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inventer of 24/7 cable news. i was proud to be there as my former boss accepted the award saying he enjoyed every minute creating and running cnn. congratulations, ted. "erin burnett out front" starts right now. >> tonight, a special edition of "erin burnett out front." president bill clinton on hillary. >> i think see looks great and did a great job. >> what he thinks about donald trump's attacks on his wife. >> you shouldn't be able to insult your way to the white house. >> plus clinton and a long-time friend talk about living forever. >> you couldn't pick a better subject that we want to live a long time. >> that's all ahead on a very special edition of "out front." good evening.
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welcome to a special edition of "erin burnett out front with president bill clinton this is his organization dedicated to solving global problems. it's 10 years old. what is next for cgi and president clinton has his wife runs for the white house? please welcome president bill clinton. this is all coming on the heart of the 2016 election. we are right in it right now. so let me just ask you because the other day you said it was possible donald trump could win the nomination. which republican do you think will win the nomination? >> let me first of all say this is my life now. i last ran for office -- >> this is your way of saying you don't want to be vp? >> yeah. i also think it violates the spirit of the 22nd amendment.
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even if hillary did not run for president, someone else was nominated, i still shouldn't be vice president because i think it violates the spirit of the 22nd amendment which clearly limits any individual to two terms. you don't want the person who is first in line for the presidency to be somebody who can't serve because then, like consider what that would mean here. means you would have, let's say if the democrats win the white house, then the next person really in line to be president would be the republican speaker of the house which would undermine the intent of the government, the public and the election. it's a nice thing to talk about, but it's not going to happen and it shouldn't. >> now who is going to be the republican nominee? >> the reason i said that is, i honestly don't know. i don't think they know yet. because if you look at it, i
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didn't see mr. trump's interview with you, but i read about it. they are basically still stalking around trying to prove they're bona fide, as you know, who hates the democrats the most, who can blame president obama for every bad thing that happened anywhere in the world. somebody caught a cold in bali yesterday, i told you we had no leadership. that kind of stuff. and two of them have dropped out, but we still haven't had any really serious discussion. we've been through five hours of debates and i watched it all, but we had many serious discussions, well if you were there, what would you actually do about this? i think, i don't know. i was asked if i thought he had a chance to win and i do. one of the things in a crowded field you have to do is stand out. you have to be able to brand yourself. i've got to be able to be identified. but at some point you also have
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to say, what are you going to do? you can't spend all your time saying everything everybody else did was wrong. and they are all dufusses. you can't say that. >> on the dufuss issue. marco rubio called donald trump's campaign a freak show. he called marco rubio a clown. it goes on and on. what do you make of a race where the kinds of words being bandied about and discussed? >> i think they believe that authenticity is created by making your campaign look as much leak a reality tv show as possible. i really do. so they think that real voters have a limited bandwidth for policy. they think that everybody they are talking to would never consider voting for a democrat because they had him hooked up
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to siloed news coverage so they get very limited alternative views. it's a little bit of a problem on our side, too. it's very hard to create space for an honest debate. it's just a reflection. you see this in a lot of other countries, too. you can't and you shouldn't be able to insult your way to the white house. or using enough politically correct phrases to get your way to the white house on either side we live in a challenging time. i personally think the main jobs are to restore broad-based prosperity instead of narrow prosperity now that we're growing the economy. and particularly to help families succeed in raising their kids and working and getting more women back in the work force. we've fallen from first in the world to like 20th or something.
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we've got to create more jobs for young people. these are serious things, but i have a lot of sympathy about people who sit in your chair moderating these presidential debates. you don't want to deny anybody a chance to be heard and seen on the republican side. we've had two withdrawals and there will be more in the coming weeks. i think as the field whittles down, i hope it will get more serious. the american people deserve some sense of what the heck you going to do if you actually get the job? because the day after you take the oath of office -- >> it's yours. >> you can't level an insult or you're not in an episode of "survivor." you're supposed to show up and run the show. >> you say you can't insult your way to the white house. you say donald trump could be the nominee. i have to play this for you. this is something he said in the interview yesterday about your wife and i want to play it for you and get your reaction. here is donald trump in my
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interview yesterday. >> i always respected him. i actually liked him over the years, but when we look at what's going on in the world, when we look at the job that hillary did as secretary of state, she goes down as perhaps the worst secretary of state in history, and when i run against her evenly in the polls, i'm doing well against hillary and beating her. erin, if you look throughout the world during her reign and the reign of obama, the whole world is blowing up. we lost our friendships, we lost everything. >> well, be the thing about branding is you can be fact-free. [ applause ] so even the republicans admit that the sanctions on yank were well done and that it was a major achievement to get russia and china to agree to sign off on these sanctions and to enforce them. she did that.
