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marine helicopter. it would be the same one that would be called marine one if president ob ama was on it. thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. we'll be back in one hour with more of cnn special coverage of the pope's final day of his trip to america. i'm jake tapper in philadelphia. this is gps. welcome to all of you this the united states and around the world. today, the 42nd president of the united states, bill clinton. i'll ask him about the race to
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be the 45th president of the united states in the 2016 elections. he's watching that carefully. >> the other party doesn't want to run against her and if they do they'd like her as mangled up as possible. also the nuclear deal with iran. did iran take the west to the cleaners or did the world get a good deal? >> the nuclear agreement is on balance the right thing to do. >> then it's said that bill clinton was born to be a politician, but now he's found his second calling. from hunger to illness and global warming. i'll ask him what works and what doesn't. >> i basically think there's more good news than bad news. it's just that the bad news captures the headlines. first, here is my take.
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i'm not a christian but growing up in india i was immersed in the religion. i was attended catholic and religious schools from ages 5 to 18. we would sing hymns and recite prayers. it's central message is simple and powerful. be nice to the poor. when i came to the united states in the 1980s, i remember being surprised to see what christian values had come to mean in american culture and politics. heated debated over abortion, abstinence, contraception and gays. i didn't recall seeing much about these topics reading the bible. that's because there's very little in there. many of the most prominent and
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contested stance taken by catholic authority have nothing to do with the gospel. the church's positions on these matters were arrived at through interpretations of quote, natural law which is not based on anything in the bible. he points out because the grounds looked weak conservative clergy sought to bolster their views with biblical sanction. contraception was condemned through a pretty torturous interpretation of a couple of lines in genesis that state onan spilled his seed on the ground. the ban of women in the catholic clergy is a similar stretch. neither did he ordain any men.
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there are no priests other than the jewish ones in the four gospels. they neither called themselves priests nor called priests by others. he even takes on abortion. opposition to which some catholics have taken as fundamental to their faith. quote, this is hard. the matter is nowhere mentioned in the old testament or new testament or the early creeds. in fact, the ban is based on a complex extrapolation from vague language in one biblical verse. if you want to understand the main message of jesus christ you don't have to search the scriptures. he says it again and again. blessed be poor for yours is the kingdom of god. jesus has specific advice on how to handle the poor. treat them as you would christ himself. sell your possessions and give to the poor.
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when you hold a banquet do not invite the wealthy and powerful because you do so in the hope they will return the favor and reward you. instead invite the dispossessed and you will be rewarded by god. we believe that people who are successful are more admiral in some ways than the rest of us. in the kingdom of heaven the bible warns the last shall be first and the first last. in other words, be thankful for your success but don't think it makes you superior in any deep sense. he's been attacked of claimed as a marxist, unionist or radical environmentalist. he's simply reminding each of us that we have a moral obligation to be kind and generous to the poor and disadvantaged especially if we've been fortunate. if you have a problem with this
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message, you have a problem not with pope francis really but with jesus christ. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week. let's get started. earlier this week i had the opportunity to interview president bill clinton at the offices of the foundation he started after leaving the presidency in 2001. the clinton foundation's big vent of the year, the clinton global initiative kicks off this weekend in new york. we'll get to its work in a moment but before we do i wanted to talk about something we have to get president clinton's views on, politics, of course. president clinton, thank you so much for joining us. >> glad to do it. >> there will be a new president in 2017, january.
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you're the most skilled student of american politics. why do you think hillary clinton is having a tougher time than many imagined. the lead in the national polls has narrowed. iowa and new hampshire seem tough. >> i think you know why. i think you know why. 1992. i received a call in '91 before i started running from president from the bush white house. he said we've looked at the field. you're the only one that can win. the press has to have someone every election. we're going to give them you. you better not run. all of a sudden something nobody thought was an issue, white water that never turned out to be an issue winds up being a $70 million investigation and all the hammering happened and you ask voters do you really believe this amount to anything? no. do you trust him as much?
