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>> by my watch he's already a little late. >> the problem is nobody can tell him. he's got decide. so nobody taps him on the shoulder and says hey. >> which actually brings up another issue. there is a little bit of i've read and i've been to the vatican and i've sort of felt it myself. anything from adulation to serious paraphernalianoia among who just don't know which way this pope is going to go, what he's going to rule. all the big reforms he's talking about and perhaps putting into effect. so it is a little bit of a pope who keeps everybody on tender hooves. >> he does but because he's braking out of the backs in a lot of ways but it is all for the good in sense of opening up our arms to embrace people and offer god's mercy. and that is what he's all about. >> i thought you meant originally logistically people
don't know which way he's going to turn. and they have to call various people to figure out his schedule. he often doesn't tell and everybody there is no one person coordinating the whole thing. but even on a larger level of kind of his teaching and the direction he taking the church, he likes the chaos. i mean that is clear. that he thinks out of the chaos the good can come. that the holy spirit works through the chaos. >> and if you are just joining us now at the top of the hour, 9:00 here in washington d.c. there you see pope francis getting into his vehicle. about to make a five minute or so drive to the white house, to the south lawn where some 15,000 invited guests, president obama, vice president biden. ethyl kennedy we saw. secretary of state john kerry all waiting to greet this pope. we're going to be hearing from the pope in english. president obama is also going to be making remarks. john king is joining us here.
john you spend a lot of time in washington d.c. but this visit is unlike any we've previously seen. >> and you make an important point. for those of us who's first inni instinct to get immediately into the politics i think we should sit back and enjoy the drama. and i love the fiat. the statement the holy father is making just by getting into a modest fiat speaks volumes as to the message he wants to convey and he does this of course as he travels the world and as he travels the grounds of the vatican. as we await this moment though we are of course at the dawn of the presidential campaign. perhaps deeper into it than we should be this early on. let's bring in the cnn commentators. maria, i want to start with you. this is his first visit to the united states. he is the first pope from latin america. >> yes. >> what do you make of the --
the moment welfabefore the poli? >> i think the moment is one that we can all embrace. whether a democrat, republican, agnostic or atheist. i think what he's been so special about this pope is that he hasn't seemed to differentiate. his message is for everyone because he leads with a message of humility. i think for catholics in particular, what has been so ground breaking and i think mold breaking about this pope is that he leads with what is positive about the catholic teaches. he leads with affirmation and not condemnation. and what that helps us to do is to focus on frankly the basis of our religion. the basis of christianity which is the teaches of jesus christ. so today as we look forward to a presidential election, i think we should all step back and take a look at how we can bring in these teachings and hopefully take a breathe when we were really embroiled in the politics of the moment, which can get very nasty and just put that in the background as we move forward benefit the campaign.
>> ross, your sense of the moment. and let me add this little bit of context. and my question is i guess the vatican says the holy father is not here to mettle in american politics but certainly here to speak to the american people, to try to influence the american people. and there's several issues. climate change, income inequality. whether he views as the evils of the capitalism that are part of our political debate at the moment. >> and immigration as well. and the reality is that yeah, i mean i guess i'll be the one to bring in politics. but it is clear that francis has provided a kind of inhaving --
reinvigora reinvigorating. -- and that's a big part of the story here. it doesn't mean that he's going to have a long-term impact on american electoral politics. popes usually don't. but the issues he's chosen to focus on have been issues that have in a sense reaffirmed the social justice wing of catholicism and made a lot of catholic democrats feel better about being catholics and democrats than they have in a while. >> again we're awaiting pope franc francis's arrival. this is about as much pomp and ceremony as there is in washington d.c. >> exactly. and of course with the president, the vice president, their families meeting him at andrews. that also was a break with
tradition. but because we're in washington and because so much of his visit is being squished into the paradigm of politics, important to note that seven of the republican candidates are catholic. although john kasich then went into the protestant faith. also we saw ethyl kennedy. and he's the sister-in-law of the first ever catholic president john f. kennedy and that created a huge controversy back in 1960 when he was running and he had to say, you know, i am not the catholic candidate for president of the united states. i'm the democratic party candidate who happens to be a catholic. i don't take my politics from the church and there ises a lot of sensitivities in that regard as well. and we think and we'll probably talk about this at length. there will be something for everybody. but there will also be something for everybody to get their noses out of joint over. because a lot of liberals don't like his social policies. a lot of conservatives don't like his economic policies. and actually if you look at the
of familiar music all morning from this band but nobody needs any help here being pumped up. moments away now. the doors are opening. we're still a few minutes from when they are supposed to come out. but obviously a lot of anticipation here of what's going on said anderson and christiane. >> also then president obama and the pope are going to have private time together. we're told about 45 minutes or so inside the white house. cameras will not be present for that obviously. where they will discuss a wide range of issues but there are obviously a number of issues in which this pope and president are very closely aligned. climate change perhaps the greatest. >> precisely and i think it's really important to note that this is not just the pope going
ou off piece talking about climate. he took the name francis. it is the patron sane ofint of ecology and animals. and there is a massive meeting in december widely seen as the last serious chance by world leaders to get some kind of climate deal that will hold or reverse the current, you know, move towards global warming and all the uncertainties. and i was speaking to archbishop arzo who is the vatican ambassador to the united nations and he said look, we're not democrat or republican. we're talking about b a biblical issues. and let's face it. climate was in genesis way before any of us here were talking about it. >> and this pope has been very critical of world leaders. he talked about their cowardice for not what he termed as defending the earth from exploitation. he's been very out in front on this. and most likely will speak about in this morning. >> he's at his prophetic best when he often challenges
leadership, both inside and outside the church as you recall. dialogues and statements he made even to the vatican about how they need to be leaders that not only speak with words but with actions. >> we should also say that he put so much emphasis on the environment that benedict the 16th was really the green pope in terms of action on that and he brought the vatican's carbon footprint to zero and he was installing solar panels before francis issued his encyclical. so there is a continuity there. >> he talked about the ecological crisis and also said the earth our home is beginng to look more and more like an immense pile of filth. something some conservatives in the united states don't like to hear from the pope. they disagree with him on this issue. but it is something president obama obviously feels there is a linkage with this pope. and it is no doubt something we're going to hear today. >> and connecting with all of
that he also said on his trip to latin america this spring he talked about capitalism and the excesses of capitalism. not the good parts but the excesses. and he did use a phrase i think put a lot of people's hackals up. he called capitalism the dawn of the devil. or unbridled capitalism. and that was pretty raw to say. and for americans growing up believing the whole superpower is based on entrepreneurship and the freedom to be able to make money and basic freedoms in general. that put a lot of miles per hour's noses out of joint. >> this pope has actualy never been to the united states. he's 78 years old. he's really spent his entire career in latin america, obviously. also now in italy and europe. but it's telling i think that he has not been here. that he's chosen not to come. >> yeah and i think that that plays into what christiane just said which is we consider his background also when we consider
