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and a world to accept his prayers. ♪ ♪ looking now at the basilica of the immaculate conception in washington. that's where pope francis will celebrate his first mass in the united states. he'll do that tomorrow. that's after being greeted today by president president obama, the first lady michelle obama and their daughters. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the pope getting a rock star reception at the start of his six-day visit and preaching a gospel of peace and justice for the poor. faith at a flash point in the campaign trail. donald trump doubling down on the anti-muslim rhetoric in a new interview with "60 minutes." >> there is no problem with the
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muslims. no terrorism. no anything. they didn't knock down the world trade center. to the best of my knowledge the people that knocked down the world trade center, you know where -- they didn't fly back to sweden. i want to begin with the race for the white house. joining me now is sumlin surfati. it seems like he's saying more controversial things this time about muslims on 60 minutes. >> donald trump continues to defend himself over that moment last week, last thursday with the supporter in new hampshire. not only refusing to really dismiss the supporter that claimed president obama is a muslim and not an american but really for the fact that he did not dismiss the notion during that exchange that muslims are a problem in the united states. donald trump, in this interview with "60 minutes," continued to explain why he did not do better
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in that moment. here is what he had to say. >> we were with you in new hampshire when that man stood up. >> yes. >> -- and said, "we have a problem in this country and it's muslims." you let that pass. and i wonder what that tells us about you. >> well, he said much more than that. that was part of the statement. he then went on to say other things. >> but the bigotry part. >> look, he said mostly about obama, that whole question is about -- i don't have to defend president obama. he is not going to defend me. so whether you agree with the man or don't agree -- and there were people in that audience as you probably noticed that did agree with him. >> it was a testing moment for a man running for president. you never know when they're coming. >> i don't think so. >> here you had a bigot that you could slap down. >> you don't know that. he asked a question. you don't know that he was a bigot. >> a problem in this country and it's muslims? >> let me ask you this. he said that. i love the muslims. i have many, many friends. people living in this building.
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muslims. they're phenomenal people. like everything else, you have people where there are problems. now, we can say there are no problems with the muslims. there is no problem. there is no terrorism. no anything. they didn't knock down the world trade center. to the best of my knowledge the people that knocked down the world trade center -- you know where they -- they didn't fly back to sweden. >> don, in the days since the controversy first broke he has had to comment multiple times on this. he says he has friends who are muslims. he would consider putting a muslim on his ticket or in his cabinet but he tries to answer the criticism by saying that he was specifically referencing the religion's extreme elements as he told jake tapper on "state of the union" this past weekend. >> he is swinging at club for growth, threatening to sue them for this ad that was out last week. look at this. >> which presidential candidate supports higher taxes, national
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health care and the wall street bailout? it's donald trump. >> in many cases i probably identify more as a democrat. >> trump wants us to think he's mr. tell it like it is, but he has a record, and it's very liberal. >> trump's attorney says that the ad is full of lies and that trump is not for higher taxes. they demanded that the club stop airing these ads. which is the truth here? is it a cheap shot? >> well, it's interesting because we firstly do not have a full tax plan from donald trump. that is to be released sometime in the coming days and weeks. heas promised. but we do have some hints from him on what will make up the tax plan, so we have some things to go off of. he has said in interviews recently that he would target changes in the tax code, specifically going after hedge fund managers, mentioning this thing called carried interest loophole where hedge fund managers can basically get a lower tax rate on the interest that they earn from managing
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investments. but the trump campaign pushes back on this ad. they say this is not part of his presidential campaign. the club for growth pushes back on that saying that he has made statements in the past. so really we expect this controversy to keep swirling. >> i want to ask you about ben carson now. he is trying to calm the uproar over his remarks sunday when he said a muslim should not be president. listen to what he said today. >> i don't care what a person's religious beliefs are or what their religious heritage is. if they embrace american culture, if they embrace our constitution and are willing to place that above their religious beliefs, i have no problem with them. >> this isn't the first time that he is kind of back-tracking after a controversial remark. is that part of his appeal on some level as maybe the anti-trump? >> well, it's really interesting, that moment
