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american prisons. so they must be freed. if the americans take appropriate steps and set them free, certainly the violent right environment will be open and circumstances will be create ed for us to do everything within our power and our preview to bring about the swiftist freedom for americans held in ir iran. >> clearly, he wants a prisoner swap. that's it for me. thank you for watching. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern "the situation room." the news continues next on cnn. wolf, thank you so much. great to be with you on this monday. i'm brooke baldwin. this is cnn. we start with that tense showdown happening right now with two of the world's most powerful leaders, president obama preparing to meet with russian president vladimir putin face to face. this hasn't happened in more
than two years. it's happening at the united nations general assembly. to say these two leaders have had icy relations is honestly putting it gently. the tension has just escalated with russia announcing this new intelligence sharing agreement with iraq, iran and syria. here was vladimir putin speaking last night on "60 minutes." >> translator: we support the legitimate government of syria and it's my deep belief that any actions to the contrary in order to destroy the legitimate government will create a situation which you can witness now in the other countries of the region or in other regions. . >> when president obama took to the podium this morning, he didn't mince words. here's what he had to say about russia propping up bashar al assad. >> we should support tyrants like bashar al assad because the alternative is surely worse
according to them. the united states is prepared to work with any nation, including russia and iran, to resolve the confli conflict. but we must recognize there cannot be after so much bloodshed, so much carnage. >> we know that after president obama spoke, vladimir putin then took to the same podium. how did he respond? >> brooke, they sounded like unlikely partners for peace on the ground in syria. diametrically opposed of the situation coming from that podium. president obama calling bashar al assad a tyrant responsible for the slaughter of tens of thousands of his own people. vladimir putin calls assad the only legitimate government who is valiantly fighting terrorism.
here's a listen to what president putin had to say today. >> i think it's a mistake to refuse to cooperate with the syrian government and armed forces. we should acknowledge that no one but president assad's armed forces are truly fighting the islamic state and other terrorist organizations in syria. efforts to address the problems that all of us are facing and create a jen coalition against terrorism, similar to the coalition it could unite a broad range of forces that are resi resisting those who are so evil and hatred of human kind. >> it's in those final words that u.s. officials see at least the possibility of an opening
with russia, a shared fight against isis. the fact is ooisist is a shared adversary. russia has more of its own people going there to join the fight. they have a problem with terrorism inside russia's borders as well. that's where they have a shared goal. the question is that enough for them to move forward considering they have different views of bashar al assad. that said president obama did talk about a managed transition away from assad. that's different than what he was calling for. that leaves open the possibility of some transition period where he's allowed to stay for awhile. the fact is the u.s. sees that removing him immediately could make the situation worse on the ground. >> the language has evolved. thank you very much. i'm seeing my next guest nodding.
vladimir putin could be if not the last because there would be one more next year assuming putin shows up. could be one of the last times they fimeet face to face with president obama in the oval office. your reaction to the meeting? >> they have a lot to sort out. obviously, they want to talk about ukraine and the sanctions. they want to talk about all that. but really it's going to be syria, syria, syria. i think that was the tone of president obama's speech today. i think certainly president putin touched on that. and jim had it exactly right. you can begin to see them converging. >> unlikely partners for peace. not about assad. it's interesting. putin mentioned assad, but he's talking about preserving the instituti institutions and the government and legitimate government in syria. and that when you start talking about transition, that looks like a framework that the two
sides can talk about intelligently, not just calling names. >> if this is with this agreement between these countries, u.s. not part of that. that would be adding heft to the fight against terrorists. why would that make the u.s. nervous? >> it makes the u.s. nervous for a number of reasons. we have 3,000 troops in iraq right now. what's their main function? it's gathering intelligence and sharing that with the iraqi government. is the iraqi government going to be sharing that? that's not clear at all. but what we're moving forward into this very murky area where both russia and iran and the united states are trying to find some way to cooperate to develop transition in syria. and intelligence sharing will probably be part of it even though it's going to be down and dirty.
>> it's interest iing what jim shoout toe pointed out as far as syria is concerned and assad in the last couple years. i'm wondering to see these leaders speaking publicly at the unga. it's another once the doors are closed in a couple hours to have putin and obama sitting down talking syria. how will the public versus the private meetings differ? >> i think we have reporting on the daily beast for a long time that there are a lot of people in the obama administration who actually believe you have to throw your weight at some point behind the government of syria. if you want to fight isis -- >> even though he's dropping barrel bombs? >> even though he's doing all these terrible things. it's the same thing the president of iran said over the weeke weekend. which is the lesser of the evils? they are both incredibly evil. there are a lot of people in between not such good guys either. there are no good players who could take power in iraq.
but the effort of the obama administration to train those people and find those people and vet those people who might do the job has been a complete failure as e we reported several times in the last week. we have to turn somewhere if you want to get rid of isis first. where we're turning is toward russia, which now has many more planes operating out of syria and syria air space than we do. >> chris, thank you very much. i appreciate it. coming up next, donald trump gets specific. the billionaire releasing his highly anticipated tax plan today. he says it's going to make the wealthy very angry. plus as trump's lead is shrinking in the polls, one candidate calls the whole thing a freak show. and breaking news, new proof there's flowing water on mars. what this means, coming up. you're watching cnn.
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this is cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a new poll has donald trump barely holding on to his lead. now the question is this. will his new tax plan draw fire or even more fans to his campaign. today the candidate known for specifics got plenty of detail on a topic he admits is is in a wheelhouse. he says his plan will make taxes lower, simpler for everyone. he says 75 million low income households will pay no income tax adding this online. quote, they get a new one-page form to send. irs saying i win. they also get a big tax break. but trump told reporters one of the way he's paying for the tax reduction is closing loopholes and eliminating deductions that the wealthy love.