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that's what made the talks possible. so even the people that don't like the iran deal like the sanctions. selke thing she did is to negotiate with her team at the state department. the only thing that survived in the russian reset, the new start treaty. in a world with all these tensions which you noted between the u.s. and russia, having these two sides still committed to reducing the number of nuclear war heads and missiles, i think is a good thing. that's two. something i work on, aids, around the world. president bush's pepfar program was saving 1.7 million lives with aids medicine when she took office, when she left, 5.1 million. she tripled it without spending one more dollar of tack money. simply by going to the kind of medicines we routinely buy. those 3.4 million people live in countries that kind of like america. >> donald trump is dead wrong?
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>> when she left, these are all facts. they are not common to the diatribe here. when she left office, the average approval rating of the united states was more than 20 points higher than it was when she came into office. i don't think that's nothing. i could give you eight other examples. i would be happy to have this debate. there will be somebody on the other side of the debate, if he becomes the nominee, he'll have to sort of hone his criticisms a little more finely because the facts will be easier to marshall. the people he is telling it to now have only heard that story so they believe it and it's probably good politics for him. let me tell you this, he asked her to come to his wedding when he found out we would be in florida. i don't know how many times he
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told me what a wonderful job she did for new york as a senator after 9/11. >> you infamously did attend that wedding. >> we did it was perfectly nice. i'm glad we did, but he also told me on more than one occasion what a good job she did in the senate for new york after 9/11. heck, it's a crazy season. they've got to win on the field, win on the issues and get to it a number of people that the voters can really effectively compare on their side and see what happens. >> voters are recently asked by quinnipiac to say the first word they thought of when they thought of her. branding is one of the challenges she is facing. the top three words were, liar, dishonest and untrustworthy. why is that? >> oh, come on, erin. i've answered these questions for three days. i'm not here to practice
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politics. if i were sitting in your chair and you were sitting here and you wanted to run for office, and i had four, five months to make sure nothing but the opposition's negative claims on you were run, and i presume your guilt with every question, and i beat up on you, could you run your favorables down? i trust the american people. they are innately fair. they have to have more disclosure. she wants her e-mails released, the state department and the intelligence agencies are arguing about whether any of them should be retro actively classified. that will play out however it does. she's the only secretary of state in history that ever said just release them all, all my work-related e-mails. so far, as i said, you get the
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record out, i think she looks great. i think she did a great job. i think she's been doing a good job answering these questions now. i saw a poll today in the newspaper saying she was going well up again among people who don't get siloed news coverage. that is among democrats and independents that are open to voting for democrat. i'm just not worried about this. she's got to run that campaign, answer the questions and get back to the big issues of the election. what should the american president do to keep big bad things from happening and make more good things happen in the world? what should the american president do to help us have broad-based prosperity and help people succeed raising kids and work and get more women back in the work force. that's what i think it will be about. i've been through this whole ordeal. i'm not worried about it. >> one final question. she was asked the other day
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about your marriage. she said, i was terrified about losing my identity and getting lost in the wake of bill's force of nature personality. i actually turned him down twice when he asked me to marry him. >> that's true. >> making sure the facts are accurate here. the question is how much of a force will you be in this campaign. you're out here today. i will say you just gave the most succinct and clear defense of her secretary of state tenureship that i heard. [ applause ] >> first of all, it is true that i have done markedly less to this point than i did eight years ago when she ran. eight years ago i did a lot by now of what i've only done two things. i did some of the fund-raising events so she would be free to go out and campaign, but i couldn't do more because this
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year we had foundation trips to africa and still one to finish to latin america. it's the 20th anniversary of a lot of things that i was involved in. normalization of relations with vietnam. the peace in bosnia. the irish cease-fire that began the irish peace process. the 20th anniversary of assad rubin's death after he had the biggest handover of land to the palestinian west bank they still govern on today. my foundation life was full. so now when this is behind us, i'll be able to do more of that. it's not to raise my profile. it gives me a chance to talk to her supporters and tell them what i think they should know and answer their questions and frees her up to campaign more.
