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endured. i just want to start a new life, he says. i want my family to stay safe and to stay together. one of the few times the 15-year-old really smiles is when i ask her whatshe'd like to do to the men from isis who attacked her family. >> translator: i would stomp on their heads and kill them. >> reporter: this girl may have escape ued to live another day, but her innocence has been forever lost. ivan watson, cnn, iraqi kurdistan. the news continues next on cnn. thank you, wolf. great to be with you on this tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin, you're watching cnn. we have breaking news involving this urgent situation involving a woman in georgia. here's what we have learned.
a vatican representative has sent a letter on behalf of the holy father himself, pope francis, asking georgia prison officials to spare the life of a woman set to be executed within just a couple of hours. this will be the first woman to be executed in the state of georgia in 70 years. she's been on death row for two decad decades. a jury found this mother of two guilty in the 1997 murder of her husband. she convinced her boyfriend, her lover to actually commit the murder itself. he, by the way, is away for life in prison. the state parole board has been meeting for the past couple hours. martin savidge has been monitoring this for us. also john allen. john, if i may begin with you first. i glanced at this letter that has gone to this clemency board
and even through the arch diocese of atlanta. how rare is this for them to reach out this way? >> hi, brooke, it's actually not rare at all. whenever the pope visits the country that still has a death penalty and an execution scheduled, it's standard practice for the pope to reach out and try to ask can for clemency. i remember when john paul, now saint john paul was in the united states in 1999. he visited st. louis. at the time there was a death row inmate scheduled for executi execution. that trip u he was at the pope's mass. john paul asked the governor to spare his life, which he actually did. he's now still alive. >> so the letter was successful?
>> this is a standard gesture from the pope. you will remember when pope francis spoke to congress, he asked for the abolition of the death penalty and this would be a kind of concrete extension of that position. >> it is interesting, john, as you point out how he did make that note at the joint session of congress and just read iing e language of the letter, i implore you to commute the sentence to one that would better express justice and mercy but the fact the pope was just here and we're talking about this letter currently and that the letter was successful. >> there's at least one instance where this kind of papal request has been granted. it remains to be seen what officials will do with it. the catholic church has a long history of opposing the death penalty. as far back as 1969 that pope paul urged the abolition of the
death penalty. i think the interesti ining thi as you say, is that pope francis was just in the united states and was widely hailed by political authorities up and down the country. this is the first test as to whether those people cheering the pope's presence are going to be willing to act on his concrete agenda. >> martin, i'm looking at my clock, three hours, that's how long -- three hours ago is when they started meeting this morning. what's the word as far as potential clemency is concerned? >> we don't really know. we know that some family members and apparently her children have spoken and requested clemency be granted to their mother. at the same time, there have been the submission from the
parents of douglas gisen daner request that this execution go forward. you need to remember that there was no clemency granted to him when his murder was carried out at the request and apparently the order of kelly. it's no longer family speaking. it's the attorneys. the attorneys are going to argue the co-conspirator in the case shs the guy that did the murder, he got life with the opportunity for parole. how is this that this woman then does not get that. instead she got the death penalty. she was offered that same plea deal. she turned it down. she says at the advice of her attorney and she got sentenced to death. >> quickly, i understand that her two adult children have been visiting her in that prison in georgia. have you heard anymore color from the prison in this
execution to confirm it's set to happen at 7:00 this evening. >> it is, but what is quite remarkable is the fact that this is the third time this woman has had to prepare herself for her execution. in february she was slated to be execute executed. . that was postponed due to bad weather. then in march when it was rescheduled, it was postponed once more because there were concerns about the effects of the drug. it appeared to be cloudy. they postponed. so now you have this third case. that's why her attorneys have gone to other judges and said this is cruel and unusual punishment to have a person literally prepare for death more than once, but that was actually dismissed by a federal judge yesterday. >> martin savidge, stay in close contact with us. we'll talk to you next hour. the catholic arch die ses is holding a news conference as well in the wake of this letter. thank you so much.
john allen, thank you as well. also happening, an important hearing in the case that puts an entire city on edge with every sort of development here talking about the death of freddie gray. the 25-year-old suffered a spinal injury in april while police were transporting him in this police van. riots, looting, demonstrations, ravaged city neighborhoods, the day of gray's funeral. a judge is meeting with defense teams of the six officers charged in connection with gray's death. we now know five of the six defendants are there in court today. their attorneys want to delay the first trial arguing they need time to now go through this new discovery and evidence. it's not just about when that first trial will happen. also e key here is which of these officers will be tried first. prosecutors would like it to be this man, that is because of a statement officer william porter made that incriminates his
co-defendant. let's go to jean casarez with the details. 5 of the 6 officers in the courtroom today. defense attorneys want this postponement because of this statement or significant discovery issues is u who i read it from the prosecutors. do we know what that is? >> as far as the statement, we heard in open court that porter, who is one of the officers that's charged, that he said something that can be used against some of the other officers. it was not said in open court what that statement was, but the baltimore sun got snippets of statements and it is that porter asked gray in the police van do you need a medic. there was a response, yes, i do and that was communicated to some other officers. but nothing was done at that point. now he also says that he didn't
know if he was joking. he thought gray didn't want to go to central booking and wants to go to the hospital, which is a much more pleasant place to be rather than being booked so he didn't know if he should take him seriously. i got to tell you there's some real excitement around here because this is the first time that these officers have been in court and e we can confirm with our producer in the courtroom, five out of six of the defendants, the former police officers are in court today. a really important hearing because it's scheduling, but yet scheduling of a trial that's supposed to begin in two weeks. and in court we heard last time that william porter, one of the officers, prosecutors wanted to try him first. the defense saying we need more time. 7,000 pages of discovery we heard in open court that they have. beyond that, remember when it was said that she in her office had conducted an investigation during the time the police investigation was going on,
defense say they are entitled to know what that is. that's not work product. the judge seemed to agree with it. the last time i was in court for this hearing. as they get more and more information, they may then ask for that continuance based on just the immense amount of material. >> whether they get the continuance or not, the initial hearing is two tuesdays from now. explain why specifically it is they would like him to be tried first. >> reporter: because of his statement that do you need medical attention, gray saying, yes, i do. when you have these defendants, that statement can be used against some of the other police officers. so if porter is tried first and convicted or acquitted, then that statement can be used and
ask him to testify against the others. >> we'll find out more next hour. jean casarez, thank you so much, in baltimore. next, a billionaire backing donald trump says a blood bath is coming to the american economy. the reason it's surprising. we'll speak live with this rich guy on whether he agrees with that. also one of america's most wanted fugitives captured thanks to cnn's "the hunt." you'll hear from the woman who escaped that torture chamber. and the united states recruiting hollywood script writers and producers to fight isis. hear how, ahead.