>> this is actually a tax reduction. including for the -- i believe that the economy will do so well that even though they won't be getting certain deductions, which aren't fair for them to be getting, that they will end up doing better. >> i have sara murray, economist ben stein all here with me offering perspective. so sara, first to you. walk through the plan for us. >> when you look at it, it's an across the board tax cut as well as a tax cut for businesses. when it comes to individuals f you pak $25,000 or less, you pay no taxes. no federal taxes. a lot of people already pay no federal taxes and he's trying to widen the net. also when you look at the top rate, he's changing it from 40% to 25%.
that's what wer wug talking about a big tax cut for the wealthy. on the business side, this is tax rate for businesses. experts say it's a little hard to make the math add up in terms of finding enough deductions to make up for the losses. >> i'm curious to see how it stacks up with other candidates. but ben stein, you're listening to this as our economist having worked back in the nixon white house. you're shaking your head. is this feasible? >> anything he says is feasible for him to say it, but it has nothing to do with what's going to happen in the real world. you had a segment on about flowing water on mars. mr. trump's tax plan has much to do with creating disparity with water on mars. there's no reason to think his plan will do anything for
prosperity. the great majority of americans are not paying tax at all. there's no evidence that lowering taxes on the rich raises narc productivity. i don't see where any of this is going to lead us. we're running a $500 million deficit right now. how long can can this go on within we can't keep having gigantic deficits forever. >> our money correspondent is listening and nodding. she's listening to you. if you want to jump in on what he just said and i think it is important to compare it to other tax plans. >> i mean, let's get real. he's saying one way to generate growth, one way to make the gdp numbers increase is by forcing corporations or incentivizing them from bringing profits back to the u.s. we tried that already. we tried that in 2003. it did not create any additional
jobs. the companies took the cash and gave it back to shareholders. as far as differentiating himself from other republican candidates, they all want to do the same thing. the "new york times" said this is a high energy version of jeb bush's plan. they all want to reduce the number of individual tax brackets we all have. they want to decrease the amount of corporate taxes paid. so this is very consistent with the rest of the republicans are say i saying. lower taxes for everyone, everyone will benefit without any real specifics. look, this is the guy who said we're going to go after the hedge fund managers. you know what? based on what we know right now, the hedge fund managers aren't going to pay that much more. 2% is not a big bump at all. what's interesting is he got the other republicans to say that they would do something about the hedge fund managers tax structure and then backed away
from it when he unveiled his plan. it's interesting to see that. those guys would only say that behind closed doors until trump started putting it in front of people. >> and then something else we're wondering this morning. you asked him this morning. you hear this plan and wonder, okay, how would this personally affect donald trump? what did it he say? >> the marketing on the tax plan were this would cost me a fortune. this is going to be difficult for the wealthy, but when i asked him what his tax break was and is it going to go up or down, he dodged the question. he ultimately said, look, this is going to be great for people at the upper end of the income scale too. donald trump's taxes are very complicated, but today, no straight answer. >> ben stein, final word. you talk about the deficit as the historian, someone who lived through so many different
presidents. what do you think? whose plan do you like the best? you tell me. >> i like the present tax plan is better than any of the republican plans. what we really talked about is raising taxes on our grandchildren. we can't run the deficits forever. somebody has to pay for them. it's going to be our children and grandchildren. so lowering taxes on some but raising on our grandchildren. >> ben stein, thank you very much. ladies, i appreciate it as well. make sure you watch erin burnett. she's sitting down with donald trump and we'll be speaking with her to get a tease of her interview that will air in full tonight at 7:00 eastern on cnn. coming up next, marco rubio says he will not be part of what he calls the donald trump freak show. the problem is rubio is engaging trump and hurling insults his way. will it work for him? also ahead, nasa announcing a tremendous discovery today.
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as we just discussed, will donald trump revealed his tax plan. his rival marco rubio called trump's campaign freak show. he did that during a radio interview on npr. he was asked to respond to trump calling him a kid during recent campaign stuff. here is senator rubio. >> well, look, i'm not interested in the back and forth to be a part of his freak show. u would just say this. he is a sensitive person. he responds to criticism very poorly. he had a speech in south
carolina to an empty crowd and got booed on friday. his poll numbers have taken a beating and he was embarrassed on national television by carly fiorina and others. but this election is not about donald trump. it has to be about the issues confronting our country. every time issues become prominent, he will say something outrageous so he doesn't have to talk about the issues. >> that jab was met with a jab from donald trump. >> senator rubio is a lightweight. we understand that. he wouldn't be able to do this. he wouldn't know a trade deal from any other deal. guys like rubio, he desperately needs money. ask the car dealer in florida, ask the people that support him, and a guy like rubio and others, i don't want to single him out. but they are largely controlled by their donors, special interests and frankly more than
anybody else the lobbyists. >> let's talk about this back and forth and where it goes from here. i have amanda carpenter and with us is trump supporter jeffrey lord. welcome to both of you. ladies, first. amanda, first to you. you heard rubio call trump a freak show. but rubio has not been shy about engaging with donald trump. in fact, in the same interview he rattled through some of the trump insults. do you think this will work for him because it doesn't always work for everyone. what's his play? >> well, listen, i have very critical of republican candidates who get sucked into the trump trap. i'm willing to give marco rubio a pass here. donald trump has been going after marco rubio hard ever since marco rubio made gains in the last debate. if you look at marco rubio's shining moment it was when he was telling donald trump why he