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i have no idea what else i'll do. i'll do what i was asked to do. she was great. you've got to take care of the foundation first. it's your life. you built it over 15 years. whatever you can do when you can do it, i'll be grateful. we mapped out the year and said let's wait and i'll do the best i can. next, much more with president clinton and why he thinks president obama needs putin beat isis. >> i still think it's possible to maybe reach an agreement with him. >> later, president clinton joined by his long-time friend. a world renowned scientist responsible for this discovery. >> when i told hillary this, she wasn't surprised. ♪
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and we are back now with former president bill clinton with the clinton global initiative in new york. officially cgi is this week, the u.n. is this week, the pope was here. pretty overwhelming. >> he had a great visit. did he a wonderful job, i thought, in washington, new york and philadelphia. it was a great thing for roman catholics throughout the world and especially in america. but also, i liked it because i went to georgetown which is the oldest jesuit university in america and he is the first jesuit pope, but i liked it because he was inclusive. you could have a fairly wide range of political views and
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still identify with his call to not forget the people who are the most unfortunate among us, and the fact we had to find a way to move forward together. it was very moving to me. >> it truly was. russian president vladimir putin, barack obama at the u. in. they met. they hadn't met in a couple of years but met at the u. in. they're deciding what happens with isis and syria. when they met, they gave, both gave dueling speeches. they were critical of each other, confrontational, their handshake was icy. how worried are you about how bad their relationship is? >> well, only a little bit about that. what i worry about is that putin intentionally changed the direction of russian foreign policy in general, and decided
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to go all in on defining russian greatness in the 21st century in terms of their ability to control their neighbors and to have an influence in the middle east, at loose. that depends upon, at least to this point, they're increasing their influence at the expense of united states and europe. that ignores what i think should be the priority which is using their influence visa vie europe to build a cooperative relationship. if they thought of ukraine as a bridge between europe and russia, everybody would win. if they thought of how we could all help to stabilize the middle east, everybody would win, but -- and that's the real problem, but i still think it's possible to maybe reach an
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agreement with him. he wants president assad to stay in power. because that keeps russia's position in the middle east stronger. >> why is that a bad idea though? >> a lot of people believe if you look at his father's success, there was a lot of violence in the beginning, then he developed this sort of inclusive authoritarianism. there were more women in government in syria than most countries in the region. there was a place for all the various minority religions and sects there it seems clear the syrian people would like a more representative government. here's the deal. the number one priority now is to get hold of this isil threat.
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they say they want to redraw all the national boundaries of the middle east that were drawn after world war i. what i think the president and president putin are trying to do is to find some way to see if they can have a time-out without either one of them giving way to getting their convictions away and their position away so that we can join forces in fighting th this. i think now nobody else has an interest in isil breaking the cookie jar in the region and killing all the innocent people. i think they are trying to find a way to work together without acknowledging any change in their long-term position on the future of the assad government. that's way think is going on. and i think for all we know, they made more agreements than they led on.
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welcome back to a special edition of "erin burnett out front" with president bill clinton. the president is with me and joined by biologist craig venter. he was on stage in the east room of the white house celebrating the completion of the first survey of the entire human
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genome. he started a company that help us live longer and happier lives. welcome to you. you use the words wondrous. >> i've known him and been fascinated by him more than 30 years. >> i guess, let me go straight to you with the question. we have a man signature here lots of people are watching, big fans of yours, people want you to live a long time. still a very young ex-president. >> you couldn't pitch a better subject that we want to live a long time. i think he is the most important historic figure that's alive today. we would like to keep him around as long as we can. he's had good preventive medicine. he had cardiac bypass. look how much slimmer he is from those photos in the white house 15 years ago. >> i was pretty chunky, wasn't i? >> let's not talk about chunky
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right now. i haven't picked up your diet yet. i need to. preventive medicine is the future. it's going to be based on what we announced together 15 years ago. this next ten years is going to be the most exciting in the history of biology and medicine because what we did ten years ago that, cost my team $100 million for that first map. today we can sequence a human genome for roughly $1,000. that is a big change. his genome is unique, but all of ours are. there is this 3% difference. we got an honorary degree together a few years back. he was the speaker. he said he learned from me that he was 4% neanderthal and that explained all the problems he had in the white house.