his economic critiques. he's definitely coming from latin america and he does have have this catholic social teaminteam teachings in mind when he talked about economics. but that is his vantage point, and so, you know, it is important to say that he does that in connection with all the other issues. he thinks that the integral ecology that the environment is connected to capitalism and to the exploitation of nature and that all of this, underlying all of this is a concern for the poor. >> so we're hearing that the sirens can be heard from our folks at the white house. obviously the pope is very close. perhaps already waiting for the president to come out. followed by his guest of honor the pope. remember bishop, he was the favorite choice during the conclave of the american cardinals and archbishop. they decided to put their weight behind the candidate from south america. >> i don't think the fact that he hasn't been to united states was an intentional snub of the
united states. i think that wurns he was made archbishop of buenos aires. he decided he was going to be the pastor of those people. and the only time he left was when he had to go to rome or other places for meetings that are mandatory. he's the first southern hemisphere pope. two-thirds of the catholics right now from from south america, central america. africa and southern asia. that is a major shift in terms of leadership of the church and as the good shift. it is really saying we're a global church. >> bishop, i'm wondering have you seen any sort of francis effect in your own parishes? we know that over the last several decades some 32 million americans brought up in the catholic faith have left the catholic faith. there is certainly renewed enthusiasm. have you seen a shift at all? >> i've seen a shift in the sense that people are much more glad to be catholics. you see people who are saying, you know, i'm proud to be a catholic in a way they weren't
in the past. and as maria said, what you are seeing with him is someone who's changed the conversation to having catholicism being identified by what it's for rather than what it's against. and that is a big paradigm shift for us. >> and one of the interesting things. he hasn't really changed -- and again we see the pope arriving in that fiat, it is the vehicle he got in right when he landed yesterday. in terms of doctrine nothing really has changed but in terms of where the pope is putting emphasis, that is what is different. >> right, if you go through all of his speeches and his writings, the word that just keeps occurring over and over again is the word mercy. >> mercy. >> and this idea of having wide open arms that is just open to dialogue. open to encounter, open to listening is so much of what we're seeing to him. and encouragement to any of us to do the same. >> and i don't know whether now is the time but the hot putin
social issues that divide so many of the faithful in the catholic church, for instance, abortion. he said for the first time and this year priests will be able to hear a woman's confession and to be able to absolve a woman. he's talked about speeding up annulments and taking the cumbersome bureaucracy and high cost of annulments. he also famously declared "who am i to judge?" about homosexuals. there is a shift. >> he's bringing catholicism back to the wide umbrella it was thought to be. we are all pilgrims on the way towards god and we need to find our way under that umbrella and not draw in the walls. >> e it does seem that he's trying to -- the message he's giving to priests, to members of the church is to be more merciful and flexible. it's not necessarily as we said a change of doctrine but a
change of emphasis. >> the pastoral approach. you have the church's teaching and then the interpretation of how it is to be implied. he's saying if it is to be implied it is to be applied with mercy, with openness. >> what is your view as we just wait for the president to come out, what is your view and reaction to a group of congressman who will and have declared they will be boycotting his address to joint session tomorrow? >> it is their loss. any time you can hear words of wisdom from any kind of speaker of the magnitude of the pope and 23409 not just shut your brain -- excuse me, shut your opinions down on these matters. it's important to be open to what all people have to say to us and to learn from it. >> one of the things he said is encouraging to view pastors of shepherds and in this iz words shepherds that smell of the sheep. >> or in vermont, smell of the cows. >> smell of the cows. but there is that wanting to
tend to those in need. to get the church out into the streets among people in need. >> he said he doesn't want his bishops to be airport bishops. he wants us to be with the people and out in the streets and out serving the work of the church but also serving the common good, what is good for all of us. and the encyclical on the environment is about that. >> he's put himself out there as the voice of the global poor. chris cuomo is out there on the white house lawn awaiting the pomp and circumstances. >> well listening to your conversation it is so interesting that so many of the themes that you are hitting on are exactly what brought everyone here today. to ignore the political implications would be naive if not silly. the clearly the pope isn't. he is here to be overtly political and that is not unusual for a pope. but the scene here right now is very quiet. people literally on their feet waiting for the pope and the president to walk out. we all know that he is very
close. if not about to walk out. it is interesting how everybody's eyes are trained on those two honor guardsmen facing into the doorway right now that you can see on your screen. and again you have according to the white house about 11,000 people. we see the horns coming into presentation now. we hear the -- the order of the honor guard. called to attention. they do that when they know there is the approach of the commander. so let's listen in. >> present.
>> we just heard -- just saw the pope being introduced to the president by ambassador, chief of protocol. now moving to the front row of the u.s. welcoming committee. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i think that's probably the first time. one of many firsts today. >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, the national anthem of the holy sea followed by the national anthem of the united states.
holy father, on behalf of michelle and myself, welcome to the white house. [ applause ] i should explain that our backyard is not typically this crowded. but the size and the spirit of today's gathering is just a small reflection of the deep devotion of some 70 million american catholics. [ applause ] it reflects as well the way that your message of love and hope has inspired so many people across our nation and around the world. so on behalf of the american people it is my great honor and
privilege to welcome you to the united states of america. [ applause ] today we mark many firsts. your holiness, you have been celebrated as the first pope from the americas. [ applause ] this is your first visit to the united states. [ applause ] and you are also the first pontiff to share an encyclical through a twitter account. your visit not only allows us to reciprocate the extraordinary hospitality you extended to me at the vatican last year, it
also reveals how much all americans from every background and every faith value the role that the catholic church plays in strengthening america. for my time working in impoverished neighborhoods with the catholic church in chicago, to my travels as president, i have seen firsthand how every single day catholic communities, priests, nuns are feeding the hungry. healing the sick. sheltering the homeless. educating our children. and fortifying the faith that sustains so many. and what is true in america is true around the world. from the busy streets of buenos aires to the remote villages of
kenya, catholic organizations serve the poor. minister to prisoners. build schools. build homes. operate orphanages and hospitals. and just as the church has stood with those struggling to break the chains of poverty, the church so often has given voice and hope to those seeking to break the chains of violence and oppression. and yet i believe the excitement around your visit, holy father, must be attributed not only to your role as pope but to your unique qualities as a person. [ applause ] in your humility, your embrace
of simplicity, in the gentleness of your words and the generosity of your spirit, we see a living example of jesus' teachings, a leader whose moral authority comes not just through words but also through deeds. [ applause ] you call on all of us. catholic and non-catholic alike. to put the least of these at the center of our concerns. you remind us that in the eyes of god our measure as individuals and our measure as a society is not determined by wealth or power or station or celebrity but by how well we hue to scripture's call to lift up the poor and the marginalized.