was misunderstanding vladimir putin's aspirations in the middle east. that was his best moment. donald trump knows that rubio is a threat and has gone after him, called him a loser at the voter summit. he got booed for it. people like marco rubio. so i think he's actually doing a really good job of walking the line into showing people he's not going to take these attacks from donald trump, but also not being dominated by it. he quickly pivots back into his own message and that's kind of the line that they need to be walki walking. >> so let's do a little trump translation. do you think if donald trump goes after someone and calls him a loser, does that really mean he's a little nervous? could marco rubio be trump's biggest competition? >> well, here's what i think is -- >> yes or no? >> do i u think he gains anything by going after him, sure. if you go after your competition, and he's a great
counterpuncher, so he punched back. >> does he make him nervous? >> i have no idea whether it makes him nervous, but if you're the front runner you should always keep an eye on the people gaining from behind. what i would say here is marco rubio remarkably went from being the anti-establishment candidate to be senator from florida. and was a huge champion of the tea party and all of this. he got to the senate and he sort of saddled up to mitch mcconnell and became very pro immigration, got involved with the gang of eight. he did him some damage and still doing some damage. when he goes off an tangents, he's identifying himself more with the establishment when he should be up there with donald trump and ben carson and carly fiorina as one of the anti-establishment candidates and he isn't. why he's made the choice is beyond me. >> you're right, he does fall under more of the establishment
candidate. another one you have is jeb bush. "the washington post" this morning, the big donors told the "the post" that it's make or break time. when you look at "the wall street journal" poll, he has lost half his support since this summer. it's not even october. i know there's still 15 other candidates, jeb bush says, listen, this is a marathon. is he right or do you see the situation for jeb bush as that dire? >> i think jeb bush is certainly in trouble. he had all the money in the world, all the infrastructure. his dad and his brother were able to hit the campaign in the box and say be president. he still can't make it happen. this is precisely why this is such a threat to donald trump at this moment in time. rubio is essentially getting the attention from the jeb bush donors and supporters. from scott walker donors and supporters, they are eyeing him
as the horse to carry the establishment mantle into the 2016 election. it is a curious thing because marco rubio when he came to the senate was an outsider just like jeffrey mentioned. but right now, there's a lot of encouragement from the establishment crowd for marco rubio to play that role, and his command over foreign policy issues is very important to that crowd. i see him coalescing a lot of support through the primary. >> real quickly, jeffrey, last question. i want to ask about rand paul. rand paul told cnn today he will outlast donald trump in the republican race. in what scenario do you see rand paul outlasting donald trump? i hear your laughter. >> lots of lsd. i don't see it. >> jeffly lord, let's be serious, please. >> no hallucinations. >> i just don't see it.
he's not struck fire with people. he's been overwhelmed in this tidal wave here. like some of the other people, he's fading. that's a fact. i did see him -- i don't get it. >> rand paul has die hard, comm committed libertarians who will stick with him and jeb bush has nothing like this. >> always a great conversation. thank you so much. reminder, cnn and facebook will be hosting the first democratic candidates debate tuesday, october 13th, in vegas. next, space geeks, nasa announcing a huge discovery. water on mars, what could this mean? signs of life potentially? also cnn sits down with bill clinton about who he blames for his wife's dip in the polls and why he thinks donald trump could
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what we're going to announce today is mars is not the dry planet we thought of in the past. today we're going to announce that under certain circumstances, liquid water has been found on mars. >> it is the moment space experts have been waiting for. there's now proof that water and liquid water, i know that sounds like you're saying the same thing, it's a very important point. liquid water has been found on mars. is there or was there life as
well with? scientists say it's the dark streaking looking at the surface that it's proof that it's salty water flowing in different seasons of the year. they still don't know where it's coming from. nasa had a gut feeling, but now they have the proof. joining me is the man who you saw make the mega announcement. the director of planetary science at nasa and also with me rachel crane. so awesome having both of you on. before we totally nerd out, can you explain to me what standing up there meant for you? is this birthday, christmas, hanukkah, new year's all-in-one? >> of course, brooke, what you really realize when you look at mars data is we were missing a lot of the pieces. we didn't know the water cycle. we knew there was humidity in the air, but to see the craters weeping during the summer is really fantastic. >> describe the moment when you
saw the weeping, when you saw this water existing in the recurrence? >> we had seen it several years ago, but didn't understand it. the more we looked and the more we found it in all kinds of region all over mars, it really got us going such that we made the mineralology and determined why water could exist at such low temperatures and low pressures. >> and when we keep hearing liquid water, that's significant because it's not ice. that's how you know it's salty because it changes the boiling and freezing points thus knowing it's actual liquid waters. >> here we have an example of on the surface briny water that exists. not all throughout the whole year, but at specific times it's really a major breakthrough.
>> i'm turning to rachel. if you want to ask him a question, but my question to you would be in terms of sending people to mars, how would this mega piece of information change that mission? >> it's really important to keep planetary protection in mind. we don't want to contaminate the planets we go to. they are not sanitized properly. but in terms of the journey to mars, which is going to happen in the 2030s, that architecture hasn't been determined yet. so findingly kwid water on mars, it could be a game changer. it could be used for rocket fuel. it could be used for radiation protection. you can purify the water and use it for irrigation. the possibilities are endless. this is incredibly exciting. >> maybe this is a no duh sort of question.
but if you had the opportunity to go to mars, would you take it and what would you do? >> absolutely, what's critical is we're accumulate iing the knowledge for humans to go to mars. they are going to need these resources. the knowledge of where the water is, how to get access to it, not only provides an opportunity to do the science to really look for life, but also as rachel mentioned, critical to support our human program. >> how incredible, jim green, congratulations, thank you so much. we'll be covering it here at cnn and rachel crane, thank you as well. to mars we go. coming up, cnn sits down with bill clinton about who he blames for his wife's dip in the polls and why he thinks donald trump could win the republican nomination. fareed zakaria sat down with m him. also why isn't president obama following tradition and staying at the waldorf wis tor ya in new york. don't miss this.
