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halt. >> i'll tell you what, he's already having an effect where we are, i'm chris quacuomo. i'm at the catholic university. makes it a special place for the religion and very special today. we are outside the ba kisilica the shrine of the immaculate conception. that's where the pope will lead his first mass on american soil. then he'll go on a whirlwind tour of this city. he's going to get back in the pope mobile. this will be a big deal on different levels. him going around the city, brooke, is obvious. people want to see him. he'll kiss babies. he's going to restore the faithful, the 70 million catholics, the biggest denomination in the country. that's going to be a big deal. just from a celebrity standpoint and from a catholic fanfare standpoint. right now the pope is behind closed doors, as we know, he's taking a little bit of a rest at
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the vatican seat here in washington, d.c. it's like an embassy for the holy sea. he had the big morning in d.c. so he needs a rest. 78 years oe s old. it's been very hot, not as hot as it was in cuba. after addressing 11,000 some people on the south lawn and seeing the tens of thousands on the streets, that's a big taxing thing. and this event mens something to him, to have the president of the united states talking about him and his efforts in a very effusive, congrat latory way. that's a big deal. certainly the pope returned the favor. however, this was different than cuba already. in cuba there was a general general tillty and a mildness when he was talking about the cuban regime. everything was very oblique, nuanced. here it was much more direct, especially when it came to the environment and what the pope thinks should happen. take a listen. >> i am finding it encouraging that you are proposing
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initiatives for reducing air pollution. i'm sensing the urgency. it seems clear to me also that climate change is a problem we can no longer be left to our future generations. >> reporter: you hear there the pope putting a lot of effort into speaking english. it's not his first language. he's not comfortable with it. why did he do it? because he knew it was important to the american audience to hear him in their language. and it was very important not just because of straight level coherence but what pope decided to emphasis, what words seem to matter more to him. you saw on global warming i'm sure it will draw political criticism but he was determined on it. the other big moment was to hear
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the pope this morning who's known for quoting people for sources of authority, pope john paul ii, he quotes martin luther king, one of his famous lines about the promissory note that has been defaulted upon and that now it is time to honor it. very powerful things coming from the pope especially for the section on american history. what will he do today? there's going to be a very big mass for catholics today, the canonization of a pope. he is known as really the apostle of the catholic church in terms of helping to develop the west coast specifically california. he built nine missions there. he's very big within the church. but he's highly controversial. he'll be talking to you about why throughout this show. right now let's go to jim sciutto to get an idea what happens after the big speech this morning when the president of the united states and the pope went inside the oval office together, about 45 minutes. very often the pope is different in private than he is with the message to public, especially
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with world leaders. jim, what's the best info we have? >> reporter: based on what the white house is say, it seems that the president and the holy father, head of the catholic church, touch ond a good percentage of the hot button political issues here in the u.s. today, from the white house readout they say they discussed a moral responsibility to help people fleeing their countries, that of course speaks to the refugees fleeing syria and the middle east to europe, a big crisis there. they spoke of an obligation to reduce extreme poverty. this is an issue that is central to the pope's mission but also seems to have an overlap with the president's efforts to address wealth disparity here in the u.s. they also spoke about a duty to protect the planet, to deal with climate change. and listen to those words, chris, obligation, responsibility, duty. get a sense of the commitment of both of them to those issues. now, those are the issues where they have overlap, where they have agreement. they also discussed cuba as
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well. we know the pope had an essential role in leading to the normalization of relations. but, as we know, there are other issues where the pope and the president are not in agreement, family issues, gay marriage, abortion. josh earnest addressed this just a short time ago, asked how do they deal with the issues they did not agree on? with that, he deferred to their private conversations and it looked in this conversation, chris, they were looking for areas of overlap, agreement, and they certainly have a lot. and that's part of the list there. you heard in the public speeches, too, climate change, poverty, refugee crisis, issues like that. lots to discuss in that private oval office meeting. >> reporter: certainly it's no accident, jim, that the one thing the pope spoke about in detail specifically was climate change. everything else was certainly more nuance. he never said the word "cuba." he never said the word "marriage" except to talk about marriage and the family for the conference which is ostensibly why he came here, the big conference in philadelphia about marriage and the family.
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so what they talked about in private we'll all have to figure out in pieces. certainly the pope came with a lot to say. let's go on in what's going on in the next step of his trip, the mass for the canonization for a latin american figure for the catholic church. let's bring in -- this catholic university, the only university established i think 1887 by the u.s. bishops. you're going to have 3500 seminaryians and men and women novices as they call them in attendance inside. many thousand outside. the person at the center of it other than the pope is -- he was beat fied by john paul ii. now there's controversy. tell me about it. >> lots of controversy. let's give you a little history. he's a francis can missionary from back in the 18th sentry. he comes to california, starts establishing missions,
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evangeli evangelizing, building churches, creating a church, if you will, in california. now, here's where the controversy comes in. latino groups and also native american groups, for them this is an open wound because they say, look, this is part of our history that's very pain. f fulful? >> why? you hear missionary and you think he was doing great things. >> they say, look, he took away our language, our culture. we know the history of the united states, they ripped us of what we had in this country and took over. now, the church, what the church will say, is that in this missionary work, he was also defending the rights, giving dignity to people. now, we've seen this in other areas of the world, too, when the pope was in south america. he talked about these types of priests who are like activist priests, chris, who do a lot for the community. that's what they are opposing to
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say about -- that's why he decanonized -- >> how big a deal for latinos, hispanics is it for someone from spanish descent made a saint on american soil. >> that's a big deal. swre the nifrt latin american pope visiting the united states for the very first time. last night on the papal plane he said he wanted to come in through mexico. ette wanted to come in through juarez to make a point that he was crossing the border from mexico. he said the only reason why i didn't come in through mexico is i wasn't going to have a chance to stop by our lady of guadalupe in mexico. he said that would be a slap in the face for all mexicans and i'm not going to do that. instead, i came in through cuba. so i still came from latin america. it's the symbol a lot of times. >> still the satisfaction, mexico has a robust catholic population. why doesn't he come there if he's so close? rosa, let's monitor throughout the day, see what the feedback
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is not just for this experience but the significance with the canonization. we'll keep talking about it. big moment with the pope, the picture together, the blessing. she manhandled him. we thought it would be a security situation, but it wound up being very good. let's bring in father peter sass arella. sa oat professor of theology university of notre dame. good to have you with us. you hear us talking about jun apair row sarah. there is controversy. what is your take about why the vatican chose jun apair row sarah? >> it's a very healthy kvl conversation i think. the clash between the spanish colonial culture and indigenous culture did have violent encounters. when you mention -- or dominican -- these were exceptions rather than the rule. and these men actually took the indigenou cultures very seriously. in my own personal research and the research that the vatican did very thoroughly looking at
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both sides of this historical debate, they came to the conclusion in net effect with these missions that the francis can set up dmr california was to give us the sense that the blessing that the hispanic culture represented in the like of the conversion of the indigenous. that's the point the pope is making with the canonization and the mass. not that people should take a side on the debate among academics but it's a past oral and cultural point. >> is it a debate among academics? i have to tell you as we were getting read in for the events for the pope's trip and asking the vatican, why did you pick him for the ceremony? we're hearing on balance they believe that sarah represented the best of that mission as opposed to the worst of it. but that's not what these native american and latino groups are saying. they're saying this isn't just about -- not that it wouldn't be bad enough -- stripping of culture and all the other change of identity as part of the missionary pro zcess but there s
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forced labor, there was abuse, and he was in the middle of it and was a leader during those times. now, if that's part of what you say is the accepted part of conflict between the indigenous and the religious when you had these missionary movements, is that enough to disqualify somebody? >> i wouldn't say disqualify, but your point about him being a leader is well taken. i think the point is this is a very healthy opportunity for our conversation. if you look even at pope francis' incyclical on the environment, there's a great amount of attention paid to the voices of the indigenous speaking about the environment. if anything, pope francis is one who is moving forward the discussion about the role of the indigenous voices in latin america and throughout the world. so i think it's very healthy to have the debate about the historical past and moving forward. keep in mind also that francis is reminding u.s. citizens of their own and u.s. catholics of their own historical memory. not in the case of sara but in general.
