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of course i know a lot of people were disappointed that e.t. didn't walk across the screen today. >> jennifer gray, i'm looking forward to your first live shot from mars. thanks so much. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. turning you over now to one mr. wolf blitzer who is in new york. happening now, u.n. showdown. president obama meets this hour with russia's president putin amid rising tensions over syria, isis and eastern europe. they've already exchanged angry rhetoric in front of world leaders. and icy stares during a tense toast. are they headed towards compromise or conflict? nuclear threat. as the u.s. makes better bombs to deploy in europe, russia may make moves of its own. is russia right to view this as a u.s. provocation? and trump tax plan, the billionaire says half of all americans will pay nothing and the very wealthy would pay less, but why would americans have to write to the irs saying, quote,
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i win. i'm wolf blitzer at the united nations. you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> let's get to the breaking news on opposite sides very dangerous world crises like battle days almost of the cold war. president obama and russian president vladimir putin are meeting this hour right here at the united nations. they traded sharp jabs today in duali in dueling speeches and traded a frosty tense during a toast. now one-on-one talks in two years, the catastrophic war in syria and fight against isis. russia has moved troops, aircraft and heavy weapons into syria where it's backing the regime of bashar al assad who president obama says must go. and there are continuing tensions in europe. as the u.s. and its nato allies confront russia over aggression
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in ukraine. the u.s. now upgrading some of its nuclear bombs. and russia may answer by moving some of its missiles. i'll speak with a former nato commander retired general wesley clark. and our correspondents, analysts and guests have full coverage coming up this hour. as the two leaders begin their meeting, we begin with our senior white house correspondent jim acosta who has the very latest. jim. >> wolf, any moment now president obama and russian president vladimir putin will be behind closed doors holding their first major face-to-face meeting in more than two years. and they're once again firing rhetorical missiles at one another over the world's biggest challenges, namely syria and isis. before their meeting president obama and vladimir putin let their body language do all the talking, clinking champagne glasses as the russian leader cracked a sly smile. earlier in the day mr. obama warned the united nations of what he called dangerous currents that could lead to a
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darker world, making his feelings clear about putin's new shadow in the middle east. >> we're told that such retrenchment is required to beat back disorder. >> reporter: the president slammed putin's recipe for defeating isis whose main ingredient is propping up that country's leader bashar al assad. >> according to this logic we should support tyrants like bashar al assad who drops barrel bombs to massacre innocent children because the alternative is surely worse. >> reporter: but with no end in sight and the battle against isis, putin is essentially proposing a plan b. instead of supporting the syrian rebels like the u.s., russia wants to back assad. so it's forming an intelligence sharing agreement with iraq, iran and syria. >> translator: no one but president assad's armed forces and kurdish militia are truly fighting the islamic state and other terrorist organizations in syria. >> reporter: putin blamed the u.s. for the rise of isis.
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>> translator: we think it is an enormous mistake to refuse to cooperate with the syrian government. >> reporter: as he explained to "60 minutes," putin argues the u.s. has miscalculated by taking wrong sides in the arab spring. >> translator: we support the legitimate government of syria. >> reporter: president obama who's long said assad must go is now softening that stance and adding he'll even work with russia and iran. >> realism dictates that compromise will be required to end the fighting and ultimately stamp out isil. >> reporter: but the u.s. and russia still aren't collaborating, even as moscow ramps up its military presence in syria. >> this is not yet coordinated. >> reporter: which is why these two leaders are talking face-to-face in their first bilateral meeting since this encounter more than two years ago. an easier time in the relationship before russia invaded ukraine and became isolated from the west, something mr. obama wants the world to remember. >> if that happens without consequence in ukraine, it could happen to any nation gathered
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here today. >> reporter: now, if that's not enough frostiness in this post cold war relationship consider how both sides were characterizing the runup to this meeting. white house officials insisted it was the russians who wanted it more than they did and of course moscow says it's president obama who sought out putin and expect both the white house and kremlin to be just as divided in how they recap this meeting, wolf. >> let's see what happens. they're meeting this hour here at the united nations. jim acosta, thank you. let's bring in our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. jim, russia, u.s. clearly at odds right now, but is there any indication that maybe all this maneuverability could lead to some cooperation? >> that's what the common ground they're going to have to try to find in this meeting. and you saw some hints of it in the public comments. president obama talked about a managed transition from bashar al assad meaning it doesn't have to be immediate. so question is how long would the u.s. be comfortable with him in power. and who would replace him? and would that be satisfying for the russians? because president putin spoke
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and praised bashar al assad but also spoke of syrian institutions. could russia be happy with the assad regime minus assad after a certain period of time? and could the u.s. be happy with assad for a certain period of time as long as he goes at a point they're satisfied. that's where they really have to struggle to find that common ground. it's not clear that they will. >> but if the president in his speech president obama did suggest that maybe even if they were doing the right thing the u.s. could work with russia and iran for that matter as well to deal with the islamic state or isis. >> no question. that is certainly on the table as to who the u.s. is willing to talk to. and president said that russia iran two countries the u.s. has been at odds with over syria at least really at logger heads with they're willing to sit down at the table. that by itself is progress. so the question is can those three very diametrically opposed sides find a common ground? >> jim sciutto, thanks very much. let's get some more analysis on what's going on right now. joining us the former nato supreme ally commander, retired
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general wesley clark. general clarke, thanks so much for joining us. you saw the icy glares, staring at the toast between these two presidents putin and obama. it's sort of reminiscent of the battle days of the cold war. and you served in the u.s. military during those battle days. >> we're back to the geostrategic chess board and this is russia's move. they put a knight into the middle east, so to speak. a chess piece. they pole vaulted over turkey and now they've got their base established and a lot of key, tanks, air defense, combat aircraft, doing drone reconnaissance and presumably soon starting to strike to support bashar assad sfwl but in the process of helping bashar assad which the u.s. is not too keen on but if they do help beat isis the u.s. would welcome that, right? >> well, you would think so. but there's a larger issue that has to be worked also because a lot of u.s. allies don't want iran to dominate the region. and this is really about russia
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and iran's hegemonic aspirations in the region. isis is in some extent a reaction against iran. iran had a dominant position in iraq in the government forcing the sunnis out. we know that certain sunni nations supported isis in the early days before they recognize they've created a frankenstein there. so they're worried about isis, but they're also worried about iran. and the talks still from these nations underneath is that the iran nuclear agreement however welcoming it is might empower even greater ambitions by iran in the region. >> so what should the u.s. do now that russia is really maneuvering, putting in tanks, putting in heavy weapons, planes and troops for that matter into syria? >> number one at the military level you have to go for some kind of decon flix because you don't want russia and u.s. forces actually fighting. you want the aircraft seeing each other on radar and engaging with air-to-air missiles by
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accident or mistake. i think the crucial thing for the united states is to focus on the in-state we're seeking in syria. we've never picked out -- we said assad must go, but who's going to take his place? is it just to be a democratic election? is it a free for all, are we going to have a series of weak parliamentary leader emerge each for six months like the syrian opposition's doing right now with no leadership? that won't work in this region. >> we're standing by this hour the two presidents are going to be meeting here at the united nations, putin and obama. first time in two years they've met across -- face-to-face for that matter. and some of president obama's critics as you know they say putin right now is almost completely outmaneuvering president obama in ukraine, for example, and now in syria. >> well, actually although i supported sending lethal weapons to ukraine to make sure i think president obama he took a chance that putin wouldn't move. and putin hasn't moved beyond
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this. and president obama's still -- >> he's got crimea. >> yes. and we haven't surrendered it legally either. so woor not going to take it back by force. we're going to take it back by economic development if what we believe in is true, that democracy and the free market system are superior to the kind of clep tock si that putin's running. now, with respect to syria the key thing is who follows assad. is it a general from the syrian military? which general would be acceptable to us? because our key point is you do have to have strong leadership in this region. you can't have an extended period. we know u.s. forces on the ground can't broker this agreement. and former syrian intelligence living now in paris and advocating for the syrian opposition, they don't seem to be strong enough. maybe i'm misjudging them, but i've met with a number of them. got to have strong leadership on the ground. >> all right. general, we have more to discuss including this very worrisome development from the u.s.