the victims of two brothers getting word their captors have been caught after 24 years on the run. he was just arrested in mexico after a story was featured right here on cnn on our series called "the hunt." >> i'm saddened, angry and very surprised that paul jackson has been able to stay out there 23 years. because he's still doing exactly what he did. >> paul jackson is still out there victimizing other women. i don't think he's going to let any of them live to testify against him this time. >> one of his victims just 17 when she was abducted talked to cnn about the horror of her two days in captivity. >> i was addicted to drugs so i was working the streets. i got picked up by a guy and him and his brother ending up kidnapping me and holding me
hostage in their house. i didn't know where i was. brutalizing me for a couple days. then i managed to find a way to get out so i jumped through the window and escaped. there was one window in the house that didn't have bars on the inside. and by accident i saw it and knew it was my only chance for escape. paul jackson is a monster. he's just a monster. he has to regard for women or anybody. >> joining me now is deputy eric wall strom, u.s. marshal service, who helped track paul jackson down. deputy, thank you so much for joining me. you hear this woman describing him in detail.
my question to you is, it was a tip after the hunt aired here on cnn, a tip came in through the show ultimately landed in your office, which led to this guy's capture in mexico. what can you share with me about that tip? >> yes, we did. good afternoon, brooke. with that after about a month or so of digging, working with mexican authorities ended up narrowing down to a location in mexico and it was on monday morning he was walking to work. the little information i have now is he was going to work at an electronics store and was apprehended by mexican authorities early monday morning. >> do we know how long he'd been in mexico, what exactly he was doing? >> that's what we're working on now. working with our counterparts in
mexico to come up with a story line of how long he's actually been down there. my understanding it's been several years. we're actually going to be looking at who may have been helping him. this case is far from over. we're just so happy to find closure for those victims and i know the detectives still working are happy about the arrest and so are we. >> with the victims and reading some of their stories today in the wake of this capture, obviously, some of them did not make it out of these torture chambers, but some of them did. listening to john walsh, he said, listen, some ladies will not be afraid of coming forward and telling their stories. i'm curious to ask you are you seeing any kind of evidence that could potentially lead to murder charges? >> that's something the hillsborough police department would be looking at.
if we did come across something like that, we will be sharing that with detectives. >> congratulations, detective. >> we're so happy, thank you so much. he's now in los angeles. we got him back last night. >> 25 years on the run, unbelievable. thank you so much, sir. i appreciate it. a reminder to all of you you can watch this episode of "the hunt" which focuses on paul jackson today. go to cnn.com. tips are critical here. john walsh says it over and over. if you have a tip, call 1-866-the-hunt. next a billionaire who backs donald trump says income ine equality could result in a blood bash. what are some solutions? we'll discuss, next. everyone needs protein, every day. there are more than 20,000 different proteins in the human body. they fuel our energy, support our metabolism, amplify our performance and recovery.
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donald trump is getting a show of support from a fellow billionaire. carl icon, a man trump said would put in charge of trade deals, is backing trump on a video he posted on his website. it's not all he's doing. he's issuing dire warnings about american companies and the blood bath he says is coming. >> i've seen this before a number of times. i have been around a long time. and then 2000 wasn't pretty. i think a time is coming that might make some of those times look pretty good. i look back and i love this country, but i don't love a lot of the politicians in it. they have taken advantage of the system. and it's just deja vu.
>> carl icon, not exactly a man of the people when it comes to the dollar signs painting a grim picture. let me bring in a man no stranger to this. great to have you on, welcome. >> you are a pretty wealthy guy. about a year ago you gave a ted talk about income inequality and mr. icon says american workers are getting screwed. companies are too focused on boosting their stock price. is he right? >> he's absolutely right. the share of income for people like me and carl icon has gone from about 8% of national income in 1980 to in the low 20% today while the share of income for the bottom 50% of americans has fallen from about 18% to 12%.