to stand up for justice and against inequality and to ensure that every human being is able to live in dignity because we are all made in the image of god. you remind us that the lord's most powerful message is mercy. and that means welcoming the stranger with empathy and a truly open heart. from the refugee who flees war torn lands to the immigrant who leaves home in search of a better life. it means showing compassion and love for the marginalized and
the outcast to those who've suffered and those who've caused suffering and seek redemption. you remind us of the costs of war, particularly on the powerless and defenseless, and urge us towards the imperative of peace. [ applause ] holy father, we are grateful for your invaluable support of our new beginning with the cuban people. which holds out the promise -- [ applause ] which holds out the promise of better relations between our countries, greater cooperation across our hemisphere and a better life for the cuban people. we thank you for your passionate voice against the deadly conflicts that ravaged the lives of so many men, women and
children and your call for nations to resist the sirens of war and dissolve disputes through diplomacy. you remind us people are only truly free when they can practice their faith freely. here in the united states we cherish religious liberty. it was the basis for so much of what brought us together. and here in the united states we cherish our religious liberty. but around the world at this very moment children of god, including christians, who are targeted and killed because of their faith, believers are prevented from gathering at their places of worship. the faithful are imprisoned and churches are destroyed.
so we stand with you in defense of religious freedom and interfaith dialogue, knowing that people everywhere must be able to live out their faith free from fear and free from intimidation. and holy father, you remind us that we have a sacred obligation to protect our planet, god's magnificent gift to us. we support your call to all world leaders to support the communities most vulnerable to changing climates and to come together to preserve our precious world for future generations. your holiness, in your words and
deeds you set a profound moral example. and in these gentle but firm reminders of our obligations to god and to one another, you are shaking us out of our complacency. all of us may at times experience discomfort, contemplate the distance between how relead our daily lives and what we know to be true, what we know to be right. but i believe such discomfort is a blessing. for it points to something better. you shake our conscience from slumber. you call us on to rejoice in good news and give us confidence that we can come together in humility and service and pursue a world that is more loving, more just and more free. here at home and around the
good morning. mr. president, i am deeply grateful for your welcome in the name of all americans. as the son of an immigrant family i'm happy to be a guest in this country, which was largely built by such families. [ applause ] i look forward to these days of encounter and dialogue in which i hope to listen to and share many of the hopes and dreams of the american people.
during my visit i will have the honor of addressing congress, where i hope as a brother of this country to offer words of encouragement to those called to guide the nation's political future and fidelity to its founding principles. i will also travel to philadelphia for the world meeting of families to celebrate and support the institutions of marriage and the family at this critical moment in the history of our civilization. [ applause ]
mr. president, together with the fellow citizens, american catholics are committed to building a society which is truly tolerant and inclusive to safeguarding the rights of individuals and communities and to rejecting every form of injustice discrimination. [ applause ] with countless other people of goodwill, they are likewise concerned that efforts to build a just and vicely ordered society respect their deepest
concerns and their right to religious liberty. that that freedom reminds one of america's most possessions. and as my brothers the united states bishops have reminds us all are called to be vigilant, precisely as good citizens to preserve and defend that freedom from everything that would threaten or compromise it. [ applause ] mr. president, i am finding it encouraging that you are proposing an initiative for
reducing air pollution. [ applause ] accepting the urgency, it seems clear to me also that climate change is a problem we can no longer be left to our future generation. [ applause ] when it comes to the care of our common home, we are living at a critical moment of history. we still have time to make the change needed to bring about a sustainable and integral developme
development, for we know that things can change. [ applause ] such change demands on our part a serious and responsible recognition not only of the kind of the world we may be leaving to our children but also to the millions of people living under a system which has overlooked them. our common home had been barred of this growth of the skewed in which cries out to heaven and which today powerfully strikes our homes, our city, our
societies. to use a telling phrase of the martin luther king, we can say that we have defaulted on our promissory note and now is the time to honor it. we know by faith that the creator does not abandon us. his neighbor forsakes his loving pl plan. humanity has the ability together in building our common home as christians, we wish to
commit ourselves to the conscious responsible care of our common home. mr. president, remarks were recently made with reconciliation and to open new doors to cooperation within our hamm family represent steps along the path of reconciliation, justice and freedom. i would like all men and women of good will in this great nation to support the efforts of
the national community to protect the vulnerable in our world and inclusive models of development. so that our brothers and sisters everywhere may know the blessings of peace and prosperity which god wishes for all his children. mr. president, once again, i thank you for your welcome. and i look forward to these days in your country. god bless america.
official guest book at the white house and then meet privately with president obama in the oval office in the west wing. >> anderson, and i'm sure all our viewers were able to hear that lone voice shout "we love you, pope francis" right after the ceremony was concluded. i don't know how many times that happens at an official guest of the white house. but certainly that was clearly audible to the world far and wide. and the two leaders discussed not just gospel but hot-button issues obviously all couched in the words of scripture and faith from immigration to the climate to freedom of worship, freedom of religion and, of course, the pope started by declaring himself the son of an immigrant family. and chris cuomo is right there, heard it all, imbibe the atmosphere. chris. >> reporter: the first thing is that people online and who are here were speculating on did the holy father seem to be walking a little bit with a limp? the answer is yes. our sources close to the vatican
confirm he has a case of sciatica. it's nothing serious. it flared up while he was in cuba. so let's put that to the side. the holy father is probably at his best. and here's what's resonating most with this audience. the holy father is known to quote people. in cuba he quoted jose marten. he quoted pop john paul ii. but today he quoted martin luther king with one of his famous lines about defaulting on a promissory note of freedom and now is the time to honor it. that really moved this crowd. him speaking in english mattered. and not just because of the coherence of it because of the ability to see the words of emphasis to this pope. and when he spoke about that there is a clear evidence of a change and that it's a problem that can't be left to future generations with respect to the -- pollution and global warming is the inference, that mattered. tolerance and inclusiveness of people, that mattered to those on the right and the left here. and only then, when you talked
about that veiled reference of capitalism and what its excesses can be and how it can hold people down, that played, but it played least. people certainly wanted to hear the president, but this was the pope's moment. and when he spoke, the hush really became almost a predictable silence of intensity. the effusive nature of this can't be understated. there they are out on the balcony. you hear the crowd now. ♪ >> -- from here they'll go -- the pope will sign the official guest book at the white house. then they will meet privately in the oval office. we're joined by delia gallagher,
our cnn vatican correspondent. bishop, in terms of what you heard from this pope this morning, how did he sound to you? >> well, he sounded strong. but also, i think once again, he sounded the general themes, the general encouragement. without getting down into policy. that's, i think, what you're going to see over the next few days, that he's going to encourage us to a particular kind of themes of justice, themes of the environment, themes of immigration. and then allow -- will not get deep down mining into policy issues because that's where the weeds are. >> he's going to also be meeting with bishops later today. >> yeah, and i have no idea what he's going to say at this point, but from what i've heard and from other visits to bishops around the world, he's going to be both encouraging and challenging. that he's going to encourage us as brother priests, as brother bishops but also challenge us to particular things as our chief pastor. >> delia gallagher, you've heard this pope speak a lot.