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we're following the breaking news president obama and the russian president vladimir putin they're officially meeting at the united nations now. this was the scene earlier today when the two leaders toasted at a u.n. luncheon. we're back with the former nato supreme ally commander retired general wesley clark. general clark, it's now been reported and confirmed that there's a new intelligence sharing cooperation deal involving iraq, involving russia, iran and syria for that matter. is that good for the u.s. that these countries -- iraq for example a country the u.s. liberated from saddam hussein now working with bashar al assad, with iran and russia? the u.s. is not involved in this. >> well, we are actually involved in this through iraq. and we'll probably get some information coming out of this. so the idea for the united states would be take as much as we can, lose as little as possible out of this. it's not good geostrategically. it might help us in targeting.
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but you know the larger question is what is russia doing there and who are they going after? bashar assad's regime has deliberately avoided isis because he's wanted to pose for the west the alternative, it's either me or isis. so he's gone after the moderate syrians. they were a softer, easier target. and so -- are they really going to go after isis? >> this regime in baghdad seems much more inclined to work with iran, for that matter russia and syria than maybe even the united states. >> well, this regime in iraq has never really even since maliki he was always a tool of iran. we kept forces there, they used us, but the iranians did not want us to extend that u.s. presence past 2011. >> that iranian arc is going from iran through iraq into syria and into lebanon through
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hezbollah. that's a concern right now. >> absolutely. it's a concern to turkey, saudi arabia, jordan and of course israel as well. >> 30,000 foreign forces, foreigners, have now joined up with isis in syria and iraq right now. it doesn't seem to be ending by any means. they keep coming in. how do you stop that flow? >> you have to stop that in the source countries by tightening up on matters of like internet private si and things like this. but the point is, wolf, that once you put the russian forces in there, you will further incentivize volunteers to come in to support isis. this will be a war against sunni islam. my sunni islam friends tell me, confidentially, they say, look, no one's going to fight against hezbollah any way unless they're zelots. we had to use these crazy sunni terrorists they're the only ones willing to fight. that's how isis got its start and this will further mobilize
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isis. >> it's sort of pitiful what's going on. the u.s. trying to train moderate syrian rebels to fight isis, a half a billion dollars appropriated for that kind of a mission. and in the end the u.s. military central commander says they maybe trained four or five. four or five. not four or five thousand. four or five. isn't that pitiful? >> wolf, you have to start at the top of this. you have to go back to say who is the political leadership? the problem we've had from syria in the beginning is we haven't had real political leadership. that political leadership needed to be in there on the ground in syria directing the military forces. they didn't. they wouldn't. they complained they couldn't because the u.s. wouldn't provide air cover for them. but in fact, look, in bosnia, never would have held onto ser ya voe -- where is that free syrian leader who's got the courage and the force of
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personality to hold a moderate opposition? >> apparently it doesn't exist. >> i don't know. but that's what we in the united states should be looking for and cultivating. >> and the number of americans trying apparently to get in maybe 250 americans are there right now fighting with isis. how do you stop that? >> well, i think you've got to reach the parents of the young people in the united states. by the way they're probably not all islamic. isis recruiting has reached out beyond muslims to young people simply looking to make a name for themselves and a service for themselves. but you've got to reach the parents. the parents don't appreciate the danger until it's too late. so you've got to see parents have to watch what are my children looking at on the internet? who are they talking to? and why? >> and if the parents suspect something it's pretty hard for a par parent to call the fbi and say i'm worried about my son what he's doing. >> sure. you can't get to the fbi but you can get to the local police, go
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to school authorities, you can go to other community leaders, you can go to your imam, if you're muslim. these people know the connections. i mean, we've been pretty active in terms of u.s. government work with local authorities to try to help local authorities deal with this problem. >> one final question. nato, and you were the former nato supreme allied commander, right now in this whole war they seem to be invisible. >> wolf, this is not a nato issue per se. >> but nato's involved in afghanistan. >> yes. >> why isn't nato involved in trying to crush and destroy this islamic state? >> well, it may come to that. but nato is ultimately a creature of u.s. leadership. where the u.s. doesn't lead, nato doesn't go. the u.s. led nato into afghanistan. >> do you blame president obama for not leading -- >> no, i'm not blaming anybody. >> nato right now as i said is invisible. >> the problem in syria isn't a nato problem. the problem in syria is who is the alternate political leadership? if we had that leadership -- and
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that's not a nato function, then the rest of it would follow. what we could have done perhaps is kault vat that leadership. you know, that's not an easy problem. in world war ii when charles degall emergeds a the leader of the free french, he drove eisenhower crazy. churchill hated him. he was obnoxious and annoying. that's the exact kind of leader syria needs now to impact the conscience and leadership of western nations. >> that leader unfortunately doesn't seem to exist right now. let's see if there's a syrian duh gal but i'm not holding my breath. thanks, general. former nato supreme allied commander. the u.s. upgrading itsz nuclear bombs in europe. russia threatening to make moves of its own. how dangerous is this latest disagreement? and president obama and president putin they're meeting behind closed doors this hour here at the united nations. we're waiting for the first pictures to emerge from those
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talks. first time in two years they've met each other face-to-face. you're going to see those pictures. we're going to give you all latest breaking news. stay with us here in "the situation room." everyone needs protein, every day. there are more than 20,000 different proteins in the human body. they fuel our energy, support our metabolism, amplify our performance and recovery. they're essential for good health. your body's best source for protein? gnc. now get the world's best protein formulas at an astounding price. buy any gnc protein powder and get 1 half off. everyone needs protein, every day. and now all gnc protein powders are buy 1, get 1 half off. only at gnc.
