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a lifetime experience. >> it is and this is something you'll tell your children and grandchildren, and it is. i can say it truly is. a wonderful thing to be part of and i know you're going to and i know you're going to continue our coverage. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. moments ago pope francis left. he is heading back to the vatican diplomatic residence. he travels to philadelphia early in the morning where his weekend will continue a mass for what could be many as 1 million people. his visit ended here, it would already be memorable. today alone, we saw tens of thousands fill new york central park to get their first glimpse of the pontiff as he got the first look in his life at central park. we also watched him do what he seems to love best, sharing moments of his time, as many as he can with children, school kids up in east harlem helped him use their version of the magic wall on top of addressing
united nations, embracing first responders, his speech to congress, the first ever by a pope and so much more. alexandria field joins us outside madison square garden. the pope started mass almost two hours ago, he just passed by where you are, is that correct? >> reporter: that's right. it was truly an extraordinary moment. there are still people out here watching the tail end of the motorcade as the rest of the officers and attending cars clear out of here. we've been out here for hours with people who were just pressed up against these gates on seventh avenue outside madison square guardian. people that did not have tickets to see the mass but knew the pope would be coming through and knew they had the chance toe so a glimpse of pope francis moving through in the fiat. so they lined up here for hours,
people that came from across the country, really around the world and what was so striking to me, anderson, was how quiet this crowd was, how patient they were, how ready they were to just catch this very brief moment and they took it in and what we saw both times when pope francis went into madison square guard and again when he left was a sort of erupt of joy. people just lethal, cheering, shouting, yelling, just truly delighted, an extraordinary experience to be part of and see the delight on people's faces. obviously for catholics, this is such an incredible moment, such a significant and powerful moment to see the holy father perhaps in your very own hometown. for so many new yorkers, just the experience being here in his presence equally extraordinary. i know you experienced it yourself. >> i want to check in with jason carroll on the upper east side.
jason, right now, you're outside the residence. has the pope arrived yet? >> reporter: not yet but in anticipation of the pope's arrival, we just heard from nypd as they have cleared the area and have put it under a security freeze. some of those folks, anderson, that came out wanting to get a glimpse of the pope we're told right here on 72nd street, address of the residence and told they had to be a block in either direction. they moved those people to 71st street in one direction, 73rd street in the other direction. when i was out here one woman said what will happen once he gets inside? the guy next to her said hopefully he'll be able to get some rest, and i think, you know, after this pope is given so much to this city to so many people over, what, the past few days and d.c. before that and cuba before that and tomorrow when he does it all over again in philadelphia, i think the hope is is that tonight he'll
finally be able to come here and get some much-needed rest. >> yeah, i mean, jason, he's got to be exhausted. he's 78 years old for a man half his age, the schedule he's been on has been grueling to say the least. >> reporter: yeah, and think about the schede tomorrow. the flight leaves at 8:45. that especially equipped american airlines flight heading to philadelphia. he'll land somewhere around 9:30 if everything goes on schedule and he's got the mass at 10:30 and after that, after that mass, once again, he's going to be greeting thousands upon thousands of people showing up at independence national historic park tomorrow in philadelphia. so whatever he did here in new york and before that in washington and before that in cuba, he'll be doing tomorrow all over again in philadelphia so it just boggling the mind
when you think this man 78 years old, you can see some activity of some of the emergency vehicles in anticipation of the pope's arrival. >> jason, can you explain where you are in relation to the residence? >> we're about a block away. about a block south of the residence. i know you see bright lights. there is a very heavy police presence here. we're actually blocked off. the reporters are kept in a particular pen. we've been checked by security, by secret service to get into this particular area, so we, even the media are being kept a block south away of the residence but in terms of people that do not live in this area, they are not allowed where we are now, anderson. anyone from the public wanting to come and see the pope are being told they have to stay one block up at 71st, another block in the other direction at 73rd and we're at 72nd. >> jason, while i stay with you
and your picture there because we want to see if we can get a glimpse of the pope as he arrives, i want to bring in father thomas and senior vatican analyst and bruce, author of walking the bible and other best sellers on faith and religion. father, have you been to where the pope -- >> yes, been a guest there and know the house well. >> what can you tell us? >> it's a four or five-story townhouse, if you will. simple house tucked into a number of buildings. no big lawn. the residence of the church of the united nations. >> donated to the chushrch. >> donated to the church. the whole office of the holy sea mission used to be there on the first floor until archbishop martino moved it. >> i understand there is a group of spanish nuns take care of it. >> they are from honduras or guatemala, one of the two.