>> i thought it was interesting. he went right in and outlined all of the points that we've been talking about and that we expected him to make right away in this welcome speech, as it were, you know. >> immediately bring up immigration. >> he went into everything. he went into immigration and possibly also in the order in which he thinks it might be important. immigration, marriage. he talked about supporting the institution of marriage, religious liberty, climate and then the economy. so really comprehensive. i mean, just got it all in there -- in that kind of encouraging sort of way. but those are all the top issues. i mean, i think we'll be hearing more about all of that. that was kind of the outline. >> and john king and maria over there talking about the political context of all of this. the president was almost more political than the pope. but let's not forget that the fastest growing part of the catholic church in the united states is amongst the hispanic and latino community. john. >> christiane, just a bit on the scene, i'll make the point that
others have before me that i think both men quickly got to the political or policy points depending on your perspective. marriage is an issue as delia just noted which the pope has a disagreement with this white house. religious liberty is an issue in which the pope and vatican are somewhat concerned that the administration will not act boldly to protect those who say, may not provide services to a gay wedding. there's some tensions there. on most of the other issues, the pope is in agreement with the president. just a bit on the stage, i covered the white house for 9 1/2 years. you're always excited when you got to go to a big event on the south lawn, and i've never seen an event of this size, 11,000-plus people. you have the marine band. you have the color guard. you have the beautiful sort portico of the presidential mansion behind you and you're looking out on the mall and the washington monument is such a great stage of america's democracy. i think on this day also a great altar for the pope to deliver his first welcoming message to the people of the united states. there is a lot of politics and policy to chew over, but i just
think the scene here today is something that i just find remarkable. >> and can i just chime in on what you mentioned, christiane, about the focus on the hispanic community? you know, today a majority of hispanic adults identify as catholic. and the majority of those speak spanish. so the pride among hispanic catholics but frankly the latino population as a whole today, i think they could not be prouder. the other point i would make is his focus on immigration. one of the greatest speeches that he has made or at least that was so compelling to everybody who's been fighting for imbrace was this speech that he made at the island which is south -- an island that is south of italy when there was the issue of all of these migrants from africa. and he talked about how we have to focus again on the least among us. he told us to avoidance theesh ya of the heart. he talked about the globalization of indifference. so i think for that and latinos in this country incredibly
compelling. >> we should also point out the other big event after the private meeting between the pope and the president, the holy father is going to load into the popemobile, departing the south grounds for a parade, and there are thousands of people, we believe, who have already lined the streets. let's take a look, in fact, out on the streets. there you see some of the crowds who have come out very early in the morning, hoping to get a prime spot. more people, no doubt, will be arriving. this pope is somewhat off schedule already, about probably an hour or so or maybe 40 minutes behind schedule. but may be able to make up some of that. but those crowds are certainly happy to wait. it is a glorious day here in washington. a lovely day to be standing outside waiting to try to get a glimpse of this pope. this will be the first time we've actually seen him in the so-called popemobile in the united states. >> and as you can imagine, with all greatly anticipated
visitors, crowds were out, you know, from before dawn. i mean, it was dark when they started to line up and come to those barricades. there's so many streets in washington that are closed off. there's, you know, some concern as to whether the metro, the underground service, will be able to handle everything. and so there's quite a lot of logistical sort of, you know, heavyweight being thrown at this to make sure it all goes off incredibly smoothly. and i think one of the things that we have not spoken about this morning, but it is a very important thing for american catholics and catholics all over the world, and it has sort of, you know, been -- the wrong word is inspiration -- but the reason for a lot of flight from the catholic church is this ongoing social abuse scandal. and the pope is not expected to raise it very prominently while he's here. and i wonder, bishop, whether you know whether he will meet with victims, what he might say to the bishops when he has his, you know, talk with them, not just the set piece speech that he's going to have, which he probably will bring it up, but what will he say?
because it really walloped the american catholic church practically more than any other church. >> well, from what i've been told, there is a plan for him to meet with victims in philadelphia. and i don't know the time frame on that. but i've been told that he will be meeting with them. that he will reach out to them and their families, that he is going to speak to this matter. it certainly is something that we as a church have to continue to deal with. it's not being dealt with as well in other places in the world as it is here in the united states right now. i think for the most part, the bishops of the united states, with some exceptions, of course, have got our act together in all of these matters. but i know there are those who disagree, but i really think that we're making every effort, at least from everyone that i know, we're making every effort to make sure that these things do not happen again. >> do you think the bishops will actually lobby, or how will this be resolved, the idea that the statute of limitations on complaints and allegations runs out? and there are many victims who say, well, we need to be able to have a much longer time to be able to bring these charges? >> part of this issue is i'm the bishop. i also have responsibility and
care of my priests. the priests are also saying where's the justice for us? the statute of limitations are put in for the purposes of justice. you know, that after time, people's memories aren't quite as clear. you can't get the proper witnesses. sometimes you can't quite get through the maze of history, the mist of history. and so there is a reason why, in terms of jurisprudence, we have a statute of limitations. so when you begin to kind of set it aside for only this kind of crime or only this group of people, is that really fair? and aren't priests allowed and others who are charged in these things in terms of ecclesial crimes? on the other hand as a bishop, i want to reach out to the victims as well and be fair to them and to recognize the kind of justice that may be coming -- that may be necessary for them. so it's a hard balancing act for any of us. >> i don't know whether any of you came across, but there was a rather -- you know, quite a shocking report in "global post" about how some of the priests against whom these allegations
were made have simply been plucked from their parish in the united states and put in parishes in latin america and elsewhere. >> that did happen. i don't know of it happening now. you know, i do know of cases that i've been a part of where we've had international priests that have had allegations made against them. most of the point it's been allegations involving inappropriate behavior with adults. and we've made every effort to make sure that it's handled here in the united states, that they're not broomed out and turned back to their country. it's very important that people be able to return -- receive the justice that's due or the punishment that's due for any crimes that are committed in this country. so yes, those things did happen in the past. but i don't -- honestly, i don't see them happening here in the united states, no. >> i just want to tell our viewers, this is a shot by the rose garden. we're going to see there's a reception happening right now inside. we're going to see pope francis and president obama coming through as they go toward the west wing. we're going to take a short break. when we come back, we're going to talk about some of the controversy about some of the