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while president obama and putin are wrangling over syria and ukraine this hour, their first face-to-face meeting in two years, there's another dispute brewing. the united states is planning to upgrade its aging nuclear weapons arsenal in europe and russia is clearly not happy. brian todd is looking into this for us. what are you finding out, brian? >> tonight vladimir putin is
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outright angry about this nuclear upgrade. he sees this as the u.s. and nato ratcheting up a posture towards russia. there's serious concern tonight over what putin might do in response. vladimir putin's government outraged tonight vowing, quote, countermeasures against what it believes is america's aggression with nuclear weapons. pressed by cbs's "60 minutes" about russian forces in ukraine, putin angrily turned the tables. >> translator: american tactical nuclear weapons are in europe. let's not forget that. what does this mean? does it mean that you occupy germany or you've transformed occupation forces into nato force sns. >> reporter: the kremlin angry filing a report on a german tv station saying providing upgraded nuclear bombs to europe. >> this is the new nuclear gravity bomb. this is the new version of it. there are already old versions of the b-61 bomb in europe.
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they're in turkey and they're in italy. and they are in germany and netherlands and belgium. >> reporter: what caused putin's alarm? the new report that germany is refitting its tornado attack planes to accommodate the upgraded bombs. analysts hans christiansen from a group that wants nuclear weapons arsenals reduced says the new bombs, the b-6112s will be unveiled in 2020 with a significant new feature. >> the new is in the tail kit, which is a guided tail kit with fins that can steer the bomb more accurately toward its target. and no nuclear bomb that's actually dropped from a plane has that, right? >> no. this is the first guided nuclear gravity bomb in the u.s. arsenal. >> reporter: each of the upgraded bombs christiansen says are three to four times more powerful than the nuclear bomb dropped on hiroshima. pentagon officials tell cnn they've long said they had planned to refresh the nuclear arsenal they already have but are not adding weapons with new capabilities. and they point out the u.s. has
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already significantly cut its nuclear stockpile. but a key question tonight, how will russia respond to america's enhanced nuclear bombs? one analyst says putin may place more of his weapons into a sliver of land russia controls wedged between u.s. allies poland and lithuania. >> mr. putin is trying to buy muscular action intimidate the west. and using that sort of logic he may decide to put additional nuclear capacity in different parts of russia. in crimea which is of course not part of russia but they claim it. >> now, the u.s. and russia are not the only places in danger in this nuclear showdown. analysts point out many of those newly outfitted american nuclear bombs are going to be stored here at insurlick air base in turkey only about 60 miles away from the syrian border. an area where isis is active where there's a lot of fighting with isis in a region where terrorist attacks from other groups are common place.
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wolf, it's a real concern about the storage of those nuclear weapons that are being upgraded. >> it's really frightening, brian. when you think about it those nuclear bombs in incirlik and turkey, how secured are they? >> they're stored in underground vaults and still building a double security fence because of all the violence not far away. again, 68 miles from the syrian border. christiansen says there's going to be about 50 american thermo nuclear bombs stored right here and those numbers are not expected to change. u.s. officials will never confirm nor deny where nuclear weapons are or how they're secured. that's what we're hearing from analysts. some real concern about those nuclear bombs right there at incirlik. >> so frightening to just be reporting about enhanced nuclear weapons capabilities going on right now in europe. brian, thank you. let's bring in our counterterrorism analyst phil mudd, former cia official and
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julia yaffe writes for "new york times" magazine and foreign policy magazine as well. phil, how much could tensions escalate right now especially given reports of u.s. nuclear upgrades in europe? >> i think tensions may escalate, but not because upgrades. i see upgrades as standard operating procedure for america and its allies. what we're seeing is putin the aggressor, aggressor in crimea creating bases in syria now trying to portray the americans as the people who are causing the problems. i see this as putin trying to position himself to take further action maybe positioning forces himself in the region and then painting the americans as the people who caused him to take the action. >> julia, what do you think putin's calculations are here in making these various moves and threats? >> you know, i'm going to agree with phil. putin has been updating his nuclear and his traditional arsenal for many years now. and he has -- you know, when news like this breaks he can't
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not react. he can't say that this is not unacceptable, that this is you know, warmongering by the u.s. it plays into this knee owe soviet image he has that it's russia defending the peace even in places like ukraine. remember the line there from moscow was that they were defending the russian speaking minority from a fascist -- sponsored by the u.s. and cia. so this is of that line, that the u.s. is warmongering, saber rattling and russia's just trying to maintain the peace. >> what is a tactical move like this, phil, tell you what the u.s. calculations might be? >> i don't think the u.s. has many calculations here. if we portray this as a chess match, we move a pawn that has upgraded some nuclear forces in europe. but the russians have taken our queen, king and the rest of the board. they have embarrassed us i think in syria. we do not have a way forward.