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when bill clinton sat down with fareed, he had a surprising response to a question. fareed is joining me. let's tee up the first sound byte in which bill clinton is talking about the e e-mail controversy and why he thinks it's not going away. >> this is just something that has been a regular feature of all of our presidential campaigns. except in 2008 for unique reasons. ever since watergate, something like this happens.
i would rather it happen now than later. and it was always going to happen. the other party doesn't want to run against her. if they do, they'd like her as mangled up as possible. it's obvious what happened. at the beginning of the year, she was the most admired person in public life. there are lots of people who wanted there to be a race for different reasons. and they thought the only way to make it a race was a full-scale frontal assault on her. and so this e-mail thing became the biggest story in the world. what happened, the presidential campaign happened. nature of the coverage shifted from is she based political? you can't complain. this is a contact sport. they are not giving the job away. and people who want a race wanted her to drop some and people in the other party
desperately wanted it because she's already put out more positions on more issues and said how she would pay for them based on all the other combined. >> fareed zakaria, you didn't know what you were going to get by asking that question. we have seen hillary clinton on one hand going around, i apologize, i own it, wanting to move on. here's her husband digging into it and blaming republicans and media for the fact this e-mail thing isn't going away. >> yeah, it's a very different narrative than the hillary clinton would like, which is, look, it's a mistake. we have owned up to it. we have given the prosecutors and fbi whatever they wanted and let's move on. what you saw there is bill clinton is a husband, and for all that people say about their relationship, i have always
thought he's very loyal to her and is actually very, very devoted to her political future. i think this was actually an emotional response. this was not calculated. if you watch the whole thing, you notice he begins by saying, you know why this happened. then there's a pause. you can tell he's thinking to himself, i probably shouldn't go there. but it was an emotional thing. >> you ask him about donald trump. here is president clinton. >> he's a master brander. when you have a lot of people running and people are trying to make distinctions, being able to put a personal stamp on it so people identify with who you are, it counts for something. certainly in the beginning. he has a lot of zip. >> could trump be the nominee?
>> i think so. i mean, how do i know? i don't understand any of it very well. >> what do you make of that? it it's the yes, he could be the nominee, well i haven't run for politics in 20 years. what did you make of that response? >> he was very hon nest that part. he says i haven't run for 20 years. let me be honest with me. my instincts are not what they used to be. the part he said he could be the nominee, i think he's doing the math we're all doing, which which is if it's just two people or three people, it's hard to see how trump gets to the 45% you need. but if six people stay in the race for awhile and given the nature of the money, all you need is a couple rich people willing to back you. if there's six people in the race, the anti-trump vote is divided into 5 and then his
percentage looks good. that's what we're grappling with. that's the scenario in which donald trump could be the nominee. it's a long shot, but it's not as long as it seems. >> did you get the sense just reading in the papers this morning, i got the sense this is the beginning of bill clinton really getting out and playing a larger role as part of the hillary clinton campaign. you say you didn't get that sense. >> he didn't indicate that to e me. the sense i got is he wanted to focus on the clinton global initiative and the work he's doing, it's the ten year anniversary going on. it's a double-edged sword. he is bill clinton. he's an incredible campaigner and politician. but that comes with some baggage, which is hillary clinton is not as charismatic as bill clinton. she's plenty smart and a formidable public figure, but she's not bill clinton. do you want to keep bringing that comparison up? do you want to remind people of having to do with bill clinton?
there's the issue which i think his responses with regard to her as not as calculated a he normally is. he lets his emotions get in the way. she's his wife. they have been together for a long time. >> which is what we saw. thank you so much. make sure you watch fareed on sunday at 10:00 here on cnn. thank you very much. next, major news involving the officers accused in freddie gray's death in baltimore. is one pointing fingers? a new report about what happened at the scene some months ago. it's a tradition for presidents to stay at the waldorf during their u.n. visits. but not this year. richard roth with a candid explanation as to why. >> i would like a room. it's definitely cozy. there's something on the wall and on the pillow that would be a little different than the average hotel room.
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at least one of the baltimore police officers charged in the death of freddie grey told the investigators that the man said he needed medical attention. the same officer says he warned his fellow police officers. this news comes from the newspaper there in baltimore. the paper reports it received exclusive details about statements made in the case never released publicly. investigators reviewed statements from all officers charged and say william porter asked freddie gray if he needed to go to the hospital. they report the officer alerted the police transport van driver that gray needsed help and medical attention but none was provided at the time. all six officers involved will
be tried separately. miguel marquez has been covering the story since it broke and joins me there in downtown. what's the situation? this was anticipated the notion that since it they would be separated that they would implicate one another in the crime. >> reporter: well, these statements that we have known about but haven't heard much about except until now are going to be absolutely critical to the state's case against those officers. porter is the one who implicated other officers in his statement immediately after, within 24 hours after mr. gray was admit ed to the hospital when he was found in that van to be nonresponsive. porter basically implicated officer goodson, he was the driver of the van saying that he had said it looks like he needs help. he asked gray if he wanted a medic, gray said, yes, i do.
but still he wasn't taken. sergeant white some while later spoke to gray, gray was unresponsive at that point. she told the driver that he should probably be taken to the hospital or go directly there. it wasn't until according to "the baltimore sun" and the embed they did with the police department in the days after mr. gray died that they say that they found him completely unconscious with his head sort of up against the wall, the front wall of the van on his back and completely unresponsive. his heart even stopped at that point. they were able to e revive him and get him to the hospital, but he died seven days later. we don't know if the statements were complete. they never saw the actual statements. i think tomorrow we have a hearing here in baltimore. the judge is going to be -- he's
not beginning to like the fact this was reported by the local newspaper and the defense is going to make a lot of hay out of this and have charges thrown out or dismissed based on this information. >> we'll follow up tomorrow and talk after that hearing. miguel marquez, thank you so much. top of the hour, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. president obama just about two hours away now from sitting down face to face with the president of russia, vladimir putin, at the sidelines of the yuns general assembly. a picture speaks a thousand words and this one says a lot. we have some color after a toast of saying they have had icy relations could be saying it gently. russia announced a new intelligence sharing agreement. adding to the standoff about ukraine and putin's insistence
in propping up the syrian regime. obama taking the podium a short time ago and he did not hold back. >> with this it logic, we should support tyrants like bashar al assad who drops barrel bombs to massacre innocent children because the alternative is surely worse. the united states is prepared to work with any nation, including russia and iran, to resolve the conflict. but we must recognize there cannot be after so much bloodshed, so much carnage, a return to the pre-war status quo. >> and no one knows the ins and outs of the story better than the three correspondents sitting to my right. i have nick paton walsh, ivan watson, here's a piece of their work. >> that strike came in about four hours ago.