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spanish speaking christians were in the united states before the pilgrims landed on plymouth rock. >> spanish was the first non-indigenous language spoken in the united states, what became the united states. many people don't know that. peter, let's end on this one point, though. just to iterate it, that in your research and your understanding of the role of jun apair row sara, when you look at it on balance, was he somebody that does not deserve to be painted with the brush of having been abusive? >> i think he's a very good example of what pope francis and many, many talk about the need to have a culture in which people meet each other face to face. what sara added to the mix was the presentation of the european gospel to the indigenous, and he had it. he spoke their language. he learned their language. he was part of -- this is why we have cities named san francisco in california today. and i agree with you totally that it has to be an open debate. and that's something that pope francis himself has tried to
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encourage, that we have a debate about these conflictual issu. but at the same time he wants to give a model for hispanic catholics in the u.s. >> and they have chosen sara for that. it will be a big first. he will be a saint and certainly that's not supposed to be somebody who's the point of debate. that would suggest the debate is settled with they're being made a saint after being beat i fied the first step in the process by pope john paul ii now pope francis on american soil. big move. peter, thank you for helping us understand it. brooke, no question there's controversy. people will say they're making the guy a saint. why would you bling this up? but you need to as peter said, when there's controversy, nobody wants to go out it more than pope francis. he's got an expression, making a mess. he wants to get into things that are controversial, talk about them. that's how you progress. >> right. we talked so much about what he discussed with president obama, what he said already today. we'll get into what he may say his message as he speaks to congress tomorrow.
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chris qualm mow, stand by. helping lead our coverage from washington, d.c., of pope francis. speaking of some of these issues as the pope speaks on immigration, a candidate who's made it his main thrust, his main issue speaking live flay moment, donald trump, addressing the african-american chamber of commerce in south carolina. we will take it live. also ahead, do not miss this. i will speak with a man who just wrote donald trump's biography. hear what surprised him the most. you're watching cnn special live coverage. we'll be right back.
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man still the front-runner in the nomination for the president on the republican side, donald tru trump. he is speaking in south carolina at the african-american chamber of commerce. let's listen in. >> and you know i get a lot of money to make speeches and things. he got me for nothing, meaning he's a tough negotiator. come here. i want him negotiating for us against china. but we have to take it back. we've got to take it back. we've got to get our people in line. we've got to do things that we just haven't done before. we aren't -- we have lost our way as a country, and we need businesspeople. it's time to get businesspeople in there. you know, when you talk about the african-american chamber of commerce, i mean, you have people that are great businesspeople. and it's one of the reasons
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you're here. so many people said, by the way, from your chamber in the back room, we were meeting with very smart cookies, they all read the art of the deal. and you know what i get out of it? nothing. i don't get 10%, right? but they all, this group, they've all done great. and they should. last night i did colbert. did anybody see that? so the ratings were phenomenal. it had like a 3.7. it beat "the tonight show with jimmy fallon," which i did last week. we had great ratings that night, too. and it was a great evening. and following me was the gentleman who's a very nice man, earnest, who negotiated the pact with iran. and i wrote -- colbert gave me a book, he said, would you write a little note. i wrote him a note, said, better luck next time. and he was very nice. i mean, he was -- look, they're
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trying. they're trying very hard. but we've got to do better if we're going to make our country great again. look at all these people. we've got to do -- we just have to do better. and so we can talk iran deal. you've heard me before, disaster. we can talk military. you've heard me before. we're going to build it up. we're going to make it so strong nobody is going to be messing with us. believe me. so strong, so good. we're not going to have to use it. i don't think. you know, a lot of these guys -- and i stay it. it really is terrible. they ask me, what are you going to do in syria? what are you going to do? are you going to attack russia, start world war iii? you know, syria -- i don't want to start world war iii over syria, believe me. are you going to start? bush got up and so did hillary and she said, trump's tone, his tone isn't nice. my tone. we need an energetic -- we need
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people with energy. my tone. you know, they get up, and we need people that are somewhat unpredictable. i had an article recently, and it was said great things about me from a financial standpoint. trump's really smart. he's really great. they actually used the word "genius" but i won't say that because -- they said one of the people that competed with me and actually lost said he's totally unpribltable. you never know what he's going to do. that's a good thing. it's not a bad thing. that ace good thing. and i saw the other day where marco was saying that i don't know that much about foreign policy. and i said, wait a minute. i don't like telling people what i want to do all the time. does that make sense? i am the only one on that stage the other night, which i had a great time, but it shouldn't
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have been three hoyurs. you know what happened with cnn? they're going to turn off their live feed. you know what happened with cnn? cnn sold out the first two hours at record numbers. and they did record -- it was the largest broadcast in the history of cnn. think of it. with all the awards, this was number one. i wonder how many people would have been watching if i wasn't there. what do you think? like three? three? so cnn was supposed to get $4,000 i guess for a 30-second ad, who knows. it was supposed to be 4,000. and i think it went to 250. would you say -- they said it was a 4,000% increase, but then they said it was fully higher than projected. that's good by any standard. they said, you know -- i can't blame them. they said, who cares about these people? who cares about even our audience? because nobody wants to watch for three hours. they just said, we just sold out the first two hours at record numbers so let's let these suckers stand up there for another hour in a room that was 100 degrees.