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secretary kerry has got to figure out a way i think to engage the russians because now that they have this alliance with the iranians and the iraqis, we have nobody on our side except a few dozen moderate forces on the ground. they beat us in crimea. they embarrassed us i think in ukraine. the americans have to step back in the conversation with the president of york might have something to do with this say the russians are taking us at every turn. how do we outmaneuver them? >> take a look at this picture, julia. this is a photo just occurred at the top of this meeting. first meeting in two years between putin and president obama. you see that grip, that handshake right there. we're going to get the videotape momentarily. we'll have a chance to assess what's going on. but clearly it comes on the heels of russia's increased role in syria right now. what do you think they're trying to do? >> they look like best friends there, don't they? like age old buddies. you know, i'm going to agree with phil who is in some ways channelling the russian
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thinking. you know, that this is a kind of zero sum contest in the middle east between russia and the u.s. in some ways the u.s. and russian interests kind of dove tail unintentionally. the u.s. is very hesitant about getting sucked in to this civil -- very bloody, messy civil war in syria. russia sees the u.s. hesitating and some ways pulling back and sees an opportunity for itself to project power in the region that it has lost in the course of the arab spring after the 2003 invasion of iraq by the u.s. so they see a vacuum. they see an opportunity to act. they see an opportunity to act like a power broker that they've always wanted to be. putin has long railed against a unipolar order that he does not like the fact that after the cold war there's one player in town calling the shots, that's the u.s. he wants to be another shot caller for lack of a better term. >> julia, these pictures that
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we're showing our viewers now, the start of this meeting between presidents putin and obama, how does it play in russia? when you see the president of the united states shaking hands with the president of russia, does that help putin domestically, does it hurt him domestically? you're an expert in this area. >> well, it does make him look kind of short i got to say. that said i think it does play well in russia. it goes to my previous point that russia wants to be a power broker in the world, not just in the former soviet republics or areas on its border so-called sphere of influence. it wants to be a big player on the world stage, somebody that you come to, that you need to talk to, that you need to cut deals with to solve things very far from its borders. so the fact that the kremlin can now show that president obama had to meet with putin in order to fix the syrian conflict, of course that goes to show that vladimir putin is a very
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important person. that, you know, that makes the world spin. >> yeah. i'm sure it does play like that. phil, do you think that the russians actually could help in this war against isis? >> heck yes. i'd say big time. if you look at who the russians have on their side, they're on the ground with drone surveillance in syria, they're a close ally obviously on the front lines with the syrian military. that's great intel that the syrian military would be collecting. they're in line with the iranians. the iranians friends hezbollah are a close ally as well fighting on the ground in syria. also they have on the border the iraqis. they've got the biggest players in the region. hezbollah, syrians, iranians and iraqis. they got a straight flush if you will. we've got a pair of 10s. we got the jordanians, turks, if you want intel on the ground, you want the people in the fight. and they've got the people in the fight on their side collecting intelligence. >> we're only seconds away from getting the video. here it is.
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i want you to watch the video. let's watch the body language. we'll watch presidents putin and obama. they walk in to this photo op. let's just listen. >> thank you very much. >> how about a timeline, mr. president? >> all right. so there you have it. they came out, they shook hands. there was a photo opportunity. they heard the questions coming in from the reporters. they walked right out. phil, what did you make of that? >> what i make of it is they don't have any answers. if you have an answer of how you cooperate in syria when the americans haven't quite figured out how to get out from behind the eight-ball that is supporting a few of the moderates and realizing the moderates will never be in the game big time. if they're trying to figure out what to do in europe when the americans couldn't figure out how to oppose putin in crimea, i don't think they have answers to the question, so why take the questions? >> they certainly didn't take any questions. they heard the questions. julia, the body language from
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what you saw what was your conclusion, if anything? >> i'm amazed they came out to do that handshake at all. if anything it underlines the fact that they probably talked past each other. if i were to hazard a guess, obama probably thought correctly that putin was lying to his face and they don't have much to discuss. but he had to try to talk to him. you got to keep talking, right? you can't just freeze people out indefinitely. and then they shook hands for our benefit to confirm that this meeting happened. and the fact that they had nothing, like absolutely nothing to say to anybody after this i think is very telling. >> they both addressed the u.n. general assembly separate discussions earlier in the day. we're going to stay on top of this story. guys, don't go too far away. up next, a very different story we're following. donald trump, he unveils his tax plan today saying half of all americans would pay nothing. and even the very wealthy would pay less. but why would americans have to write to the irs saying, quote, i win?
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the gop presidential race is tightening. the latest poll shows ben carson pulling just about even with donald trump. but as his rivals gain ground, trump is making a splash today by unveiling his tax plan which would slash income taxes for individuals and businesses. cnn's joe johns reports.
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>> the economy is what i do well. >> reporter: donald trump back in the spotlight tonight unveiling his much-anticipated tax reform proposal. >> i think you'll see we have an amazing code. it will be simple. it will be easy. it will be fair. it's graduated. as you get up in income, you pay a little more. >> reporter: under trump's plan individuals making less than $25,000 and couples earning less than $50,000 would pay no income tax and send back a one-page form to the irs saying, i win. as for the wealthiest americans such as trump himself, singles earning more than $150,000 and households making more than $300,000 would see their tax rate cut from nearly 40% to 25%. >> this is actually a tax reduction. a big tax reduction. including for the upper income. i believe that the economy will do so well that even though they won't be getting certain deductions, which aren't fair
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for them to be getting, that they'll end up doing better. >> reporter: trump's tax proposal resembling the plans of two of his rivals, jeb bush and marco rubio, who also call for lowering the top income tax bracket and reducing rates for businesses. the billionaire candidate says any lost revenue would be offset by growing the economy and ending tax loopholes for wealthy hedge fund managers. but no specifics were provided to judge that claim. >> i actually believe they'll do better because i think the economy will grow. it will grow rapidly. and we'll have something very special. >> reporter: trump's policy roll outcomes as ben carson surges in the polls. now running neck and neck with the real estate mogul. >> i'm just going to be who i am. if people like that, that's great. and if they don't, so be it. >> reporter: carson climbing to 20% in the latest nbc news/"the wall street journal" poll essentially tied with trump at 21%. also moving up, carly fiorina and marco rubio tied for third at 11% a piece.
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rubio, who's become a fresh target for trump, swinging back. >> look, i'm not interested in the back and forth to be a member or part of his freak show. >> reporter: rand paul also getting in on the action. >> how could anyone in my party think that this clown is fit to be president? >> reporter: carson's rise comes even as he continues to face questions about his controversial remarks last week that a muslim should not serve as president. >> you're assuming that muslim americans put their religion ahead of the country. >> i'm assuming that if you accept all the tenants of islam, that you will have very difficult time abiding under the constitution of the united states. >> okay. >> this interview is over. >> now, that interview was cut short by the carson campaign, but the discussion continues. and frankly it hasn't hurt him either in the polls or the pocketbook since he made his comment about a muslim president the campaign tells me he brought in about $500,000, $600,000 from
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first-time donors to political campaigns, wolf. >> all right, joe johns reporting for us. thank you. coming up, donald trump says he may end up paying even more under his own new tax plan. he talks about that with cnn. he talks about taxes, his rough and tumble campaign style. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice.