>> and the pope asked for bananas and water in his room. >> very simple things, yeah. number one pope john paul, ii, no spice, no ice. >> no spice, no ice. >> the only instructions with pablo francisco, only bar nnana and water. >> just an extraordinary outpouring of love from this pope to the people here but also, i mean, the energy of the crowd cheering for him and interacting with him was incredible thing to witness. >> mass fitting for the big apple. cardinal dolan did a marvelous job. i think the lid blew off that madison square garden this evening. absolutely wonderful. everybody questions whether the church is dead in the united states. just watch that again and you'll see that the church is alive. the church is young, the church is ethnic and the church sings.
>> you start to see the convey, entourage, security vehicles starting to arrive from this, we can assume the pope got to the diplomatic residence or is indeed, very, very close, it's a very long motorcade that the pontiff has. police motorcycles, secret service vehicles, it's really larger almost than we've seen for president of the united states. it's an enormous convoy. >> yeah, most of that, anderson is created by the american security presence. >> you wouldn't see that at the vatican. >> no and most of the countries the pope travels to. nobody wants to be the place something bad happens to the pope. you can understand the keeping him safe. my wife and i used the live two blocks away from where we are right now, we're in the timewarner center 60th and
amsterdam and used to go to the garden all the time. we would take in concerts, rangers games, the knicks games. i've heard a lot of loud crowds in that space. i have never heard an ovation like pope francis drew tonight. i mean, you would have thought that the knicks won the nba championship and the rangers won the stanley cup at the statement moment and throw in the mets, why not? absolutely amazing. in addition to what father tom told you how it illustrates the church is alive puts the nail in the coffin to the myth gaining ground that america would be a tough room for this pope. we were talking about it, that anti capitalists rhetoric and the fact his english is not that good and he's never been here before and imagining ways this trip may go off the rails. i think after tonight we can say he's played pretty well here.
>> father, i do think there is something about this pontiff which is beyond language and beyond a particular religion. you talked about that a little bit last night comparing him to a nelson mandela figure but for those not catholic, they sense the humbleness of this man. they sense the honesty and the heart of this man. >> we're in new york city, and this is a town that is used to big personalities as a tabloid culture, there are bright lights but what is so fascinating to me, he is a celebrity and one of the biggest celebrities in the world but most celebrities attract light and attention and absorb it and draw it to themselves. they need it. he is reflecting it back at every single moment and he's been doing it all along. i have to say while watching him today, work his way around new york city, i was reminded of the two things that he did the night he became pope we were watching you that night when he became
pope and i was in rome, what did you think of the pope? everyone says the same thing, first he came out and said good evening. it wasn't a grand gesture, hi, nice night, waiting for me and it's raining. at the end he bows down and says pray for me, which he just echoed. you saw it, as well. he says at the end, he dips this big ovation, thank you, go forth and think of me. go forth and pray for me and john boehner today, you know, on his way out was talking about this moment where the pope, he's standing privately with the pope and boehner tells this story to the press today and the pope says to john boehner, bray f pr me. >> you could see in the pope's face, the joy in his face, maybe in a different way than we had seen any other time this trip. >> you know, we were, of course, covering that live and i was saying at the time i'm convinced
that's the most fun pope francis has had since he arrived in the united states. that was the real man you saw in that moment. i mean, listen, those of us who are journalist, for us the high point of the day is probably the speech to the u.n. because there was a lot of meaty policy stuff to chew on and very important to the pope. a number of very important messages he wanted to get out but if you asked him, okay, what was the highlight of his day, i'm willing to guarantee that he would tell you it was that visit to the school in harlem. you saw it in his body language and his facial expressions, you saw it there at the end, the vintage touches, that business about asking kids to sing him a couple songs and leading him, that wasn't part of the formal ticktock. those were spontaneous gestures that spoke to a pope who loves ordinary people and especially the poor who loves young people,
loves immigrants. i mean, that was pope francis in his comfort zone. >> and we're actually going to talk to three of the kids who were there a little bit later on. we're on for two hours because there is so much to coverage but really looking forward to talking to them and one of the things i know two of the kids did, one of the kids asked the pope to pray for her father who is not well, and also, another of the kids showed a photo of i believe his aunt to the pope who had passed away last year and he blessed the photo ande saw that also at ground szero today where people were showing photos of the loved ones killed on that day. there is a lot to cover. we got to take a quick break in extended live coverage tonight. up next, more about the school visit and kids who will never forget it.
