect a new pope, but this time something was different. >> remember the secret affairs, you're not supposed to know who got what, but a cardinal who had taken part in that 2005 conclave later that year published a diary which gave a very detailed account of the voting and the numbers. >> some say it was no accident the diary came out. to show there was someone other than cardinal ratzinger getting support. cardinal jorge bergoglio. >> he was deeply alarmed by this and over lunch on the second day of the conclave said to the other cardinals, no, do not vote
for me, please vote for joseph ratzinger. >> but why? journalist elisabetha pique knows bergoglio well enough that he baptized both of her kids. >> i think i would respond with something he said to little girl from jesuit school and she asked, did you want to be pope? he said, you have to be crazy, you have to be totally crazy to want to be a pope. >> perhaps cardinal bergolio didn't want the pomp and the politics or didn't feel ready for the papacy. perhaps he simply felt his place was here. leading the priests of buenos aires in the work that mattered most to him, ministering to those in need. >> he wanted his priests to be in the hospitals, in the old people's homes, in the shantytowns, in the places of suffering. >> like this, one of the worst
slums in buenos aires. many 2009 he sent father carar a to these slums and he's been here ever since. >> bergoglio asked withdrew ee to the slum. what did you think? >> translator: more than 40,000 people live here. so the responsibility of a bigger congregation, i accepted it with joy. >> cardinal bergoglio came here often to be with the people and to support the local priests. when one priest received death threats from druglords, the future pope stepped in literally. >> >> translator: he went there to walk through the slums. to talk to the residents. and also, of course, to visit the priests there. so that the people would see that the archbishop supported his priest. >> did it make a difference? did the threats stop after that? did things calm down?
>> translator: yes, after that, there were a few things but it calmed down. things calmed down. >> in december 2011, cardinal bergoglio turned 75. that's the vatican's mandatory retirement age, so he submitted his resignation and waited for his replacement. >> translator: aen and i'm not giving away any secret when i tell you, i asked him, where will you live? he said, "well, i'll go live why retirement at the flores house where the bishops live." >> no up couone knew this would defining moment in the history of the catholic church. a year passed as he waited for his chance to retire. the vatican chose no replacement. a delay that would bake all the difference. >> for the first time in 600 years, a pope is retiring. pope benedict xvi. >> stunning news. >> this is something that none
of us -- >> incredible. >> -- none of us have heard before. a pope announces he is resigning. >> this simply isn't done. it's been almost 600 years since a pope resigned. no one saw this coming. certainly in this country. >> benedict xvi resigned. a move unprecedented in the modern papacy. the scene was now set for the radical change that would come. >> in 2013, all the talk was of vatican dysfunction. how can we put our house in order, how can we sort out the money, how can we have better governance in the church? >> now cardinals who had favored bergoglio's election in 2005 got another chance. was he the reformer the church needed? did ber fwrksgoglio even want t? and was he strong enough to lead the church? >> so they sent some people to ask him questions. someone asked him the question, how is your health?
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>> we can officially say at cnn this is black smoke. >> inside the conclave, votes for jorge bergoglio just as there had been in 2005. >> and the last conclave he was saying no, no, no, no, no, not me. >> not me. >> ratzinger, ratzinger's your guy. so he changed. >> he changed. he understood that if he is elected, he must accept because the situation is a very dangerous situation. >> they need to get this right. it's been the biggest decision this church has made in modern history. >> once, twice. >> we have black smoke. that means no pope. >> four times, black smoke. then on the fifth vote -- >> seems a little lighter than last time. >> the white smoke that signaled a new pope.
>> papa. >> the curtains are open. . the crossbearer is coming out. and there he is. >> jorge mario bergoglio became pope francis. >> there he is, our new pope. the catholics' new pope. pope francis. the first pope francis the catholics have ever had. the first pope from south america they've ever had. >> cheers from catholics around the world. especially back home in argentina where close friends like oscar crespo were overwhelmed.
when you saw the smoke and you heard jorge mario and he walked out onto the balcony, what happened in your head, what happened in your heart? >> translator: when the cardinal came out and announced, "we have a pope," then he started with his weird language -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: it was something that i can't describe. it was an emotion. my friend, the pope. the tears started to fall. it was impossible to stop it. >> when he became pope, when did you hear from me? >> called me up by phone, hello, yeah, bergoglio speaking. >> that's what he said? >> he said the people caught me and don't leave me to go back to buenos aires, but what can i do?