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no. there must be something. this is just something that has been a regular feature of all our presidential campaigns except in 2008 for yunique reasons. ever since watergate something like this happens. i'd rather happen now than later. it was always going to happen. the other party doesn't want to run against her. if they do, they'd like her as mangled up as possible. they know if they leak things, say things that that is catniped to the people who get bored talking about what your position on student loan relief or dealing with shortage of mental health care or what to do with the epidemic of prescription drugs and heroin out in america even in small towns in rural america. how will you get jobs in the cold country given how much
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they've lost in the last 20 years. that just happens. it always happens. we're seeing history repeat itself. i actually am amazed that she's born up under it as well as she has. i have never seen so much expended on so little. the difference is now when it happened before nobody knew anything about land in arkansas so i didn't have many defenders. there's been a shocking number of really reputable press people who have explained how you can't receive or transmit classified information, how the government has no central authority for classification that defense, state and the intelligence agencies have their own. it's been a lot of really fine things. it's just that they don't seem to show up on television very
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hut much, and it is what it is. she went out and did her interview and said she was sorry using her personal e-mail called this confusion and she'd like to give the election back to the american people. i trust the people. i think it will be all right, but it's obvious what happened. at the beginning of the year she was the most admired person in public life and she earned it. why? because she was being covered by people who reported on what she was doing. the new star treaty, the iran sanctions, tripling the number of people on aids getting medicine for no more tax money. when she left office our approval rating was more than 20 points higher than it had previously been. what happened? the presidential campaign happened. nature of the coverage shifted from issue based to political. it happened. you can't complain. this is a contact sport. they're not giving the job away.
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people who want to race wanted her to drop some. people in the other party desperately wanted it because she's already put out more positions on more issues and said how she would pay for them, i think, on all the others combined based on the two debates i saw. >> you think it's a republican plot, really? >> no, i'm not going there. it's not a plot. makes it sound like it's secret. no. i think that there are lots of people who wanted there to be a race for different reasons. they thought the only way to make it a race was a full scale frontal assault on her. this e-mail thing became the biggest story in the world. suppose there were no
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presidential campaign and you didn't know any names. the state department said for anybody who used personal device in the era of interoffice e-mail, would you please look and see if you have any e-mails that may not have been captured by the system. that is if you send one to somebody else that's already in there. one person replied. that person said about 5% of mine weren't. here they are. i heard you had some record problems so here's the rest of them too. then the state department said you gave us 1200 too many. then the person said i'd like to be the first secretary of state in history to have you make public interoffice e-mails. i want people to see what we do at the state department. have at it. then they said, well, these are our documents. we have to make sure nobody will
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be embarrassed. then everybody else said we want to look and see if we would have classified them. all this is a fight that goes on every day in government. it's just that the american people never saw it before because no secretary of state said do that. then said, by the way, i'll testify before this eighth bengahzi hearing. the other seven all led by republicans concluded she's done nothing wrong. this has never happened in the history of our republic before. an eighth committee. she said i want to do it in public. they finally agreed to that. all the other people said can we please testify in public. we'd like the american people to know. they said no. they said would you please release our testimony. they said no.
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we'd rather like to leak out selective things. the only person that asked for them to be made public. i'm very proud of her. i'm fine about it. i'm glad it happened this year. >> next, president bill clinton on the donald trump phenomenon. could the donald really be the gop nominee?
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wow. amazing. thank you. wow. >> again, as a great student of american politics, what explains donald trump? >> well, first of all, he's a master brander. when you have a lot of people running and people are trying to make distinctions being able to put a personal stamp on it so people identify with who you are accounts for something certainly in the beginning. i think that -- then he said to the working class supporters of the republican party that have largely shifted over for cultural reasons. i'll give you economic reason to vote for me. i'll build a wall around the
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southern border of america and stop buying chinese imports. your incomes will go up. now that all will have to be plush flushed out in the course of time. i'm sure the other future debates will do it. it's got a lot of pizazz and zip. he's branded himself in a clear why, and he's generated some excitement. it remains to be seen what's going to happen. it's an unusual election. there doesn't seem to be much interest yet on their side. i think there is on our side. both hillary and senator sanders have laid out pretty detailed, positive policy positions. talk about what they could cost and, you know, you can have a debate there where you can discuss the relative merits of their positions on health care or generating jobs or lifting