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that room was hot. i mean, poor chris christie. no, it's true! it's true. no, he's a nice guy. it wasn't fair. it was an amazing thing. i was like a piece of water. rub rubio, i've never seen a young guy sweat that much. no, i've never -- he's drinking water, water, water. i never saw anything like this with the water. and everybody, huckabee, nice guy, he was seriously hot. he was soaking wet. i grabbed him around his back. i said, good job. and it was soaking wet. i immediately -- he was drenched. so they had us up there for three hours, and it was -- you know, i really had a good time. and every poll, every single poll, drudge, "time" magazine, slate, every poll said that trump won the debate.
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right? they all said that. thank you, thank you. but the pundits don't say that. they really hate me. the pundits don't say that. the people say it, but the pundits -- you're right. she just said, who cares? it's true. you know, i tell these stories. >> all right, donald trump, the usual stump speech there in south carolina. he's going to continue going. we'll get a break in. what's pretty serendipitous here is who's sitting next to me is the donald trump biographer. i have lots of questions for him coming up. is this the real donald trump, or is this the donald trump he thinks we want to see? let's begin there. quick break. be right back.
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in north charleston, south carolina, i have his biographer sitting next to me, michael deantonio, the new biography is out right now. michael, a pleasure to have you here. >> thanks for inviting me. >> we've both been listening to him. here's my number one question. you met with him five different times over the course of off-and-on 2014 where he promised he was going to run for president. you almost didn't believe him. >> the first time i met him, owe said, i'm going to run. they're all asking me to run the. >> the man we were watching in south carolina, the man on twitter in the middle of the night, at the debate, is this the real donald trump or is he acting like the man he thinks he wants us to be? >> i think by now it's the real donald trump. this is a guy who spent 40 years building this persona he started in 1975 promoting himself as something. kind of a combination of archie bunker and the great gatsby. think of those two put together, a wise guy from queens who wants
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to be elegant and maybe a little menacing. so that's captivated us. over time, i think it's become who he really is. you know, he'll get quieter in private and forgive the expression let his hair down a little biflt, bt but not a lot. he's very on message, very focused. >> but he doesn't like to talk about the past. only what's happening right now and looking ahead. >> right. donald doesn't want to think about the past. >> why? >> because he's afraid of what he'll realize. >> what is that supposed to be mean? >> that he's hurt somebody, he'll regret something. he's a no regrets guy. he doubles down instead of retreating. >> what was his behavior like when you were speaking with him those different times? >> he got bored if the questions were too much about the past or about something detailed. i think this might be why he doesn't get into national affairs in a direct, detailed way. he likes big picture. >> it's big picture, blanket
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statements. >> right. i'm the smartest guy around. i'm really smart. i'm really really rich. vote for me. >> i'm curious about michael his relationship with his children, being at the debate, i was in the room. it wasn't 100 degrees. yes, it was warm. i was standing off camera and i saw ivanka, his daughter sitting front and center. any moment they had in commercial, she would come and greet her father. what is -- you said at the trump business he's a floor above and they would speak about him looking upward to the heavens. >> expect donald to be up on a cloud as they talk about him. they are devoted to him. ivanka is a brill valiant young woman. i think he trusts her completely. i think she is devoted to him and completely loyal. if you dealt with trump folks, they are loyal. they are on message. he's the one in charge and they're going to support him. >> just quickly, in the book, interesting tidbit, trump thought he would be dead by 40? >> he told someone that back in
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the '70s. >> why? >> you know, i think he had kind of a dramatic sense of himself. he told me that his mother was very dramatic, riveted on the queen when her coronation took place, could hold a room with her jokes. so i think he kind of has this dramatic sense of himself. you know, young people say, i'm going to die young because i live life to the fullest. it was probably a throwaway like that. >> limb did you know when he said he would run for president you would end up writing a biography of a man front and center. >> he said he would run over and over and over again and he dbt. when he told me, i thought, okay donald, let's see. then lo and behold he declared. >> "never enough: donald trump and the pursuit of success." thanks for coming by. i appreciate it. and make sure you remember here coming up in just a couple of weeks we mentioned that republican presidential debate recently in just three weeks cnn and facebook will host the first democratic presidential debate tuesday, october 13th, in las
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. during poen francis' speech this morning he said he was ready to listen to quote the hopes and dreams of the american people. the words of a negotiator.
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but how well would he be received by those in charge here in the united states? my next guest is coming straight from the white house, the director ever the institute for catholicism and citizenship and professor of theology at the university of st. thomas in st. paul, minimal minute. welcome. >> thank you. >> i know you say the pope's visit comes at a unique time because of what's happening, this great debate within the catholic church. more complex you say than the visits of john paul ii or pope benedi benedict. can you explain what you mean by that? >> yeah. >> in church history, there is a 50-year history of the visits of the popes to the united states. but the previous ones up to the visit of pope benedict in 2008, they happened in a church that was quiet or where dissent was marginal in some places. the special thing for pope
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francis is he has opened the debate on many issues like gays or contraception, marriage and family that we ignore they were there, and it happens that these issues are extremely important for the identity of the catholic church in the west. in this sense, pope francis is bringing the center of the bishops to america and he ae's trying to involve the u.s. bishops. >> you mentioned some social issues, but i want to ask you about the role of negotiator for this pope. you know, he helped broker renewed relations with cuba, reports thatasked to intervene in iran. how successful has he been so far serving as this intermediary? >> so far, he has been successful. i mean, the vatican can be the ultimate soft power in terms of global diplomacy. what's new about pope francis is that in the first two years and a half of his pontificatiupon p
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has received difficulty from american bishops and it's more difficult for popes to build bridges internally to the church. so to his own brother bishop that's are so far the most visible group that is not sure that they are getting this pope right. so that's why these three -- it's about building bridges between himself and america, but especially between himself and the leaders of the catholic church in this country. >> exactly right. and he knows that and he'll be speaking at live prayer service to a number of those bishops today. for now, professor, thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you. >> and very shortly we're all watching, aren't we all glued to these pictures? i've been all day long, the pope will be riding through these crowds in washington, d.c., in that popemobile. so stay tuned for the pictures. plus, ben carson says the money is pouring in after his controversial remarks about
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ever since ben carson said he would not support any muslim for president, the criticisms against him have really been pouring in. but reportedly so have the campaign donations. that is what dr. carson told fox news today. >> the money's been coming in so fast it's hard to even keep up with it. i remember the day of the last debate, within 24 hours we had raised a million dollars.