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donald trump unveiled his tax plan today saying half of americans would pay no income tax but what about the billionaire himself? cnn's erin burnet sat down live with him. >> it's interesting when you see that you have half of americans paying no tax and talked about how it used to be income taxes were paid by the top 1% of americans. you might think of it as a bernie sanders plan. this is far from that. this is about tax cuts, tax cuts and saying billionaires would pay more but when it comes to himself, maybe not. here he is. >> i will probably end up paying more money, but at the same time, i think the economy will do better so i'll make it up
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that way, but i will probably end up paying more money, i believe, in the end i might do better because i really believe the economy -- >> betting on growth. >> that's the bottom line, wolf. he's depending on growth. a classic republican supply side plan. he believes he can cut taxes. don't have to raise them anymore significantly. the cut itself will spur growth. that is the bet. >> you also talked to him, erin, about his style of political combat through h campaign. what did he tell you? >> he had a frank conversation about this. i said look, you call people losers and a lot of people think that's not the way someone who is the temperament to be president of the united states would talk, would you call vladimir putin a loser? he said no. here is how for the first time, wolf, heed admitted his words we childish. >> when people say the temperament question, they say look, this is a guy he'll call someone a loser, he'll say something -- >> this is a campaign. >> they say that's childish and
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not the temperament of a president. >> probably is a little childish but this is a campaign and usually, you know better than anybody, i'm responding to them. i'm a counter puncher. every single instance i've hit, for instance, walker was nice to me and hit me and i hit him back. all of these guys, rubio was very nice to me. couldn't have been nicer. all of a sudden ago a week ago -- >> so you're saying you're not going to talk about vladimir putin -- >> i actually say the opposite. >> wolf, he actually took vladimir putin eastsi's side on. bill clinton a lot more coming up at 7:00. >> look forward to it. thank you very much 7:00 p.m. eastern. coming up here "in situation room." putin, you see the video tensions high over syria, isis,
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking news, super power standoff, president obama and vladimir putin meet face-to-face amid their open and bitter disagreement over the war in syria. will their meeting lead to any progress? i'll speak to a leading obama critic, tom cotton. mission impossible? failures of the u.s. strategy to train and equipped moderate syrian rebels prompting putin to
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mock how the program is produced and the pentagon is scrambling as american weapons fall into terrorists hands. can this effort be salvaged? trump tax cut, a plan to drastically cut income taxes. will millions of tax filers simply say i win? and clinton's 2016 take, former president bill clinton opens up to cnn about the race for the white house and his wife's quest to become the country's first woman president. who is he blaming for the controversies dogging her campaign? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer at the united nations. you're in ""the situation room."" we're following the breaking
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news, the first one on one meeting between president obama and russian president vladimir putin in two years. they have been holding talks right here at the united nations where the two leaders earlier addressed the general assembly in speeches that under scored the deep and frosty divide over the war in syria and how best to take on isis. we're following the strong defense of the nuclear agreement by the country's president. in his u.n. speech he said the deal created a new environment for global diplomacy and called it quote, a victory over war and in an interview with cnn, he's indicating a prisoner exchange with the united states might be possible at the same time iran made a deal with iraq to share intelligence on the fight against isis and also with russia and syria. the agreement increasing u.s. concern about russia's rapid military buildup in syria and appears to confirm suspicions of cooperation between baghdad and
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mosc moscow. covering that with correspondents and guests including senator tom cotton member of intelligence and armed services committee. jim sciutto begins our coverage. jim is with me over here at the u.n. first of all, jim, what are you finding out about this meeting that's going on right now between president's putin and obama? >> the meeting underway. syria at the top of the agenda judging by the stiff handshake before the meeting, the less than enthusiastic toast earlier in the day but more importantly, the vastly different rhetoric we heard from the general assembly earlier today, competing speeches by president obama and president putin. you see very different views of the situation on the ground there. the question is can the two sides find common ground? a tense meeting between the u.s. and russian presidents with syria at the top of the agenda. earlier, president obama took to the u.n. stage to make an i'm passioned defense hailing
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progress with iran and cuba. >> we, the nations of the world cannot return to the old ways of conflict and co-horgs. the united states is prepared to work with any nation, including russia and iran to resolve the conflict. >> reporter: still, president's obama and putin sharing a toast sounding unlikely partners in peace. obama calling bashar al-assad a tyrant. >> when a dictator slaughters tens of thousands of his own people, that is not just a matter of one nation's internal affairs. >> president putin a bull mark against terrorism. >> translator: we think it is an enormous mistake to refuse to cooperate with the syrian government and its armed forces who are fighting terrorism face-to-face. >> reporter: and missing from either speech, specifics on bridging the differences to end
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the fighting and flood from ref pew gees. the two leaders were apart on ukraine. president obama calling the occupation ocho challenge to peace worldwide. >> we cannot stand by when it is flagrantly violated and happens without conkesequence in ukrain it could happen to any nation here today. >> reporter: he described so-called democratic revolutions in the mideast and beyond with grave consequences. >> translator: do you realize now what you've done? >> reporter: president obama recalled his recent diplomatic successes with cuba and iran as a defense of the possibilities of diplomaciediplomacies, decad hostility and yet, you had agreements. the yes question is on syria, a the differences so great you can't find common ground and you
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heard in the phrase from president obama, manage transition from bashar al-assad. does that manage the window to satisfy the russians or get out soon enough to satisfy the the u.s.? that's what they are talking about across that table here right now, wolf, question is do they come to agreement? >> we'll see what they say coming out of the meeting they are having as we speak. jim sciutto, thank you. the president obama speech tied the nuclear deal with iran and called it an example of victory over war. our global affairs correspondent is here, what else did he say about the agreement? >> it's clearly better than sanctions and among nations but could be a pretext for further cooperation within the united states and other countries around the world and for u.s. officials, wolf, the whole idea that the u.s. would cooperate with the syria a little bit more is really important for iran,
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for years the u.s. has shun iran's involvement and other conflicts in the region. now it's talking about iran having a seat at the table, what officials tell me is listen, this could open the door for further cooperation. what the u.s. wants to do is try and harness goodwill from the deal into getting iran to be a more corporative player in the region but say look, we're also positive about the iran deal but until iran implements it, let's not say it's a victory over war because the the jury is still out whether iran is going to implement. they are pretty positive, though, because they really think iran wants to get the sanctions lifted. >> the iran president told christiane amanpour iran might release american prisoners in iran but only in a change for iranians jailed here in the united states, in other words, a prisoner swap. what are you hearing about that?