and labor shares to be in the 53% and now it's 46%. the difference is largely corporate profits have doubled. so this is a consequence of poli policies that benefit people like me and not like your viewers. >> so along this notion, what made us want to reach out to you today is because we remembered this memo you wrote a year ago. this is to your fellow zillionaires. you wrote this. so i have a message for my fellow fiflty rich for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds. wake up, people. it won't last. if we don't do something to fix glaring inequalities the pitch forks are going to come for us. no society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. you are one of many zillionaires and wondering what kind of
response you got from your fellow members of the zillionaire club. >> when i first started talking about economic inequality, it made fellow zillionaires usually very angry and defensive. people hadn't thought about the question very carefully. but there's broad agreement today it's a problem. now what to do about it, obviously, e creates a different kind of conversation because changing things will involve tradeoffs that people don't want to make. >> are any of them willing to make the trades? >> some of them are. >> i appreciate your honesty. >> and lots of them love to believe and prefer to believe and have talked themselves into that the better i do, the better everyone will do. this is nonsense. cutting taxes for the rich doesn't benefit anybody but the
rich. u be rising wages for typical family absolutely benefits people at the top because the fundamental of capitalism is when workers have more money, businesses have more customers and need more workers. this is why high wage places are robust economic opportunities and low wage places are hell holes. >> do you think that republicans are listening to you and those who agree with your viewpoint? >> no, i think the republican party somehow has gotten itself essentially in hawk to a small number of immensely wealthy donors who actually don't care about the future of the country and don't seem to care about the typical american family. and have promulgated this idea. and sort of the other side of the coin, which is if ordinary
people do better, that will be bad for the country. this idiotic idea that if wages rise, employment will fall despite all evidence to the contrary. even our former speaker john boehner, who often would say if you raise the price of employment, you get less of it. this is just idiotic nonsense and is divorced from what actually happens when you raise wages for workers. >> going back to be fair, there are mega donors on the democrat side, but i hear the point you're throwing down. back to mr. icon, we know he is backing donald trump. you saw the tax plan that trump put out yesterday. he says, listen, this is a guy to bring about change to washington, someone who isn't connected to other interests. i don't know how plugged in you have been, but is that what the country needs? do you think donald trump, a fellow zillionaire, is the guy
for the job? >> well, i do not because i think while there are pop list elements to trump's tax plan, which is a huge step in the right direction for the republican party, i actually don't think that he would make a very good president. i don't think that in general business people make very good political leaders because we business people habituate ourselves to this really much simpler and narrower challenge of running a business in which anyone who doesn't do what we want, we can, as donald trump love to say, fire them. but unfortunately, it makes running a business easy. but running a country, you can't fire the citizens and it makes it much, much harder to get people to do what you want them to do. >> you can't necessarily fire people who are elected who sit in the halls of capitol hill,
but at the same time, americans disagree with you. they see him as this successful billionaire who has tremendously run a number of companies and why not sit in the oval office? >> yeah, but to be clear, not very much americans disagree with me. a double digit percentage of voters prefer him over the other 12 or 20 republican candidates. that is nothing close to to or approaching a majority of americans. you're a great voice. come back, thank you so much for joining e me. thank you sir. >> thank, brooke. next, a disturbing new report suggests the united states is lose iing the fight t
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most importantly, we know there was a letter from pope francis himself essentially imploring this parole board to consider clemency for her. that was denied. when you hear from the family of the man who she had kill ed, thy would argue he never was granted e clemency before his life was taken years ago. the execute set for 7:00 eastern tonight. news in from the war on isis. new report by congressional task force finding the u.s. is losing the recruiting battle to stop americans from traveling abroad to fight alongside isis. it's believed that 25,000 foreign fighters have joined in syria and iraq since 2011. americans including 30 women.
so what will it take to stem the flow of foreign fighters? the state department thinks fighting fire with fire might work. i'm talking about the war off the battlefield. the recruiting success of high production videos prompting the u.s. to turn to hollywood's best producers the deputy social media editor at "the daily beast." welcome. >> the hollywood attendees at this palm springs summit was mark bowl, a screen writer of "zero dark thirty." who else was there and what are they being asked to do? >> the details are sketchy, but
according to to our sources but for anyone taking stock of the propaganda war between western powers, including the united states, it's hard to say we're winning. and the obama administration has tried efforts to sort of staunch the momentum of recruitment to isis. it appears one of the things they are trying out is reaching out to folks in hollywood and entertainment and social media giants to brainstorm ways to form counternarratives to what isis is pushing online and elsewhere. >> so if they are talking to folks at snap chat and hollywood heavy weights, are they trying to push out a counternarrative
using creative geniuses in the form of film? >> that's part of it, but a big part is try ing ing to put them touch with regional film makers in the middle east. who can among other things help create content that emphasizes a different path for youth in the middle east. whether that's what they would say positive narratives including engaging in entrepreneurial work, working in an ngo, engaging in community service. things that my be less thrilling, but less destructive and more constructive than engaging in an or ji of rape and mass murder. >> i think this is an important voice to point out. a former senior counterterrorism adviser who set up the anti-jihadist outreach. one of his quotes, this sort of thing usually ends up with
executives high-fiving each other and throwing around cringe worthy ideas. did he say what he meant? he was throwing cold water on this idea. >> he didn't say exactly, but one example of the state department trying to wield social media to use against jihadists is what many would deem a krcringe worthy idea. on twitter you can find an account called "think again, turn away." it's run out of the state department. the job of people running this is essentially to troll jihad t jihadists on twitter. and tell them whier they are stupid. you may find it not effective. but. >> so that's one example that
hasn't been working. hopefully something can. we have seen these videos have been effective from isis. they have to counter that. thank you so much. >> thank you. next, is it make or break time for republican presidential contender jeb bush. his poll numbers are half of what they were this summer, just two months ago. can he make a comeback? plus he plays, sorry folks, spoiler alert, the president on "house of cards." now kevin spacey weighing in on who would win a debate between donald trump and francis underwood, that's next. rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic, this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me reach for more. doctors have been prescribing humira for more than 10 years.