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and it's coming in at least at that rate if not quite a bit faster. >> cnn won't be able to verify this with the federal election commission until after the quarter ends at the end of the month, but since he first made that initial comment sunday, carson has shift his position saying he would support a muslim for the white house as long as that candidate denounced sharia law. joining me is a retired colonel who served in the military for 35 years, is a muslim chaplain who volunteered in boston and has served as a chaplain in she first gained attention for attempting to be the first female chaplain in the u.s. military. welcome to you and thank you for all that you've doe with the u.s. military. >> you're welcome. thank you for having me on the show. >> let's just begin and get right to it with dr. carson's comments. i know you have said his language is dangerous, divisive, and makes you more fearful for
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muslims than right after 9/11. tell me why. >> i'm more fearful because it seems like a lot more americans have been incited to almost do vigilante justice. so when i walk around with my hij hijab, i'm very noticeable as a muslim, as well as other women, and i'm just -- with candidates saying things like muslims shouldn't be president of the united states or we're a -- or we want to inundate, take over by sharia, these are fearful rhetoric that i think is causing the backlash on the end. that's why i'm very afraid of that. >> you bring up sharia law. there are so many misconceptions when it comes to islam. can you just explain sharia law. >> well, that is -- yes, sharia
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law is -- the way i practice it is my personal religious beliefs, how i regulate my life and my daily prayer in my giving of charity and my kindness to others. it is also similar to the kanen law that the catholics follow or what jewish people follow. but at the end of the day it doesn't consume my life that i want to make it the governing law of the country that i live in. i am very content living in the united states under the constitution, and for me the constitution affords me my freedom of religion, which is most important for me as well as other muslims. so the sharia law i think is almost like a scare tactic that some of the politicians are using to gain votes. dr. carson, he in many ways follows his canon law as a christian following his beliefs
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in lereading the bible, but he >> forgive me. because there are misconceptions of that, and i think it's important to hear you explain it. though still there are 38% of americans shareta polled in june said they would not support a muslim candidate for president. you heard me mention a million dollars according to dr. carson pouring into his campaign since he said what he did. final question, what would you say to that slice of america? >> i would say i have been in the military for 35 years defending the constitution of the united states. i am a lawful, loyal citizen as a female muslim. i am able to practice my faith and defend my country all in the same breath. and so i say the best thing is for each one of you out there to go find muslims and get to know
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muslims because the moment you understand muslims, you'll realize that islam isn't a threat to you. it is similar to your own faith practices if you have one. and if not, it is very confluent with obeying the constitution of the united states, human rights, just personal ethics. >> lieutenant colonel shareta hussein, thank you so much for your service to this country and thank you for joining me today. >> you're welcome. thank you. next, the show. somebody's got to do it. he's back for a new season. mike rowe joins me with some very extra special guests. we are also live in washington today, of course, as the pope freep prepares to perform his first mass ever on u.s. soil. our special coverage continues right after this.
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here we go. if there is one thing we are learning about mike rowe other than he will try any job apparently anywhere anytime on his hit cnn series "somebody's got to do it," it's this, his antics with his parents are as entertaining as his series. i want you to look at a behind-the-scenes promo mike was making with his mom peggy. watch this. >> what, mom? >> it's happening again. >> what's happening? i said, what's happening? what the hell is happening? why won't you talk to me? we don't talk anymore. >> sorry. you told me this season was good to be different. i got all confused with all those ropes. >> i know. i'm very convincing. here we go.
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>> aren't the bloopers the best? >> the bloopers are better than the actual promo. >> here are the stars of the show in my opinion in their very first live tv appearance, i have john and peggy rowe and yeah their son, mike. anyway, you two, so lovely to meet you. thank you for popping by my office earlier add i've heard a bit about you. let's begin with the fact that here you are, you came in from maryland. and you already had your big celebrity encounter this morning. >> oh, yeah. >> tell me about that. we're not talking about you, by the way. >> we had breakfast. >> with? >> bruce willis and martin scorsese. >> well, at least we were in the same room. >> when we say breakfast with, peggy -- >> well, we were at different tables, but we saw them. >> there we go. martin scorsese, who by the way directed our favorite film you've seen a ton of times. anyway, back to your parents, can you give me some dirt on your son? >> why am i even here? >> so we can make him blush.
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>> why am i even here? oh, my god. >> come on, dad. >> i probably could, but i don't know if it's ready for prime-time. >> we're not in prime-time. >> we're in the middle of the day, like five people are watching. >> you can say whatever you want. >> this is very prime for us. yes, i can think of something that was an embarrassment. >> let's go. >> when mike was in i believe the eighth or ninth grade, there was a smoke bomb released in the hall of his junior high school. >> yes? >> i came home from work, and mom here said, mike's upstairs. you need to go talk to him. so i went up and i said, what's happening? so he told me that he had
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violated a school rule. today he would have been arrested probably for trying to blow up the school. >> this is the story he's going with. it's unbelievable. >> this is the story, a smoke bomb? now look at the life, the career this man has made for himself. >> but i have to defend my son. i think he had just cause for doing it. >> finally. >> just cause for doing it. >> pushing back against the man. i was raging against the machine. i was young. >> and what's changed since then? >> not much. very little. >> let's ask you a question since this is about you after all. so how about this new season of "somebody's gotta do it". >> it's the best season. i don't want to overstate it. it's jam-packed, action-packed, it also satisfies curiosity in a totally nonpretentious way. you can ask my mom. she can confirm it.
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>> can't s he talk? >> i had no idea your brain was so enormous. until i stood next to it. >> the quiz show was fun. we really enjoyed it. >> did you watch it? >> i did watch it. >> you know we didn't -- >> you came in second. >> well, we were in the top three. >> we did come in second. get it up there. >> and i loved your attitude. >> thank you. peggy and john and this guy mike rowe. make sure you watch the new season "somebody's gotta do it" gets going sunday. sunday. >> sunday. >> 10:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. >> the 27th. >> that's right, the 27th. they remember. and what time is it on? >> 10:00. >> we have to continue on. i truly appreciate all of you. thank you very much. >> thank you. and we continue on cnn.