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incomes or whatever. over there, it seems to be more about resentiments and one liners. i don't know. it's interesting. >> could trump be the nominee? >> i think so. >> wow. >> how do i know? i don't understand any of it very well. i've been out of politics a long time. i haven't run for office in 20 years. also, i'm not mad at anybody. i'm a grandfather. i love my foundation. i'm proud of hillary. i'll do what i can to help her. i'm not the best pundit anymore. i don't have a good feel for this. all i know is what i think is good for the country. i think the country needs somebody who can give us broadly shared prosperity, help families and kids. try to reduce the impact of all this huge anonymous money in our
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political system, and in a world full of challenges keep big, bad things from happening and make as many good things happening. that's how i would define the job of next president. that's how i think. i think hillary would be great president. i have no confidence in my political field anymore. i've been out of it a long time. i'm not mad at anybody. i'm just happy to be here. >> when we come back, i ask president clinton what his thoughts are on the nuclear deal with iran. will it make the world safer or more dangerous? plap
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. the middle east. president clinton came closer than any other president has come to finding peace there. what does he think of president obama's managing of the u.s.-israeli relationship? i asked him. >> there are a will the of people who are very fierce supporters of israel both in israel and the united states who think president obama has not been sufficiently supportive of
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israel and there are unnecessary tensions that have been created between israel and the united states. what is your view? >> well, he's maintained their qualitative military superiority. there's been some very public squabbles not all of which are his fault. mr. netanyahu's trip to the congress was rather unprecedented. >> and unwise? >> well, you can ask him that. here's what i think. i think most important thing is we'll have a new president in january of 1917. i mean 2017. i believe the nuclear agreement with iran is on balance the
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right thing to do because i don't believe that an iranian nuclear capacity now would be just iran. i think there would be one to four other states that would get nuclear power in the middle east. i think you'd have race on by all these various non-state actors and it could billie a nightmare. i also think ten years is a very long time. a lot of people say ten years from now they'll do what they're doing now. in 1979, if somebody told you that the berlin wall would fall and the soviet union would come to an end in ten years, nobody would have believed that. a lot can happen in ten years. furth furthermore, even with the sanctions on the iranians kept supporting their conventional military build up and the capacity of hezbollah.
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it's very important to be tough in enforcing it. the snap back provisions of the sanctions is really important the united states work clearly, aggressively to keep all the countries on board with the snap back. >> ukraine. you've studied it carefully. do you think putin will finally blink? there's a lot of pressure. do you think he's looking for way out? >> yes and no. i was very disturbed when he tore up the agreement i signed with his predecessor promising to respect ukraine easte's terr. he said it was an agreement, not a treaty. he said he will always honor the new star treaty which was
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negotiated when hillary was secretary of state and the president's first term which makes the world safer place at a time when very few things do. that's good. my guess is he's keeping his options open. i know the president is meeting with him during u.n. week. i personally think that's a very good thing. i don't think you ever ought to stop talking to work this out. i don't know yet. i think the u.s. ought to be four square on the side of ukraine and it's not just attaboy and not just military support although i feel we should give an appropriate level. i think we have to get everybody involved in helping them to make the changes necessary to grow their economy more. it's a very resource rich country. they can do a lot with agriculture. they can do a lot with other things. if we can get them the energy they need, they can be somewhat
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freed up from the monopolistic position that gave the russians the position to put the squeeze on them. >> what is the solution to the syrian war? i'll ask president bill clinton when we come back.
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the syrian civil war isn't going to end any time soon. what will happen? >> well, first, even and if there's a silver lining isis has a model of how they want the world to work and how they want the middle east to work. they want to redraw the boundaries set after world war
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i. > i will speak in spanish not english. i'll be translating. thank you for welcoming me and giving me the chance to be here with you to share this moment in your lives. it's a difficult moment. a time fraught with challenges. i know this moment is painful for you but i also know that it's painful for your families and for all society. because if a society or a family cannot feel the pain of the
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children, it cannot take their pain seriously. if the pain becomes normal or expected then that society imprisons itself. it's condemned to imprison itself and fall prey to its own suffering. i stand among you a pastor, a shepherd but above all your brother to share in your plight and make it my own. i am here that we may join in prayer and bring before our god everything that causes us pain. to also bring everything that gives us hope so that we may receive from him of the
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resurrection. >> thank you for receiving me to be here with you and share this time in your lives. it's a difficult time. one full of struggles. i know it's painful time not only for you but also for your families and for all of society. any society, any family which cannot share or take seriously the pain of its children and views that pain as something normal or to be expected is a society condemned to remain a hostage to itself. pray to the very things that cause that pain. i am here as a pastor but above all as a brother to share your situation and make it my own. i have come so that we can pray together and offer our god everything that causes us pain but also everything that gives us hope so that we can receive from him the power of the resurrection.