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at this very moment, republican presidential candidate jeb bush is outlining his energy plan for a crowd there in pennsylvania today. he's pushing for more fracking, less federal regulation, but those who are definitely keeping score here say what really needs to happen here is to see an energy jewsed campaign. the latest poll numbers from "the wall street journal" have him in fifth place getting just 7% of republicans. that is half of what he was polling just two months ago. republican fundraisers have told "the washington post" that right now it's make or break time for jeb bush. so to gloria borger we go. make or break, however you want to phrase this headline, jeb
bush said hang on, it's a marathon. is it make or break? is there truth to this donor panic? >> well, not according to a senior jeb bush adviser. i just got off the phone with h him. he was saying these stories are ridiculous. but he says we're in this for the long haul. we're going to have strong cash on hand at the end of the quarter. he understands that the dynamic right now is between carly fiorina and trump. but he says we are in it for the long haul. our donors have seen this movie before. they went through it with mitt romney and with john mccain and you'll remember john mccain in december of 2007 was at 7% in the polls and he ended up winning the nomination in 2008.
giuliani was the front runner at that time. >> let me ask you about the new polls that came out. these are hypothetical head to heads between had hillary clinton and republican candidates. so every republican does really well against hillary clinton except donald trump. >> it's his unfavorable rating. donald trump has a 58% unfavorable rating. and when you break down those numbers in a bunch of polls we have been looking at, 85% of democrats view him unfavorably. a majority of independent voters view him unfavorably. somebody like carly fiorina or ben carson, who are not as well known, have net favorable ratings so they do better in this kind of matchup. so the problem that trump has as a general election candidate is he has to be better liked. that's why we see him kind of trying to act little bit more
presidential, toning it down, telling erin burnett yesterday, that yes, he might have been a little childish, but this is a presidential race. so i think he sees that problem. he's a smart man. he can read those polls. 58 un. favorable is hard to get away from. thank you very much. speaking of donald trump, the 2016 presidential race is dominated by these outsiders. donald trump is leading the pack but what if another jumped into the fray. dana bash cornered -- he's now president on "house of cards"
and this whole hypothetical trump and underwood matchup. you tell me how you phrase d th question and what he said. >> let me give you the context here and before we get people going after us on twitter. we know that francis underwood is a fictitious character. that was kind of the point. this was in good fun. let's look at what happened and i'll tell you more about it on the other side. >> so you are famous for doing your impressions among other things. are you working on trump? >> i was asked if there was a debate between donald trump and francis underwood who would win that debate. i said i wanted to make sure that the people understood there was a distinction. one is a fictional character and the other is a fictional character. so i think it's important we make that distinction. >> of course, kevin spacey is a democrat so that's also part of
this it. but it was good fun and the context of this is we were talking at an event for a very good cause. >> talk a little bit about that. what brought these people together in the first place? >> kevin spacey has the kevin spacey foundation. i was asked to interview him and kal ripkin, who has the kal ripkin senior foundation named after his father. they do wonderful, wonderful things to help kids in sports and young actors and artists coming up. so i was asked to do kind of a fun interview with the two of them at a local arena stage here at a local theater and raise money for this wonderful cause. that was the context of this. i was very honored and flattered to be asked to do it. >> i love it. i dig it. any time i get to see your face pop up on "house of cards", yes. dana bash, thank you so much.
for weeks republicans demanding that planned parenthood answer for controversial videos. they are getting their chance to grill the woman in charge here. hear the fiery moments and how she responds, ahead. plus paul walker's daughter suing porsche over the fiery crash that killed the actor. she says it's the car that is to blame and not the driver. does she have a case? that's coming up. is your head so congested it's ready to explode?
gissendaner's life. she's set to die at 7:00 eastern time this evening. she will be the first woman in 70 years to be executed in the state of georgia. she's the mother of two. she's been on death row for just about two decades. had to take you back here to 1997. that's when a jury found her guilty in the murder of her husband. she convinced her boyfriend at the time to actually commit the murder. he is in prison for life. let's go life to martin savidge with the news here. obviously the news being we have just learned she has been denied clemency. >> right, and this is the second time this parole board has had to review this case. they are well familiar with it. they said this is the third clemency appeal for this particular woman, but the end result is the same decision. this parole board is made up of
five people, all men, all of them were appointed by republican governors. two of them are former lawmakers and the other three are law enforcement or connected with law enforcement. so that's who makes it up. e we don't know how the vote went. it has to be a majority. the simple answer is that the execution is slated to go forward. there are other appeal attempts being made. last we heard there was one going before the court of appeals, but. the u.s. supreme court already ruled on her case. that happened in 2014. so it's unclear if it would go back to the supreme court again. e we don't know. we'll have to see. there could be more maneuvers legally yet to come. >> as we mentioned, the pope via a representative sent a letter to this board pleading for justice and mercy. these are the words they used. we heard from the arch diocese in atlanta. listen to this. >> why not wishing to minimize the gravity of the crime for
which she's been convicted and while sympathizing with the victims, i nonetheless, implore you in consideration of the reasons that you have been presented to your board to commute the sentence o to one that would better express both justice and mercy. >> let me also read for you a statement that we have just gotten in. this is from the family of doug gissendaner. this was her husband who was killed. in the last 18 years, our mission has been to seek justice for doug's murder and to keep his memory alive. we have faith in our legal system and do believe that kelly has been afforded every right that our legal system affords. as the murder, she's been given more rights and opportunity over the last 18 years than she ever affo afforded to doug, who, again, is the victim here.