guests who were here at the south lawn of the white house. we're going to be speaking to at least one of them coming up. but i want to get bishop's thoughts and delia gallagher's thoughts on that controversy. the white house came under some criticism for really a handful of people that they had invited among the 11,000 or so -- up to 15,000 who were actually at the south lawn today. we're going to take a short break. our coverage continues in a moment. >> from an immigrant family, i'm happy to be a guest in this country which was lastly built by such families. i look forward to these days of dialogue in which i hope to
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the speculation and the buzz just begins. on the left you're seeing the white house. on the right, that special door, that's where the president gets to work every day next to the rose garden. and that will be the point of entry for the private meeting between the pope and potus. what will they speak about in their 45 minutes? will it be different from what they said in public? there's an expectation of that. and we'll be bringing you every step of this journey. literally as they walk into the meeting, we'll be there as we will be at all the key events. now, in assessing what today means, you're going to see it a lot of different ways based on who you are and what you wanted to hear. there is certainly controversy. there was before this even began. and one of the points of it was about who was invited to this among the some 15,000 people that the white house says was on this -- were on the south lawn. there were a number of people that were seen as controversial, and one of them is standing next to me right now. the bishop gene robinson, the former episcopal bishop of new hampshire. bishop, thank you for being with
us. >> i'm delighted to be here, chris. >> reporter: you are controversial, sir. do you feel that way, and what do you think it is about? >> i didn't feel very controversial standing in the middle of 15,000 people. far, far away from the pope. i was honored and humbled to be invited. to be here at the white house, to help welcome the pope. but the controversy, i think, was a bit of a tempest in a teapot. >> let's tell them why. is it the color of his shirt? it's that you were the first openly gay bishop in the episcopal church. there is reporting that the vatican pushed back and said we're worried about some of these invitees, namely a gay bishop because it could be a photo op. it could be used to push a policy agenda that does not reflect the holy father or the vatican. fair criticism and concern? >> sure. and i would never have put the pope in such a position. i never expected to meet the pope. i never -- nothing like that was ever set up. so i'm left wondering who stirred this up, whether it was
someone trying to be overly protective of the pope or whether, in fact, there are, you know, some conservative catholic groups that are really trying to undermine the wonderful ministry that he has shown us so far. and so i would never do anything to undermine that. we disagree on that issue, of course. but that's okay. i can still pray for him. and i can still love him as the great leader he is. >> reporter: was it wrong for the white house to invite somebody that may test the position of the vatican? >> i don't think so. this was america's welcome to the pope. and as far as i can tell, this crowd represented america. and america is incredibly diverse. and so this crowd should have been diverse. >> reporter: and you don't believe the pushback came from the vatican even though it is quoted from a vatican high source? >> you know, this pope needs the least protection of any pope that i've lived to see. he is strong. one gay bishop in the middle of
a crowd of 15,000 people is not anything this pope would be intimidated by. >> reporter: catholics of the catechism, the teaching on gay marriage, is that there is none. it is between a man and a woman. what pope francis has said that resonated was one, he used the word "gay." when there's been no steps, a small step matters. but he has never said in any way that he believes in gay marriage. he just said who am i to judge a person for being gay? do you think we make too much of the progress, as some would see it? >> i think it is progress and most of it is a change in tone. what i hope is that over the course of his ministry, as he meets with gay and lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, as he's already begun to do his own views about our families will change. i mean, he cares about families. >> reporter: well, that's the whole reason he's in america right now. ostensibly, by the way. the apparent reason is his council on the family and a
festival they're having in philadelphia. and when he defines it as marriage and families, he said it in his speech, that it's a key moment in our history of civilization, there is fair speculation that gay marriage has no place in that discussion for pope francis, and are you okay with that? >> i understand that that's where he and the roman catholic church is right now. although i must say -- >> reporter: a majority of your church as well. >> a majority of lay catholics favor gay marriage. >> reporter: true. >> so there's this disconnect between the hierarchical leadership and the people in the pews because they know us. they know our families. we are their sons and daughters. so this is not something out of the layities realm of experience. it is out of the realm of the pope's experience. >> reporter: so in terms of what will resonate today, everybody will take something different from this. certainly the pope was more provocative today than i heard him be in cuba except when he was talking to some of his own when he was with the jesuits. he touched on a lot of topics.
the pick moment for the american media will be that he's known for quoting people, jose marte, pope john paul ii. today martin luther king. the quote, "we have defaulted on a promissory note, and it is time to honor it." what did that mean to you? >> the thing i love the most about this pope is that he mirrors jesus's teaching that we must always reach out to the marginalized, the dispossessed and the ostracized from our society. it's who jesus spent all of his time with. and we see this pope spending a lot of time with those people who are on the margins. and to quote martin luther king jr. is exactly right. also, exactly right for this moment in american history where we're also dealing with racism. and so this is a very smart pope. >> reporter: english is not his first language. it was important for him to speak to the american public in
english because emphasis matters. what words he chooses to emphasize matters and certainly transcends any linguistic issue that he has, any language issue that he has. and it did seem as though he was shaking the finger gently, you know, in his own beautiful way, but more here than he was doing at the cuban regime. is that fair criticism or assessment of his speech? >> i think it's a fair assessment, but i wouldn't criticize it. >> reporter: why would he shake a finger more at america than cuba? >> i think he understands that cuba's reentry into the world community, it's a very delicate situation. and he wanted to treat it delicately. there's no reason in the world to be delicate with america. >> reporter: but it's just as delicate here. these families who are exiled, who are displaced, who lost everything from a regime that rejected catholicism, that made it illegal, you know, that sent away christmas until in recent years when a pope reinvigorated that part of it. why do you justify that balance
of scrutiny by the holy father? >> i think he's wanting to cajole cuba back into the fold. and he wants to do that very carefully. >> reporter: so the u.s. gets the stick? >> yeah, in one sense. i think we can take it, right? you know, we're -- as priests, as ordained people, we are called upon both to be pastors but also to be prophets, or the old saying goes, rather than -- you know, with some people, you comfort the afflicted, but the other side of that is afflicting the comfortable. and i think he was comforting the afflicted in cuba, and he's afflicting the comfortable here in america. >> reporter: well said. let's see how it plays here among all the various constituencies in this crucible of american christianity. bishop, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. >> you're so welcome. >> reporter: christiane, as i give it back to you, it will be very interesting to see what plays and what does not with all the different people and