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>> officials are very coy about that. they don't want to do anything to jeopardize getting americans released but look, secretary kerry didn't give a nod to the fact that talks are on going. he told christiane that there are talks about issues of getting the americans released, getting there price nears -- prisoners but there was a swap for alan gross for the cuban five and the other agents. there is a president here. i think we need to watch this space certainly it's not ripe yet but i do think there are some talks going on very quietly behind the scenes, if not necessarily about a prisoner swap like cold and hard, maybe humanitarian gestures on both sides. >> the u.s. did release some prisoners in exchange for bowe bergdahl, as well. that was a swap as we know,
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thank you. let's get more on this. republican senator tom cotton is joining us. he's from arkansas and a key member of the intelligence and armed services committee. first of all, would you be open to the prisoner swap along those lines, senator? >> no, wolf, i would not. the last time the the president gave a high-profile prisoner swap, we traded five taliban killers and got back bow bergdahl facing trials for deserting his post. the iranians the that we hold were convicted by independent courts under a democratic form of government. iran is holding four americans hostage without due process whatsoever. christian preacher for spreading the gospel of christ. they should have released these americans a long time ago. >> as you know, the iranian president roue his calling thisa victory over war. is that preferable to war having this diplomacy that might wind
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up ending iran's nuclear ambition? >> unfortunately, wolf, i think the nuclear deal is a victory for iran and countries like russia. the president said all along he would address iran's influences throughout the region and what we've seen since the deal was reached is iran is continuing to spread the influence. we have iran cooperating with iraq and russia in syria up ending one of the most long-standing settled bipartisan policies of the last 40 years, to keep russia out of the middle east. that's a dire consequence of the deal. >> in that cnn interview with christiane amanpour, the senator ridiculed republican presidential candidates that oppose the iran nuclear deal and they said they wouldn't even know where tehran is on a map. what's your response? >> i think most could pick out tehran on a map and could pick
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out where he is at most times of the day. >> senator, i want you to stand by, we have more to discuss including this. what happens if in syria, bashar al-assad and his regime and military were to fall? stay with us. much more with senator cotton coming up. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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of the senate intelligence, tom cotton republican of arkansas. we'll talk about the pentagon program to arm and equipped syrian rebels to help the fight against isis, a program that's a stunning, stunning failure but first, let's go to barbara starr. barbara, what's the latest you're hearing over there? >> wolf, so far the pentagon spent about $50 million to train and equip less than 200 syrian rebels. they were supposed to be fighting isis, many wanted to fight assad. there is nothing really to show for the program. french air forces conducted their first air strikes against isis positions in syria but air strikes are not significantly changing the war on the ground. the pentagon now urgently looking for a way to revive it's
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disastrous effort to train and equip rebels to fight isis. >> we are looking at additional opportunities in to train and equip syrian forces that will combat isil. >> after the first group of trained fighters came under attack, another disaster. september 20th, a second group of 70 syrian rebels trained and equipped by the u.s. crossed into syria. that morning 30 of those rebels reunited with their opposition group. but the next day, the commander of the group was told by al qaeda to turnover u.s. provided weapons or be attacked and he did. >> the hope was that the second graduating class would be an improvement. >> now several u.s. military officials tell cnn they are waiting for crucial decisions to be made by the white house.
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one idea, train the rebels to help call in air strikes and help with communications, not necessarily engage in come the bat. the u.s. train and equip program has been racked with crisis since its first group of 54 fighters entered syria. >> they were almost immediately attacked. some of the guys were killed. others were kidnapped or captured. there is speculation at the pentagon some may have defected over. >> then a socking admission of how few of those rebels were left. >> it's a small number, and the ones that are in the fight is, we're talking four or five. >> as i see it right now, this four or five u.s.-trained fighters, let's not kid ourselves, that's a joke. >> it looks like half a dozen u.s. provided trucks, ammunition and nobody is sure what else was turned over to this alibi qaed
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group. right now it is not clear. here at the pentagon officials say what the next steps will be. wolf? >> reminds me of who happened in northern iraq when u.s. trained iraqi forces simply ran away, left u.s. military equipment behind in the face of a few isis guys moving in on iraq's second largest city. disaster there and now another disaster unfolding. thanks, barbara for that report. senator cotton, you're on the armed services committee. you served in iraq. how can the u.s. train and equip troops, moderate rebels in syria who apparently don't want to fight isis? >> wolf, the program today is an utter failure. you heard numbers having four or five troops on the ground or u.s. weapons turned over to al qaeda. this goes to show what happen when is you don't have a strategy and not committed to victory. the president is indecisive and
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not taken action in syria for four and a half years. vladimir putin is decisive and committed to victory and as aircraft and surface to air missiles and main battle tanks in syria. what the united states needs to do is reaffirm our commitment that assad must go and iran and russia cannot be granted a spear of influence in syria and we will not sit down the negotiating table to help broker and want to see assad go. we should help from the very beginning. >> it's a fair point but i spoke to egypt's president at the united nations and he told me bluntly if syria and military were to fall into the hands of the terrorists, all that syrian military equipment would be in the hands of isis, the islamic state and terrorists, as well and that could spill over and impact jordan, lebanon, egypt, israel. that's a possibility, isn't it?
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>> unfortunately, it already is affecting and destabilizing. jordan has 15% of the population are syrian refugees and netanyahu had fly to israel and the first time a prime minister had to worry about the presence of russian vehicles and tanks and aircraft in the middle east in over 40 years. this is inaction and indecision in syria and if assad himself were to go, which would be a good thing for the united states because a bad thing for russia and syria, there would be a multi front fighting effort within syria. probably elements, moderates from syria and outsiders like al qaeda or islamic state and kurds, as well. we cannot concede to russia and iran they will have a client in bashar al-assad and syria after that's the the policy for over
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four years. >> senator cotton, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. just ahead, very different story we're following. donald trump today unveils a plan to slash taxes for most americans including the rich. why is he saying he personally would probably wind up paying more taxes and bill clinton talking to cnn about the race for the white house. who is to blame for his wife's struggles now? will his comments hurt or help her campaign?