it ends with this. she had no mercy, gave him no rights, no choices, nor the opportunity to live his life. his life was not hers to take. let me bring in now jennifer mcbride, an ethics and justice activist who met with kelly not even 24 hours ago. so jennifer, welcome to you. again, you're just hearing this news as we're hearing this news that she has been denied clemency. obviously, you haven't spoken to her since this has come down, but how was she doing at the prison just yesterday? >> yes, yesterday we were living in the unknown. she was, of course, under a great deal of stress and also she was supportive and surrounded by her family, her children, pastors and friends who love her and were supporting her. she was trying to live in the moment. >> was she hopeful that her life would be spared? >> well, we have been talking a
lot about what hope means. and we look to the a friend of her who wrote about hope as living to the promises of god, the promises of restoration and reconciliation. those are ultimate promises that we believe are meant to be made real here on earth. and we knew we didn't have certainties either way. we were just living in the moment. and hoping for life and for clemency. >> i want to ask you about her children who i know were at the prison yesterday as well. i think they are an important part of the story. as we have learned about this letter ultimately from his holiness himself, from the pope, imploring for justice and mercy in this case. when did you learn that the pope tried to step in and your reaction or the family's reaction to that? >> i learned of the pope this
morning. i have not spoken to the family today. but the pope's words are right in line with my christian faith and the christian faith of the many faith leaders who have spoken out that believe that the only way to healing and wholeness is through mercy. that's for everyone. so i'm grateful that the pope has spoken out and we wish that all of our voices would have been heard by the parole board. >> for people watching who aren't as familiar with kelly's story, can you just tell me about we'll call it the evolution of how her children have been? they have only in recent years turned the page and fighting with you all to find that justice and mercy for their mother. can you explain that to me? >> i saw them, yes.
i think that the fact of the reconciliation with her children goes to show the character of kelly and her children that they have done this very hard work. they have all had different journeys towards reconciliation with kelly. they are very much the victims in this case as well. they lost their father. and now they have the horrendous struggle to face watching their mother be killed by the state of georgia today. they have a beautiful relationship with kelly. a new relationship with a mother they didn't have before. >> just quickly do you know if they are opting to be in the room this evening? >> they are not. >> jennifer mcbride, thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you. >> also happening now in the city of baltimore for the first time nearly all those police officers accused in the death of freddie gray are in the courtroom all at once, five out of six of these defendants
showed up today. . all of them are charged after freddie gray died in april from a spinal injury he received while being taken in that prisoner transport van. his death sparked riots and looting and demonstrations in the city. at this moment, a judge is meeting with defense teams. the defense is trying to delay this first trial, which is set for two weeks from today. their argument is they say they need more time to go through new evidence. it's not just about when that first trial will happen. also critical is was of the officers will be tried first and prosecutors would like it to be this man. this is officer william porter. it's because of a statement he made that incriminates his co-defendants, depending on what e he would say, would affect future trials. jean casarez has the details. also with me a defense attorney in baltimore, used to be a
prosecutor. great to see both of you. jean, do we know whether or not the first trial date will be moved? >> reporter: yes, we can confirm now that the first trial is going to be on november 30th. that is a former police officer william porter. the hearing just ended. we just saw some of the defense attorneys leave the building. we don't know if the defendants have left yet, but some of the defense attorneys looked unified, they walked together, they had smiles on their faces. it just feels that they are bonding at this point. but five of the six defendants were in that courtroom today. william porter not there. his trial will be first. we can tell you that november 30th is william porter. following that after the new year, goodson, that is the officer that is charged with second-degree murder, 30 years in prison he's facing. and it is porter that prosecutors want to include a statement he made in some of the
other trials that it was porter that asked gray if he needed medical attention. gray responded, yes, i do. he commute indicated that to goodson, the driver of the van and to also other officers, but the van continued and didn't take him to the hospital. now a caveat to that is that po porter also said he didn't know if he could believe gray or not because there people don't want to go to central booking. but now we know the orders of the trial. the last one will be lieutenant rice, which is on march 9th. so one after the other. but remember, brooke, november 30th is when they will try to get a jury here in baltimore city because the judge did not allow a change of venue at this point. will they be able to get a jury here. will the first defendant want a jury trial or will he ask to be tried by a judge? that's a possibility too. >> presumably, six different juries. andy, here's my question. as jean mentioned, it was the
sixth officer not in the courtroom today who was the one who would be tried first because of the statements he made. why wasn't he at the hearing? >> we don't know why he wasn't there. what we saw unfold today, brooke, is the defense received recently new discovery materials and strategies starting to play out before us. everybody was on october 13th for trial. the judge has already ruled o to split up the cases. so what was happening today is that the first officer that the state wants to try, because the state gets to pick the order and that's this officer porter, and when officer porter goes first, he said we're okay to postpone trying to force the state to go out of its order. all five of the other defendants or their r lawyers stood in court and opposed that. so the defense asked for the first officer and then everybody else said, we're opposed, we're ready and want to go.
the judge said we're going to let the state pick the order. >> so november 30th would be that first trial in the city of baltimore. thank you both so much. >> thank you. just into cnn, erin burnett sat down with former president bill clinton and let loose on donald trump and the possibility he could make it to the white house. plus for weeks republicans demanding that planned parenthood answer for controversial videos. right now they are getting their chance to grill the woman in charge. hear the fiery moments and how she responds, ahead. and the escape from hell. a teenage girl manages to survive a face-off with isis and her escape is caught on video. cnn catches up with that teenage girl, we have that story coming up. before earning enough cash back from bank of america to take their act to the next level...