they are racing frantically to pull nine people from the rubble. >> we are just on the turkish side of the border. you should start to make out figures. they are isis fighters in action. >> they are protecting the helicopter. but it's terrify iing the littl kids. the problem is we're flying over isis front lines. >> journalism at its best. it's an honor to get to have you all on my set because normally you're all half a world away. let's begin with the fact looking at you based in moscow. the fact that we know that president obama and vladimir putin will be meeting in two hours. we saw the picture, i don't know if it's an example of psychological warfare or not that the clinking of the glasses at this lunch. what's to be anticipated? it's one thing to speak publicly. it's another to sit behind closed doors.
>> we're going to see more scrutiny of their body language. but what the u.s. president is pushing for is details and intentions, goals, objectives, what is vladimir putin planning to do in syria now that we have seen this very bold, dramatic step up and really doubling down on his support for the syrian president there. what's he doing? we didn't learn any of that today when vladimir putin spoke. no details there at all. just a repetition of long held grievances and repeating that policy clearly there stand iingy assad. that's their man. but what do they do now? >> it's this intelligence agreement, this acord that was signed. you have russia, iran, iraq and syria agreeing to share intelligence. we have u.s. there and there's intelligence happening there as well. i have to imagine that there's some nerves frayed on the u.s. side of things, but could russia and the u.s. be on unlikely partners for peace?
>> highly unlikely that the russians are going to want to see any much of the u.s. intelligence that's available or cooperate. the major thing here is we're looking at a simple cold war style of thinking from vladimir putin. he's back to his old kgb days. the iran, iraq, syria and russia on one side and the u.s., turkey and gulf nations floundering to get their act together on the other. it's about the rhetoric. it's about his own domestic problems. there's a real hit on the economy because of sanctions. he's trying on the world stage to look good to try to sound as important as possible to restore that sense of soviet union grandier he grew up with. part of that is these lavish agreements saying russia will work with iran, iraq, syria, most of those already their allies. it's putting iraq in the complicated mix of sharing intelligence. it makes it a complicate d
battlefield. we have the u.s. often pretty not successfully trying to corral moderate rebels to be something coherent to fight isis. >> a few rebel who is exist. >> we spoke to one o of them. along with them are worried about the dominance of al qaeda. there's not much hope for this moderate force that people could think become the future. there's a basic bit of real politic where people see if assad fell overnight, you could see a disaster in the areas he holds. that could be genocidal in some ways. nobody wants to see that. people are concerned they would lead. who will listen to this talk? it's been going on for months, years. no one is expecting the radical
groups to get involved and put their arms down. it's not going to happen. i think the u.s. policy has hit ground and run out of ideas. the russians have said we'll try to fix this. perhaps the u.s. is willing to let them flounder as well and say we'll try. >> we talk about so much in the policies are important, but i'm looking at you because you're at the front lines and telling the real stories of these human lives who are all affected and at play. i was just sitting asking you earlier because i look at you and think of you in the helicopter with the families. we cover that story last august. that long ago. >> 2014. >> and here you are in that helicopter. this was when they were holed up at the top of the mountain surrounded by isis. it was convert or be killed. have you followed up with this family? >> absolutely, just last week i was in iraqi kurdistan and found one of the families that we met on this helicopter.
. they are living in a refugee camp along with tens of thousands of other people more than a year after they had to flee their homes. they are safe now, but two of their brothers were believed to have been captured at this time. they haven't been heard from since. their father who escaped deteriorated mentally and millionly. he can't walk any longer. one of the brothers who was on the chopper, he went on the migrant trail to europe. he lives in germany now. >> he's one of the thousands of refugees you've been covering? >> he's going into germany. i asked him do you miss your home in iraq? he said no way, that is finished for me. my future is here in europe. e he wants to bring his family eventually, but these people are so traumatized still. we were talking to the teenage girls, this it little girl here, she was smiling and talking to me. then suddenly her eyes just welled up with tears in front of
me. i asked what's wrong, she said when i see you i remember this awful year we've had. and they are just one family out of 1.5 million people who have fled since august of 2014, homeless now with little to no hope of ever going back home. and most of the people you talk to talk now they say their only hope is to try to escape into europe. it's a matter of paying the money to the smugglers to get them there and most of them don't have the money to pay the thousands of dollars to do that. it shows how hopeless the situation is. >> this is one story, one family, you meet so many of them. in the bit of time i have remaining, what other stories? this is your time to tell other stories that aren't getting covered. >> we talk a lot about in lebanon and the problem they have there. there are 1.2 million syrians living there. that's made the population, 1 in
4 are a refugee. they are living in abandoned building sites. there are nose those who don't have the money to think about the trip to europe. and that's going to have a long-term permanent impact on this volatile region which the u.s. depends on so many things for stability. the problem is who rebuilds after this it. the amazing pictures a year ago, these are people who will never come back or recover from that trauma and are stuck looking for lives outside. the whole idea of when it comes in and manages to happen, what generation is left. where's the middle class who can be the dentist, the architect to get normal life going again? that's the problem this region has. >> please keep telling the stories. thank you all so much for being with me today. our international correspondents here at cnn, thank you.