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definitely reminded us of the moment that ben carson had a few weeks ago where he kind of called into question donald trump's faith. the fact that he is kind of saying, backtracking a little bit and holding this up as saying any presidential candidate i'm not going to question the faith. i think that speaks to a lot of voters, especially the voters in the lane that donald trump and ben carson are both trying to chase, evangelicals, where a person of faith does appeal to them. at the same time they're looking for someone who can admit and not necessarily criticize other people. so the back and forth between trump and ben carson over faith certainly appeals, the way carson is handling it now could certainly appeal to many of those evangelical voters who are very important to him. >> thank you very much. appreciate that. i want to bring in hugh hewitt host of "the hugh hewitt show." and the author of the second clinton era. what do you think of what donald
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trump told "60 minutes"? >> i think donald trump is not a bigot. i don't believe he wants to spend his time talking about this issue. in fact, when i was on the stage, don, with jake and dana and the enormously successful debate with 24 million people, there wasn't one bigot on that stage. there isn't one bigot in the republican field. some are more artful than others about expressing what article 6 of the constitution says, which is anyone born of american parents is eligible to be president. but i like to remind people, thousands of americans have gone and fought and died for the freedom of muslim people in afghanistan, in iraq, and we're now trying to figure out how to stop the savage murder of millions of muslims and cops and others in the middle east by the syrian dictator assad. i think it's kind of a side-show issue. donald trump yesterday, i didn't bring this up. i did get some interesting -- >> he seems to be saying in the "60 minutes" interview that there is a problem with muslims.
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>> i didn't hear it that way at all. i think i heard him saying that the people who attacked the country on 9/11 all were islamist radicals and that we have to be concerned about islamist radicalism whether of the sunni or shia variety. i ask my guests, have you read "the looming tower" because it chases the genesis of the radicalism that led to 9/11. to call that out as a problem is not to be anti-muslim. and i believe -- i don't believe -- >> my question is what does that have to do with the original question from the man in the audience that he did not -- that he did not take on that the president -- he is saying the president is a muslim. why doesn't he just say the president is a christian, let's move on? >> i always say the president is a christian, but i also say, don, tonight people will tweet about your show. you will not be defined, don lemon is not defined, "cnn
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tonight" and hugh hewitt is not defined by the craziest person or the most ill liberal person who says they are on our side in any debate. we're defined by ourselves and donald trump and ben carson and every republican is defined by themselves. jeb bush said tonight he is not for a multi-cultural society. and some people are trying to make that -- >> let me read that to you. these are his comments. he said we should not have a multi-cultural society. when you create pockets of isolation and in some cases the assimilation process has been retarded, it's wrong. it limits people's aspiration. it seems kind of strange coming from him because he has a multi-cultural family himself. he has defended his use of spanish language on the campaign trail and in ads. what is going on here, hugh? >> something that's been going on for a hundred years. teddy roosevelt was the first president to denounce hyphenated americanism followed by woodrow wilson who also denounced hyphenated americanism.
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both of them now up through the big-hearted -- anybody denies this either. jeb bush is a big-hearted man with zero bigotry in him. he is like bergoglio, pope francis, he loves everybody. what he is trying to say is america has to be about americans coming together. john kasich made this point on the debate stage as well and most of the republicans do. they're not about dividing. they're about bringing together. i think what jeb bush was saying, and i haven't heard all the remarks, is that americans have to come together rather than stake their claims to separate ethnic and ide ogcal and racial identities so that we're first and foremost bound together by the declaration of independence. the cooper union speech, second inaugural. these are all the things that i think jeb bush and all republicans stand for. >> census data and everything shows that america is becoming increasingly multi-cultural. what does it mean for the