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we mentioned at the top of the hour that a woman on death row first to be executed in 70 years. she's been denied clemency. what's also making news the fact that we have learned that a letter essentially from the pope begging this georgia parole board to grant her cle mmency a justice and mercy. to rosa flores, who has been covering the pope for us as he's just returned home to rome from the united states. i'm just wondering. i'm sure it's too early to get reaction from the vatican, but how rare is it for a pope to intervene in a situation such as this? >> you know, we have heard pope francis speak about the death penalty, brooke, less than a week ago. he was before a joint session of congress calling for the end of the death penalty. he's very passionate about this. so it wouldn't surprise some people that this call is coming
straight from him. but despite that call, the news we have at this hour is that that request of clemency was denied. it was signed by archbishop of atlanta asking the georgia board of pardon and parole for clemency. now let me read this. he said i am convinced that this way is the best way. this is him speaking about the end of the death penalty. since every life is sacred, every human person is endowed with dignity and society can only benefit from the
rehabilitation of those convicted of crimes. pope francis went on to say that, yes, people are punished for certain crimes, but you have to give people hope. there has to be a rehabilitation part of that process. here's the back story. this this this woman was convicted of murder in 1997 for killing her husband inclusion with her lover. her advocates saying she has changed. she's rehabilitated her life. she's been an example for other women in prison and calling for her life to be saved. now pope francis is not the only one asking for clemency here. more than 90,000 people have signed a petition asking for clemency and asking for her life to be spared. the georgia board going forward with their decision and deciding to end her life. >> at 7:00 p.m. eastern tonight in georgia. rosa flores, live in rome, thank
you. a dramatic and emotionally charged hearing on capitol hill today. the president of planned parenthood grilled by lawmakers. cecil richards testifying in hearings in videos that show workers discussing the sale of fetal issue it tissue. the videos outraging republicans so much so they are threatening to shut down the federal government in an effort to cut the federal funding. here she was speaking for the first time in front of lawmakers. >> the outrageous based on heavily doctored videos are offensive and categorically untrue. it is unacceptable that in the 21st century women in america are routinely harassed for accessing a legal medical procedure. >> does planned parenthood control any organizations that lobby? >> the planned parenthood action
fund is a separate organization that has its own board and is its own fundraising. >> shared lists, shared e-mails, shared assets. this is the concern. >> why do you need federal dollars? you're making a ton of dough. >> we don't make any profit off of federal money. if i could just have a moment to explain. >> but you're using federal funds and placing money that could go to the 13,000 health care clinics. >> i do think it's really important that you understand that 60% of our patients are receiving either medicaid patients or may be title x patients. 78% patients live at 150% of poverty or below. and for many of them, planned parenthood is the only family planning provider that will see them in their area. >> do you defend the sale of baby body parts? >> no.
and i think that is really a total mischaracterization. >> your compensation in 2009 was $353,000. is that correct? >> i don't have the figures with me. >> it was, congratulations. in 2013, your compensation went up some $240,000. your compensation we're showing in tax returns is $590,000. >> that's not my annual compensation. my annual compensation is $520,000 a year. >> the entire time i've been in congress i've never seen a witness beaten up and questioned about their salary. ms. richards heads a distinguished organization providing health care services to millions of americans, and i find it totally inappropriate and discriminatory. >> that was just a sliver of the
exchange. tom foreman is with me from washington. tom, how long did that go on? >> reporter: forever and it's still going on. it really went on for a long time. this is not an easy day in the chair for richards because it started early. i have to say the question of the videos honestly after awhile wasn't even coming up much. what you were hearing is more this generalized debate where the thoom of the republican side was, hey, this is public money that is being used by this agency to lobby for its position, to pay for parties, to pay for big salaries, all of this. this is just a bad use of public money and you're not being very transparent about it. the other side democrats saying this is a perfectly legitimate use because it's a legal thing under our law and you're being completely unfair to her about it it. if you didn't tune in until after the first hour, you might not even know videos were
involved. >> because it didn't come up as perhaps one would have thought. tom, thank you so much. still ahead here, time is ticking for the vice president joe biden to decide if he wants to run for president of the united states. should he, shouldn't he, we have both perspectives ahead. also bill clinton comes to his wife's defense. erin burnett joins me, coming up next. take zzzquil and sleep like... the kids went to nana's house... for the whole weekend.
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this is cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. donald trump holds no punches. when erin burnett asked about the clintons, he held true to form and now we're getting the clintons take. erin burnett sat with donald trump one day, bill clinton the next and so what did he tell you? >> it was interesting. we were talking about the 2016 race. he weighed in on his own role in the campaign, whether he wanted to be vp. we're talking about republicans then. and we were talking about how they call each other clowns and freak shows. so i said on this point, is this going to stop? is this going to be the tone? here's what he said to that. >> you shouldn't be able to
insult your way to the white house. or use enough politically incorrect phrases to get your way to the white house on either side. it's the feel i hope it will be more serious. the american people deserve some sense of what the health care you're going to do if you get the job. because the day after you take the oath of office, you can't level an insult or you're not in an episode of "survivor." you're supposed to show up and run the show. >> and then we specifically talked about donald trump. donald trump, yesterday, when i talked to him had really harsh words for secretary clinton. so i played that back for bill clinton and he defended his wife pret stridently. here's how that whole exchange played out. >> you say you can't insult your way to the white house. you say donald trump could be the nominee. so i have to play this for you.