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ rosa flores was there at the school in harlem today. she joins me now. what a visit, incredible. you could see the the joy in his face. >> he really glows when he's around children and when he's around immigrants and refugees because some of the adults in the room were also immigrants and refugees and you can just see he's so genuine with them and so kind and generous. now, i got to tell you a little bit of the back story there. those children had arts and crafts sharing with the pope but two kids actually were showing him how to use a touch screen, anderson, and i talked to the kids and the pope has been quoted before saying that the internet is a gift of god, so these children said we taught the pope how to use a touch screen with the gifts of god so
they had flowers and use their if i think tore move the flower within the screen so i said okay, you got to be honest with me, was the pope good at this? they said no but we helped him. we helped him. >> he also gave homework, right? >> he did, he spoke off the cuff for a little bit. he's an immigrant and talked about being an immigrant child and how difficult it might be for children who are -- but i have a little homework for you. pass to other people and he is very humble about it saying pray for me so i can continue doing the work i'm doing. >> one of the things john allen said, the happiest he believes he's seen the pontiff so far. >> you can tell from his body language. i've seen it in multiple countries as we've been following his visits in south america and cuba. when he's around politicians,
he's more stiff and serious but when he's around children and he's around the poor for example you can see how he's glowing. he always looks at the priests shoes because if they are nice and shiny, they have not been in the neighbaeighborhoods and hel people. >> we'll talk to three of the kids there at the school today. i'm looking forward to that. thank you. those students and so many others here in new york, they had a chance to meet pope francis including this boy whose father was moved to tears when the pontiff stopped to give him a blessing. that encounter brings to mind another one from nearly 40 years ago. in 1979 a little girl at madison square garden got close to john paul, ii. tonight that girl is 42 years old and attended pope francis' mass in the same location.
imagine that. jean spoke with her. >> reporter: the little girl in red, in 1979 she captured the heart of the country and pope john paul, ii during his visit to madison square garden for the youth rally. from that moment on, the life of the 6-year-old jerilyn smith was changed forever. it was a difficult time for the family. a member of the elite division of the nypd that guarded the likes of heads of state and new york's cardinal cook had suddenly died the previous year. >> it was the night before i got a call from a member of the police department that they secured four tickets. >> reporter: that day, she just happened to wear red and white, the colors of poland, the pope's native country. her sister, 16 at the time remembers the energy when they got to madison square garden.