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republican party when you have these issues coming up over and over again whether he it comes to allowing people in, trusting people from other places or with different religions? >> we're all for it. i think arthur brooks at the american enterprise institute's brand-new book "the road to freedom" is about being for freedom. only 15% of this country are germans. 6% are mexican descent. 1% is swedish descent. i don't care, don. i don't know what your ethnicity is. mine is as mixed up as a mongrel. my kids are a complete mix, 15 different ethnicities. this country is not about ethnicity. it's about opportunity. i think every republican wants to stress that point and they'll succeed if they do. i do believe the democratic party has a vested interest in deepening divisions based on racial and idealogical fault lines. republicans should be opposite that. i think jeb bush was speaking to that today. >> before you leave, i want you
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to talk about sort of the horse race, the new poll showing trump's first real emotion. do you think he'll be a flash in the pan or gain his momentum back? he was in the 30s at one point. >> he is still the leader in over poll. now i'm looking at voters more than candidate. there are the true believers and they're attached really tightly to their people. the ted cruz people and the donald trump people and the ben carson and the huckabee and the santorum. there are some buckley conservatives who want to elect the most conservative republican who is electable. they're gravitating towards fiorina and rubio right now. you have the center, moderate right. ca kasich, christie and bush. then you have the unique people who are like for rand paul or for one of the -- george pataki or one of the unique boutique candidates. they're all interesting, they're
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all moving around. but donald trump is still number one. and someone is going to have to beat him. maybe that someone is carly. maybe it's marco rubio. maybe it's ted cruz. but it's not going to be over anytime soon. we'll have one candidate by july, and that candidate will be better positioned to lead than hillary or joe biden. >> it's true that can have's numbers are way up. hugh hewitt, thank you. appreciate it. dr. ben carson seems to be changing his tune on muslims. but is this the good-bye moment for him. coming to america, the pope's first ever visit here. why he may not be as liberal as some think. theno one surface...out there. no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-class. five driving modes let you customize the steering, shift points, and suspension to fit the mood you're in...
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polls don't lie. republican voters angry at washington and career politicians. trump, carson and fiorina at the top. scott walker gone from the race. phillip, i think this is your first time. fasten your seat belt. >> i'm ready. >> the rest of the gang is here. rick, donald trump is going to be on "60 minutes" this sunday. pretty hard on why he didn't back down. the questioner who said that obama was a muslim and not an american. trump talked about the world trade center attack. why do you think he keeps -- he is not backing down?
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>> look, i am not, as you are well aware, a starch defender of donald trump. but on the other hand this has become a controversy that's eating its own tail. and i think that there is a certain amount of silliness to it. at a certain point. you can't expect donald trump to have sophisticated, thought-through answers on major consequential questions. so this -- the muslim thing. it looks like this may have been some sort of prank by a liberal groupist -- >> was that scotty going, wow! >> a low blow already. ten seconds and he's already low-blowing. that's a record. actually it's not. >> no. not even close. >> right. >> donald trump, donald trump is not a guy that i am going to look for to heal the racial and ethnic divisions in our country at any point. this is a guy who the underpinning of his campaign, there is a large segment of it that is about this very nationalist thing. and the fact of the matter is, i
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think we've got a lot of consequential issues we ought to be talking about in this campaign that are very meaningful to the country. more so than chasing our tails on whether or not donald trump correctly denounced somebody or not. >> fair enough. there is no evidence that the man was a plant or some prank by a liberal. >> not yet. >> i want to talk about dr. ben carson, phillip. he has shifted his stance on whether a muslim could be president. he is blaming pc culture in the process. watch this. >> bear in mind that the secular progressive agenda is to fundamentally change america. i happen to like america. i think it is a great place. and i don't want to change it. progressives, they have imposed upon us political correctness because they don't want you to talk about stuff.