this is something he said in the interview about your wife and i want to play it for you and get your reaction. here's donald trump in my interview yesterday. >> i always respected him. i actually liked him over the years. but when we look at what's going on in the world, when we look at the ljob that hillary did as secretary of state, she goes down as perhaps the worst secretary of state in history. when i run against her evenly in the polls, i'm doing well against hillary and beating her. if you look throughout the world during her reign and the reign of obama, the whole world is blowing up. we have lost friendships and everything. >> the thing about branding is you don't have to be -- you can be fact free. [ applause ] even the republicans admit that the sanctions on iran were well done and that it was a major
achievement to get russia and china to agree to sign off on these sanctions and to enforce them. she did that. that's what made the talks possible. so even to people who don't like the iran deal like the sanctions. >> he didn't fully take the bait. >> he defended her as opposed to insulting donald. what was interesting is he had positive things to say about donald trump. he thinks he could be the nomin nominee. . he keeps making that clear. he talked about the things he thinks are resinating. the master brander as he sees him, his energy. so it was interesting that he chose not to level an insult but to defend her. he did go on and you'll hear this tonight to talk about well, when i was at his wedding he told me many, many times how wonderful a job hillary did after 9/11 as senator in new york. so he made that point very clear that donald was a fair weather friend. >> the polls just came out last
night, you look at hypotheticals. the only one she does do well against is against donald trump. so if i'm bill clinton, i'm hoping it's donald trump. erin burnett, thank you so much. 7:00 eastern here on cnn. when it come s s to the democrat side of the presidential race here, the biggest question right now is will vice president joe biden throw his hat in the ring? as you very well know by now, biden and his family have been mourning the loss of their son beau. he said how that grief really weighs so heavily on him. americans would still like to see him run for president on that side. let me bring in julian. gentlemen, welcome to you both. it's fascinating to read both of
your arguments. so julian, up to you first. you recognize in your piece, you say, listen, temptation is strong to run, but you argue that joe biden should not. give me your number one reason why not. >> yeah, i think for the democratic party it would be harmful. biden and clinton would be competing for similar constituencies unlike bernie sanders and this will dissent grate into an ugly campaign at the time that the democrats need to be shoring up. a candidate who i still feel is stronger than many people are acknowledging, meaning hillary clinton. >> dana, tell the professor why he's wrong. >> i'm reluck tant to tell a professor he's wrong. i might get schooled. but, look, as a general rule, i think that competition is good in these things. i suspect if joe biden were to enter the race i'm still skeptical he would, i don't
think he would beat hillary clinton, but i think e he would make her stronger. you have to look at what's happening in the absence of a real race. bernie sanders is making it interesting, but few people think he could be the nominee. what's happening in the absence of all this is we're talking about hillary clinton's e-mail problems and other issues. she is much stronger when she's out there fighting against somebody else. that's why she keeps trying to run against the republicans. she doesn't have a republican to run against right now. i think the idea of competition would make hillary clinton stronger. there's always the possibility that lightning strikes and then you get a nominee. >> we don't know yet. the spot is potentially open for him at the debate in vegas. you point out how biden could sharpen her, but julian points out how bernie sanders has been good for the dems. breathing some life into the party to deal with crucial issues. do you think trump has been good for republicans in that same
sort of way? >> do i think that? >> julian? >> what i say is that bernie sanders is actually been a good primary challenge. he's been very issue focused and he's also appealed to constituencies who are not particularly enthused within the democratic party right now about their choice. so overall i think it's a good effect. i think donald trump is not good for the republicans. he's fun to watch. he says things that are very interesting, to say the least, but he's creating an image of the republican party that will not do well in the general election, whether he's the candidate or not. so i also think he's just attracting attention from some of the other candidates who could pose a much bigger threat to the democratic party. >> dana, back on the dems, this is a conversation i feel like i have had at dinner recently. the notion with joe biden, this is a man who on the record has
wanted to be president of the united states since '88. he said recently he may not have the emotional fuel, was how he phrased it. if he doesn't run, then he knows he would really ultimately be saying good-bye to a dream of the oval office. if he runs and loses, the question is can he take that kind of loss, especially after mourning the loss of beau. which do you think would be more challenging for the heart to take? >> well, look, it was the only cure for presidential ambition is embalming fluid. so there's a lot going on in joe biden that says if there's even a small sliver of a chance, he has to go for it. so i think he would probably if we're going to put him on the couch and analyze that, probably he would take a loss much more easily than the what ifs of wondering what might have been.
>> we watch and wait, thank you both so much. >> thank you. speaking of the democrats, cnn and facebook will be hosting the very first democratic presidential debate two weeks away from today, tuesday, october 13th, in las vegas. next, she barely escaped the horrors of isis and just the incredible video of her rescue captured the world's attention. one year later, cnn catches up with this teenage girl again. find out what her life is like now. plus porsche facing new legal trouble over the fiery crash that killed actor paul walker. why his teenage daughter says the investigation into the accident was wrong.
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the escape from hell. iraqi families desperately trying to leave the terror of isis. cnn witnessed firsthand one family's escape aboard a military hospitelicopter includn 11-year-old girl dressed in purple. the fear on her face felt around the world. cnn's ivan watson was on that chopper and now one year later he reunites with her. >> reporter: it was a rescue from hell. in the mad dash to climb on board a flight to safety, families scrambled to stay together. these desperate people spent nine days trapped on a barren mountain under siege from militants who chased them from their homes. amid-the chaos and gunfire, terror frozen on the face of a girl in purple.
more than a year later we found her and her family in this refugee camp in iraqi kurdistan. we're going to meet some old friends we encountered in very dramatic circumstances more than a year ago. and they are right up here. she and her older sister are here along with their elder brother, his wife and his three children. their situation now much better than the unfinished construction site where they lived for the first seven months after isis made them flee their homes. the girls tell me they go to school here and they say the camp has started to feel like home. >> you have gotten a little taller since i have teen you.