just blocks away from the united nations headquarters is the iconic waldorf hotel. many leaders have stayed there overnight, but new ownership may be prompting security concerns. the president has decided not to stay there anymore. here's richard roth with more on the heightened security there. >> it houses the parlays of the big four foreign ministers. >> the waldorf hotel, a new york institution for eight decades. presidents have stayed the night here but no more. for president obama it's time to move out of the waldorf. the fear, security concern. china has business interests that own the waldorf astoria. there are renovations. white house officials are worried that a lot of that work
could lead to spying, bugging. in the movies, which always seems to highlight security bugging, james bond had to deal with a threat from russia. . >> one of the things would be the phone. not only checking this phone for a device that's bugging your call, also whether or not inside here there's another device. >> in your decades of police and detectivive work, how common was bugging in hotel rooms? >> very common. wherever somebody knows you're going to be and they want to find out your secret, somebody can go in there and place a bug in there. >> reporter: there are thousands of hotels for a u.s. president to stay. where should he or she in the future? >> air b and b. >> the dream hotel. >> the meat pack industry. >> he's welcome to come and stay with me in my house in queens. >> one presidential candidate won't have to face the where to stay in manhattan issue. he he already lives here. plus his name is on the
building. the president stayed at the millennium hotel and here at the new york palace, a permanent home is unknown. the management of this hotel claims many u.s. presidents have stayed here from clinton to garfield. they were guests who signed in under those names to provide am anymorety. >> it's definitely cozy. there's something on the wall and on the pillow that would be a little different than the average hotel room. in diplomacy, loose lips is not something you want to be known for. it could be a solution when world leaders have problems finding rooms in a hurry to meet face to face. here the rooms go by the hour. the waldorf won't comment specifically on president obama's departure, but did say the welcome mat is always open for an opportunity to return. >> richard roth, thank you. next, donald trump gets specific. the billionaire releasing his tax plan. he says it's going to make the wealthy very angry.
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his plan will make taxes lower and simpler for everyone. he says 75 million. low income households will pay no income tax adding this online. quote, they get a new one-page form to send the irs saying i win. higher income americans get a big tax break as well, but donald trump told reporters one of the ways he's paying for the tax reduction is by closing loopholes and eliminating e deductions that the healthy love so much. >> this is a tax reduction. including for the upper income. i believe the economy will do so well that even though they won't be getting certain deductions, which aren't fair for them to be getting, they will end up doing better. >> i have cnn global economic analyst here with me now. so just the facts first up, mj. explain the plan for folks. >> trump's tax plan would make a
lot of people happy. we're talking about deep income tax cuts for people across the board, whether it's poor people or people that make a lot of money, including someone like trump, who clearly falls in the upper income bracket. if his plan were to be enacted, more than 50% of households in america would pay no income taxes. >> none? >> that's pretty dramatic. so if i were making $25,000 a year or if my spouse and i were together making $50,000 a year, we would pay nothing in income taxes. i think the big question is how he would make up for the cuts that are made in his plan. theoretically, there are several ways to do this. the cuts could be outset by investments that get boosted because people have more money to spend. there are deductions for the rich that would create more revenue. trump says he would have incentives for companies to
bring back money that is currently overseas to the country, which would help, but critics are going to want to know how is he going to pay for this. >> i'll take that point and say i think it is going to be p popular with a lot of people, but i don't think this tax plan is going to create more revenue or economic growth. one of the key things is the idea that american companies have a lot of cash they are holding in overseas bank accounts. if they could bring it home, they will put it to work retraining workers. we did this in 2004. the money did not go to creating jobs, building factories. it went to share buy backs and dividend payments. thp will bolster the markets but not create growth in the real economy. >> it may make me or someone happy initially, but it won't create the jobs and growth. >> he's also focusing on the fact that by cutting taxes to the tune you're talking about it puts more money in people's pockets, and that's true in the short-term. certainly low income americans have been hit over the last few years. but longer term, that's not what
creates growth and doesn't change the vectors that keep american jobs going overseas or keep innovation stalled out. >> let's put this in perspective. other candidates have put forth their tax plans. what about a marco rubio, a jeb bush, how does his compare? >> broadly speaking, trump's plan is sort after a typical republican plan. if you're looking at someone like jeb bush's plan or marco rubio's plan, they want tax cuts. they are talking about simplifying the tax code and making that up by closing loopholes and getting rid of deductions. there are some differences. for example, if we compare trump's tax plan to bush's, one would reduce the tax bracket, trump's, to four for the other two it would be three and two. something else that's in common is he wants to lower the corporate tax rate. another idea that's pretty popular among conservatives.
but the differences just by how much. trump would lower to 15%. bush, 20%. rubio, 25%. these are some deep tax cuts we're talking about from trump and trump is proposing. again, goes to the question of how do we make that up? >> i think the thing that's kind of amazing politically about this is he's managed to be most pop list and plud democratic. this is a guy -- this is what it spe speaks to. he's saying let's cut the corporate tax rate and a lot of people would like to see that cut across the board. let's cut the carried interest reduction. certainly people like elizabeth warren on the left would like to see that cut. but this is not something that hedge funders are going to be crying over. nobody who is rich is going to complain that much. >> thank you so much. about two weeks from now, just a quick reminder to all of you,
cnn and facebook will be hosting the first democratic candidates debate on tuesday, october 13th in las vegas. coming up next, joyce mitchell breaks down. remember her, the former prison employee who helped the two convicted killers escape that maximum security prison in new york. she pleaded for mercy from the judge this morning. detames on her sentencing, ahead. also all eyes on nasa as scientists today announce there may be flowing water on mars. what it means for possible life currently on the red planet. stay here.