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they don't want you to even entertain certain thoughts. and they don't even care whether you disagree with them. >> so phillip, some might say it seems like the people channeling washington anger are often people saying that pc police are out to get them. why does there seem to be a tendency to always blame political correctness and the media? >> political correctness is sort of a catch phrase. america is going through a big change, becoming much less white. we're see huge growth in the hispanic population. america is becoming much older as well. it is fundamentally changing. to the point dr. ben carson just made. it's no the a function of it changing because of the political correctness police. it's because it is changing. that's a term people use to apply to their frustrations with the ways in which america is changing. the fact that donald trump and ben carson are talking about their concerns about the muslim community. donald trump said essentially
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the same thing about hispanics during his announcement speech. it's the sort of thing the gop knows they need to eradicate. they had a plan to do it after the 2012-cycle. it must be frustrating that this keeps coming up, there keeps being tension between their party and representatives of their party. whether or not they're bigots. >> there was a big postmortem after the 2012 election. maria, there seems to be a lot of the anger among republican voters, a lot of anger. is that in part fueling the outsiders? you're a democrat. what are republicans so angry about? >> that's a good question, don. i agree with phillip. i think part of the anger is a conceptual misunderstanding of the changes that are going on in this country. fear is basically something that you have when you don't understand something, when you don't know perhaps your neighbor when they are a different color from you, when they speak a different language, when they --
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they act differently. and you don't get to know them, then that can be the beginning fundamentally of fear. and i think a problem with what's going on with all of these candidates who i think what is so pernicious about what they are doing is that they are focusing on the lowest common denominator of their base, and they are essentially nurturing the worst angels of our nature instead of providing solutions to what people are actually afraid of, which is their economic futures. >> i'm sorry, don. i think they're both wrong. >> scotty, go ahead. >> they're both wrong. i'm sorry. that's not why people are angry at the gop. people are angry at the gop, they're angry at the leadership of it. time after time they've been sold out. we give in, we give up and eventually give over. that's why people are frustrated with the gop. we have yet to show how we are different being controlled by republicans in congress than by democrats. we have yet to have a bill vetoed by the president.
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republicans are such cowards in congress. that's why people are tired and frustrated and now it's going into anger. it has nothing to do with bigotry. >> i think fundamentally it is. >> rand paul talked about that on wolf blitzer today. listen. >> i think it's anger. people are angry. so am i. frankly, i ran for office and the tea party sort of arose because we were angry at republicans who promised to be conservative and weren't. it's sort of a little bit what donald trump is. >> rick wilson? >> first off, let me just jump back on one thing that maria said. it is outrageous to accuse most of this field of appealing to the worst angels of our nature. the democratic field -- >> i didn't say the whole field. i said many of them are. >> the current and prospective democratic field right now is whiter than robert burdge bridge club 1995. this is a ridiculous -- this is a ridiculous accusation. because frankly, you know, we are the party with a compelling african-american candidate.
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we are the party with two -- >> that thinks that muslims shouldn't be president. how compelling is that when you talk about -- when you talk about focusing on solutions and what is a multi-cultural -- >> the field as a whole does not advocate for that. frankly. >> i agree with that. >> i do think that the sixth amendment is something that, you know -- look, i am a limited government constitutional guy, and i believe that ben carson should have understood that the sixth amendment -- if you go through and they're qualified to be president and they run an election. you know what, no muslim, no hypothetical muslim candidate is going to run on shariah. you know why? they would have their [ expletive ] handed to them. if you're qualified and you believe in the constitution, they should be allowed to run. >> hang on. scotty. hold it to the other side of the break. we'll talk about that and more. can harly fiorina up in the polls.
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rick wilson. scotty hughs. incompetent bump and maria cardona. you were agreeing with maria, scott scottie, before the break? >> i think the sxaexact opposit. that's the point in all of us. let's remind ourselves that hillary clinton was the one who first introduced the whole idea of obama as a muslim. the democrats. >> scottie, i have to tell you that we have fact-checked this. every fact-check we've seen says there is no evidence that hillary clinton nor her campaign had anything to do with that moment. no other candidacy who has made that claim has been able to provide any information that shows that hillary clinton or her campaign had anything to do with it. >> facts matter. >> the facts -- so the facts do matter. listen, you may believe one thing, but as far as the facts go, no evidence.