>> reporter: but it doesn't take long for terrible memories to resurface. >> what's making you sad right now? >> reporter: when i see you, she says, i remember what happened. >> translator: we saw isis with our own eyes, how they were c capturing people. if we drove down the wrong road that day, we would have ended up in isis hands, but we took a different road and made it to the mountain. >> reporter: in the year since their narrow escape, their father's health has deteriorated and he can no longer walk. no one knows what happened to two elder brothers who were captured by isis last year and haven't been heard from since. and another brother, a 23-year-old, smuggled himself to europe on the migrant trail taken by so many other people fleeing the middle east. >> how are you?
where are you? germany. >> reporter: i asked him if he misses iraq. >> translator: no, that's gone, iraq is gone for me. i lost it. i want to build a new future for myself. there's no future in iraq. >> reporter: that hopelessness shared by so many people we talked to in refugee camps in northern iraq. where people like this family still struggle to deal with the trauma they endure d. i just want to start a new life, he says. and you want my family to stay safe and to stay together. one of the few times the 15-year-old really smiles is when i ask her what she'd like to do to the men from isis who attacked her family. i would stomp on their heads and kill them, she says. this girl may have escaped to
live another day, but her innocence has been forever lost. >> ivan watson, my goodness. i can't believe it was a year ago that the world was watching you on that helicopter with that family and that little girl. to think it was a year ago and still in your presence weeping, it's all still so raw. >> it just goes to show how the lingering effects that a conflict can have. here we have seen a family that's been devastated. they are the lucky ones. they escaped alive. there were more than 5,000 members of this ethnic and religious minority who were taken hostage by isis who did not escape and many of the women who were taken were essentially used as sex slaves and there are still thousands of these women
in isis's hands and being bought and sold as modern day slaves on top of that the kurdish authorities say 3,000 men and boys were executed by isis. that's part of why this flood of humanity was fleeing in the first place. >> please keep shining a light and telling these stories as you do so beautifully. ivan watson, thank you. next, paul walker's daughter sues porsche. why she says design flaws are to blame for the actor's death and not how fast the car was traveling.
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the daughter of actor paul walker is suing over her father's untimely death. walker tied two year ago now in that fiery crash in california. he was in, riding in his 2005 porsche gt that spun out of control and slammed into a pole. behind the wheel, driving team partner and friend. investigators say it was the speed that caused the crash. walker's 16-year-old daughter is suing porsche for wrongful death she claimed it skimped on safety features. meadow walker's attorney called the career a dangerous car that does not belong on the street. does she have a case? joining me, mark geragos, attorney representing the window of the driver, roger rodas, sunny hostin and peter valdez who covers the auto beat.
welcome. mark, you first, since you're directly involved here. the porsche representative, they responded saying case established the tragic crash resulted from reckless driving and excessive speed. why does meadowwalker believe otherwise? >> first, porsche was out here trying to co-op the sheriff's department on the speed. they already filed motions to dismiss, which they've lost. and the judge found there's more than enough to show that there's to go to a jury is to the three separate areas where porsche had a design defect with that car. this car was a ticking time bomb, unfortunately exploded. never should have been on the street. frankly, it's ironic paul walker's lawsuit comes a week on the heels of volkswagen, the parent company of porsche, admitting that they've kind of ginned up phony tests, engaged
in a criminal conspiracy. this is a corporation that has a history and now is going to have a future, of battling these things out in court. >> peter, weigh in on that. someone who covers automotive industry what mark was saying, and also this, you know, saying that the suit says, the doors on the porsche used side door reinforcement bars, weaker than strength what is used in popular mass market cars, you know, can you put all of that in perspective? explain that. >> sure. this was an extreme performance car, over 600 horsepower, real emphasis on lightweight. i'm not going to claim to know the specific engineering of the doors, i'll take their word on that, wouldn't be hard to believe they want to save weight there one of the big questions, this car, true, it had a reputation for being difficult to control. it was a car known -- i've driven it, known a number of people who have driven carrara
gts, better driver than i am, said it was a scar q. car to drive in terms of control. one big question, why didn't it have electronic stability control? other cars did, other porsches did. not saying porsche is in the wrong but there are ledgitimate questions that could be asked. >> sunny, your perspective? >> if anyone can went a case, it's mark geragos, right? they can take an unwinnable case and win it. bottom line, in order to prove that porsche is responsible for paul walker's death, and let's face it, this was a beautiful, young, vibrant, talented young man, and that is -- his death is certainly a tragedy, but the plaintiffs would have to prove that the car caused his death. and we know that someone else was driving the car. we know that he was driving the car 80 to 93 miles per hour, brooke, in i 45 mile per hour lane.
that tells me, at the very least the driver, who was an experienced race car driver, has -- bears, rather, some blame in this, in order to prove that the porsche was to blame, you've got to almost prove that porsche and the car was 100% to blame. i think that's going to be quite frankly, re, very difficult because if you're going 93 miles per hour, in a 45 mile per hour lane, you're negligent. >> mark, jump, in, respond to that. >> we've got experts who already have been out there, who were out there actually at the time in real-time who have said there's no way that they were going 93 miles an hour, that it was most probably comes in at 55 to 71 miles per hour. the fact that roger was an experienced driver, i think cuts against porsche, and there was a massive, massive failure in two spots on this car. we -- and the experts have seen. and by the way, we hired some of
the foremost automotive experts in the world to take a look at this. they gave their report and their report is attached to the chp report, and they come to the same conclusion we have, which is basically i there was a catastrophic failure on behalf of the porsche as a result of the design defect. >> we'll follow the suit for sure. thank you all so much. it is a tragic loss of life on two accounts there in california from two years ago. thank you all so much. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. quick commercial break. on the other side, "the lead" with jake tapper. before earning enough cash back from bank of america to take their act to the next level... before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time... 2% back at the grocery store... and 3% back on gas... vince of the flying branzinos got a bankamericard cash rewards credit card, because he may earn his living jumping through hoops,
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