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>> it is true, you know. every human on earth whose ancestors do not come 100% from subsahara africa have a genome 4% neanderthal. hillary wasn't surprised. they were astonished to find out they were part neanderthal, too. >> they are positive traits which is why they lasted. they were part of your success in the white house. >> they were bigger and stronger than we were. >> would you want to know? when you get there and you can sequence the gene and you know all kinds of things, personality traits, you know whether you are going to get alzheimer's, you know things like that. the question is, would you want to know? >> knowledge is power. i can give you a very personal
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example. being the first one in history to have his genome sequenced, i found out early on i had a high risk for melanoma. i'm in the 90 percentile. surfing and being in the sun, i'm probably in the 100%. i had a small melanoma on my back and removed it. had i ignored it even six months, we might not have that conversation today. knowledge about yourself and what is unique to you gives each of us personal power, potentially, over our future. that's key. >> so many incredible things it can do. president clinton, the pope we were talking about the pope earlier when he was here in congress he talked about the golden rule. one of the things he said was the golden rule reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human lived a every
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stage of its development. the human genome project helped us learn about chromosomes that could cost things like down's syndrome. people can get that information very early on. you can choose to abort the baby and a lot of people do. what do you think about that? >> first of all, i met a lot of young children and not so young children with down's send roam. they are loving and loveable, life-enriching people mostly. the ones i met i've been enchanted by. but it's a decision, i think, that every family has to make. and a harder one, i think, than one of the things that has been
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thrown into high release by this recent debate about i see in the republican presidential primary when i met three pro-life women who had, decided to terminate their pregnancies early because they had severely hydro savalic children and were told the children would die for certain during childhood or immediately after. if they didn't terminate the pregnancy, by shrinking the size of the head they might give up the opportunity to have more children. these are questions we may confront. i hope there will be some way to avoid that awful choice. you can argue, and these women all decided, one was a roman catholic, one was an orthodox
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jew, one was a christian evangelical. they decided the pro-life decision was to preserve their ability to have children with a reasonable chance to live. that's one of the reasons we created a space in our law to let women and their families and their doctors make this decision. these are excrutiatingly difficult choices. my choice might not be yours. >> sounds like you're saying you are going to get so much more information that maybe it would be tragic to abort a down's syndrome baby, but where do you draw the line? >> in 20 years from now we may make totally different decisions because we have practically different outcomes we can choose. that's one of the reasons why i think we have to keep investing in this and push the frontier. i agree knowledge is power. it's scary, but you know -- i think one of the things that
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will happen with human genome is that we will be able to develop much more specific and granular knowledge about what diets are necessary to lengthen our lives and preserve our health, particularly against heart attack and stroke, as well as certain kinds of cancers. >> also alzheimer's. >> yep. >> next, what's ahead for president clinton. >> anybody who knows me knows that i am subject to serial excitement. things we build and it'sit doesn't even fly.zing we build it in classrooms and exhibit halls,
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i'm back with president bill clinton and craig venter. we talk about the difficult choice of abortion. there are also people in china this year when they were able to mess, for a lack of a better word, mess with a gene. as this goes ahead and you're
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thinking on the moral frontiers you might say do i want a baby with blue eyes or green eyes, but i want somebody with this personality traitor be that way. that power could be in our hands though, right? >> it is in our hands today because -- except we don't know the genetics of different personality traits yet. >> it's terrifying though. >> i find it extremely exciting. that depends on how you use the information. right now from preimplantation testing, it's been used, you can select a cell. we can do the genome sequence on a cell and find a cell lacking mutation for a debilitating disease that will kill a child in its first ten years of life. by selecting the right cell from knowing the genetic code, you can prevent having to make the decision about whether to have an abortion or not. it's inevitable that we will go in this direction. i'm hoping we will wait till we get more knowledge and wisdom to
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do it a little bit more intelligently. >> and something i think will happen a little sooner. you have a lot of -- because of the practice now of studying people with cancer and trying to stop people from dying prematurely even if the cancer is addressed in later stages or rapidly growing by analyzing the genome, the tumor, we know every one of us has about 10,000 cancerous cells every day that our bodies just destroy. there are a lot of genome researchers who believe that we should basically be able to kill all these tumors the way our body disposes of others by attacking them with killer cells. so on balance, this stuff is going to be way good for us. at the margins, there will be continuing moral, ethical,
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practical questions to be resolve resolved, and matching yourer in landscape to our outer reality will be a different kettle of fish 20 years from now than it is today, but that's always been part of the burden and the joy of being human, trying to decide what is the right thing to do in complicated circumstances. we shouldn't make it the enemy. this is going to be way good. i mean it's going to be really, really good. >> if you have cancer, there is nothing more important you can know than the genetic code of yourself and your tumor, knowing a good oncologist is important, as well. only about 3% of cancer patients in the u.s. have this information right now. >> so you have ten years of cgi. health has been a big part of it. vaccines. i was with you in africa once
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when you were doing health projects. i know you want your wife to win. she says she respect you doing this, the foundation, cgi is your passion. is it going to keep being your passion? what are you most excited about? this year we talk about future impact. what are you most excited about? >> anybody who knows me knows that i am subject to serial excitement. >> that is genetically predictable. >> i'm about to go to latin america. i'm excited by the fact when i started this work there was a huge amount of interest and crying need in africa, particularly on the health care side. there still is, but africa's got
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six of the fastest growing economies in the world. we are literally going to be in position to work ourselves out of a job in a lot of parts of africa in the next few years. latin america which used to be the most unequal section of the world has people with money who are really getting interested in trying to build a more broadly shared quality of life. so i'm going to start a trip to central and south america where we're essentially trying to do two things. we're trying to help countries become as energy-independent as possible in a way that maximizes their climate change impact, and we're going to begin in panama where the man sitting right behind you has built the first 215 megawatts of massive wind facility that's going to provide, make panama city one of the cleanest energy cities on earth. so we're going to do that.