i was elected pope." >> his first decision as pope choosing the name francis of asisi, a priest who advocated for the poor. the message was clear. a change was coming. >> the new pope, francis, the poor one. he embraced the cheers but also the challenge, he would now have to do in the vatican what he did so well here in argentina as a leader but also as a reformer. >> he is not afraid, you know, of breaking the traditions of the vatican. he's not afraid to explore new
ways. >> the first pope ever to take the name francis then became the first to live in the vatican city guesthouse rather than the apostolic palace. he explained in an interview, "i chose to live in santa marta in room 201 because when i took possession of the papal apartment inside myself i distinctly heard a no." >> the big difference between the santa marta and the apostolic palace is simply this. he sees people, he's among people. he can't be isolated. he wanted to be accessible. >> just weeks after becoming pope on the thursday before easter, holy thursday, there was yet another first. >> he did something he had always done as archbishop of buenos aires which is go to a place of pain as he calls it. in this case it was a prison. and he washed the feet of prisoners there including a woman prisoner who was also a
muslim. and this was something that no pope had ever done before. it was a very, very powerful gesture. >> and it made a powerful statement to the world. this pope is like no other. redefining the catholic church through his unique style and surprising actions. >> he's very aware that when he embraces some guy who's just, you know, physically wrecked, that that guy obviously feels the embrace and the love of god, but he's also aware that there are all these television cameras. he's very aware of the power of these gestures. he knows he's teaching when he does this, and he's touching be people's hearts. >> pope francis wants a church that harkins back to his jesuit roots, one that cares for those most in need. in his mission statement, pope francis said, "i prefer a church which is bruised, hurting, and dirty because it has been out on
the streets rather than a church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security." >> there's a steely core there, there's a determination. there's a focus in him which really is quite astonishing. i keep saying to people, he's not a lovable teddy bear, he's a tough guy with a vision. once he's decided what god's will is, bam, he's like a bulldozer and nothing will stop him. when we come back, controversy, division. >> i think there's a lot of resistance. >> and the pope's surprising tone on sexuality. >> he has opened up a civil war within the church.
empowered to reform the vatican, including its finances. and removing some of the old guard. >> a pope that is doing a big cleanup. we know that we have a lot of scandals and a lot of very obscure maneuvering in the church, and he is cleaning up. >> cleaning up and speaking out. rebranding the church. but is the pope changing the rules? not really. but he is changing what to focus on and how. addressing homosexuality. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> family planning. [ speaking foreign language ].
>> even expressing compassion for women who have had abortions. quote, i have decided notwithstanding anything to the contrary to concede to all priests for the june lee year the discretion to absolve of the sin of abortion. those who have procured it and who with contrite heart seek forgiveness for it. who knows what's next. >> do you think that your friend bergoglio would have liked to have had a family, if he could have? >> ah! of course. of course. it's not an easy life, his life. he devoted all his life for a cause, for the church. >> does he think it has to be that way, or that's just the way it is? >> in our book, we analyze the theme of celibacy. and he said, this is not an
unchangeable dogma. could be that in the future celibacy will change. >> you heard right. celibacy could change. and if it's no longer required of priests, it will be the biggest change in centuries. this all sounds great to some but not others. >> there is a lot of grumbling about this pope. so i think there is a lot of resistance. a lot of people dislike his style of governance because it brings uncertainty. it's unpredictable. >> it's not just uncertainty that rattles some catholics. it's also the fear that the church could lose its meaning. >> when the church is seen as essentially throwing up its hands and surrendering to modernity on some front. [ cheers and applause ] >> what happens is first there is a tremendous burst of excitement.
>> ross is a conservative catholic and an op ed columnist for the "new york times." >> once the burst of excitement passes the church has basically removed one reason why people actually believe in it and go to church. >> orthodoxy as meaning that the rules are absolute and without them catholics lose identity, purpose. ross believes the pope could have a very successful pontifficate. >> at the same time he has opened up a civil war within the church that had gone underground a bit in the last two popes. civil wars in christianity are actually a big deal in historical terms. >> what's the civil war? >> between people who think that ultimately the church will have to evolve with the sexual revolution and people who think that the church has a message around issues of sexuality that goes back to the new testament and cannot be changed without
changing christianity itself. >> a battle that is playing out in the crucible of american catholicism, just as the leader of that church comes to visit. >> is he excited to go to america? >> yes. he feels this as a great challenge. this is the impression that i have. >> challenge why? >> he will have the opportunity to give to this leading country and all its inhabitants, a special message. >> but when he becomes the first pope to address congress, it's almost certain not everyone will like his message. especially some politically conservative catholics. >> they think that he is, you know, talking too much about climate change, that he's too critical of capitalism, that he is too harsh about a system that
has, after all, lifted lots of people out of poverty and so on. [ speaking foreign language ] ♪ ♪ >> a church that hid from controversy is now led by a pope who courts it. >> pope francis isn't changing church teaching. he's expressing it in ways that are fresh and vigorous and emphasizing things which perhaps hadn't been heard before. >> change in the form of a man, a man of principle and purpose, shaped by where he is from, focused on where he is going. and trying to convince a church
and a world to accept his prayers. ♪ ♪ looking now at the basilica of the immaculate conception in washington. that's where pope francis will celebrate his first mass in the united states. he'll do that tomorrow. that's after being greeted today by president president obama, the first lady michelle obama and their daughters. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the pope getting a rock star reception at the start of his six-day visit and preaching a gospel of peace and justice for the poor. faith at a flash point in the campaign trail. donald trump doubling down on the anti-muslim rhetoric in a new interview with "60 minutes." >>