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donald trump is unveiling his plan to overhaul the u.s. tax code. the gop candidate is proposing large cuts for most americans including the wealthiest but tells cnn he would probably wind up paying for. sarah murray is joining us with details. sarah, what is trump calling for in terms of income tax? >> well, wolf, when donald trump unveiled the policy, he was selling it as a huge cut for the middle class and will they do stand to benefit, it may be america's richest families that may stand to gain the most. >> these numbers are really spectacular. >> reporter: tonight, donald trump delivering more policy
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propels, unveiling a plan that slashes taxes for the wealthy. but this still looks like a big tax cut even for those at the temperature -- >> this is actually a tax reduction, big tax reduction including for the upper income. >> reporter: under trump's plan, individuals earning less than $25,000 and married couples earning less than $50,000 would pay nothing. new trump also gives the wealthiest americans like himself, a huge tax break cutting the rate from nearly 40% to just 25%. the billionaire real estate mogul refusing to share his current tax rate but says he strives to keep it down. >> i fight like hell to pay as little as possible? i'm not a politician. i fight like hell always because it's an expense. >> reporter: trump's plan most closely resembles one of his fiercest gop rivals. bush also calls for sweeping cuts at a top rate of 28% and
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marco rubio to 35%. >> if i win, if i become president, we will be able to cut so much money. >> reporter: others say this is trump's attempt at striking a populous tone as critics slam his interview with cbs saying trump is advocating for universal health care even as he calls for repealing obamacare. >> i am going to take care of everybody. i don't care if it cost me votes or not, everybody is going to be taken care of much better than now. >> reporter: as trump shows how america will look under his leadership, ben carson is climbing in the polls essentially tied with trump in the wall street journal survey. carson surge comes as he continues to face questions about his comments last week that a muslim shouldn't be president. >> so you are saying that there is something specific about being a muslim that you have to reject islam in order to be a president? >> well, you have to -- you have
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to reject the tenants of islam, yes, you have to. >> now, wolf, a big question donald trump is facing now is how much will this tax plan cost? he says it will be deficit neutral, a number of experts i talked to today say they think it will come with a hefty price tag. >> sarah, thanks very much. >> let's get more from our chief political analyst gloria borger, jeff zelleny and gloria, making his announcement trump said this is my wheelhouse, that's what i do well but in comparison to other candidates tax plan, does his stand out? >> his tax plan is like jeb plus and probably a smart thing for donald trump to do. jeb bush announced his tax plan and trump has lower brackets, lower corporate tax rate and so he's sort of one ups jeb and
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it's in keeping with republican orthodox, it also attacks wall street, which is very popular these days, as you know in both democratic party and republican party. so from trump's point of view, he looks like a republican whose a bit more populous and anti wall street and there isn't anything wrong with that if you run in the primary, wolf. >> probably right. trump usually shines when speaking off the cup but today we saw him sticking basically to the script. what does that tell you about his confidence level, if anything, right now? >> it's unmistakable, wolf. trump is on a downward slide in polls. certainly still in front in most of the polls but as sarah noted in her piece, he's neck and neck with ben carson right now and part of it has to do with a lot of questions about where he stands on key policy issues. i mean, you saw in the 60 minutes interview last night, he was speaking off the cuff then and he really was rambling a lot
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of times and a lot of times positions that sounded like he was a democratic candidate and opened up to a lot of criticism. clearly, this has to be part of donald trump's calculations to stick closer to the script and be a more polished candidate. we'll see, though, if he's able to stick to that in the coming weeks. >> jeff, let's take a closer look at the nbc news wall street journal poll, trump, dr. ben core son ne carson neck and neck. trump is down, senator rubio and carly fiorina are up. fiorina seeing the largest jump. what do these candidates need to do now to continue building that kind of momentum? >> wolf, not all candidates are building momentum, actually. jeb bush to start with, look at him in the poll has take an slide since the last survey. let's talk about the ones that are. marco rubio is emerging as a compromised conservative
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candidate. he had a very good debate performance a couple weeks ago in california during our debate and he, a lot of people saw him during that, of course, some 24 million people and doing well. it depends how he fairs in this really back and forth fight with donald trump. donald trump is decided that marco rubio is his latest sort of villain, if you will or target. he's calling him a kid and says he sweats a lot. rubio is trying to stay out of the fray and said today on npr, he's not going to be sucked into this trump freak show, in his words, not mine. it will be interesting to see how rubio navigates this. this is not good for jeb bush into the end of the third quarter here that ends on wednesday, the end of september, donors are getting nervous and agitated wonder whing what is happened. for ben carson, it clearly shows voters are open to a candidate whose not elected before. we'll see where they end up how this tax plan plays out.
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this is donald trump putting more meat on the bones, we'll see if they like how it tastes. >> wolf, i want to echo who jeff is saying about jeb, back in june, he was a 22 points in the polls. july 14 now seven. if you've invested $100 million in jeb bush, you're kind of wondering where your money has gone. the problem jeb has right now is that he's nobody's real second choice. people who want jeb say okay, he's my number one then looking to other candidates as their second choice, marco rubio for example is a lot of people's second choice but jeb is not a consensus for number two, which would take him higher. it's a problem he's got and as you know, it's against the dynamite candidates and for outsiders and new candidates like marco rubio and that hurts
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jeb, as well. >> representative kevin mccarthy, majority leader in the house says he'll run for speaker now that john boehner has quit. you've been talking to your sources. what do they say? >> kevin mccarthy is really in the prime position to lock this up. he's the heavy favorite right now. conservatives are weighing whether or not to get behind him, particularly the conservatives in the house freedom caucus who hold roughly 30 votes or so on the house floor and if they decided to ban together to vote against kevin mccarthy, that could present a problem for him to actually move forward to win the speakership. that will be a challenge, getting some members on the house freedom caucus to support his bid. right now it appears that he probably has more support than john boehner did but there is still a lot of time, at least he's going to have to really tell people how he envisions
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speaker ship being different than john boehner's because you're hearing folks saying well, he's number two under john boehner, will he be just another version of the ohio republican who of course had to leave on friday and announce resignation under pressure from conservatives that felt he was not confrontational enough but not just the white house but senate, as well. >> stand by, gloria, jeff, stand by. just ahead, hillary clinton talks to cnn about the controversies shattering his wife's campaign and he talks about donald trump. stay with us. so you're a small business expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep it all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberry apple scones smell about done. ahh, you're good.
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bill clinton is speaking out about the controversies surrounding his wife as she seeks the presidential tom nation. listen to what he told fareed zakaria. >> there will be a new president in '17, january, some say you're the most skilled student in american politics. why do you think hillary clinton is having a tougher time than many imagined? the lead in the national polls narrowed iowa and new hampshire seem tough. >> i think you know why. i think you know why.
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1992 i received a call before -- in '91 before i started running for president from the bush white house. he said we looked at the field, you're the only one that can win. the press has to have someone every election. we're going to give them you. you better not run. all of a sudden, something nobody thought was an issue, white water that turned out never to be an issue was a $70 billion investigation and all the hammering happened and you asked voters, do you really believe this? this amounts to anything? do you trust him as much? no. there must be something. this is just something that has been a regular feature of all of our presidential campaigns, except in 2008 for unique reasons. ever since watergate, something like this happens. i'd rather it happen now than later. and it was always doing to
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happen. the other party doesn't want to run against her and if they do, they'd like her as mangled up as possible and they know that if they leak things and say things that that is catnip to the people who get bored talking about what's your position on student loan relief ordeali dea with the shortage of mental health care. we're seeing history repeat itself and i actually am amazed that she's born up under it as well as she has but i have never seen so much ex pended on so little. there is a shocking number of reputable press people who have explained how you can't receive or transmit classified information, how the government has no central authority for classification, that defense, state, and the intelligence agencies have their own.