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>> translator: i am remind eed the gospel when jesus washes the feet of his disciples at the last supper. they were puzzled by this. peter even refused and he said you shall never wash my feet. >> i think of the gospel scene where jesus washes the feet of his disciples at last supper. even peter refused and told him you will never wash my feet. >> translator: back then when you went to visit someone the host would wash your feet. people were traditionally welcomed this way because the roads were not paved. they were covered in dust with
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pebbles that would get stuck in your sandals. after walking on these roads every one's feet were caked in dust, bruised or cut from the stones. so there was jesus washing feet, our feet. his disciples feet. >> in those days it was the custom to wash someone's feet when they came to your home. that was how they welcomed people. the roads were not paved. they were covered with dust and little stones would get stuck in your sandals. every one walked those roads which left their feet dusty, bruised or cut from those stones. that is why we see jesus washing feet, our feet, the feet of his disciples then and now.
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>> translator: we all know that to live is to walk along different roads and paths, and that they all leave a mark on us. >> life is a journey along different roads, different paths which leave them mark on us. we know in faith that jesus seeks us out. we know he wants to dress our wounds and soothe our feet which are sore from the long journey under the burden of loneliness. we know he wants to wash us clean from the dust that we've gathered along the way. jesus does not ask us where we've been. he doesn't ask us what we've
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done. instead he says unto us unless i wash your feet you have no share with me. i will not be able to give you the life the father dreamed for you, the life you were created for. jesus comes to us to prepare our feet to walk in dignity as children of god once again. he wants to help us get our stride again and get back on the roads and find our hope, to restore our faith and our trust. he wants us back on the roads, back to life. he wants us to realize that we have a mission and that being
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confined during this time is not the same, will never be the same as being cast out. >> we know in faith that jesus seeks us out. he wants to heal our wounds, soothe our feet which hurt from traveling alone. to wash each of us clean of the dust from our journey. he doesn't ask us where we have been. he doesn't question us what about we've done about what we've done. rather he tells us unless i wash your feet, you have no share with me. unless i wash your feet, i will not be able to give you the life which the father always dreamed of. the life for which he created you. jesus comes to us to restore our dignity of god. he wants to help us set out again to resume our journey, to recover our hope, to restore our faith and trust.
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he wants us to keep walking along the paths of life to realize that we have a mission and that confinement is not the same thing as exclusion. >> life means getting our feet dirty in the dust filled roads of life and of history. all of us need to be cleansed, to be washed and i am the first. all of us are being sought out by the teacher who wants to help resume our journey. the lord goes searching for us all to give us his hand.
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receive prison systems which are not concerned to care for wounds, to soothe pain, to offer new possibilities. it is painful when we see people who think that only some others need to be cleansed, purified and do not recognize the pain and wounds are also the we weariness, pain and wounds of society as a whole. the lord tells us this clearly with a sign. he washes our feet so we can come back to the table. the table from which he wishes no one to be excluded. the table which has been prepared for all of us and to which all of us are invited. >> life means getting our feet
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dirty from the dust filled roads of life and history. all of us need to be cleansed, to be washed. all of us and me in first place. all of us are being sought out by the teacher who wants to help us resume our journey. the lord goes in search of us to all of us he stretches out a helping hand. it's painful when we see prison systems that are not concerned to care for wounds, to tooth pain and offer new possibilities. it's painful when we see people who think that only others need to be cleansed, purified and do not realize that their weariness, pain and wounds are those of society. the lord tells us this clearly with a sign. he washes our feet so that we come back to the table. the table from which he wishes
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no one to be excluded. the table which is spread for all and to which all of us are invited. >> this time in your life can have but one purpose to give you a helping hand to get back on the right path. to get you a hand to help you rejoin society. all of us are part of that effort. all of us are invited to encourage, help and enable your rehabilitation. the rehabilitation which everyone seeks and desires. inmates and their families, correctional authorities, social and educational programs. the rehabilitation which
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benefits and elevates the morale of the entire community and of society as a whole. >> this time in your life can only have one purpose to give you a hand in getting back on the right road, to give you a hand to help you rejoin society. all of us a part of that effort. all of us are invited to encourage, help and enable your rehabilitation. a rehabilitation which everyone seeks and desires. inmates and their families, correctional authorities, social and educational programs. a rehabilitation which benefits and elevates the morale of the entire community and society. >> i would like to encourage you to have this attitude among you and with all other people who are part of this institution.