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he's going to jail herself now. the 51-year-old was sentenced today. she received the maximum penalty allowed, up to seven years in prison for her role in the june escape of the two inmates. it set off a three-day manhunt -- three weeks manhunt and cost the state millions of dollars in man power. mitchell cried through her sentencing this morning. she pleaded with the judge to show mercy and let her stay home under house arrest. >> i live with regret every day and will for the rest of my life. i have never been so disappointed in myself and i not only let myself down but my family. my husband and my children are my life and my world.
i'm not a bad person. i clearly made a horrible mistake. i realize i need to be responsible for my actions. >> alexander fields was in new york for those three weeks covering this. seeing joyce mitchell this morning, was she able to e get -- it was just a lot of tears. >> we have seen her in court and she was weepy the last time. you could the pieces of paper and spoke for a long time. she sobbed a lot. stopped, weeped, wiped her eyeses, expressed remorse and made this plea at the end to the judge to just give her an ankle bracelet and let her go home and saying sorry and it was the biggest mistake of her life. the judge did not buy that. he told her really no uncertain terms. he said, you did terrible things and then sentenced her to the maximum penalty allowed, which is two years behind bars, up to
seven years. here are some of the choice words he had for her. >> staggering as the economic cost to new york state may be, the economic and non-economic cost suffered by so many people is incall cuable. a large portion of the local population were terrorized. many were forced to flee their homes. some did not have places to go. >> you can see that agony on her face as she listens to the judge. you heard the judge say the costs were incall kabl. i think people are still trying to process. we watched this thing unfold and saw this huge swarm of man power across not only new york but really looking across the country. >> $23 million in overtime. >> alone for the people actively
involved in the manhunt. these rbt even the beginning of the costs. the judge went on to say there are millions of dollars more the state had to spend because you have an investigation being carried out by the inspector general's office. >> will she pay any sliver of that? >> so this was the wrinkle that came up in court today. this thing was agreed upon. she pled guilty to two charges back in july and expecting to get the sentence she was given today. but the curveball was the d.a. said, hey, we're looking for restitution to $120,000. that's the cost of just making the repairs to where the cell walls were cut. joyce mitchell doesn't seem to be in the position to have this money to pay. her attorney is saying that number is just wild and outrageous, but there will be another hearing where the restitution will have to be ironed out. >> thank you very much, to be continued. for the first time in 70 years the state of georgia is planning to execute a woman. why her adult children say she should be spared.
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one of the co-authors of the paper detailing this discovery. if i may brag on you. you were the one who discovered the chemical composition based upon this speck trom ter orbiting mars for you to say, ah-ha, could this be what i think it is? >> yeah, we detected the special salt and the reason that's important is because when you add the salt to water, it increases the stability of liquid water on the surface of mars. it has a special property where it can absorb atmospheric moisture and make it a liquid environment within the salt. it's a special substance that we found. >> on that note, we keep sayi saying liquid water. it's important to add the adjective liquid because that's currently liquid on the planet.
>> yeah, so the current temperature and pressure on the surface is too low to support liquid water, as we currently understand it. if you add the salt into it, you can make liquid water stable. as many people know, liquid water is an essential ingredient for life. so detecting it as a stable liquid on the surface leads us one step closer to understanding the habitability of present day ma mars. >> the habitability of what? >> of present day mars. >> so on present day mars, the question is obviously, a, it was jim green last hour describing the weeping water and could there be life currently on the red planet? what do you think? >> yeah, i mean, i'm an astro biologist so that's a question that drives all my research. i think this is a really
fundamental part of science and of questions we ask as humans is are we alone in the solar system and universe and look at our neighbor mars and we see that long ago it had a thick protective atmosphere, a protective magnetic field and may have even had oceans at one time. so it sort is tantalizing. we want to know was mars inhabited, is it still inhabited today? these are questions that we at nasa are really interested in pursuing. >> let's call this dream vision. in your fantasy world, you could have one -- you do all this research. one question about mars answered, right now, what would it be? >> i guess that question would be is there life on mars today. that would be incredible to know and something i will work towards understanding in my
career. >> keep going. keep going. i love it and especially female scientists, rock on. mary beth, thank you so much. best of luck to you. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump unveiled his new tax plan today. then he sat down with erin burnett. we'll get erin onset for details of her interview. why donald trump says he's okay with paying more under his new plan. plus breaking news from capitol hill. three days after speaker boehner stunned america by announcing he will step down, we have news on a possible replacement. we'll be right back.
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kevin mccarthy announced he's running for the speakership to replace house speaker john boehner. let's go to our correspondent live in washington. what precisely has he said? >> reporter: he said that's what he's doing, he's running for speaker of the house. we have known this since john boehner made that surprising announcement on friday he was going to resign at the end of october. mccarthy is boehner's number two. and he comes into this race really as the person that widely considered to assume that speakership position. he's a heavy favorite. he has deep relationships throughout the house. but the challenge and the question for him is whether or not he can also win over those same conservatives who did not
like john boehner. members of the house freedom caucus that are roughly 30 members or so of this group. what mccarthy needs to do is limit defections to no more than 29 votes. that's going to be the big number we're going to look at in the coming days as he locks down support. expect he is the heavy favorite. he just needs to make sure that he prevents any of those defections from going in large number. >> kevin mccarthy, thank you so much. donald trump may be losing some ground in the polls but he's getting specific about his campaign platform. the republican front runner is first but barely in this new "wall street journal" poll one point ahead of ben carson. this poll comes out as trump releases details of his tax plan today. bottom line, lower taxes for all including the wealthy who will lose some benefits under trump's plan. >> the bracket of 25 is many of
the loopholes and many of the deductions which have been there for years are put there because a lot of the people that get these deductions are contributed to hillary clinton, contributing to bush, contributing to every candidate but trump. because i'm not taking any money. i'm self-funding. these people want these dedubss. there will be people, we're reducing taxes, but there will be people on the upper echelons that won't be thrilled with this. >> so that's how other folks would be affected. what about donald trump himself? how would his tax plan perhaps help him? erin burnett got that question. he dodged it earlier today. you sat down with him a little bit ago. welcome back. happy baby number two. so you asked him how he would be personally affected. >>. >> he talks about how the