audiences that were listening to pope francis today. >> they certainly were. let's talk about some of the guests who were there. we are joined here, krchristian delia gallagher, our vatican correspondent. was there too much made over who was invited to the south lawn? >> as bishop robinson pointed out, there are a small number. >> literally a handful or two. >> he also said a point that i very much agree with, that the white house is america's residence. and the pope is coming to the white house as a guest to encounter america in all its diversity, complexity and issues. and he's going to encounter that not only in the white house, but in all his churches. it's who we are. and to have these people there, yes, maybe there were some political point being made, but at the end of the day, that's who we are as americans. these are the issues that we deal with. and he's always been open to -- he appears to have been open since he became pope to encountering transgender people, atheists, those people who would have been outside of the
catholic church or seen outside until recently. >> although, delia gallagher, critics of the president have said, you know, if the king of saudi arabia came, do they invite critics of the saudi regime to, you know, to a south lawn ceremony? >> well, i think, you know, the vatican is sensitive to the fact that somebody might try to use the pope. i mean, it just happened in italy before this trip that a woman who wrote children's books about gender and so on sent them to the vatican, sent them to the pope, received a standard letter back and then said, oh, look, you know, the pope likes my books. so there's that side of it. but on the other hand, let's say that, you know, it's beneath the vatican to try and censor a guest list. as the bishop said, they're quite aware that pope francis wants to meet anybody and everybody, and i don't think they'd want to make too much of a stink about a guest list at the white house, although anybody can say, you know, it just takes one vatican official to say, well, gee, i don't
really like a, b and c, and that becomes a story. >> does this go, though -- oh, they're coming through. >> pope francis and president obama walking by the rose garden. they're going to be heading to the west wing to the oval office where they'll meet privately. >> there's apparently no aid for translators, so they're going to be talking -- do they talk more deliberately about some of these issues that really just the surface was scratched during the welcoming speeches, and how far do they go into some of these issues? the president, i don't believe, is going to congress tomorrow. i think the vice president is. perhaps we should bring in john king to talk about -- >> john king, you've seen a lot of these walks. >> reporter: where they're coming out of is the residence part of the white house, and they're walking down to the president's left. you're right, it's the rose garden where we see the president frequently doing press conferences. again, you're on the south side of the white house, the mall side, not the pennsylvania avenue side. as they walk down here to the
holy father's right at the moment is the white house briefing room just behind that wall is where the press secretary briefs reporters. then they'll make a left when they get to the end. and it's a few short steps into the oval office. the president is looking directly now, the holy father looking directly now at a door into the west wing. this is the working part of the white house where the president's staff is. the president's office, of course, the oval offi, the vice president has an office steps from that. the chief of staff. and we don't need to get into this at the moment, but when you come into an administration, that's part of the big fight, who gets the prime real estate in the white house. but by winning the election, the president gets the most prime real estate of all. it is quite spectacular to be inside the oval office. and this is the holy father's first visit to the united states. it is, of course, also his first walk down this sacred place. >> to the background music of the camera shot and the motor drive, and it is absolutely deafening. there's no way we can overhear or eavesdrop what they may be saying there. >> how substantive is a meeting like this?
we're told it may go on for as long as 45 minutes. cameras will not be present. probably some still cameras are. but what sort of things really would be discussed? >> well, if you're going to speculate, wouldn't you think it would be something to do with cuba? i mean, the holy see -- the vatican state has been instrumental in bringing together the mediation of cuba and the united states. and that as this has been on the table for the past couple of weeks and that the u.s. is progressing in that way, i think it will be more how can we help and keep this moving forward. that would be where i would think. you can actually get down to brass tacks. >> interestingly on that, we can discuss the politics of it, but at the united nations in the next several weeks, not at the big general assembly, there's now some reporting that suggests that the united states may not veto the traditional annual sort of condemnation of the embargo. >> we also just want to point out, if you're watching at home, wherever you may be watching, in short order after this private meeting, the pope will be
getting to the so-called popemobile. this is the first time we'll see that here in the united states for this pope. you see some of the thousands, probably tens of thousands of people, who have gathered out on the streets to greet this pope. they have been coming -- some have slept out on the streets. it's a relatively short route that you see there. the parade route for the pope to make. he's going to be heading to st. matthew's for midday prayers and meeting remarks to u.s. bishops. there are a lot of very enthusiastic people waiting to see this pope. we're also joined by john allen, cnn senior vatican analyst, who is standing by also with cnn's jim sciutto. john, i'm just curious, you've followed this pope now for quite some time. what did you make of his remarks today? >> anderson, i found myself thinking, if you take the totality of what francis had to say this morning, how unusual it is for any public figure to come to the white house and deliver that entire message. i mean, we can imagine lots of public figures who would come here and talk about the
importance of defending marriage and the importance of religious liberty. and one can imagine others who would come here and talk about immigration and climate change. but the idea of one figure who would deliver all of those messages together is quite striking. and quite frankly, i think it's a reminder that this pope, in particular, and really catholic social teaching, in general, just utterly defies the conventional left/right divisions of american politics. and it will be very interesting to track, you know, how political figures in this country and activist dprup grou so on try to process everything the pope said because that doesn't quite neatly serve anyone's agenda as we've organized our political life. >> and john, just yesterday, i mean, you were on the flight with the pope from cuba to the united states. you travel with him frequently. he talked about that label of being called a leftist by some. >> yeah. i mean, he was asked a question in particular about that "newsweek" cover that says "is the pope still catholic?" and he jokingly said, look, if
you need me to, i'll recite the creed which is the prayer that catholics say at mass stating their beliefs. and then he went on to say, look, i know in some quarters people think -- and he used the phrase "i'm a little bit leftist." he said if people think that it's been a mistake in interpretation, a mistake in explanation because i'm not trying to peddle an ideological line. what i am trying to do is give voice to the social teaching of the catholic church. and he actually got a little feisty about it, anderson. at one point he sort of defied reporters on the plane. he said if any of you can give me an example of a time that i have said something that is not part of the social doctrine of the church, please let me know, which was followed by a kind of deafening silence. i think one of the things he's trying to do on this trip is to make the point that he's not a one-man band. and he's not on a personal crusade. he is trying to act as a champion and an advocate for the corporate social teaching of the catholic church. and again, i say, that's a pretty countercultural message in america because it blends elements that play strongly to
the right and other elements that play strongly to the left. >> i mean, that's what's so interesting, though, about this pope. and some have where inthat he's trying to find a third way which is not in any way changing catholic teaching or changing doctrine, but emphasizing the role of mercy, emphasizing the desire delia gallagher of this pope to have the church meeting people where they're at. >> yeah. i mean, first of all, it's significant that a pope even has to defend the fact that he's catholic. i mean, that tells you already, you know, where some people in america think his message has gone. and the fact that he does feel, you know, that it has been misinterpreted and that he needs to reiterate what he's suggesting is actually part of the teaching is significant. >> but he's obviously -- and everybody carries their own baggage. he's very aware that he comes from latin america, that people in the united states, particularly conservatives, look at the theologian, you know, the liberation theologists of the