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our other major prospect there is called the clinton enterprise partnership which carlos slim is a big partner. we distribute consumer goods to poor women who never earned a regular income in their lives in remote indian villages. i'm excited about that. i'm excited about the promise. oil prices are down and brazil is having the trouble it's having. on the learn run, latin america is a great bet for the future. ten years from now, you won't recognize either one in a good way. >> thank you both so much. >> thank you. >> when we return first president of facebook. we'll be back. plaque psoriasis...
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. welcome back to this special edition of erin burnett "outfront." i'm joined by edward norton, a three-time academy award winner, most notably for bird man, credited here with sequencing the first draft of the human genome, and co-founder of the file service napster. his foundation, the parker foundation has as its mission to quote aggressively push systemic change in three areas, life-style, public health and civic engagement. thank you very much for all of you. the university of michigan did a study a few years ago on what the web is doing to young people
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and the concept of social networking, right? but they found that their counter parts were most notably socially conscious because you can live a world on line and as a result you are not interacting with a human being, not touching them. it actually takes away from a connection. do you think that there is anything to that? >> i think the expectation that one would have in talking to me since i've been involved in so many social media project since before there was the term as social media is that i look at these things as entirely positive. i don't think that any technology is entirely positive or negative in its impact. and i think the end results is that these platforms are very good, maybe too good, at actually consuming your time and making you feel slightly connected to a lot of people but not very intimately connected to anyone.
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the trouble is that culture has not yet developed the immune system, that immune reaction that we have culturally that we have has not caught up to these platforms. so i think eventually, you see it with younger kids that are growing up with these mediums, i think they're beginning to self-regulate a little bit more. i'm not sure if that is great for my ownership in facebook, but probably it's a good thing for ciety. >> this is not a new question, you know, our parents' generation was worried about the same effect on television. so television came up and was totally a disruptive medium. so they were completely afraid of a generation of zombie-like children sitting in front of the television box, which i guess did happen. >> i think people raised a flag of concern every time there is a new form of social absorb ion,
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or something like that and it's legitimate. people who ten years ago wanted to write off the whole idea of social networking or something like facebook as white noise, a waste of time, all of these kind of things. that that would have been really premature, because the speed with which the social networking space has matured and evolved and linked in would not have existed if facebook had not existed. >> when you look at crowd rise, what do you see? >> one thing you see, like crowd rise, what sean is doing with causes and political engagement, and by causes i mean their platform that they had -- is that people you know, you see american corporations and american foundations making a lot of effort to kind of select causes and then get people to engae engage with it.
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and one thing we say to a lot of companies is that people don't actually need a lot of coaching finding a cause to be passionate about. most people have something that has touched them in one way or another. most people have two or three things that they're actually fairly passionate about. they don't really need identification of what they need to care about. they need mechanisms to act through, and i think that is one of the really gratifying things that we see is that people -- people in the united states and all over the world are actually very passionate and they're looking for -- they're looking for easier and more effective ways to engage within it. >> all right, well, thank you very much to after you, ed norton, craig venture, you can see more on my international panel this weekend.
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good evening, tonight, the man who has been called boyfriend and foe alike the best campaigner in modern memory weighs in on the other clinton in her campaign, bill clinton, known before as the big dog, speaking to erin earlier about his wife's presidential run and calling her poll-worthiness into question. and yes, the big dog showed he could still bark. >> oh, come on, i've answered these questions for three days and i'm not here to practice politics. if i were sitting in your chair and you were sitting here and you wanted to run for office and i had four or five months to make sure nothing but the opposition's negative claims on you were


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