wealthy are going to have problems with his plan, but he's not very specific on what loopholes they benefit from he would close that cost a lot of money. the question i said is what would this do to you, he says he's a billionaire, would this cost more money. here's how he answered the question. >> i will probably end up paying more money. but at the same time, the economy will do better so i'll make it up that way. . i believe in the end i might do better because i really believe the economy is going to grow. >> so i think the question is he used the caveat probably. people looking at this says the answer needs to be most definitely because the plan is about slashing rates for everybody. that means he's betting on growth making up for the difference. that is a big question mark. >> wondering how it would help people short-term, but long-term growth wise, job wise, she wasn't so sure. >> you talk about he says
companies have a lot of money overseas. they have a lot of money. we have major tax problems. he's saying if they bring it back t it will create more jobs. george bush did a plan like that. the money went to shareholders. it didn't create new jobs. so it's not a sure thing that doing something like that is going to necessarily create job growth. >> this was a piece of your sit-down. we'll watch for the rest of it. she's back at 7:00 this evening with donald trump. >> we talk polls, putin, hillary clinton, all of it it. >> thank you very much. 7:00 tonight, erin burnett. we are a day away from a woman being executed on death row in the state of georgia. she was convicted of convincing her lover to kill her husband, but still her kids say on this night before she's to be put to death she should be spared. we'll speak live with a woman who served time with her about how she says she's changed
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very shortly president obama and russia's vladimir putin will meet for the first time in just about two years. it comes just a short time after they toasted. here they were at lunch today at the united nations general assembly. president putin also met with iranian president hasan rowhani during this show rowhani spoke about the criticism from the public end of the iran nuclear deal. >> translator: some of it was quite laughable. it was very strange. the things that they spoke of. some of them wouldn't even know where tehran is in relation to iran. some didn't know where iran was geographically. not distinguishing one is the capital of the other. so what they spoke of was quite far away from the truth. so the people of iran were looking at it as a form of
entertainment, if you will. and found it laughable. >> again, the meeting between president obama and putin happening in just about an hour from now here in new york. stay tuned to cnn for coverage of that. meantime a mother of two convicted of conspireing to have her husband killed will become the first woman put to death in georgia in 70 years. hours ago a judge denied a motion to allow kelly gissnedaner to live. there was pressure to have her spared, her children and the father accused of having recruiting her lover to kill her husband and already come close to execution twice this year. she is now set to be put to death tomorrow night. and joining me now is nicki roberts. nicki served time with kelly in prison for a number of years and
says kelly really actually proved to be a positive messenger, a positive person in nicki's life. so, nicki, thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you for having me, brooke. >> first let's just set up how the two of you met. i mean, talk about a unique situation. and here you were, you were behind bars. you were incredibly upset from what i understand. and you hear this voice coming at you through a heating vent at this high security female prison. tell me what you heard. >> well, brooke, i heard something that i definitely had not heard in the time of me being incarcerated. and that was positive messaging. and that was hope. i didn't know it was coming from someone who was under a condemned death state at the time as i was trying to take my own life. but it came from kelly gissendaner, the voice. and the words spoke very clearly to me about don't wish death on
yourself. don't give up your power. god created you for more than this. and to hear that -- and it wasn't a messaging about god. i'm a preacher's child. i grew up in church hearing about god. it was the purpose driven message, a message that spoke to worthiness that i had very little of self-worth at the time about what i was to do and what i could do and how i could do other things while still incarcerated had not been spoken to me, brooke, at all. >> so here she is, you haven't even met her. here's this voice telling you to want to live, to have the will to live. you end up knowing her off and on behind bars between '06 to 2013. and here she is this is the day before she is supposed to be executed on georgia's death row. she is someone who apparently,
you know, talked her lover into killing her husband. and there is this sense from a number of people trying to grant clemency. but why do you think? >> well, she deserves clemency for the mere fact that she has made atonement for her sins, for her wrongdoing. she's very remorseful. i definitely have been a part of the prayers for the gissendaner family. i've spoken with the children, kayla especially. and who are begging for their mother to be spared from death. she is a human being. >> but they didn't always feel that way, which is i think important to point out, nicki. i mean, i've been talking to folks close to this and i know that the children have been at the prison today and we haven't been able to be in touch with them because they aren't allowing cell phones in the prison. but these children didn't always feel this way about their mother. obviously they lost their father, but that has changed.
>> that has changed and that's what's significant. they lead the way in this talk of redemption. when we talk about being able to forgive and being able to grant mercy to someone who's done wrong to us who has violated us. and kelly has definitely, again not only been remorseful but been appreciative of her children sort of accepting her again. and i could only imagine what that's been like for them. but for them those children to stand up and say i accept you, i love you as my mother, i feel like i haven't had enough time with you, i feel like if dad was still alive, dad being the slain doug gissendaner killed by the hands of greg owens, that he wouldn't want my mother executed because he knew how much she would mean to us and that absence of having both parents gone. i just would hope that there
could be some way -- i could only imagine that there may not be closure per se for the victim's family, but if we could look at some other alternatives. life without parole is certainly what we're asking for with clemency. for kelly to die naturally in prison where she can continue to be an example to other female inmates, the staff, the security that's come forward. and that she could also have supervised visitation with her children. >> well, the hearing did not go her way this morning. and just in my final 30 seconds with you, you know, whether she is executed tomorrow which it sounds like according to these hearings that will happen, 30 seconds, nikki, what mark has she forever left on your life? >> she's left a great mark on my life, brooke, that i have continued to be positive and to make great changes. i don't live up to labels or live down to them. but it's so hard for me to get a pat on my back when the one who influenced me will soon be put
to death, maybe. there's still hope. as long as she's still alive there's still hope. >> nikki roberts, thank you so much for joining me. my best to you. and thank you all for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper, starts right now. president bush once famously said he looked into vladimir putin's eyes and got a sense of his soul. what will president obama see when he takes a look one hour from now? i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead". the world lead, a critical summit on the sidelines, president obama about to sit down with vladimir putin face-to-face and directly transmit information to vladimir as syria becomes a battlefield and a second cold war. the politics lead, his name synonymous with money. today donald trump unveiled a plan to keep more of it in your pockets, but could it cost him with some in his own party? and the out of this world lead, what could literally be a life altering discovery, liquid water