>> electrifying, inspirational. everything about it. they had to try and calm, you know, the crowd down so he could even speak. that's how people were chanting, john paul, john paul, john paul. >> reporter: the the family had seats close to the front, all of a sudden a man came up to jerilyn's mother. >> he asked if she could go down to the railing with him and i was about to say i'm sorry when she had his hand and she went off. >> reporter: now the little girl was very close to pope john paul entering the garden. >> i did see him wave. i had no idea it was towards me, the guard that asked me to come down and stand with him was lifting me over the railing and lifted me up on top of the pope mobile and he had a hold of my lower legs and was kind of rocking to the music with him. it was a light around him. i couldn't take my eyes off of him. his smile was amazing, and his
eyes were the most beautiful thing i had ever seen. >> reporter: she was taken back to her family as the mass began. >> she was memorized and then when the rally was over, a number of people came over, they just wanted to touch her. >> reporter: jerilyn's interaction with the pope strengthen the family whose faith was shaken after her father's death. >> i think we all believe he was there that day and in someway he would always be with us and this moment kind of solidified that for us, and helped us to bond as a family, even without him and for me, personally, this gave me some confidence back that i'm not sure i would have had. if not for this moment. >> reporter: jerilyn received a rosery from the vatican after that day and letters from people around the world. 17 years later in 1995 pope john
paul, ii came back to new york city, the little girl in red now all grown up saw him again. >> guess i learned to appreciate it more. it really did affect my life. >> reporter: in the decades that followed, people continue to remember the little girl in red. gene casarez, cnn new york. >> incredible encounter that changed her life. a real symbol of what this pope stands for, service this morning at the 9/11 memorial totally inclusive. the pope sharing the moment with leaders of other faiths, embracing them for some religious leaders there coming up next. we're live for two hours in central park that just seen a day like no other. (vo) what does the world run on? it runs on optimism. it's what sparks ideas. moves the world forward. invest with those who see the world as unstoppable.
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the deepest, the world trade center sight this morning with representatives of the world's major religions hearing peace and goodwill and offering prayers of his own. >> look on us, people of different faith and religions. >> joining us, two individuals that took part in that moment, a founding trustee of the sea counsel for inner faith relations and currently teaches at the state university of new york in buffalo and also executive director and chaplain for the islamic center of new york in university and father thomas. what was it like for you to be sitting right next to the pontiff during the meeting? >> you know, it was pretty intense. i think the uniqueness of this pope is his impact is felt by many outside of even the
catholic community. for myself as a muslim, aside from the remarkable remarks that he's had in the last day or so highlighting and indicating with compassion what he felt for those who passed away in mecca, overall he's very relatable and to be able to sit with somebody like that able to touch so many hearts and really feel his presence without any qualifications and condition is just amazing experience. >> for you how was it? >> it was incredible. particularly as a follower, more than 5 million people in the world resonates with me his message of love and compassion for everybody of man kind irrespectiveble of faith and standing at that place, 9/11, which is an icon of violence, message of love and compassion was really an incredible thing to be standing by. >> you have an extraordinary
history because you were actually attacked in india during a terrible time when thousands were killed in violence. many people might have turned away from their faith or turned away from other faiths and if anything, that event, i understand, sort of propelled you to understand other religions and learn about other religions. >> yeah, i think it prepare me to understand other religions and give me realization that it's only love and compassion that can conquer over hate and violence. nothing else can. you can't conquer hate and violence with anything else but love and compassion. this pope's message resonates with me because that's what all religions stand for and that's what today's service said to me that if we stand together, we can make a headway in this direction. >> to have the pope reaching out in such an important place in the hearts of not only many americans but many people around
the world who lost loved ones there because truly was an international event, people from all around the world were killed there, to see him sitting on that stage with leaders from other faiths, what did it mean to you? >> anderson, i've been to inter religious services to have our leader, the pope, bishop of rome, world leader presiding at this prayer service each person there praying to the god of their understanding but asking for peace. it's a place of horror that place and pope francis reminded us it's also a place of hope. i think part of the beauty of the service, the very gentleness of his voice, the connection that he had with each of you and other people sitting in the platform and what really got me and i can say brought me to tears and many people to tears, when the young people came out at the end and started singing