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there are a lot of really fine things, just that they don't seem to show up on television much and it is what it is. i think she went out and did her interviews, said she was sorry that using her personal e-mail caused all this confusion and she'd like to give the election back to the american people. and i trust the people. i think it will be all right. but it's obvious what happened. you know, at the beginning of the year, she was the most admired person in public life, and she earned it. why? because she was being covered by people who reported on what she was doing. the new star treaty, the iran sanctions. tripling the number of people on aids getting medicine for no more tax money. america -- when she left office, the approval rating was more than 20 points higher than it had previously been. what happened? the presidential campaign happened. and nature of the coverage
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shifted from issue-based to political. it happened. this is a contact sport. they are not giving the job away, and people who want a race wanted her to drop some, and the people in the other party desperately wanted it because she's already put out more positions on more issues and said how she would pay for them, i think, than all the others combined based on the republicans, based on the two debates that i saw. >> but you think it's a republican plot, really? >> no, i'm not going there. it's not a plot, makes it sound like it's a secret. no, i think that that there are lots of people who wanted there to be a race for different reasons. and they thought the only way they could make it a race was a full scale frontal assault on her and so this e-mail thing
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became the biggest story in the world. >> let's get analysis. gloria borger, your reaction? this a good defense put forward by the former president? >> i thought it was really revealing, wolf. hillary clinton may have apologized for this and for the whole e-mail controversy and having the server in the basement, but bill clinton is not apologizing for anything, and what he's using is the same defense we've seen over the years because he says they have had the same problem, which is that it is our enemies who are doing this to us. it's become a regular feature of our campaign and said it's not a plot because it's not a secret but there you have hillary clinton going out and saying i made a mistake, this was wrong, i shouldn't have done it and then you have bill clinton off message there, not saying the same thing but saying, you know, it's the same old, same old so the two messages don't coincide.
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>> jeff, when the former president goes out on the campaign trail, speaks for his wife, does it help her? because i remember eight years ago, seven years ago in this case there were moments when it didn't necessarily help her. >> no question, wolf. we remember the moments well. during the primary fight when he got into back and forth about barack obama's experience and couldn't get his mind around the fact that young senator obama was beating her, i think it's slightly different this time. i do think that bill clinton is overall a net positive. yes, he comes with a little baggage, no doubt about it but democrats still like to hear from him. he still offers up the best defense of anyone really in the democratic party, if he sticks to policy and other things but i don't think this sour grapes victim card is what she needs right now. but i do think that he'll be starting more campaigning coming up. he's going to appear before the west virginia democratic party and doing other fundraisers.
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i think by and large many he talks about what she'll do for the country, that is good. not about the blaming, the blaming is not what voters, at least democrats i talked to really want to hear this year, wolf. >> do his words indicate how confident or worried the clinton team might be? >> they are very frustrated, wolf. this is almost october. this e-mail controversy broke in march and we're still talking about it. it's taking her so completely off message and obviously hurt her standing significantly in the polls, so clearly, there is some concern in clinton head quarters and trying to figure a way to do that, which is why they are sending the former president on the campaign trail. the problem as gloria suggested, they are moving, going from
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message to message and it's so hard to explain this e-mail issue to people when there are all these questions, legitimate questions raised about her e-mail use and the old add age, if you're explaining in politics, you're losing and that's the problem for the clintons right now. >> we're seeing more of hillary clinton doing interviews and her husband doing some interviews. it's potentially significant move on the part of the campaign. >> yeah, i think it's smart, you know, to put hillary clinton out there more. actually, she should debate all the time. she's a terrific debater. the more you get out there and do interviews, the better you are and i would argue she has gotten better, more relaxed, more converse and the more people see her, i think the more used to her they may get. the problem with hillary clinton is, that her words are parsed like nobody else's and she understands that, so she self-edits. if she's out there more, she can
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be more . >> all right, guys, thanks very much. be sure to join erin burnett at the top of the hour, her interview with donald trump on "outfront." plus, cnn will host the first democratic presidential debate on october 13th in las vegas, nevada. more news, right after this. everyone needs protein, every day. there are more than 20,000 different proteins in the human body. they fuel our energy, support our metabolism, amplify our performance and recovery. they're essential for good health. your body's best source for protein? gnc. now get the world's best protein formulas at an astounding price. buy any gnc protein powder and get 1 half off.
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they are among the countless victims of isis, members of the religious minority attacked, massacred and enslaved in an assault that shocked the world.
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now some of them are getting the help they desperately need. cnn senior international correspondent ivan watson has the exclusive story. you were there when the brutal isis assault was unfolding. update our viewers on what is happening now. >> well, wolf, the yazidis have been a real target of isis who view them as infidels. in addition to forcing them from their homes, they enslaved thousands of women and girls that they kidnapped. and some of these women have succeeded in escaping with horrifying experiences. and we saw a group of them who are seeking refuge. they are dressed mostly in black, the color of mourning. women's who faces we will not
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show to protect their privacy. they receive a final blessing from their spiritual leader. >> translator: what isis did to you will not happen again, the patriarch says. stop wearing black. it will only remind us of what we have suffered. >> reporter: iraq is the homeland of yazidis. the kurdish controlled north, a yazidi sanctuary. i'm deep in the site of the holy site for the yazidis. they have a long and painful history of persecution but no one could imagine the assault they faced at the hand of isis starting in 2014. a little more than a year ago, isis militants attacked sinjar,
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where they allegedly mass occurred more than 3,000 yaz zeed deyazidis and captured 5,0 more. >> we are all traumatized now. >> reporter: yazidi activist has interviewed more than 1,000 former yazidi captives of isis. >> they were sex slaves and were in captivity and they were beaten, tortured by isis fighters. they have ptsd and we have no instruments here in iraq to help them. >> reporter: this month, 66 yazidi women and children began the long journey to germany. they emerged from the temple barefoot, as is the custom on this sacred ground.
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among those leaving, 15-year-old sabar. i'm both happy and sad to go, he says. isis killed my dad, my cousins and uncles and kidnapped 25 relatives, including women. sabar's uncle shows photos of family members that were murdered. not pictured was his 16-year-old sister who was enslaved by isis for three months before she escaped. her family will get a chance at a new life in germany. but that does not make saying good-bye any easier. go ahead, get on the bus, his uncle tells his nephew. this is the agony of the yazidis. attacked because of their faith with thousands still in modern day slavery, survivors left with little choice but to say farewell to their homeland. now, wolf, a state government in
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germany has agreed to take up to 1,000 of these former female and child prisoners of isis and give them free housing, psychiatric treatment for their terrible traumas that they've endured and schooling as well and residence for up to two years. but there are still thousands of people, women, girls believed to be in isis captivity, an isis modern day slavery. so this is one of the crimes that that armed faction appears to be succeeding in getting away with. and the bigger crime is the effective excellenci effective cleansing of the yazidis who are defenseless as well. they have no militia to defend them. the cleansing of them from their ancestral homeland. wolf? >> ivan watson, thank you so much for sharing this story with us. thank you.
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