past. i mean, some people have suggested, you know, he's a marxist reluctantly coming to the scenes of capitalism. >> at some stage it becomes -- you know, what is the doctrine anymore, you know? does that matter? if the approach is very open, then the question for the conservatives is, you know, well, then the doctrine -- what is it going to matter, you know? >> i mean, this man has been a pastor. as archbishop of buenos aires. he's been out in the barrios, out in the ghetto. he doesn't start with the dogma and the doctrine and work down. he starts with what the situation and the reality in front of him and then applies dogma and doctrine. sometimes it's difficult to interpret as the pope, as the head of the catholic church, but that's who he is. >> and isn't it really honestly just extraordinary that most of this sort of fear, if there is fear amongst some quarters of the catholic church or americans, in general, that he
is being a pastor? and we haven't actually seen that from many popes, many of his predecessors. they were much more into the pomp and circumstance. they would have been in their limousines and motorcades. they wouldn't have been paying their own bills at the guest house. >> i believe it was six months -- after six months of being pope, he talked to people within the vatican about careerism. he talked about -- i mean, he was very critical of sort of the -- some of the bureaucracy and a lot of the inner workings of the vatican that he hoped to change. >> and actually, a lot of workers at the vatican were sort of hurt by that. there were people that thought, well, we don't really deserve that. we've been working really hard, and we're good people. >> what about it, bishop? >> it's all personalities, too. pope benedict is a wonderful bishop. and he's a wonderful pastor. it's just his personality is very different than this pope. pope francis is a man of images. he's a man of the grand gesture. he's a man of making sure that
when we talk about the poor, he's out there actually inviting poor men to his birthday dinner or making sure that we have showers at the vatican or going to an island where refugees are struggling to find -- >> but even on the issue of homosexuality, let's face it, pope benedict talked about an intrinsic mental disorder. this pope says "who am i to judge?" there are huge differences. this pope is a pastor. >> but it's a difference in approach, exactly. welcome. who am i to judge? but actually you're the pope of a church which does judge. >> but even that is up for potential discussion in this synod. we don't know. >> just a clarification, too. it's not the phrase it's a mental disorder, it's a disorder. and the problem is it's a theological term. it refers to theological order of nature or whatever. i know i'm splitting hairs. but because the word "disorder" tends to go to that order of mental disorder, and it's a
different thing. i wish we didn't use that word. i wish we had a different word. >> which is it, an intrinsic physical disorder? >> the orientation is disordered. it's not the person, but it is the act and the orientation, if i understand correctly, bishop. >> it is. the problem is the word "disorder" is interpreted in terms of mental faculties. >> well, disorder is a term that is out there to be interpreted as it sounds. a disorder. let's not parse it. >> is that going to change? i mean, that's what i think a lot of people are asking. >> some of the language he used early on, talking about the bureaucracy of the vatican, he talked about self-referential tendency toward theological narcissism, careerism, those are pretty tough words to hear from a pope six months in, as you said, delia, to people who have been working in the vatican. >> yeah. and like i said, some of them did take a little bit of umbrage. on the whole, of course, they
welcome that message. it's hard. he's their boss. >> but it's more than umbrage. the american cardinal basically said that, you know, a lot of people in the vatican are expressing concerns to him about this pope. there is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder. now, for that, he got demoted for that and other thought. but there is a lot of pushback amongst the conservatives, and hopefully we'll get a comment in a bit. >> let's go back to jim sciutto who's also with john allen. john, again, you covered a lot of popes. in terms of what is happening within the vatican itself, within the curia, has there been a lot of change? >> anderson, sure, there's been change. look, the pope sets a tone. and if there's one thing people that work in the vatican are very good at, it's figuring out what the new boss wants. the place has in some ways become much more relaxed, much more informal. they've also gotten what francis's prior tos a s priori are. they've engaged the largest refugee crisis since the second world war with full force
because they know what's what francis wants. on this point about blowback, can i be clear? i covered john paul ii and benedict xvi. it came from somewhat different quarters than the resistance francis is getting, but i don't think the overall level of resistance is any greater. resistance to popes goes all the way back to st. peter. and i don't see any particular evidence that francis is being hobbled by it. >> jim sciutto, i'm told we're about to get images of the meeting between president obama and the pope in the oval office. i'm curious to hear your thoughts on what you heard this morning. i mean, it was an extraordinary event to see a welcome of this size at this level for the pope, again, the first time he's been to the united states. >> no question. this is the pope who knows the power of his voice. he's an adept politician and careful with his words. with each of those issues he touched on today, talking about being the son of immigrants, on religious freedom, very much in the election campaign, on
poverty, certainly on climate change. he knows the power of his voice, and that's important. but one more point i would make, anderson, we're 15 minutes behind schedule. the reason is he met with supporters outside the residence. >> and jim -- >> that's the type of pope that he is. >> jim, just moments ago, this is the meeting. let's listen in. >> reporter: what is the most important issue you will discuss? >> i was just commenting that i noticed all of you are much better behaved than usual. >> reporter: what is your sense about the migrants? >> thank you, everybody. >> thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> -- much better behaved when the pope is there. jim sciutto, would you agree with that? >> no question. absolutely. he knows -- he called him the holy father, right, so he knows
the power of his voice. the point i was going to make is this. we're 15 minutes behind schedule. i'm certainly not scolding the pope on that. that's because when the pope left the vatican residence this morning, he stopped to meet and shake hands and take selfies with supporters outside. he had luminaries waiting for him here. the leaders of the free world. he kept them waiting because his style, his emphasis, his priority, is to meet with real people and connect with them. and i think we're going to see a lot more of that as he does the parade route and later today as he does his trip to new york and philadelphia. >> this parade is something that many in washington have been anticipating, have been lining up now for hours, even overnight to try to get a prime spot along the parade route. the pope is going to be in the popemobile. the big question not only for those who want to meet the pope, see the pope, also for security, is he going to stop the popemobile, get out and actually try to mix with the crowd? that's something that new york authorities are preparing for as well when the pope comes to new york later tomorrow. there is a lot more ahead this
morning, not only after the parade, he's going to be heading to st. matthew's and meeting with bishops. we're going to be bringing you that as well as a mass, celebrating mass at the catholic university. i was there last night. there was a lot of excitement on the campus. a lot of students there. in fact, it's the largest basilica in the united states, but it is not even big enough for all the people that want to try to get there. so they're actually going to have the mass outside the basilica. we're going to take a short break. our coverage continues in just a moment.