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>> -- issue raised in 2008 in the primary? did it just magically appear? >> can i go back to something rick was saying? i agree the whole republican field does not represent this sort of anger, misogynist, strain that donald trump has been fueling. but that what is so dangerous for the republican party is that he is right now at the top of the polls. and the person who is behind him is ben carson, who has made the ridiculous remarks about muslims. for most of the summer the rest of the field have been gutless wonders because they have not been able to stand up to that kind of inappropriate rhetoric until lately when some have gotten their inner adult and have now been able to start going against donald trump on some of the things he's saying, like carly fiorina. >> so far, rick, this has been the summer of trump. actually, i want to -- give it to you. so is this the fall of fiorina
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now? >> look, all campaigns that believe the summer of the year before are going to be the exact way the terrain looks the next year are always wrong. and the fact of the matter is carly fiorina bought her way onto the debate stage with you guys at simi valley, by performing in the undercard debate like a champ. she came out and knocked donald trump down on the floor like none of the other candidates have done yet in this campaign. >> yep. >> that answer on his comments about her appearance was a moment where she just absolutely looked achelike a commander in f and put him in the ground. >> it was masterful. >> this guy has a lot of difficulty taking that kind of criticism and suddenly being on the target. everybody on that stage, with a couple of exceptions, realized at that moment that this is a guy that, like a lot of people who -- like a lot of bullies, once you punch him hard in the nose and once you remove that aura of invulnerability, they start to be treated just like
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any other candidate and they start to go at them and they start to have a different kind of exchange than trump likes to have in which he slams somebody, they weakly punch back and he goes on hannity the next night. >> that's why i want to ask you, phillip, you wrote an article saying trump is starting to fall in the polls and therefore starting to lash out at the other candidates. why? >> after the cnn poll he sort of lost his mind. he was already reeling from the back lash of the muslim comments last week in new hampshire. the cnn poll showed he slipped significantly. granted it's one poll and never should wade too much into one poll. on monday morning he was mad on the "today" show for using your poll. he was mad at fox news. for a long time people have thought that donald trump was going to lose his lead, and the way that a lot of people anticipated he would lose his
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lead is it would start to slip and he would start to lose his mind. >> carly fiorina was asked -- carly fiorina -- carly fiorina was asked -- carly fiorina was asked how she feels about being hot on donald trump's heels in the polls. here is how she responded. >> well, you know, it might be disappointing to all of you, but i don't spend a lot of time on the campaign trail thinking about donald trump. i really don't. and voters don't ask me about him. what voters ask me about are all those questions you heard in there. what voters ask me about is what's on their minds. >> so it's clear donald trump has no problem going after her. she has no problem going after him. are these two going to end up duking it out, do you think, scottie, for the nomination? >> absolutely. that's complete bs coming out of her mouth on that. you know that is her whole goal right now. two weeks ago they were even saying she has been set up. you're right. they're going to duke it out.
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if you want the person who is most accomplished in business, that didn't lay off 24,000 workers. whose stock prices didn't drop 60% under her care, you're going to look to donald trump. i look forward to them duking it out on micro and macro economic issues. we'll see how strong she is in the polls after that. >> maria, i want to ask you. she goes directly after hillary clinton but hillary clinton doesn't come directly for her. >> she is not a threat. >> well, no. exactly. i don't think she is a threat to hillary clinton at all. actually right now we have just come through the summer of trump. i think it will be briefly the fall of carly fiorina. but i think both of them will be feeling the winter blues, because, as we go into the next year, i think all of the other candidates who have now seen how to knock down donald trump and the way you do it is to focus on substance. if you looked at the debate. he went silent for 37 minutes when all of the other candidates
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were you ctalking about substan >> the novelty of donald trump -- this is like an snl skit. >> the novelty of trump has been a compelling thing over the summer. shtick of donald trump has been a fun thing for the media all summer. the fact of the matter is media likes conflict, drama, excite. carly fiorina and other candidates are going to bring that against donald trump now. and the fact of the matter is now that they're showing some spine, now that they're showing some steel. it's a lot different environment for them. and donald trump is a guy who has -- who likes to fight on his terrain, his terms. and by his rules. and these folks start fighting by other rules and start sucking up some of the air on their own and committing news, donald trump will have a more difficult time maintaining the -- >> i have to ask all of you. give me a yes or no.
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donald trump still the frontrunner and will remain. rick? >> no. >> scottie? >> absolutely! >> okay. phillip. >> with a long term, no. >> maria. >> for now yes but over the long term no. >> that's more than one word. thank you, guys. >> see, i played nicely. >> thank you guys. pope francis in the u.s. for the first time, greeted by president obama and the first family. what the pope has planned, what he has planned next. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. real madrid have about 450 million fans. we're trying to give them all the feeling of being at the stadium. the microsoft cloud gives us the scalability to communicate exactly the content that people want to see. it will help people connect to their passion of living real madrid.