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i'm brooke baldwin. more on the pope's historic trip to the united states. to my colleague chris cuomo. >> reporter: we are at catholic university in washington. this is the only university in the country that was founded by the bishops. it will be the site of a big canonization mass today that is not without controversy. but it be clear, this is a huge day and not just huge in catholic history but u.s. history. the pope bringing washington to a standstill. we're moments away from the pope's first u.s. mass again right here at catholic university, the basilica behind us. the basilica, that word doesn't predict architecture. it's a designation by the church of special importance. that has heightened importance for the mass today. the pontiff is supposed to be here any money minute. we should expect more of this on the way, the waving, kissing babies, the jeep wrangler pope-mobile he's wroo riding
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around in. and as he drives by, it's not just a spectator sport. he is said to be blessing all those that he passes by. that's something special certainly for those members among the 70 million faithful of the catholic denomination, the largest in country. right now, however, the pope is behind closed doors. why? he's taking a rest. in the embassy of sorts for the vatican. he needs a break. it's very hot, not as hot as cuba, but this is a brisk schedule for a 78-year-old man. we saw him walking with a little bit of a limp this morning. it is in fact a limp. the pope has sciatica. not a deadly malady, but it has been acting up since the trip started. he's okay, they tell us. now, 11,000 people packed the white house grounds, the south lawn, and they got to see the pope speaking in english. why would he do that? it's not his native tongue, not a language he practices a lot. but he knew it was important for the american audience to hear him speak in their own language
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so they could understand the words that matter most to him. it wasn't just about coherence. it was the emphasis. his big issue of the day specifically touched on a lot of things, certainly was pointing to what america needs to represent and stand for and challenge itself with certainly more than he did about the cuban regime. but it was the environment that he spoke about by name specifically and most. take a listen. >> americans are committed to building a society which is tolerant and inclusive to safeguarding the rights of individuals and communities and rejecting every form of injustice discrimination. >> reporter: why did he mention global warming most specifically? maybe it's because an area of
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obvious agreement with the president of the united states who of course was the host this morning. what did they talk about in private? that's going to be dribbling out as more and more reporting goes. we'll get you the information sooz we get it. here's what i can tell you. carol costello standing on the sidelines of the pope's motorcade route. you carol are one of the people who got blessed. do you feel different? >> reporter: no, i didn't get blessed. the pope-mobile passed me by. i waved to the pope. he glanced at me and went on his way. >> reporter: no. you were blessed. supposedly he says he was blessing as he goes. >> reporter: oh, then i do feel blessed. thank you for saying that. i feel much better about myself now, chris cuomo. look behind me. is that not a beautiful sight? that is the basilica where the pope will be part of a mass that consists of 25,000 people. hundreds of people are still in line waiting to get on the campus of catholic university. just to get a glimpse of the pope. many of them have tickets to go
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inside that mass because he's going to make someone a saint today. a lot of the people standing in line are from latin american countries. they're from guatemala and ecuador and mexico. and this particular person that the pope will be ed i phiing naimd jane apair row serra is responsible for spreading christianity in california. he's very important to latin americans in the united states and outside of the united states. i want to bring you over and introduce you to some students from catholic university. hi, guys. what's your name? >> my name is luke. >> reporter: you're hoping to catch a glimpse of the pope. >> i am. i'm really excited. >> reporter: are you excite i's here? what does it mean to you? >> it mean as lot. we've been at school for four years this is probably the biggest event our school has hosted. we're excited to being here. >> reporter: does the pope resonate among younger people? >> i think he does. with this pope he has a lot of new views and kind of changing things. i know we're all excited on campus. >> reporter: what is it about him that resonates? >> i think it's the faith in him
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and the ability that he has to bring a lot of people together. especially with us, all of us are really excited to see him. i think -- a lot of people are excited to be in his presence and be able to stand with him. >> reporter: pope francis wants to attract more young people to the church. when the pope talks about things like social justice and climate change, does that resonate? >> absolutely. like my -- we're always talking about in the classroom today we have to look to the future and think about that as well. and the fact that the pope is here at our university it feels great. we're honored to have him here. >> reporter: thank you all very much. i appreciate it. chris, earlier today when the pope was in that parade along constitution avenue, i talked to a lot of young catholics who call themselves lapse catholics who say because of pope francis they may come back to the church. who knows? we'll see what happens after the pope's visit wraps up next week. >> reporter: you know, in
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reading to get ready for the pope's trip, carol -- sorry. as you know, the music is blasting behind us which is beautiful but also loud and distracting for us now. when i was reading in for this, they say u.s. catholics biggest denomination in the country, those who have left the u.s. church would be the second largest denomination if they were an actual group in and of themselves. clearly work to be done in terms of the pope and dealing with the faithful in the united states. of course bringing enthusiasm. if you go to catholic university, you better be psyched about the pope being here today. carol, you do seem to have a little bit of a different light coming off you. i always feel you have a special glow. i'm very lucky. i get to see you every morning. when we give you the show for "newsroom." little different. i think the blessing might have done something. we'll see. we'll see. >> reporter: you know what? i must say that, as the pope-mobile went by, i actually threw away my journalistic ethics and i waved to the pope. and i felt a little ashamed professionally but personally it
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was fantastic. >> reporter: i think it's okay. when you witness history, i think the pope isn't about being catholic or being religious at all. he matters in the world. he matters on different levels. doesn't have to be about faith. i think you're fine i. think you're great, in fact. we'll check back in with you. let us know if you find anything interesting. we'll come back to you right away. >> reporter: thank you very much. >> reporter: only the truth, carol. carol was talking about the man who is being canonized today, made a saint. beat afied by john paul ii and now it will be pope francis that makes junipero serra a saint. not without controversy. we'll be talking about this all day before mass. right now let's bring in david o'connell, bishop of trenton, new jersey, former president of catholic university of america and a man who has just meant the upon pontiff himself as he addressed the u.s. bishops. and we have delia vatican
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spokesperson. let's it start, there will be reactions to everything the pope says. some of it will be positive. some of it will be negative. let's start with the positive. for you, bishop, being able to meet the pontiff, hear from him directly, what did you take from his message today that helps sustain and empower your faith? >> well, of course it was a thrilling opportunity. he spoke. he spoke so beautifully. so pastorally to those who serve as pastors here in the united states. he spoke in an inclusive way. he talked about the importance of encountering christ, dialoguing with one another. he hit all of the major issues. he was able to do it so beautifully and so gently. it was uplifting. >> reporter: how did the room take it, so to speak? forgive me casualness. but in terms of him saying, you've got some work to do here. 70 million, that's good. but you should have a lot more. you've lost a lot of the flock. i have some ideas for you. and he started jotting down different things. what resonated with the room and how much do you think people took it to heart in terms of