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and welcome back for our continuing coverage of pope francis's visit. his first day -- full day here in washington, d.c. you see the crowds lining up there, waiting to get their first glimpse of pope francis in the popemobile as he leaves the white house in which he anticipate happening in just several minutes. i'm joined with my colleague, christiane amanpour for continuing coverage of this very exciting morning here. history being made. the first time this pope has
visited the united states, 78 years old, it's an extraordinary visit for him, for president obama, for all those who are welcoming him here this morning. let's go down to our carol costello who's along the parade route. carol, people have been gathering for very, very long now, haven't they? >> reporter: oh, you're not kidding. some people got here at 10:00 last night. and i'm sorry you just missed it, anderson, but people were doing the wave, keeping themselves occupied. one of the most beautiful things about this crowd is no one is talking about politics. no one is talking about church doctrine. everybody's just talking about love. you know, there's a jumbotron set up over here on the grounds of the washington monument. so people could hear the pope's remarks when he spoke from the south lawn of the white house. when he talked about being a child of immigrants and he talked about america being the land of immigrants, a huge crowd went out because i want my photographer, jay, to pan around because you can see this crowd
consists of all different nationalities. in just one little corner, i found people from vietnam, from china, from nicaragua, from guatemala, all across the world. this is america. this is the great melting pot. and when they heard the pope say that, and speak of his love for immigrants, it meant a lot to them. they don't really care about other things so much like when the pope talked about climate change. there was a little cheer that went up. all they want to think about right now is this could be our transformational figure. they're looking for someone that gives them hope. and they believe that pope francis is the person that might be able to do that, anderson. >> do you have any sense of size of crowds out there? >> reporter: oh, my gosh. well, you're looking right down constitution avenue. and the popemobile will travel down constitution avenue. and then it will turn right here at 15th. and so people are lined all the way down 15th as well.
and i would say, with each line of people, it's probably about 20 deep. there has to be tens of thousands of people. you see all of the police officers lining the route, too, right? and the barriers keeping the crowd from the roads. so everybody's hoping, of course, that the pope gets out of his popemobile, but they will not be able to run up to the pope like they were in other countries because obviously police want to keep them away. and they certainly will be by those line of police officers that you see. there's also a lot of national guard milling about. and lots and lots of secret service people, although they've kind of blended in with the crowd right now and possibly for very good reason. >> well, that's one of the things i've been talking to a lot of nypd officers about their security preparations, carol. and it's one of the things they are training for is the idea that this is a pope who wants to be accessible, who wants to get out and touch and talk with people. and they have to be ready for that. so it's not just the officers you see lining the route, the uniformed officers, it's also
plainclothesed officers milling with the crowd, trying to kind of get a sense of the crowd, look out for anybody who may seem out of place, anybody who may not be as excited as everybody else around them, anybody with a backpack. in new york, certainly, and i know the chief of police here in washington, d.c., they have trained for any kind of potential and role-played out any kind of potential vulnerabilities for this pope. >> absolutely. and i'm just having this -- >> reporter: here where i am -- just want to say security has i- been very tight. the popemobile is supposed to come down constitution avenue in just about ten minutes. at 10:00, they cleared the street of all media and were combined to this media pen right now. nobody is allowed in the street. not civilians, not media, only police. and the streets are absolutely -- everybody passed through security. you wrepteren't allowed to briny of the pope flags with long poles on them. they confiscated those. you're only able to bring in
those tinie ly little vatican f. you weren't allowed to bring in metal or backpacks. so the people camping overnight had only blankets with them, and that's about it. >> anderson, as we look at that and we keep thinking and hoping, i'm sure many people hope to see some kind of sort of crowding the pope's car. they would love to be able to talk to him. and having this flashback to the '80s when it was mikhail gorbachev with president reagan who stepped out of the bubble and started to shake people's hands. at that time it was revolutionary. he was the leader of the soviet union. the wall hadn't collapsed yet, i don't think. and at that time, remember -- well, pope francis's predecessor, pope john paul ii, was the great anti-communist pope. so when we talk about popes and their effect, they really do have massive effect, some of them. pope john paul ii was a huge motivator behind the fall of communism, the collapse of the berlin wall, the fall of eastern europe.
and this pope is, in his own way, a huge motivator in terms of social justice, climate justice, you know, people -- >> he's also -- and we're here with delia gallagher, vatican correspondent, and bishop christopher coyne from vermont. he's set the tone in terms of where he lives in the vatican itself. >> i think that was one of the clues to people that he really meant business when he talks about being a pope for the poor and he wants a church for the poor. >> he doesn't live in the beautiful residence that the prior pope lived in at the vatican. >> right. which by his own admission is not so beautiful. he said it's very big and it's kind of a funnel to get into it. he said he wanted to be with people, and that's why he lives in the hotel. >> and before we take a break, we want to go to rosa flores who is at catholic university with all the preparations because that's where the pope is going to give the big mass this afternoon. rosa. >> reporter: well, i think the
conversation about immigration continues here at catholic university. we heard what carol just mentioning some of those remarks by the pope at the white house. and just hear this, the pope saying that he is an immigrant because he is, his family moving from italy all the way to argentina. his grandmother who has a beautiful name, by the way, her name is rosa, traveled there and established a new life. and his family lost everything during the depression. so when this pope speaks about immigration, the difficulties of the immigrants, he knows exactly what he's talking about. he's not reading about something. that is his life. now, as to what we're going to see happen here at the basilica, later today, there's going to be a cannonization ceremony for
junipero, a very controversial figure. on one side, he's revered because he is an 18th century franciscan missionary who came to the united states to california and started evangelizing along the coast. now, where does the controversy come? well, a lot of native americans and latino groups have said that, you know, it's a bleeding wound that reminds them of a time when their culture, their language, was ripped from them. but the catholic church does defend this man. they're cannonizing him. they're making him a saint. so that's what we're going to see later today. you can see the preparations going on. a lot of empty seats right now, but they're not going to be empty for long, christiane and anderson, because there are so many people waiting on the sidelines to fill these seats. >> yeah. i was at the campus last night, and there were, you know, hundreds of students out there. there's just incredible excitement, obviously, on that campus. not everybody is going to even
be able to get a seat to celebrate the mass with pope francis. but even people just wanting to be there yesterday to kind of soak in the scene. and there you see the scene out on the streets as some of the tens of thousands of people carol costello talked about eagerly awaiting their first glimpse of the pope in the popemobile. that we anticipate very shortly. we're going to take a short break. we'll be right back. when broker chris hill stays at laquinta he fires up the free wifi, with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before! so he can rapidly prepare his presentation. and when he perfects his pitch, do you know what chris can do?
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and welcome back. what a morning it has been so far. it is just about 11:00 a.m. here in washington, d.c. you see the scene there. some tens of thousands of people, faithful, some merely just curious people. lining the streets, waiting to get their first glimpse of pope francis in the popemobile. that anticipated in the next several minutes or so. right now he is still meeting with president obama in the oval office in the west wing of the white house. he will be heading, after parading through the streets, he'll head to st. matthew's where he's going to meet with a number of the faithful, with bishops. there's a live shot inside. he's going to be speaking to bishops there and other members of the clergy. from there, he's then going to head to catholic university where he will