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nunciature. the home of the vatican ambassador essentially, in washington. happens to be right across the street from the vice president's house. >> i was wondering if maybe he and the vice president are having, you know, like a glass of wine or something. is that how he chills out, dinner? how does he chill out? you said "chill out." >> i don't know if that's the word he would use, okay, but obviously he rests, he reads, he prays every evening. >> he seemed very retrained on the tarmac today. greeted by the president and other folks as well. but he didn't go into the crowds. were you surprised by that? >> i wasn't surprised after watching how busy cuba was. you know, cuba was three days. it was very tight for the pope. and i imagine the pope got here a bit excited to be in the u.s. but also a bit like -- >> tired. >> yeah. we have a big day tomorrow, and let's, you know -- let's get our
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rest now and go to it later. >> he is 78 years old. it's a big trip. it's his first time here in the united states. my question is, what do you think he is most excited about? i'm sure he's most excited to see people, but are there places you think he is excited about? >> it's interesting. i think if it were up to the pope, with all respect to our institutions and the president. if it were up to the pope, he would probably like to see the most ordinary people he could. and not only the most ordinary. it's interesting he is going to a prison in philadelphia. he is going to a school in harlem. he's going to see some homeless people tomorrow in washington. not only normal but perhaps even down-trodden, you might say. he goes into the prison and says, hey, you know, any of us could be there. >> does he like to embrace local culture? will he have a philly cheese steak? i'll recommend pat's or gino's. >> is he going to have a dirty water dog in new york city? >> that would be a great shot,
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wouldn't it? i don't think he'll take it that far, okay. i think normally in most cases he does try to, if it's -- as long as it's not too exotic and crazy, he does try to embrace it. >> it's odd for me. i have covered the pope a number of times, other popes when they've come here. they're all so serious. it's nice to be able to ask questions of a pope that's like normal people because he does chill out. he wants to be with the people. he has a lot of security, right. a lot of precautions but he says it's in god's hands. he wants to touch people. he wants to be a normal guy. even his car, the fiat, is getting a lot of attention. did you tweet about it? that his holiness knows how to make an entrance. fiat 500 l #popein dc. >> it's interesting because that is a small car. and i think the pope in rome goes in a ford focus, which is really a pretty humble car.
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the fiat is sort of a cool car, to tell you the truth, the 500, at least in italy. i don't know how it's selling here. i imagine this one had to have a little bit of work done to it in terms of what the secret service would demand. you know. it is a small car. he did the same thing in brazil. he took a very, very simple car. >> the times that i have covered the pope there is always excite but i don't think i remember this much excitement for any pope. it's more than a rock star. >> you're right. you're probably not old enough for john paul ii 30 or 35-something years ago. it was pretty wild. but it is special even by crazy things we've seen. francis is off the charts. >> i want to ask you about this. today on the plane from cuba to the united states the pope said, quote, may have given the impression of being a little more to the left, but it would not be a correct interpretation. so he's talking about socially. he realizes what people think about him socially. and maybe even politically.