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forge opportunities for one another. forge paths, forge new roadways. >> i encourage you to have this attitude with one another and with all those who in any way a part of this institution. may you make possible new opportunities, new journeys, new paths. >> all of us have something we need to be cleansed of or purified from, all of us. may the knowledge of that fact inspire us to live in solidarity seek the best for all of us. >> all of us have something we need to be cleansed of or purified from, all of us. may the knowledge of that fact inspire us to live in solidarity, to support one
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another and seek the best for others. >> let us look to jesus who washes our feet. he is the way, the truth and the light. he comes to save us from the lie that says that no one can change. the lie that says that no one can change. he helps us to journey along the paths of life and fulfillment. may the power of his love and his resurrection always be a path leading you to a new life. >> let us look to jesus who washes our feet. he is the way, and the truth and the life. he comes to save us from the lie that says no one can change. from the lie that says no one can change.
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>> and as we are seated now in silence, we ask the lord to bless us. may god bless you and protect you. make his face shine upon you. may he grant you peace. thank you. [ applause ] >> i'm jake tapper live from philadelphia. we heard pope francis speaking to roughly 95 inmates. the largest prison in the philadelphia prison system. now we're told he'll meet with
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some of philadelphia's toughest criminals inside this prison. he'll take to them his message of hope and as he just said, rehabilitation. pope francis has visited many prisons after going to one in argentina, his home country. he told a newspaper there he asked why did god allow that. shouldn't be here. he will meet with more than 100 inmates and their families of all religions, we're told, among the inmates are those who are awaiting trial as well as those who have been convicted of crimes ranging from light drug offenses to murder, in some cases. watching with me here in philadelphia, cnn vatican correspondent as well as c nrks nrn political commentator. what did you make of this? >> it's very powerful. i think this pope has done something. i think we may be down playing this a little bit.
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you have people who are atheists, not christians at all who are being moved by the example of this man. the rejected and the despised. the people who are addicted and convicted. most powerful people don't want anything to do with them. they might talk about them but don't talk to them. you have a pope going inside a u.s. prison and saying you can be redeemed. nobody can be thrown away. his climate message around, we don't have a throw away planet and you don't have throw away people are two parts of the same message. it's resonating far beyond catholics on this morning. >> how often does this pope visit with prisoners when he travels the world? >> always. always. it's one of the things in catholocism that they call a work of mercy. in fact, every pope visits prisoners but pope francis has a
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special way of touching their heart. he said something interesting today which is that it's the job of society to accompany prisoners in rehabilitation because this is the pope who doesn't believe in the death penalty. this is a pope who believes in the capacity for people to change and be rehabilitated. his emphasis was on the fact you can change and you cannot only change on the spiritual level and be forgiven but you can change in the practical level and be rehabilitated. >> i think it's really powerful that the pope has gone into a prison, president obama went into a prison and then you have both sides of the political aisle now saying we've got to do better with regards to criminal justice reform. i think the pope is really adding to a momentum in our society to reevaluate. he's gone into many prisons but only in the united states do we have 25% of the world's
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prisoners. we're only 5% of the world's population. one out of every four people locked up in the world are locked up here. it's powerful to visit a u.s. prison in the context of a growing bipartisan concern about the growing situation. >> let's take a quick break. we're watching pope francis meeting with prisoners. we'll take one quick break. we'll be right back. technology empowers us to achieve more. it pushes us to go further. special olympics has almost five million athletes in 170 countries. the microsoft cloud allows us to immediately be able to access information, wherever we are. information for an athlete's medical care, or information to track their personal best. with microsoft cloud, we save millions of man hours, and that's time that we can invest in our athletes and changing the world. [ male announcer ] he doesn't need your help. until he does.
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welcome back to cnn state of the union. we're watching the pope. he spoke to the prisoners and their family members assembled there. he was sitting in a chair made by the inmates especially for this visit. wondering why he would go to this prison, why he goes to prisons when he visits countries in general, i am reminded to
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look at matthew chapter 25 verses 24 to 36. i was hungry, you gave me something to eat. i was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. i was in prison and you came to visit me. there are victims rights groups who are not always enamorred when a pope visits prisoners, visits those who have done wrong. >> there's a political question about justice and accountability and in a political sense that is important. justice is important.

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