that song in a place where the distortion of religion brought down horror we saw together religious people, people seeking god coming together and praying for peace and the flowing water, the pope referred to that in the homi homily, the gentleness of the water and ability to turn that place into a place of hope and a pledge to be sure that that never happens again was a very, very moving experience. >> i'm just amazed at the stamina of this man. he's 78 years old and i keep bringing that up. i've been following for a couple days and i'm exhausted and i don't know how he has the energy to do all of this because he's at the epicenter of this. he's absorbing all these people oes ho 's hopes and dreams and attention. does it surprise you? >> i mean, it's remarkable he feeds off of, i think, a very unique source of strength which is selflessness and to sit in
his presence and feel that i hope that people understand the importance of the moment and not let the moment itself be an ends but means to a bigger ends where they feed off his presence and the selflessness that he has emanating and start to create similar moments in the day to day life where they open up their homes to diverse gatherings and break out of their comfort zone and talk to people who they can fully get away with never talking to. they break away from the prevailing antagonistic narratives that have permeated our societies and they start -- >> these days, so much division and polarization and so much, you know, suspicion and mistrust of people of other faiths. >> people of other faiths and lifestyle. it's easy to segment based off race, ethnicity, social glass, religion, sexual orientation, any reason to say why we would
be separate from each other we jump on that and what he shows us is he can be himself uniquely and i can be myself uniquely but we can celebrate diversity and find shared commonality in values to work towards something much bigger than who we are as individuals. >> father, i think that's something that this pope has shown time and time again even if not somebody he would agree with even if it's somebody who, i mean, i saw mo rocca is a friend of mine and openly gay and included in on this, in this incredible event in the most public of ways. >> pope francis has one goal to seek the the great common human heart of every human being. there are differences. there are distinctions. there are choices that people make but francis takes us above that. his famous question he asked who am i to judge which was very upsetting for some people but in
the proper context, he said who am i to judge a person genuinely seeking god, not only applying to sexual orientation but any person seeking god through a different pass. if that person is honestly seeking god, that person is a person of peace and pope francis is a christian, he's a catholic, he loves jesus christ but knows god has many, many ways of bringing people to himself and telling us be careful of extremism. be careful of overly identifying yourself as if no one else exists and fitting this happens because in a couple months we'll celebrate the 50th anniversary of the famous document that the second vatican counsel of recognizing other religions, particularly islam and seeds of goodness and truth are found and we must work together and francis is showing us how to do that with much simplicity and much conviction.
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to the united states. he arrives tomorrow at 9:30. the stage is set for tomorrow's evening prayer for the pfestiva of families, the pope will drive and go first to the basilica to celebrate mass with bishops and priests of the philadelphia area and gets in the pope mobile and stops to the liberty bell and there the pope will give a talk on religious freedom to immigrants and hispanic community. that's a major theme of the entire trip for pope francis and of course, then he will continue on tomorrow night for the big p festival of families and close the big u.s. trip of sunday afternoon's mass, again, behind me here on the stage they have been preparing all day, excitement is really building here in philadelphia. we saw a great send off in new
york but a certain sense, the party has yet to begin here in philadelphia. >> it's true, over a million people may be expected to attend this outdoor mass in the world meeting of families on sunday. >> upwards of 1 million. the parkway can hold up to 2 million. we'll see how many can actually get here, anderson, the security is very, very tight. the mayor said before the event is started, people should be prepared to walk miles because there is no transportation once you get to the downtown haarea. shops are open. people have already walked miles, anderson, but the security is very, very tight here perhaps tighter than what we saw in new york just because of the distances and because he's here for two full days and a lot of people expected. anderson? >> that's saying a lot. thanks. more on that security, it's been with him all the way on the visit. we're joined by two experts,
andres former swiss guard and former secret service agent dan. andrus, good to have you on the program again. when we talked in washington, you talked about the vatican security sp security perspective but allowing him to continue his ministry. what do you make of the pope security here in new york? last night jim sciutto reported rumblings perhaps it was too excessive. >> you're right, anderson. security is certainly very strong but you have to understand also that the security in the country when the peep visits is up to the local security authorities and so i sort of understand that america is saying look, nothing is going to happen on our territory to one of the most beloved figures now. i understand, i do think it's very strong and if you look around, he's seeing much fewer,