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but he says he is not left, right or center, he is just going by the doctrine. >> what he says is the exact thing -- what he calls -- what is called the social doctrine of the church, you know, which we'll not get into a lot of specifics but will have general guidelines in terms of social teaching. and i think he is perhaps defending himself a little bit before here because he knows there has been criticism of him certainly from the right here, from free market capitalists saying he doesn't like capitalism. i think he is suspicious of wall street, financial capitalism, but he has no problem with people working hard and making a better life for themselves. when i say i don't think he has any problem with main street at all. he is suspicious of sort of the -- the high finance. >> greg burke. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming in. i can't wait for him to get here to new york city and witness all of this. we appreciate it, sir. coming up, he is the people's
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welcomed by 15,000 people at the white house tomorrow. but for some people the guest list is controversial. let's talk about it now with host of the catholic guy on sirius siriusxm satellite radio and muslim chaplain at duke university. good evening to both of you. i am glad you're here. liam, tell us what to expect at the white house tomorrow and why some are questioning the guest list for this big event. >> sure. well, don, of course, if i can tell you what to expect with the pope, then i would be a genius because you expect the unexpected when it comes to pope francis. i wish i could tell you all, this is how it will work. he'll do this and he'll say that. inste instead, he is a pope of surprises which makes this a lot of fun to live through and to cover in the papacy. the reason some people are upset or sometimes it could be seen as controversial is who is on the guest list. there are 15,000 people, of course. in that group of people there are going to be folks who may
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not always agree with catholic teaching and all of its form. for that reason some are saying, well, should that person be on the list? should have person be on the list? i think in reality pope francis is going to say, hey, everybody, i'm the pope. nice to be here at the white house. nice to be in america. let's talk. >> the guests are a transgender activist. two of them. openly gay episcopal bishop and two openly gay activists. some are concerned about that. in an op-ed mike huckabee called it, quote, a politicized cattle call for gay and pro-abortion activists. do you think that the pope will be offended by that, lino? >> no. would the pope be offended by somebody being gay? no. will he see this as that's what this is. to politicize something would not be a great surprise, if we're at the white house, we're probably going to be talking
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politics. right? if there's 15,000 people the question is who will he be meeting and greeting? at the core of pope francis is a man who is reaching out to all, who is not going to be labeling anybody based on their sexual orientation or anything else. he wants to reach out and say, let's talk, what do we have in common? what can we do for this planet and to serve one another and love one another, to go beyond labels and to actually be together as the humans we are on this planet. >> listen to this. this is what others, mostly on the right, are saying about the pope's visit. listen. >> he talks about the horror of capitalism. he is anti-trickle down economics. supports the iranian deal and pushed for better relations for cuba. pro global warming and wants us to do more. essentially he's talking about the greed of america. >> this is pure marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. >> the pope sounds like he is against capitalism. >> i have asked the pope's
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people if i could put together a team of people that could actually teach the pope. >> he has a marxist background. >> they'll visit the pope and say, this is what capitalism is. >> what's your reaction? >> it's quite funny. it's a prime example of how sensationalism has taken over our sources of information. instead of focusing on who he is and what he stands for, for the longest time we have this incredible human being, has become the religious leader, source of inspiration and education for all of us, not only for catholics but globally, he captured the imagination of people of all faiths and encouraging them to reveal the best of their traditions. instead of focusing on his core message we are focusing on trivial remarks here and there and taking cheap shots at home. the only reason i am upset about the white house dinner is because i am not invited. i wish i could have the honor
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and pleasure to meet this holy man. >> you did say that catholics are lucky to be represented by an honest, noble man, unlike musl islam these days. talk to me about that. >> it's a good time to be catholic these days because the religion doesn't make headlines through scandals and corrupt clergy, through nothing but an amazing human being in a very short period of time. he basically became the symbol of what a religious person can be and how he renewed the faith of many people, including myself, to religion, to religious leadership through his humility, through living those ideals that he has been preaching, through talking the talk but not just talking bsh walking the talk but not talking the talk only. as a muslim, of course, what makes headlines for islam and muslims is not the best of us. what makes islam and muslims these days is not the malalas of
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the world. but evil islam doing evil in the name of muslim. the rotten souls representing my religion. i'm glad for the catholics, frankly, the best of them. some who embody the ideals of christianity, the best of christian ideals, ethical and moral standards, is represented in him. >> liam, final thoughts from you. >> what he said. maybe we can go to dinner in the pope's honor and have a dialogue amongst ourselves. this is what the pope wants. >> i am in. >> i am in too. he doesn't want to be with us so we can be together. the pope wants us to be together and to share this common humanity on the earth that we share together. this is why he's here. love is his mission. that is why he has come to the united states. >> i agree. >> i appreciate both of you joining us this evening. we'll be right back. >> pleasure. the promise of the cloud is that every organization
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that's it for us. thanks for watching. see you back here tomorrow night. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening from the very exciting night here in washington d.c. where the catholic university of america in front of the largest roman catholic church in america. it's a venue far too small for the crowds expected to see pope francis celebrate mass here tomorrow. it's a beautiful location. instead, as you can tell, it's going to happen outside. they're calling it the mass in the grass. it will be just one of many big moments in the pope's first visit to the united states. it will take him to new york and philadelphia as well. tonight, what he hopes to accomplish, who he is hoping to reach. how his message is being received and all the back stage details. the unprecedented measures being

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