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something to act upon? >> i think the room was really very, very happy, ecstatic really. they reacted several times and clapped for the pope in the beginning of his talk. but then they really got very intent in listening to his message. he spoke in italian and many of the bishops don't speak italian so we had to hear through a translator. but it was a beautiful message. he talked to us about prayer. he talked to us about caring for our priests. he talked about immigration and the importance of opening ourselves to people from our countries because that's how this country was built. he spoke in just such beautifu ways and offered us recommendations and encouragement in our ministry as shepherds. he talked to us about being fathers to the people, being aware of doctrine and the importance of doctrine but speaking the truth with love and with mercy. it was a beautiful, beautiful homily that he gave. >> reporter: now, bishop, i want to talk to you about something else that he said that's got a lot of people buzzing and not
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all of it is positive. i want to bring delia in here. one of the important things to watch as a journalist is how the holy father balances his duties or his needs of his own flock of his own clergy with the larger political aims that he obviously has given his comments today and certainly what we saw in cuba over the weekend. what do you know about how that balance is trying to be struck? >> well, in the first instance, when he spoke to the bishops, chris, he went straight to one of the topics which has been so important for the catholic church in the united states in the last 15 years, and that is the topic of clerical sex abuse. and he said in healing we are healed and that he was continuing to support the bishops with their courage, he said, in attempting to heal the victims of these crimes. so it was very important i think for pope francis to come out and to say that publicly, to address the question of the sex abuse
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crisis which has been so important for the catholic church in the united states. and then he went into a whole host of his other issues, drawing them together in what he called the seamless garment of jesus, of the church, that is the garment that jesus wore when he was carrying the cross. and as mentioned in the gospel, the pope went back from the gospel to bring it up to date with all of the modern issues. he started with abortion, with the care for the unborn, and went through immigration with those children who are dying because they are crossing sea in search of a better life, with those children who are dying of hunger with the elderly and so on. so he connected all of the dots, as it were, for all of the main issues that are important to him and that are important for the bishops of this country. and speaking to them as a bishop, he says, i'm the bishop of rome speaking to you as a fellow bishop. that's also very important for this pope, that he feels one with the rest of his brother
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bishops. >> reporter: it will be interesting to watch as the venue change, as the cities change. we know what philadelphia is about, conference on the family. but it will be interesting to see if he prioritizes differently as he goes to each place. we'll be following that. delia, you're our expert. thank you very much. bishop, let me end with you, though. as delia was talking, he did start with something that obviously is very resonant in the united states, the sex abuse scandal. but how he talked about it is going to be the point of controversy for many people. rewarding the bishops or praising the bishops for their courage and telling them to not respond in anger when there is opposition. that's going to be taken by people as not enough, not the courage of the bishops because, with all due we expect, bishop, a point of criticism is there wasn't enough done, it was hidden and there's lawsuits and prosecutions based on that. so when he says the courage of the bishops, how is that a justifiable thing to say, given what we know about the situation? >> well, i think the pope
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addressed this very early on in the talk. and his focus really was on the victims and the wounds that the victims really have to endure. but i think the bishops have made great progress, although in the minds of some people it's never enough and never will be enough. but i think what he's trying to do is encourage the bishops to keep working at addressing this so that, as he said, it never happens again. >> reporter: bishop o'connell, thank you very much. i know it was a very important day for you. and every time the pope speaks people listen, and they're going to talk about it whether they're catholic or not. thank you for your take. delia, as always, we'll be leap leaning on you heavily especially when the mass begins. brooke, catholic university, 1887, a huge history, the only university in the country that was founded by bishops. so a very big day, a saint is going to be made and so is many other different types of history. >> the pope heading toward you. he will be getting into that
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pope-mobile momentarily. chris, thank you so much. coming up next, we'll talk about the evolution of the pope-mobile from the beginning with portable thrones to horse-drawn carriages to this essentially modified version of a jeep wrangler you see on the streets now of washington, d.c. we'll talk about that when our special live coverage continues. the human foot has always been good at...
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i know a lot of you are asking while you've been watching the coverage of pope francis, what is that tiny bulbous looking car being called the pope-mobile? the answer is initially the fiat
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500-l, a little longer, taller than the fiat 500. and here's a fact that may soon change. fiat reports it's the slowest selling model so fiat has to love the attention and jokes and whatnot that has surrounded this car that took the pope from andrus on into washington. the italian automaker tweeted after the poef's arrival, his holiness knows how to make an entrance. so let's talk about this unlikely pope-mobile. i have peter valdez who writes for cnn money and religion commentator father edward beck. so great to have both of you. listen, we've all been watching the pope, whichever car he may be in, is the pope-mobile. but i think it's interesting, peter, just beginning with you because you cover cars. to see him in this fiat, we know he was in a kia in south korea a focus in the vatican. this is not a man rolling around
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in a fancy mercedes for the most part. >> he really has made a symbolic choice in his choice of vehicles. he's going around the world and generally riding around in something that produces locally, part of the local economy, but also fairly modest vehicles. i'm sure a lot of people were surprised not to see him getting into a cadillac or mercedes. >> when you think of a motorcade in washington, d.c., you don't think of a fiat. >> no. you don't think of a little black fiat. ironic ironically, for this pope it was a perfect vehicle. it was fairly modest, efficient, small four cylinder engine but big and roomy on the inside, plenty of room to sit down in back. if i had to pick a car for him, it's actually probably the car i would have picked. >> speaking to his humility. >> obviously this is a symbolic gesture. these car companies are donating these cars so if he wanted a mercedes or a rolls-royce, he would have it. he's choosing to make a symbolic gesture. there are other cars in the motorcade that were bigger than
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his. but how do you preach against unbridled capitalism, how do you say you're on the side of the poor, the person on the fridge, and then ride around in a luxury vehicle? so, no, he's again walking the talk. it's a very important symbolic gesture for him and he's made sure that he has stuck to it even in his mode of transportation. >> i think we're just watching the pope so closely. i'm being told perhaps he's close to jumping in that pope-mobile. so i actually have to leave it here. peter and father edward beck, thank you very much. moments from now the pope expect canonize an 18th century priest, the first on american soil, not coming without controversy. my next guest is among the group fighting this. we'll discuss why. t step to rear retirement goals is to visualize them. then, let the principal help you get there. join us as we celebrate eddie's retirement, and start planning your own.