kissing fewer babies, talking to fewer people than what he would in other visits especially in the vatican but i also understand why that is and on top of that, i think we should point out that he has siatika. >> in brazil people were able to rush his vehicles and became kind of a scary situation or potentially scary situation. what do you make of the robust security here? >> i think it's perfectly appropriate, anderson. there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there is someone in these crowds that definitively wants to either hurt or god forbid kill the pope. no doubt in my mind. the only thing stopping that person, anderson, is the security. i know that he likes to mix and mingle a little bit but we're used to that with the president
and used to giving the appearance of an accessible president. we can do it with the pope, as well. i think the security is appropriate. >> andres, for this pontiff, i mean, i hate to talk about him in terms of security but in the eyes of many, he's not just a religious figure, there is -- he could be seen as a political figure so for somebody that wants to god forbid make their name known around the world and make a statement, i mean, he clearly is what they would consider a high-valued target. >> yes, but that is something that's the reality in the vatican and any other country he visits and that quite frankly is something that comes along with being the pope but i wouldn't want to do too much of a changing of the the pope's behavior based on a very few minority of people, very few people really who want to distract from that. >> yeah, dan, when you consider
just how many, i mean, to your point of the potential security risk, to even see him in the pope mobile which is open the sides, that's got to be worrying from a security stand point. >> it's terrifying. i mean, anderson, this is the secret service's super bowl right now. think of this as a security ring system. out earring, middle ring and inner ring. that inner ring is usually an armored vehicle or in the case of the pope, what we had in the past was the pope mobile. you don't have that now. what you have is an inner ring composed strictly of vatican security force and secret service. if god forbid a firearm get in there and round gets loose, the only thing between that bullet and the pope are security agents and that has to be terrifying. they are used to armored cars. >> that inner ring we've seen around the pope is largely vatican security which obviously
as andrus pointed out have a long history of how to protect this man. appreciate you being with us, dan, as well there is breaking news to tell you about in the world of politics. donald trump fired up tonight in oklahoma city campaigning at the state fair in full attack mode. we'll get the latest from our reporter on the ground. (wind noise) (road noise) what's happening here... is not normal, it's extraordinary.
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the state fair and definitely in a feisty mode. m. m.j. lee joins us. he continued to talk about crowd size which is an obvious reference to an under attended event, two that day, one well-attended and an event he later incorrectly accused cnn of misreporting the number of attendees at. what did he say tonight? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. trump is sensitive to the crowd size and we saw him get worked up over the last week when various media outlets including cnn reported there seemed to be some empty seats at a campaign event at south carolina earlier in the week. tonight he talked to a rowdy crowd in the oklahoma state fair and referred to the press as terrible people and talked about this issue again. listen to what he said. >> they will say tomorrow mr.
trump drew a nice crowd of six or 700 people. how many people do we have here? 20, 18? something. they will say we had 1,000 people. they really do distort and they are terrible people, not all of them, but many of them and i have to say this, i have to say this, it's sort of doesn't matter because the one thing i found, look at that. look where this crowd goes to. cameras, do us a favor and instead of just panning on me and won't say -- do me a favor. take the cameras off me and pan the crowd. okay? go ahead, pan the crowd. pan it. and be honest. be honest. go ahead, pan it. you're not panning it. they don't want to pan it. they don't want to pan it. turn those cameras, no, no, turn
them all the way back. no, no, turn them all the way back there. come on. >> you can see, anderson, trump clearly still bothered by this two days later and we can report there was a sizable crowd in front of and behind the press risers. >> did he talk about any specific policies that he hasn'? he hasn't given specifics. did he mostly focus on this stuff? >> reporter: a pretty boiler plate speech but he seemed incredibly energized after the cnn debate there is observations he seems to be a little lacking in energy, not really his typical self but seems to be really going after the press and his rivals. >> all right. m.j. lee, appreciate it. more politics and more on pope francis.
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good evening. 9:00 p.m. in new york. we're in central park whe today tens of thousands of people lined the streets, filled the pathways for just a glimpse of pope francis. he's back at the vatican diplomatic residence across town behind tight security. he travels to mile philadelphia tomorrow where among notable items, a mass for 1 million people. he hope he's getting sleep tonight. he certainly had quite a day. take a look. >> pope francis will now enter the general assembly hall. [ applause ]