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no false urgency here. we are about to witness more history. just minutes from now, the first latin american pope will canonize the first spanish american saint. father junipero serra. this is going to happen for the first time on american soil, and it's going to happen at the only national catholic university, here catholic university founded 1887, the only university founded by the bishops. special significance in the catholic church. behind us is the basilica. it doesn't speak to architecture, it talks to significance to the catholic church. this is a high mass. it's very important. it will be a relic of junipero serra, a part of him brought up as part of the mass. pope francis said serra was, quote, one of the founding fathers of the united states, a saintly example of the church's universitity and special patron of the hispanic pex the country. but while the pope believes serra should be called a saint and so did john paul ii who
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started the process by beatifying him. many native americans see serra as something else entirely. 50 different tribes are reportedly fighting serra's canonization. why would they do it? serra was a priest who opened the first spanish missions, nine of them in california, starting in the mid-1700s. the missions converted generations of native americans into catholics but according to the tribes they say in that process there was stripping of culture, there was brutalization of indians, and that was often physical, also emotional, cultural. one of the people making that case is professor deborah miranda. we're going to talk to the professor in a second. but right now we want to take you to the live event here, the pope is coming. he's going to pass right by us. as we were mentioning earlier, i wasn't joking, everyone that the pope passes is blessed by the pontiff because we are all in the shadow of peter because peter was the rock of the church. he was the first head of the church. he was the first pope in esse e essence.
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this is a blessing for all these people. yes, it's catholic university. there will be a celebration with thousands of priests, 3500 going through the seminary and men and women novembices within the chu. but thousands of people here many of them catholics to be blessed by the pope, among the greatest things to happen to them. it's about to happen in just moments.
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>> reporter: where is pope francis right now? he's leaving the embassy for the vatican here. he was resting obviously necessary, 78 years old, huge schedule. big moment on the south lawn this morning. really hot, not as hot as cuba but hot. he's making his way here. he's not far away. when he comes we'll show it to you. let's bring in john allen, our expert for all things pope and vatican related. john, you've written about this pope. you know him well. you were with me tutoring me, mentoring me during the conclave when he was being picked. when he was, you said, this is a man they believe can restore the faith in the church among the faithful. what are we seeing here that proves that point? >> well, chris, just look around. look at the enthusiasm of the people that you see lining the streets to catch a glimpse of pope francis. you mentioned how magical this is and spiritually significant this is for catholics and that's true. but not all those people out there are catholics. there are a lot of other kinds of christians, other religious believers, people with no faith
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at all, who nevertheless see something special in this man. chris, i've said before i think in many ways francis has become the new nelson mandela, that is, the new voice of moral authority on the global stage in a way that is almost apart from rather than because of his office. it's much more because of his personal credibility, the perception that this isn't just a man who preaches humility and simplicity but who backs it up with the choices he makes about how he lives his life. >> reporter: john, thank you very much. indeed people have been talking to us and saying, i'm not catholic, but everything that's going on in the world right now, i want some positive energy, i want to hear a positive message. the pope is relevant regard lgs of your faith. i want to check back in with you when the pope gets here. we'll take a quick break because we are just minutes from this mass that is going to be very big within the catholic church and as a point of history in our country. the first mass that pope francis will give in the united states is just moments away. stay with ufs. can a business have a mind?
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let me quickly set the scene for you. we're at catholic university, the national catholic university here established by the bishops in 1887, the only church that has that distinction. we're waiting for the pope to come here now. there will be a big mass for the canonization of junipero serra. this is going to be a very special deal for catholics and it will be very special for latin americans also. and we're going to be -- i'm listening now to what they're saying behind us. they're actually talking through where the pope is. there's a big screen showing scenes of his trip and his
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actual movements here. so while we're wait forge the pope, let's talk about the controversy that also surrounding this because it's not just about celebrating the pope. it's about following this from the perspective of what matters and both positive and negative. let's bring in debra miranda, talking about her family's experience in the missions created by junipero serra. that was his claim to fame, that he helped establish through missionary work in california. debra, it's clear your efforts aren't stopping this process. what does that mean to you right now? and please make the case for why you don't believe that junipero serra should be made a saint. >> junipero serra was an extremely influential man in california. he did found nine of the 21 missions. my objection and the objection of many california indians is that he is being honored for in fact dishonoring many ofcestanc.
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the missions ended up killing about 90% of the california indians present at the time of missionization, creating all kinds of cultural and emotional baggage that we still carry to this day. it's not a question of attacking the catholic church or attacking pope francis. it's about making sure that the truth is heard and that injustices are not continued on into the 21st century. >> reporter: now, you've obviously made this case before 50 different tribes. there was a coalesce ens in this, the name of this cause. what was the response from the vatican? professor, give it to me quickly because i don't want to cut you off by the pope showing up. >> zbroe. we have gotten zero response from the vatican. not a word. we do not exist, it seems, in pope francis' world. >> what do you think the justification is on their side? why do you think he would have
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been beatified? they must be as aware of history as you. how do they see it that you believe led them to a different conclusion? >> they're interested in his record and in how many people he managed to convert and in the fact that he at this point in time is a famous spanish person when the church really needs some positive pr. so they are purposely overlooking the deaths and the cultural genocide of native american people because it's to their benefit. >> reporter: indeed, the church has in fact apologized for things that happened during the colonization and missionary process as well. it's not as if there's no attention given to the negative aspect of that dynamic. professor deborah miranda, thank you for laying out the case as to why you think that this is controversial today. we'll continue the discussion online if you want. you can get me on twitter and we'll keep this conversation going for people who want that. thank you very much for joining us. right now we're going to take a
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a lot of excitement in the air here at catholic university. the pope is coming. you'll hear the cheers as they show the mothered cade on the big jumbo screen there. 1,000 other priests will be up there at the altar with the pope. why are they here? for the pope's first mass in the united states and an important
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mass at that for catholics, a canonization mass. they're making a saint today. junipero serra who was a missionary in california. he was seen as a father of the country by the catholic church. but it's not free of controversy. we just heard from a professor that says that native americans were abused culturally by serra and others who did this missionary work. let's go to delia gallagher. the professor told us that the native americans had not heard from the vatican in response to this. i know the pope is going to meet with native americans from california to have a small time to talk with them. the vatican spokesman also told us prior to this trip that the pope is aware of the complications of eva vanvangela in the context of colonization. it isn't just in california that this happened.
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of course in the whole era of colonization you had a lot of instances of abuses by the church, and that is why pope francis and indeed john paul ii before him apologized in a public way for the abuses on the part of the church towards indigenous people wherever they were who were evangelized in perhaps not the right way and in a violent way or an abusive way. nonetheless, obviously the pope felt that the good that came out of that, ie, the missions and particularly his emphasis on being a missionary, on going out and evangelizing in a different way today, is of importance and it is important equally that he meet with some of the native american community of california as he is scheduled to do after this canonization. chris? >> reporter: well, the after the fact nature of it delia, he's going to be hoping for a better late than never response from those native americans. and do you think the pope when
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meeting will be ready to make that case to them? is that what their thinking or is this just a notion of paying respect? >> well, i think we know by now that pope francis' style is to go humbly before people to apologize when that is necessary. of course he's not directly responsible for it, but in the name of the church he's publicly apologized for it. and i think that perhaps the meeting with these people is to give them that one-on-one time for the pope to talk to them about what they might be feeling and probably even listen to them more than say anything in particular to them. chris? >> reporter: delia, thank you very much. obviously many things happening within the catholic church not without controversy. but here on the campus of catholic university made by the bishops, the only university in the country that has that distinction, in 1887. so it is a very important place for the catholic church and the
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site of the first mass for pope francis in america. jim sciutto, i'm looking on the big screen there. they're showing the altar right now. but we've seen some of the 1,000 priests who have come celebrating with the pope. we've seen themotorcade. do we know how close he is and what the reaction has been? >> the reaction has been incredible. you have thousands along the parade route, they've been waiting many since this morning to get a glimpse of him. this is really their chance. the trouble, chris, and this is just part of the nature of the security necessary to protect the pope, is the distance he has to keep from the crowd here. and you have to think it's frustrating for him. he revels in that kind of closeness, that kind of connection. we saw that this morning when he really had his closest brush with the crowd when he left the vatican rez durrence before side to the white house. he left the white house waiting because he took extra time.
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when he did the first circle around the white house, in the very managed parade route, he was separated by security vehicles and security personnel from really reaching out and touching and being close to those people. and that's something he's going to have to contend with. now, i was speaking to anderson cooperer a short time ago. he made the point that when he gets to new york the security personnel are prepared for moments where, for instance, people give him gifts. that's a big part of this. he's used to that. people sometimes throw him gifts. they are prepared for that. they don't want to stand in the way of that. but, you know, it's tough. you can imagine for this pope to operate under those kinds of restrictions. so moments like this when he's on the altar with a thousand priests who aren't going to forget this moment certainly saying mass with him you know, any connection like that's going to be probably the highlight of the trip for him. >> all right. we're looking at the pope mobile right here, the jeep wrangler. the pope being americanized by the vehicle he's driving around.
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it's certainly a big day as jim schutto pointed out. catholic university speaks to the name, people in the study of the faith will be here in attendance for pope francis. a very big deal obviously for catholics. and a small point of solace to go to what jim was saying the pope can't engage as much as he would like. if you are brought by faith to be in the presence of pope francis on the street, you are all being blessed as he goes along if you choose to believe in your faith because you are in the shadow of peter. so he doesn't have to stop and bless you specifically. you are being blessed. and that should be some solace for people whose faith brings them here. what brings us here this being the first mass of someone very rielevant in the world regardles what you choose to believe in. there's the motorcade on the screen. there is the pope. pope francis waving as they go by. those people de facto being
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blessed by his passage. here we are awaiting the mass. let's watch for a little bit gets closer and closer see as this audience starts to respond to the proximity. [ cheers and applause ] the pope nears. [ bell ringing ]
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[ cheers and applause ] >> what do you see? what do you hear? >> chris cuomo, you talking to me? >> i am carol costello. >> all right. i'm right across from the basilica. everyone has their iphones up in the air, their ipads. they're waiting for the pope to get close enough so they can snap a picture. of course as you know this outdoor mass is about to take place 25,000 people are waiting to hear the pope speak. they're very, very excited. they don't even care if they actually see the pope in person because as you said it's only important that they're in his presence and that they will be blessed. some of them have been waiting out here since noon. >> you can see him now. we want to welcome our viewers, carol, not just here in the united states but around the world as we simulcast with cnn
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international. the pope is coming. you can see the pope mobile right now. as he comes closer you'll hear the crowd as they can start to see him, not just on the big screen but before their own eyes. [ cheers and applause ] again, to set the scene we are here on the campus of catholic university founded in 1887 by the u.s. bishops, the only university to have that distinction and the site of the first mass in the united states of pope francis. people are running up to meet him. obviously there are fences to keep them back from the pope mobile. but for those here many of whom are catholics, probably most of whom are believers, this is a very big moment.
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papa francisco! papa francisco! [ cheers and applause ] >> the pope just passed us here. you should have seen all the media rushing down, not just for photos but to be in the presence of a man, again who is relevant no matter what your faith or lack thereof. and for the people here on the campus of catholic university what a moment to see the pope. he's just beaming in the pope mobile. such a big smile on his face trying to make eye contact with as many as he can. waving and of course showering a blessing on those who believe.
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how can he do it? well, he is the pope. and for catholics that means if you are in his presence you are in the shadow of peter, the rock of the church, the first pope. so now he is here on the campus of catholic university to say his first mass in the united states and a very special mass, a canonization mass, a saint will be made today. not just any saint, the first latin-american pope will make a hispanic saint here in america huge for the latin community here in the country. huge for the catholics to have an american saint made in the united states. a big day any way you look at it. and there he is. pope francis on american soil. history for him his first trip. this man at this moment and all political and cultural history with this message he's bringing of tolerance and inclusion. the timing couldn't be better for him and for those who are willing to receive that message. let's keep watching and listening in. the pictures tell the story.
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[ bell ringing ] >> welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. this is "the lead." i'm anderson cooper in today for jake tapper. the national lead his holiness takes washington, d.c. by storm. you're looking at live pictures from catholic university with pope francis just made his way through the crowds there riding in the pope mobile, waving to thousands of adoring worshippers. he'll celebrate his first ever mass on american soil in just minutes. we are going to be covering it all for you this afternoon. i want to go right to our chris
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cuomo and rosa flores, they are at catholic university. you can see basilica of the national shrine, the e emaculate -- set the scene for us. >> the symbolism couldn't be greater here, catholic university. the name speaks for itself. 1887 founded by the u.s. bishops, the basilica here of the immaculate conception for the canonization of the saint pope francis first mass in the united states and history on so many levels regardless of your faith. and your timing was perfect, anderson. here's pope francis. he's going to pass right by our station. you're going to see him as close as you can get if you're not here in person. everyone who is here who brings faith is blessed by pope francis by being in the shadow of peter, peter the first pope and now pope francis. pope francisco!
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pope francisco! what a moment for these people here. what a moment for them, anderson. as you know i'm catholic, but whether or not i am catholic, what an amazing day. 3,500 seminaryns. what a restitution of the faith. and he's just beaming, anderson. the smile on his face. the enthusiasm as he greets the crowd. he wants to be here every bit as much as they do. >> chris, let's just listen in to the sounds and watch the sights of pope francis meet this crowd that has been waiting. i was there last night. they have been waiting an awfully long time. let's just listen

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